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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
« on November 26th, 2010, 11:32 AM »This is not an attack on you, Nao - but you do display a need to control everything.
It's not an attack, it's the simple truth.
Under such circumstances I don't see I can be of any real help here.
You could also share your ideas on other details. The banner for instance -- I spent several hours trying to figure out a way to integrate the logo into a simpler background... I came up with the "inverted colors on a stripe of light colors" concept, sort of a flow of ideas, uninterrupted even by the sidebar on the left. Yes, I did think about that crap a lot ahah. I didn't see any feedback on the banner itself.
Same for the team badges... I made recent changes to apply your Wedge icon to them. I changed the borders slightly to make them 'blend' in with the badge color, to give a feeling that the wedge's "arrival" into the badge is making the individual badge blend in with the team altogether. Yes, yes, yes, I promise I thought of all of that crap! :P Again, no comments on the badges...
It's not a problem but please don't say you can't help when you're so obviously more skilled at design than I am.
I'm constantly struggling to accept your designs, because that's what I've been doing since I became accustomed to your work on Curve. I first reject things, and then I try to think again.
Maybe its better if I'll await the official versions and start exploring theme possibilities then. TBH I have had my share of trying to get *any* team to accept new things, especially in the visual area. Works better for me, and saves us from getting tangled up in un-needed discussions. Go with what you feel, Wedge is after your baby. :)
Just like we discussed with the theme overhaul... It's certainly something I'm going to initially reject, but I'll do my best to consider your work as a whole. There has to be room for both *logic* (i.e. UI and thematic concerns) and *art* (i.e. exploring new concepts) in something. It's just that the logic in me is so incredibly tough that the room I make for art is usually an afterthought. This is where you come in ;)
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The Pub / [FAQ] Re: Is it a hostile or friendly fork?
« on November 26th, 2010, 11:22 AM »
A note for those interested in the conflicts that led us into going closed source.
If you're interested in some reading, check out the topic at Runic's.
If you're interested in some reading, check out the topic at Runic's.
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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
« on November 26th, 2010, 11:08 AM »
- 3D illusion: agreed, but it's a mockup, right? Again I'm bad at picture editing... I do most of my works without layers (I'm just not used to using them.) I originally tried with a bigger version of the wedge but it didn't work. Maybe with a very small version...
- Colors are good but too dark IMHO (and yes, I know mine is too dark, too, it needs at least a 30% or 50% gamma upping). Also, why prolong the 'd' when you can simply resize your pic to 75% horizontally and 80% vertically, like I do? I'm still gonna keep that size you know :) It's the perfect one for the header, or pretty much. Font: I prefer mine. We're looking at a slogan that doesn't distract attention too much, and a serif font is not good for that. Also, the "H" sticks too close to the "g" curve. Things like that... The g's curve goes too much to the right, it might work better with no text (slogan) to the right of it. Generally, I think the best place for the slogan is the lower left, making sure it doesn't go outside the bounds of the logo itself. I also like having a "pause" in the text, but that can also be achieved by turning your comma into a period.
- Slogan: I don't know, I just don't... I'm trying to stick with Pete's suggestion that the last word should start with an "F", so I was quite happy I found something that works without sounding like it's a fabricated slogan... I mean, "Simple math for you" is a proper expression. It works as a sentence, as a motto, while "Simple math fortunately" (or anything like that) does sound like it's been built purposedly for the acronym. You know, like "TARDIS" is supposed to mean "Time and relative dimension in space"... No one will make me believe they didn't try to put an acronym in TARDIS *after* they came up with the name... Eheh.
I hope I'm not too hard on you :^^;:
- Colors are good but too dark IMHO (and yes, I know mine is too dark, too, it needs at least a 30% or 50% gamma upping). Also, why prolong the 'd' when you can simply resize your pic to 75% horizontally and 80% vertically, like I do? I'm still gonna keep that size you know :) It's the perfect one for the header, or pretty much. Font: I prefer mine. We're looking at a slogan that doesn't distract attention too much, and a serif font is not good for that. Also, the "H" sticks too close to the "g" curve. Things like that... The g's curve goes too much to the right, it might work better with no text (slogan) to the right of it. Generally, I think the best place for the slogan is the lower left, making sure it doesn't go outside the bounds of the logo itself. I also like having a "pause" in the text, but that can also be achieved by turning your comma into a period.
- Slogan: I don't know, I just don't... I'm trying to stick with Pete's suggestion that the last word should start with an "F", so I was quite happy I found something that works without sounding like it's a fabricated slogan... I mean, "Simple math for you" is a proper expression. It works as a sentence, as a motto, while "Simple math fortunately" (or anything like that) does sound like it's been built purposedly for the acronym. You know, like "TARDIS" is supposed to mean "Time and relative dimension in space"... No one will make me believe they didn't try to put an acronym in TARDIS *after* they came up with the name... Eheh.
I hope I'm not too hard on you :^^;:
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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
« on November 26th, 2010, 10:18 AM »
That, maybe?
(Yeah, the 'g' shouldn't have the loop come back to the left at the bottom. It should stop there, just a bit further than Bloc's concept of it.)
Meant something like that. (Below below.)
Slogan suggestion: "Simple math, for you." Has the SMF pun, means it's simply math for users to choose it (and complex math for us to handle), and the comma would indicate that there's geeky features on one side, and user comfort on the other side.
Of course it's all a lie but that's what marketing is for :P
(Yeah, the 'g' shouldn't have the loop come back to the left at the bottom. It should stop there, just a bit further than Bloc's concept of it.)
Meant something like that. (Below below.)
Slogan suggestion: "Simple math, for you." Has the SMF pun, means it's simply math for users to choose it (and complex math for us to handle), and the comma would indicate that there's geeky features on one side, and user comfort on the other side.
Of course it's all a lie but that's what marketing is for :P
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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
« on November 25th, 2010, 11:42 PM »
I'm rather upset, because I like those new offerings (the stylised 'g', mainly), but I can't find a way to exploit them.
I recolorized them (see hue settings two pages ago), resized them to have the size I need (75% H/80% V), and no... Nothing. Doesn't strike me as better than the current homepage logo. :-/
Logo design is art! (That's my lesson for today :lol:)
I recolorized them (see hue settings two pages ago), resized them to have the size I need (75% H/80% V), and no... Nothing. Doesn't strike me as better than the current homepage logo. :-/
Logo design is art! (That's my lesson for today :lol:)
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Features / Re: New revs
« on November 25th, 2010, 11:02 PM »
rev 297
- Removed support for theme variants... We have stylings now, and they're easier to grasp for themers, hopefully. Better documented, too. Maybe it'll get me to finally enable choosing a styling for the forum theme (outside of boards)... And maybe customization for users, but honestly I'm not fond of that idea. (Load.php, Themes.php, BoardIndex.template.php, Themes language, MessageIndex.template.php, Themes.template.php)
* Continuing, and pretty much finishing, the inline JS migration. Every single script tag left means the data can safely be stored inside the JS and doesn't rely on externals. (ManageMembergroups.template.php, ManagePaid.template.php, Packages.template.php, Poll.template.php, Profile.template.php)
* Forgot to fix the leap year on one of the files. (ManagePaid.template.php)
- Removed support for theme variants... We have stylings now, and they're easier to grasp for themers, hopefully. Better documented, too. Maybe it'll get me to finally enable choosing a styling for the forum theme (outside of boards)... And maybe customization for users, but honestly I'm not fond of that idea. (Load.php, Themes.php, BoardIndex.template.php, Themes language, MessageIndex.template.php, Themes.template.php)
* Continuing, and pretty much finishing, the inline JS migration. Every single script tag left means the data can safely be stored inside the JS and doesn't rely on externals. (ManageMembergroups.template.php, ManagePaid.template.php, Packages.template.php, Poll.template.php, Profile.template.php)
* Forgot to fix the leap year on one of the files. (ManagePaid.template.php)
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Features / Re: New revs
« on November 25th, 2010, 09:48 PM »
rev 296
* The manage smileys page had a very ugly link at the bottom. (ManageSmileys.php)
* More inline JS movement. (Admin.template.php, ManageSmileys.template.php, Packages.template.php, Reminder.template.php, Themes.template.php)
* Scheduled Tasks translation to French was inconsistent. (Admin, Help and ManageSettings language files)
* Fixed latest-*.php files to prevent them from sending errors to Wedge. Whatever... (xml/latest-*.php)
* The manage smileys page had a very ugly link at the bottom. (ManageSmileys.php)
* More inline JS movement. (Admin.template.php, ManageSmileys.template.php, Packages.template.php, Reminder.template.php, Themes.template.php)
* Scheduled Tasks translation to French was inconsistent. (Admin, Help and ManageSettings language files)
* Fixed latest-*.php files to prevent them from sending errors to Wedge. Whatever... (xml/latest-*.php)
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Features / Re: New revs
« on November 25th, 2010, 06:09 PM »
rev 295
- Couple of useless classes. (index.css)
* Finished replacing <span>'s with <div>'s. Phew. One good thing done... (All other files in that rev. Honest.)
TAKING A BREAK! :P
- Couple of useless classes. (index.css)
* Finished replacing <span>'s with <div>'s. Phew. One good thing done... (All other files in that rev. Honest.)
TAKING A BREAK! :P
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Features / Re: New revs
« on November 25th, 2010, 05:59 PM »
rev 294
+ Adding proper support for add_js_inline(). (Load.php, QueryString.php, index.template.php)
* Don't show debug info in help popups. Seriously, this was too silly. (Subs.php)
- Removing submit button's rounded corners until I figure out a way to properly disable the outline that shows up in Opera when clicking it. (index.css)
* Simplified init process for both objects in admin.js file. (admin.js)
* Give some padding to descriptions inside the settings area. At least some breathing space... (index.css)
+ Forgot to translate an entry to French. (Admin.french.php)
* Finished committing a few multi-file fixes that were mentioned in the previous commit: <span>'s to <div>'s, leap year fix and renamed functions. (ManageAttachments.php, ManageScheduledTasks.php, ManageServer.php, ManageSmileys.php, Profile-Modify.php, TEMPLATES: Calendar, Help, ManageCalendar, ManageSmileys, Post, Themes)
Phew... Here are are.
Many files, but less changes per file, thankfully, so it was way quicker to build this changelog.
One more commit coming up, with the last smalltext span fixes...
+ Adding proper support for add_js_inline(). (Load.php, QueryString.php, index.template.php)
* Don't show debug info in help popups. Seriously, this was too silly. (Subs.php)
- Removing submit button's rounded corners until I figure out a way to properly disable the outline that shows up in Opera when clicking it. (index.css)
* Simplified init process for both objects in admin.js file. (admin.js)
* Give some padding to descriptions inside the settings area. At least some breathing space... (index.css)
+ Forgot to translate an entry to French. (Admin.french.php)
* Finished committing a few multi-file fixes that were mentioned in the previous commit: <span>'s to <div>'s, leap year fix and renamed functions. (ManageAttachments.php, ManageScheduledTasks.php, ManageServer.php, ManageSmileys.php, Profile-Modify.php, TEMPLATES: Calendar, Help, ManageCalendar, ManageSmileys, Post, Themes)
Phew... Here are are.
Many files, but less changes per file, thankfully, so it was way quicker to build this changelog.
One more commit coming up, with the last smalltext span fixes...
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Features / Re: New revs
« on November 25th, 2010, 05:26 PM »
rev 293
! Two errors with SMF variables. (install.php, Install languages)
* Continuing the inline JS exodus. (TEMPLATES: Login, ManageAttachments/Bans/Boards/Calendar/Maintenance/ Membergroups/Members/News/Paid/Permissions, ModerationCenter, Packages, Post, Profile, Search, SplitTopics, Stats)
! SMF bug: Javascript error when editing the Local Moderator membergroup. (ManageMembergroups.template.php)
- Removed unused variables $context['profile_javascript'] and $context['profile_onsubmit_javascript']. BTW, the latter's implementation was buggy. (Profile.template.php)
+ Added description for membergroup color setting. (ManageMembergroups.template.php, ManageMembergroups language)
+ Added a label for duration radio boxes. UI FTW. (ManagePaid.template.php)
! isset($something) ? $something : $something has to be the funniest waste of space I've seen today. Four times. In the same file. (ManagePaid.template.php)
! Fixed validation broken due to [] in URLs. Too bored to look for other URLs manually... (PersonalMessage.template.php)
! SMF glitch: validation was broken in profiles due to a self-closed span. Whatever. (Profile.template.php)
* Started replacing <br /><span class="smalltext"> with <div class="smalltext">. Allows for setting some padding in the settings area to avoid getting long descriptions to touch the right side of the area. (TEMPLATES: ManageBans, ManagePaid, ManagePermissions, PersonalMessage, Profile)
! Fixed leap year handling. The problem won't occur before 2100, but we might as well be ready for the far future. That's what Wedge is. (Calendar.template.php, ManageCalendar.template.php)
! JSE fixes in various places, most notably all doAutoSubmit() functions. Maybe we should be putting this into a JS file...? (TEMPLATES: Admin, Announce, ManageAttachments, ManageMaintenance, ManageMembers, ManageNews, ManageSearch, Packages, Register, Search)
* Seriously, plenty more fixes that I couldn't both to log. Do you realize I spent an entire day just writing this changelog and checking it again and again? Is there someone reading me anyway? Hello? Mom is that you?
* Indenazi. (Reports.php)
I'm only halfway through it! I have just as many files left to commit. And I'm not even started on onclicks, lol...
! Two errors with SMF variables. (install.php, Install languages)
* Continuing the inline JS exodus. (TEMPLATES: Login, ManageAttachments/Bans/Boards/Calendar/Maintenance/ Membergroups/Members/News/Paid/Permissions, ModerationCenter, Packages, Post, Profile, Search, SplitTopics, Stats)
! SMF bug: Javascript error when editing the Local Moderator membergroup. (ManageMembergroups.template.php)
- Removed unused variables $context['profile_javascript'] and $context['profile_onsubmit_javascript']. BTW, the latter's implementation was buggy. (Profile.template.php)
+ Added description for membergroup color setting. (ManageMembergroups.template.php, ManageMembergroups language)
+ Added a label for duration radio boxes. UI FTW. (ManagePaid.template.php)
! isset($something) ? $something : $something has to be the funniest waste of space I've seen today. Four times. In the same file. (ManagePaid.template.php)
! Fixed validation broken due to [] in URLs. Too bored to look for other URLs manually... (PersonalMessage.template.php)
! SMF glitch: validation was broken in profiles due to a self-closed span. Whatever. (Profile.template.php)
* Started replacing <br /><span class="smalltext"> with <div class="smalltext">. Allows for setting some padding in the settings area to avoid getting long descriptions to touch the right side of the area. (TEMPLATES: ManageBans, ManagePaid, ManagePermissions, PersonalMessage, Profile)
! Fixed leap year handling. The problem won't occur before 2100, but we might as well be ready for the far future. That's what Wedge is. (Calendar.template.php, ManageCalendar.template.php)
! JSE fixes in various places, most notably all doAutoSubmit() functions. Maybe we should be putting this into a JS file...? (TEMPLATES: Admin, Announce, ManageAttachments, ManageMaintenance, ManageMembers, ManageNews, ManageSearch, Packages, Register, Search)
* Seriously, plenty more fixes that I couldn't both to log. Do you realize I spent an entire day just writing this changelog and checking it again and again? Is there someone reading me anyway? Hello? Mom is that you?
* Indenazi. (Reports.php)
I'm only halfway through it! I have just as many files left to commit. And I'm not even started on onclicks, lol...
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Features / Re: New revs
« on November 24th, 2010, 11:55 PM »
I can't believe I spent my entire day on this... So many bugs to fix!!
rev 292
@ 30 files done. Got 21 more templates to document before I can commit them... I'll do that tomorrow alright? Man's gotta sleep sometimes.
* More SMF to Wedge renaming. (current-version.php, detailed-version.php)
* More add_js conversion. (TEMPLATES: Admin, Announce, BoardIndex, GenericList)
! Fixed missing parenthesis. (ManageMail.php)
- $profile_fields['js_submit'] and ['js'] are never set in the first place. (Profile-Modify.php)
* Indenazi. (index.php, ManageMembers.php, ManageServer.php, ManageSmileys.php, Admin.template.php, Nix/index.css, ManageSettings.english.php, ManageSettings.french.php)
* Made submit buttons slightly rounded if CSS3 is available. Eh, why not. I'm bored. (index.css)
* Added some margin below fatal errors. Looks better for the Return link. (index.css)
* Changed stats page column internal widths to allow for more space on the left side. (index.css)
! Generic lists could sometimes set width to "100%px"... Yeah. (GenericList.template.php)
! addcslashes/JSE fixes. (Search.php, Search.template.php, ManageMembers.english.php, ManageMembers.french.php)
! Precedence logic issue in cascaded tables. (index.css)
! Cellspacing values weren't working, at least in Opera. (index.css)
! CSS wasn't applied correctly to reports. (report.css)
! SMF glitch: broken class. (ManageScheduledTasks.php)
! Validation error in custom profile fields page. (ManageSettings.php)
! French translation fixes. (index.french.php, Help.french.php, Reports.french.php)
! Alignment issues when opening a month via Ajax in stats page. (stats.js)
! Editor BBC button list was vertical (uh!) in IE6 and IE7 (ahah!) (ie6.css, ie7.css)
! Pete bug (evil grin): auto-suggester was broken. Restored a few lines but they probably would best be removed. (Suggest.php)
! Nao bug (annoyed grunt): removed an extra </div> from the admin settings template. (Admin.template.php)
! Admin area would print label tags linked to non-forms, causing HTML5 validation to break. Yeah I know, they're a PITA... (Admin.template.php)
rev 292
@ 30 files done. Got 21 more templates to document before I can commit them... I'll do that tomorrow alright? Man's gotta sleep sometimes.
* More SMF to Wedge renaming. (current-version.php, detailed-version.php)
* More add_js conversion. (TEMPLATES: Admin, Announce, BoardIndex, GenericList)
! Fixed missing parenthesis. (ManageMail.php)
- $profile_fields['js_submit'] and ['js'] are never set in the first place. (Profile-Modify.php)
* Indenazi. (index.php, ManageMembers.php, ManageServer.php, ManageSmileys.php, Admin.template.php, Nix/index.css, ManageSettings.english.php, ManageSettings.french.php)
* Made submit buttons slightly rounded if CSS3 is available. Eh, why not. I'm bored. (index.css)
* Added some margin below fatal errors. Looks better for the Return link. (index.css)
* Changed stats page column internal widths to allow for more space on the left side. (index.css)
! Generic lists could sometimes set width to "100%px"... Yeah. (GenericList.template.php)
! addcslashes/JSE fixes. (Search.php, Search.template.php, ManageMembers.english.php, ManageMembers.french.php)
! Precedence logic issue in cascaded tables. (index.css)
! Cellspacing values weren't working, at least in Opera. (index.css)
! CSS wasn't applied correctly to reports. (report.css)
! SMF glitch: broken class. (ManageScheduledTasks.php)
! Validation error in custom profile fields page. (ManageSettings.php)
! French translation fixes. (index.french.php, Help.french.php, Reports.french.php)
! Alignment issues when opening a month via Ajax in stats page. (stats.js)
! Editor BBC button list was vertical (uh!) in IE6 and IE7 (ahah!) (ie6.css, ie7.css)
! Pete bug (evil grin): auto-suggester was broken. Restored a few lines but they probably would best be removed. (Suggest.php)
! Nao bug (annoyed grunt): removed an extra </div> from the admin settings template. (Admin.template.php)
! Admin area would print label tags linked to non-forms, causing HTML5 validation to break. Yeah I know, they're a PITA... (Admin.template.php)
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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
« on November 24th, 2010, 05:15 PM »
Didn't you say the contrary a few days ago?
dannbass, can you please link to the extruded logo you're talking about?
dannbass, can you please link to the extruded logo you're talking about?
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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
« on November 24th, 2010, 04:55 PM »
There are two logos in use on the banner, please re-read this topic's latest pages... :whistle:
As for the extruded logo, it was rejected by the majority so I gave up on it...
As for the extruded logo, it was rejected by the majority so I gave up on it...
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Features / Re: New revs
« on November 24th, 2010, 03:40 PM »
rev 291
* More SMF to Wedge changes. (Settings.php, Settings_bak.php, repair_settings.php, smfinfo.php,
+ Added an add_js_inline() to add JS code before the big scripts at the end. Right now it is an alias to add_js(). If used in enough cases, it will be made into a proper function. (QueryString.php, PersonalMessage.template.php)
* Optimized add_js() to justify using it even in loops. Modders are big boys, they don't need newlines to be added automatically for them. (QueryString.php)
* Continuing the add_js quest. (ManageMail.php, PersonalMessage.template.php)
* More SMF to Wedge changes. (Settings.php, Settings_bak.php, repair_settings.php, smfinfo.php,
+ Added an add_js_inline() to add JS code before the big scripts at the end. Right now it is an alias to add_js(). If used in enough cases, it will be made into a proper function. (QueryString.php, PersonalMessage.template.php)
* Optimized add_js() to justify using it even in loops. Modders are big boys, they don't need newlines to be added automatically for them. (QueryString.php)
* Continuing the add_js quest. (ManageMail.php, PersonalMessage.template.php)
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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
« on November 24th, 2010, 03:17 PM »
?
Both logos are Bloc's...
I just reordered the stuff between each.
As for the "hint of a wedge" (I didn't see it that way... You mean like my extruded logo?), it's going to be in the final logo anyway, whatever we choose.
Both logos are Bloc's...
I just reordered the stuff between each.
As for the "hint of a wedge" (I didn't see it that way... You mean like my extruded logo?), it's going to be in the final logo anyway, whatever we choose.