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Off-topic / Re: Profile Visitors
« on March 31st, 2011, 12:28 PM »
Yeah.
Here are the mods used in Wedge.org, from the package page:
1. Profile Visitors 4.1
2. Who Voted What? 1.1.2
3. SimpleDesk - Integrated Helpdesk for Simple Machines Forum 1.0 Felidae (modified for bug tracker behavior)
4. Simplified Spoiler Tag 1.0
5. JPG Thumbnails 2.0
6. Trim Url 1.0.2
7. Merge Double Posts 1.1 (heavily modified)
8. Aeva ~ Auto-Embed Video & Audio 5.x (well, it's a package DB leftover. Obviously it's no longer in the code.)
9. Google Member Map 0.1 (seriously modified)
10. Pretty URLs - Base 0.8 for SMF 2.0 (heavily modified)
11. GoogleTagged 1.2
12. Avatar on Member List 1.1
13. Wysiwyg Quick Reply RC2 RC2 (Do I have this, really??)
14. Ultimate Profile 0.8 (HEAVILY modified)
15. Drafts 1.2
16. SMF Project Tools 0.5 (probably removed manually)
17. E-Arcade 2.5.0 (disabled)
18. SMF Media Gallery 1.0.1 (replaced manually with AeMe over time... Obviously!)
19. Fix Message Empty Error For Embed Video Mods 1.0 (lol.)
Here are the mods used in Wedge.org, from the package page:
1. Profile Visitors 4.1
2. Who Voted What? 1.1.2
3. SimpleDesk - Integrated Helpdesk for Simple Machines Forum 1.0 Felidae (modified for bug tracker behavior)
4. Simplified Spoiler Tag 1.0
5. JPG Thumbnails 2.0
6. Trim Url 1.0.2
7. Merge Double Posts 1.1 (heavily modified)
8. Aeva ~ Auto-Embed Video & Audio 5.x (well, it's a package DB leftover. Obviously it's no longer in the code.)
9. Google Member Map 0.1 (seriously modified)
10. Pretty URLs - Base 0.8 for SMF 2.0 (heavily modified)
11. GoogleTagged 1.2
12. Avatar on Member List 1.1
13. Wysiwyg Quick Reply RC2 RC2 (Do I have this, really??)
14. Ultimate Profile 0.8 (HEAVILY modified)
15. Drafts 1.2
16. SMF Project Tools 0.5 (probably removed manually)
17. E-Arcade 2.5.0 (disabled)
18. SMF Media Gallery 1.0.1 (replaced manually with AeMe over time... Obviously!)
19. Fix Message Empty Error For Embed Video Mods 1.0 (lol.)
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Off-topic / Re: iHate Apple
« on March 31st, 2011, 12:20 PM »
I hate Apple... But I like my iPod :whistle:
I think I like Scrabble™ and music more than my iPod, actually.
I would trade my iPod in for anything else with enough space for my music and a Scrabble app.
I think I like Scrabble™ and music more than my iPod, actually.
I would trade my iPod in for anything else with enough space for my music and a Scrabble app.
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on March 31st, 2011, 12:03 PM »I already got a warning for that before with a threat for every one of my posts to be moderated... it's almost worth it actually, to see how long it takes before they either get fed up with moderating my posts (I swear I can keep up posting far more than they can keep up with approving/editing/whatever) and turn it off, or just ban me.
I mean, they got away with post-banning me only because I decided to call it quits at the same time, and I can be a PITA at times indeed. But you? People would *notice* there's a trick :P
Oh, BTW, I just attempted a search on "Wedge" at sm.org and found zero hits... They can't seriously say we're spamming them!!
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Off-topic / Re: Happy Birthday Nao!
« on March 31st, 2011, 11:57 AM »
Thanks guys... Well, I didn't expect anyone to find this topic :niark:
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on March 31st, 2011, 11:54 AM »
As I said... I find it odd that ccbtimewiz would register here, and post precisely in this topic, to say something obscure. If he's not planning to say hello and keep his act together, then he'd better leave now because that's obviously him I was talking about. I try my best at keeping my ideas open about people (which is why I have nothing against Chris being here as long as he acts properly like any newcomer instead of just posting weird messages), but I also expect others to do the same for us. I rest my case.
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on March 31st, 2011, 11:51 AM »Apparently they do not allow links to competitors.Quote Why? Is it too ugly for them?
Also, can we be competitors when we have nothing to offer right now except for dreams...?
What they don't like, is that we're putting our fingers where it hurts: that they have not done much in the time since we left the team.
I'm not blaming them for not working as much as we do -- after all, working on it fulltime was *my* decision and not a sacrifice many people can affort to make. But heck! They have so little to fix before they can go gold!
Oldiesmann.Quote Who asked you to remove it?
I got lots of that packet heat-in-the-microwave popcorn at the ready so it'll be juuuuust right when it's done.
I don't have a problem with rules that are reasonable and fairly enforced. This seems to me to be neither, but they're going to have to do the work to justify it.
Trying to stick their heads in the sand is no solution to THEIR problems. (I know it's a good solution to my real life problems but let's not change subject :niark:)
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on March 31st, 2011, 11:40 AM »
I'm afraid DP is quite dead and there's nothing we can do about it. May I add that we'd rather not have Dream Portal flames around here?
I only moved this topic among others to the public area because I made some mass topic moves and barely read the contents (only checked that it didn't have any private stuff in it.)
Regarding DP, it's bad mojo to us.
Last year, at the suggestion of Arantor, they chose to go BSD.
Then, when we started discussing writing portal features for Wedge, Dream Portal came into it and we decided to look into forking it for Wedge, since it's allowed, and we already had one of the DP developers onboard (and one of its project managers IIRC).
Well, turned out that the Dream Portal project lead(s) was/were adamantly against it... And when you start questioning your very own license, there's a problem with the way you're dealing with your project.
In the end, we just felt this behavior was too childish that it could hurt the quality of the work that its developers put into it. And we decided against using Dream Portal at all.
In the end we'll probably write everything by ourselves. It will take time but that's what we get for playing things fair and square. :P (It's a good thing I wrote AeMe, innit? It would be awful if I couldn't reuse it eheh.)
I only moved this topic among others to the public area because I made some mass topic moves and barely read the contents (only checked that it didn't have any private stuff in it.)
Regarding DP, it's bad mojo to us.
Last year, at the suggestion of Arantor, they chose to go BSD.
Then, when we started discussing writing portal features for Wedge, Dream Portal came into it and we decided to look into forking it for Wedge, since it's allowed, and we already had one of the DP developers onboard (and one of its project managers IIRC).
Well, turned out that the Dream Portal project lead(s) was/were adamantly against it... And when you start questioning your very own license, there's a problem with the way you're dealing with your project.
In the end, we just felt this behavior was too childish that it could hurt the quality of the work that its developers put into it. And we decided against using Dream Portal at all.
In the end we'll probably write everything by ourselves. It will take time but that's what we get for playing things fair and square. :P (It's a good thing I wrote AeMe, innit? It would be awful if I couldn't reuse it eheh.)
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on March 31st, 2011, 11:27 AM »
We knew it would happen...Quote from Arantor on March 31st, 2011, 02:24 AM Why? Is it too ugly for them? :P
Who asked you to remove it?
Anyway...
- As mentioned above, SMF is freeware, so why would they care.
- They're going BSD, so there should be no ego issues.
- We haven't launched a big campaign on their boards. They can't accuse us of being spammers.
- Every single link that has Wedge.org in it is justified -- by the 44.000 times Pete helped someone selflessly on THEIR boards, doing support for THEM.
- They can't say anything about Wedge (because it'll be legal once it's released), or the Wedge.org website (because it's perfectly in line with everything.)
- Last time they banned people for posting links for smf-friends, let's just say that didn't help their popularity at all, and they ended up restoring the accounts. Do they want to go through that AGAIN?
And on a philosophical level --- they should take responsibility for Wedge. They helped create it, they can't hide it. If they had behaved properly with Pete and I last year, we wouldn't have felt compelled to take the project in our own hands. We would be SMF team leaders at this point and taking the right decisions for the software. But because this didn't happen, this is now happening in Wedge. They could avoid this by simply going back in time, breaking the space-time continuum and creating a "what if?" alternative universe where they didn't piss everyone off by acting like jerks with people who actually cared about the software more than they did.
Because time travel is not available in our current dimension (unless I missed its invention during the time we worked on Wedge), all they can do now is take responsibility. That means, accepting that Wedge is here to stay, and not just a passing fad in Nao's and Arantor's minds. We've been in the SMF community for many years, extremely active, and we've done a great job at helping SMF's reputation and success (Pete with SimpleDesk and his incredible amount of support, me with Aeva and SMG / Aeva Media). They should know better: when we have something in mind, we won't rest until it's done. We told them back in August 2010 that we started working on a fork. We reminded them in November that we were still actively working on it. We waited for another 5 months before going public. I don't think anyone in the SMF team could possibly find a *believable* way of complaining about any of our actions. They put themselves into this situation. They can fight back by working really hard on SMF 3.0 and releasing it real soon. Any other way of fighting back would be unfair and disloyal, and would be seen as such by the community.
We're not here to kill SMF. On the contrary, we're here to prevent the SMF team from killing the actual fantastic software that they're sleeping on.Quote Feel free to reuse any of my arguments.Quote "The librarian was, ex officio, a member of the college council. No-one had been able to find any rule about orang-utans being barred, although they had surreptiously looked very hard for one." (Discworld)
I'm sure that's not because they just came up with it! I mean, they knew about Wedge for so long, they probably devised a rule against it in the meantime! They just need to find WHERE they discussed it publicly! (Or quietly move their discussion to the public area! Or edit an old post to add this rule and hide the edit date! I'm too kind, I shouldn't be helping them.)
"If you ignore the rules people will, half the time, quietly rewrite them so that they don't apply to you." (Discworld)
Okay, I'm reading too much Pratchett these days...Quote Who's got the pop-corn?
Apparently, there's a rule that no links to other forum packages - the example given was MyBB - in signatures and would I remove the Wedge image from my sm.org sig.
Who asked you to remove it?
Anyway...
- As mentioned above, SMF is freeware, so why would they care.
- They're going BSD, so there should be no ego issues.
- We haven't launched a big campaign on their boards. They can't accuse us of being spammers.
- Every single link that has Wedge.org in it is justified -- by the 44.000 times Pete helped someone selflessly on THEIR boards, doing support for THEM.
- They can't say anything about Wedge (because it'll be legal once it's released), or the Wedge.org website (because it's perfectly in line with everything.)
- Last time they banned people for posting links for smf-friends, let's just say that didn't help their popularity at all, and they ended up restoring the accounts. Do they want to go through that AGAIN?
And on a philosophical level --- they should take responsibility for Wedge. They helped create it, they can't hide it. If they had behaved properly with Pete and I last year, we wouldn't have felt compelled to take the project in our own hands. We would be SMF team leaders at this point and taking the right decisions for the software. But because this didn't happen, this is now happening in Wedge. They could avoid this by simply going back in time, breaking the space-time continuum and creating a "what if?" alternative universe where they didn't piss everyone off by acting like jerks with people who actually cared about the software more than they did.
Because time travel is not available in our current dimension (unless I missed its invention during the time we worked on Wedge), all they can do now is take responsibility. That means, accepting that Wedge is here to stay, and not just a passing fad in Nao's and Arantor's minds. We've been in the SMF community for many years, extremely active, and we've done a great job at helping SMF's reputation and success (Pete with SimpleDesk and his incredible amount of support, me with Aeva and SMG / Aeva Media). They should know better: when we have something in mind, we won't rest until it's done. We told them back in August 2010 that we started working on a fork. We reminded them in November that we were still actively working on it. We waited for another 5 months before going public. I don't think anyone in the SMF team could possibly find a *believable* way of complaining about any of our actions. They put themselves into this situation. They can fight back by working really hard on SMF 3.0 and releasing it real soon. Any other way of fighting back would be unfair and disloyal, and would be seen as such by the community.
We're not here to kill SMF. On the contrary, we're here to prevent the SMF team from killing the actual fantastic software that they're sleeping on.
I have just replied asking whether it's appropriate for team members to be linking to phpBB forums and will await the reply with interest.
EDIT: Did I mention that I'd never heard of this rule before now?
I'm sure that's not because they just came up with it! I mean, they knew about Wedge for so long, they probably devised a rule against it in the meantime! They just need to find WHERE they discussed it publicly! (Or quietly move their discussion to the public area! Or edit an old post to add this rule and hide the edit date! I'm too kind, I shouldn't be helping them.)
"If you ignore the rules people will, half the time, quietly rewrite them so that they don't apply to you." (Discworld)
Okay, I'm reading too much Pratchett these days...
EDIT 2: Wait until I point out a few things of interest, such as the fact that it violates their Core Values. This is going to be hilarious.
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Off-topic / Re: Hi all!
« on March 31st, 2011, 11:00 AM »I still hope that something will happen today.
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Off-topic / Re: Hi all!
« on March 31st, 2011, 10:57 AM »
(I shouldn't have merged my two posts above... Now I can't split this conversation into a new topic.)Quote from texasman1979 on March 30th, 2011, 09:11 PM There's no magical solution for static pages.
Or you could use Templeet (http://templeet.org), I built Cynagames.com around it back in 2003 or 2004 (even made my own forum using it at the time). Of course I ended up replacing the forum with SMF, because in the end it's too hard to maintain static pages out of dynamic contents. You basically can't store anything personal, or you'd have to cache every single goddamn page for a few seconds -- that would kill the file system for close to no gains.
Obviously, Apache fares better at showing static pages, but it's only useful if you have a very slow server and/or many hits. Otherwise, you might as well use PHP. If you have so many hits that you'd need a server upgrade, you probably should upgrade it really.
As for improving performance in comparison with SMF, yes, Wedge is faster in some areas (apparent speed on page load, no more PHP4/MySQL3 support, optimized markup, and many other things.)
And slower in others, e.g. jQuery or object encapsulation (it's slower by a few percents).
Basically, we're making sure that it's faster where it matters, and that if it has to be slower, it's for the benefit of everyone (e.g. cleaner code. It will be especially apparent in our smcFunc replacement, new BBC system and a powerful CSS preprocessor written from scratch.)Quote Just enable caching in SMF... Level 3 is the highest IIRC. It should cache so many things.Quote Tell that to SMF. As we said multiple times, we can't release a single byte of code to the public without SMF going BSD first.
Perhaps going public was our way of reminding everyone that if we're not releasing yet, it's not for lack of a releasable product.
The only thing i can think of is a static template system or using mysql for non standard caching of pages. Which my forum blocks content is stored html and all for the sole purpose of echoing a record instead of processing a page.
Or you could use Templeet (http://templeet.org), I built Cynagames.com around it back in 2003 or 2004 (even made my own forum using it at the time). Of course I ended up replacing the forum with SMF, because in the end it's too hard to maintain static pages out of dynamic contents. You basically can't store anything personal, or you'd have to cache every single goddamn page for a few seconds -- that would kill the file system for close to no gains.
Obviously, Apache fares better at showing static pages, but it's only useful if you have a very slow server and/or many hits. Otherwise, you might as well use PHP. If you have so many hits that you'd need a server upgrade, you probably should upgrade it really.
As for improving performance in comparison with SMF, yes, Wedge is faster in some areas (apparent speed on page load, no more PHP4/MySQL3 support, optimized markup, and many other things.)
And slower in others, e.g. jQuery or object encapsulation (it's slower by a few percents).
Basically, we're making sure that it's faster where it matters, and that if it has to be slower, it's for the benefit of everyone (e.g. cleaner code. It will be especially apparent in our smcFunc replacement, new BBC system and a powerful CSS preprocessor written from scratch.)
It seems to be very fast, especially when i take out line breaks and other unnecesary characters, and mysql has built in memcaching along with memcached.
Like i say, i have no doubt ill be thuroughly impressed with yalls work. So hurry up with the beta already. :)
Perhaps going public was our way of reminding everyone that if we're not releasing yet, it's not for lack of a releasable product.
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Off-topic / Re: Hi all!
« on March 31st, 2011, 10:43 AM »I could've saved you a load of effort, if you asked me.
Anyway, what's done is done.
I'll need to make a few more in the future but for now I'm happy with just Developer/Friend/Consultant.
Though, now I can finally answer your question you PM'ed me on Runic's forum, about where to place credit about them (so don't think I was ignoring you), a small line in here will suffice.
Further, I look forward to the time where I get to play with Wedge. :P
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on March 31st, 2011, 10:32 AM »
Is that your way of saying "Hello"?
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The Pub / [Archive] Re: Logo Madness
« on March 31st, 2011, 10:31 AM »
Really? Is it that hard to understand? The pun or the actual meaning?
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The Pub / Re: Wedge & SEO
« on March 31st, 2011, 10:28 AM »
Re: images. Dimensions are generally not useful. The only time they'll be useful, is when there are lots of icons and you need to get a proper layout as soon as the page shows up.
When it comes to icons, Wedge manages them differently (spriting or base64 encoding), so there's no point in discussing SEO for them anyway. As for big images, they'll all be managed by Aeva Media, and obviously it stores image dimensions so it's not a problem.
Re: markup, we're not using h1/h2/etc more than SMF for now. However, since I converted the templates to HTML5, the category and title headers were turned into <header> tags. I'm planning to implement <article> and <section> tags as well, but I have yet to decide whether blog comments should be in their own <article> tags or not.
Re: labels, I didn't change much here, but I did ensure that labels that have a nested input, do not specify a 'for' parameter. It's a waste of space, and nested tags are supported by all browsers except for IE6. I don't see the point in wasting bandwidth over this wicked little outdated browser.
Re: privacy, the source code will be available for everyone to see that we're not using anyone's data... As for how admins may use the data: it's not up to us to determine a privacy policy, is it...?
Re: contact us, I don't really see the point personally. When it comes to a blog, you can easily PM/e-mail the author by visiting their profile area. For an entire forum... Check out the memberlist and click the admin's name.
When it comes to icons, Wedge manages them differently (spriting or base64 encoding), so there's no point in discussing SEO for them anyway. As for big images, they'll all be managed by Aeva Media, and obviously it stores image dimensions so it's not a problem.
Re: markup, we're not using h1/h2/etc more than SMF for now. However, since I converted the templates to HTML5, the category and title headers were turned into <header> tags. I'm planning to implement <article> and <section> tags as well, but I have yet to decide whether blog comments should be in their own <article> tags or not.
Re: labels, I didn't change much here, but I did ensure that labels that have a nested input, do not specify a 'for' parameter. It's a waste of space, and nested tags are supported by all browsers except for IE6. I don't see the point in wasting bandwidth over this wicked little outdated browser.
Re: privacy, the source code will be available for everyone to see that we're not using anyone's data... As for how admins may use the data: it's not up to us to determine a privacy policy, is it...?
Re: contact us, I don't really see the point personally. When it comes to a blog, you can easily PM/e-mail the author by visiting their profile area. For an entire forum... Check out the memberlist and click the admin's name.