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Off-topic / Re: Kudos for Nao & Arantor
« on April 3rd, 2011, 07:30 PM »
^_^

We just couldn't resist a good challenge!
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on April 3rd, 2011, 12:39 PM »
...And we'll release within a couple of months after their gold version, hopefully. (Ideally, a couple of weeks. But I don't know where we'll be when they release. If I'm right in the middle of integrating AeMe and I still have dozens of bugs, we can't release obviously. Same for blog support, etc.)
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Features / Re: New revs
« on April 3rd, 2011, 10:59 AM »
rev 679
(7 files, 11kb)

! A few of the help text links were being hidden by the help icon. (Admin.english.php, Admin.french.php, Login.template.php, Packages.template.php, Profile.template.php, Register.template.php)
* Indenazi. (Profile.template.php, sections.css)
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 09:59 AM »
Quote from SoLoGHoST on April 3rd, 2011, 09:37 AM
Actually believe it or not, it all began with the members here.  Arantor, Bloc, and Nao all had something negative to say about Dream Portal.  Specifically, it all began with this post by Nao:  http://wedge.org/pub/off/6562/flames-dream-portal/msg257071/#msg257071 If you are going to say these things and open up the topic to such a "downward spiral" as you put it live627, than you shouldn't be surprised if others engage in it.
Sure, because everyone here knows that what happens in private is so oh-lovely.
Just having Chris register here was suspicious. Some discussed in private that they were uncomfortable with that. That he was going to create problems. Then Chris posted his message. I felt it was going to annoy some people in the team and in order to save time, I'd provoke a reaction and encourage either his departure, or his making it clear that he was coming in peace. Because we have no fucking time to waste on flame wars.

*I* was never involved with DP at *any* point. I was in the best position to do this. I just expected the DP team to behave as adults, not as kids who come in, insult everyone and then delete their posts to leave no trace. W00t, way to go for a "professional" project...
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The only "downward spiral" I see here is the trash that is being talked about on Dream Portal in various posts within this topic.  Feel free to end it anyone?  I don't think you can end something on a positive note when other people keep bringing it up in such a negative way!  If this is allowed, again, you are opening up the discussion for debate.
Didn't YOU say you wanted to end the debate? <sigh>
You're no better than JaZz at this point.
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 3rd, 2011, 08:52 AM »
Yeah... Technically, we didn't start the flames. I suppose there's too much tension and ego issues (not that it's not understandable) at DP since it only died split recently into two portals...

I say guys, come back and re-read the topic once you're ready. Maybe you'll realize you didn't... react... like you were supposed to.

Anyway, I split the topic right before you posted, John -- funny.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on April 3rd, 2011, 01:30 AM »
rev 678
(21 files +3, 22kb)

* Replaced all helptopics.gif occurrences with CSS. Again: YAY. (sections.css, other/ssi_examples.php, Modlog.php, Admin.english.php, Admin.french.php, TEMPLATES: Admin, Errors, GenericMenu, Login, ManageMaintenance, ManageNews, ManagePermissions, ManageSearch, ModerationCenter, Packages, Profile, Themes)
! Fixin' bad filters in Warm. Cancelled the fixes in Wuthering because they get inherited anyway. (Warm/ie*.css)
! Fixin' some odd stuff in IE6 admin layout. (ie6.css)
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on April 2nd, 2011, 08:19 PM »
Thanks for your support. :)
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Features / Re: New revs
« on April 2nd, 2011, 08:15 PM »
The more time I spend on Pastel, the more depressed I am... Hence its new name :P

rev 677
(12 files + 7 modified, 45kb)

* Moved feed icon to CSS. (BoardIndex.template.php, index.template.php, index.css)
* Moved Pastel to under Warm, renamed it to Wuthering and fixed it. Not perfect, and not optimized... But I don't really care at this point. (Pastel/*, Warm/Wuthering/*)
! Fixed CSS variable declarations with mismatched opening or ending double quotes. (Class-CSS.php)
* Renamed "News" item to "In the news" in the French version. Makes more sense. (index.french.php)
* Replaced the semi-colon next to "News" with an arrow. (index.template.php, index.css, sections.css)
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Other software / Re: SMF 2.0 Gold is released!!!!
« on April 2nd, 2011, 06:42 PM »
Interesting.
Oh way, 118 in France is also only for directory services.
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on April 2nd, 2011, 06:41 PM »
Quote from Bloc on April 2nd, 2011, 05:59 PM
Next step is transforming Blocweb.(and I don't have any sig at sm.org anymore, so i am either way with not putting anything in sigs there)
You should still be aware that as long as we don't have an import tool ready to go, you can't directly convert your website -- you'll have to rebuild it from scratch. Is that okay with you?

We could help with importing posts, though.
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on April 2nd, 2011, 06:40 PM »
Quote from Arantor on April 2nd, 2011, 05:48 PM
I'm suggesting we stop farting about arguing with them about their apparent rules for signatures, that we stop trying to take the battle to their doorstep, when we can't fight them on their turf. Were the situations reversed, we wouldn't accept a link like that, and they couldn't fight us on our turf under those circumstances.
...Err, I would accept a link like that. I mean, if I let someone from a competing team post 44k tech support messages on my boards, I'd be GRATEFUL for their help, rather than try to prevent them from getting a link in exchange.... Meh!
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So, instead of wasting any more time trying to argue the point, let's instead concentrate on making Wedge as awesome as possible,
We are, already :P
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then migrate our sites to it - and then we can link those in our signatures, competing on a level playing field, so people have the choice themselves what they do.
I'm just waitin' for us to discuss the plans for showing off Wedge. (First feature sets, then screenshots, then demo site, then websites running it internally, etc?)
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 2nd, 2011, 06:30 PM »
....He came in, insulted us and then deleted his posts without saying g'bye.
Well, I don't see any reason for him to come back. He made a fool of himself. Apologies, maybe? I couldn't care less, personally...

See, in life you have to make decisions about what you care about. I care about the making of Wedge -- in fact, I care too much about it. I also care about SMF's making up of new rules to prevent us from silently advertising Wedge over there. I don't care about a DP developer who has hormone issues. Simple as that...
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Other software / [Flames] Re: Dream Portal
« on April 2nd, 2011, 05:45 PM »
Quote from Arantor on April 2nd, 2011, 02:40 PM
Thing is, a lot of the time, documentation should be written while the code is written, incorrect documentation is worse than no documentation, so keep it up to date as you change the code. Then it's done, and scores of people that follow you can make use of it.
Agreed.
One of the big issues in documentation world, for coders, is this. "Okay, it took me hours to write these two fucking cool lines of code... If I document them, they'll lose all their magic. It'll made it look like I came up with them in a second."
Of course this is wrong -- but I think sometimes, without the coder's knowledge, the thought is creeping into their mind. I know it did to me, before that. I know there are lots of mojo things in Class-CSS.php that are not documented, and that I should. Describing what a function does is of the utmost importance, but describing what complex lines do is just as important, I think. It's just too bad sometimes I unconsciously ignore these. :^^;:

Anyway. I think the debate is over... JaZz came out as very immature and probably not in a good position to work as a developer on a large project (and, fear not Bloc, not representative of the Norwish people in its entirety. After all, I *am* a big fan of Opera :P). Solomon didn't help either.
I think we can safely say that these two people will have a hard time joining the Friends group here, let alone become coders on Wedge. Apart from that, I wish you the best, guys.
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Other software / Re: So, I've been asked...
« on April 2nd, 2011, 05:37 PM »
I don't get your point, Pete, and I don't understand what you're suggesting we do.

Also, again there's no word from the SMF team about their so-called rule. And nothing about the core value either.
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Other software / Re: SMF 2.0 Gold is released!!!!
« on April 2nd, 2011, 04:11 PM »
Makes me wonder if the UK went through the same ordeal as France... Probably did! We had a similar short number (13, I think? Or 12), which got replaced by a bunch of private company numbers, all starting with 118. I think the one that got the bigger share was 118 218 -- and that's because they actually had a theme song singing the numbers.