Wedge

Because DP is for SMF. And we have nothing to give to SMF. I stopped working on Aeva Media because I didn't want SMF to gain indirectly from my work. All of my efforts are on Wedge. I think it's pretty much the same for Pete, at least for big projects that he didn't create himself.

DP on Wedge would require a rewrite for a lot of areas. There's no point in maintaining both versions in parallel. We'd just fork it, not as a "DP for Wedge", but as a *part* of Wedge.

Anyway-- we gave up on that, remember?

texasman, no arrangements. The owner of portaMx made quite an impression here (let's just say she made a fool out of herself...), DP is a no-no, and as for TinyPortal, it's up to Bloc (and I think he's given up on it, although you'd best ask him.)
SimplePortal, I have no idea but I don't think the license would allow for anything anyway.

@Dragooon> But you never actually asked for Consultant status...?Out of 350 million? I think it's just luck :pWell I've met my share of unusual people... The most unusual probably being me :PI have, err.... one computer. And zero VPS. Do my 30+ domain names count? ;)I customized noisen.com for several years too -- little did I know that it would be MUCH harder to actually turn it into a usable generic forum package. Oh my... And I'm not even done.I'd like to make it mandatory for everyone to post a blurb about themselves before posting in these boards, but I don't like enforcing rules... I believe in freedom, but sometimes it's hard to get along with everyone when they just come, post what they have to post, and leave. See what I mean?

That's exactly why we kept so quiet about Wedge for 7 months... We spent the time working on it. I didn't create an alternative account or anything at sm.org, I simply stopped caring about it, and was focusing on Wedge.
I know that confronting an audience has never been my forte, and it tends to degenerate quickly into flame wars. This is one of the reasons why we weren't sure whether to go public or not. Especially because we knew that most of the fights tend to start as soon as something changes. i.e. in this case, going public would bring its lot, and it would calm down afterwards. So I'm discussing the things that are in the air, establishing my position, and hopefully people won't come again with the same complaints in the future.

tl:dr
Flame wars are unavoidable here, in this day of going public. What matters is that it settles soon. But, of course, the SMF team had to plunge right into it... -_-

I don't think they do...
I've been in the SMF community for 5 years now, started doing community work in early 2008, and got thrown out in mid-2010 because I was fighting with vbLamer45 and he's under protection (I don't know why, but whatever.) They knew I was right about him, but they chose to kick me out instead of him -- because of the protection, and possibly because for the first time, someone was standing up to him and actually had the power and listeners to let the truth be known.
It's always been a battle of power. I just didn't realize it at the time. I re-read many PMs and discussions at the time, between the team and I, and it's quite clear that they knew they couldn't afford to lose me, one of their top contributors, and the reason why they were afraid of letting me into the team was that I was kind of a leader guy. I wouldn't have settled on a lowly position. And they probably knew that I was skilled enough to run the team and the development process at the same time. Thus, they knew that by kicking me out, either I would just drop SMF altogether and waste my time on something else, or, if I was to stay in the SMF community, I *would* go ahead and compete with them.
Heck, it doesn't take a genius to understand the politics behind all of this.
What matters here, is that they've had as much time as I had to understand said politics, and understand that they should take responsibility for their actions.
And they're doing exactly the same now as they did a year ago! You'd think they LEARNED wouldn't you...?
No, they haven't.

January 2010 split: they kicked out everyone who didn't agree with the power struggles. Ex-team went ahead and made their own forum. SMF bans everyone linking to the other forum. Ex-team builds new project, because SMF doesn't want to go BSD. SMF team realizes they're wrong, changes mind, announces BSD switch, ex-team leaves new project, goes back to fold. End of story.

August 2010: they kicked me out for challenging vbLamer45 in public. Arantor was also a victim of SMF's internal struggles at the time. We went ahead and started our own project. SMF team is made aware of it soon after, no word from them. I'm sure they thought we wouldn't last, like Jaelta... Wrong.

November 2010: we're still on it. Now, SMF team attacks me on technicalities. They remove my beta tester rights (which I was still using to make bug reports!), and my SMF Friend status (because for them, current politics trump overall recognition.) I try to make a compromise for them, after which they keep saying it's too late. So I cancel my compromise, and they threaten to sue (!!!). I say screw you. End of story. SMF loses their most active beta tester ever (400 reports or so), but I'm sure they'll see this as a victory...

March 2011: we go public. Arantor adds link in his signature. SMF team invents new rule to prevent him from doing it.

Who wants to bet they'll win this time? Who thinks they've learned their lessons and they'll come to their senses? Who thinks they'll finally acknowledge that their team is totally screwed up and they're making bad decision after bad decision?

Seriously, I don't even know why Pete keeps posting over there... They don't deserve a hundredth of the efforts he's making for SMF.Well I only on the actual source code for 2 months so I'm only responsible for parts of RC4's fixes, I'm not saying the other devs are bad, I'm just saying the men who turned SMF into fantastic software are long gone -- because of the politics. Because of the current team! So, no, we're not responsible for SMF2, we're however responsible for part of its success (me because of Aeva/SMG and Pete because of so many things I wouldn't know where to start.) As for taking our credit away... I don't know, I don't think the SMF community is that dumb.I'm more of a guy who judges people by their actions, not their karma.A partnership? What do you want us to partner for? Especially with them? What do we owe them? We owe the current team absolutely nothing. They owe us. That's why they should acknowledge Wedge, instead of trying to hide it. They should declare they'll be looking forward to the competition. But they don't have the developers to follow suit. So their shortsightedness is currently losing them. They're making decisions for the near future, not for the far future. They don't know what they'll put into SMF3 because they all know they'll be gone before it even goes in beta.

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....Well, all in all, that's what the SMF team management inspires me. Nothing but ill decisions and general lousiness.We tried that... Until the November backlash.SMF is no longer established. It's dying, remember? More people are leaving the software than new people are joining it. It may also be true for other forum packages, I don't know, but the stats speak for themselves at sm.org.
And I don't want to build our software's reputation on SMF. Not on the *current* SMF.
(Besides, you know it's a public area and they're certainly reading all of this, right? Do you think they'd like you suggesting we "use" them for our benefit? ::))No, they have to, for several reasons we detailed elsewhere. In short: (1) they promised the community, and the community is tired of being screwed with. (2) SMF's ex-devs never signed any proper contracts and said they would relinquish the rights to their code ONLY if SMF went BSD... It's another struggle, but one that has been made public. So they HAVE to go BSD or they can't release SMF2 Gold *at all*. It's not a present they're giving us... It's the only way SMF can survive. (And it will survive -- through its forks, not through the core software.)When did putting a "Wedge. Simple math, really" logo amount to slapping someone in the face?

Do you realize that my initial slogan was "SMF for real men"? Now I would have understood they got upset at this slogan (which I came up with for fun, nothing else). But "Simple math"? Uh...Just by making these internal struggles public, we're already fighting them. Anyone at Wedge.org is now aware that SMF is not playing it nice. They've been presented with proof. That alone is enough for me.

Why, have you looked into ours in the first place? (It's pretty close to SMF's so I should think so.)But what about single quotes and uppercase among others?Yall is Wedge, Nao and Arantor? When did we start calling ourselves Yall?
Do you mind if I call you and your car "Zlipt"?I've never been to the Americas, period.I'm living in France. The number one touristic destination in the world. And it's a damn fine country.
Still, it's an international forum and I'm doing my best to speak an understandable English for everyone's benefit.
If you're in Texas, Zlipt, which last I heard was part of the United States of America, with English as primary language, why exactly aren't you speaking proper international/commercial/business English in here?

Please, texasman. If you want to be read -- make us want to read you. Right now you're talking about this "yall" man I've never heard about, and you apparently have a problem with your punctuation keys. That's okay for short blurbs, but long posts need quite some effort to read.

Are you asking for something anyway? I'm not sure... I can't bother to read your long posts. See what I mean?

So, Pete... What's up with the SMF team? Did they write back or do they not care about your request?

Has anyone else received complaints?