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Other software / Re: SMF, yeah right. (Re: Introduction)
« on May 30th, 2011, 10:20 AM »
Quote from Farjo on May 29th, 2011, 12:19 PM
And yes you are (esp. Nao) evidently still affected by SMF's treatment of you.
Not that much. I moved on many months ago... Obviously I haven't been posting at all on sm.org. I could have created a fake account over there, posted a hundred fake posts or so, and then unleashed some hate against them. Or something.
Nah, I just don't care enough to justify resorting to childish methods. (I only do when I care :niark:)

And believe me, the time I spent on Wedge was MUCH more enjoyable than any time I could have spent within the SMF team, coping with all of the slackers, liars and all of those with ego issues. (They want you to believe they're all gone... Then why haven't they made amends with us, eh? Simple question...)
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And I know you are doing this project for yourselves, and for your own motives.
My own motive is to make SMF better. My love for the software was ten times stronger than my resentment for those in charge.
I would like to thank those from the old team -- those who left when the management started screwing up. They're the ones who demanded from the new team that they release SMF in BSD form, so that anyone could fork it. It'll be an interesting development, for the good of both SMF and external projects -- they'll share code with each other, hopefully. (And maybe one day we can put all of these issues behind us and release our own changes as BSD as well for SMF to reuse. But not for now. Not for the foreseeable future. I don't want to see vbLamer legally take my code, fuck it up and release it. Brrrr.)
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However it would be sad if this were to become an anti-SMF sound-off forum, rather than pro-Wedge development space.
Oh, there's enough room for some SMF bashing really. Between November and April, the SMF bashing was kept to a minimum level in private. I don't remember a single new topic about their antics. It just happens that going public about Wedge brought back some hate *from* the SMF team (remember how they censored all of our signatures and such). Without these particular actions of hostility against us, we would have remained neutral just the same.
I'm just not the kind of guy you can attack without expecting a reply of sorts.
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We all have to live with SMF (the software) until Wedge is released and we can compare and choose. Then you can let your coding do the talking,
Always been the case...
And I doubt it will have any effect over SMF, really. Unless Wedge is an instant success, but I doubt it will be, considering I'm not the kind of guy who enjoys doing marketing.
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and people will be more willing to listen if Wedge were something new and better rather than something negative.
Any SMF bashing and general negativism is okay in the off-topic boards (until now, at least -- now that I've created a 'SMF' board, any criticism should be posted there), but I'll try to make sure it doesn't show up in the Wedge-related boards.
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I hope my honesty is not out of line.
We're always listening to what people have to say. And we don't believe in censorship, unlike errr... You know who.
Posted: May 30th, 2011, 10:09 AM
Quote from Farjo on May 29th, 2011, 09:32 PM
People should have joined them - no £5 fee and a hardworking team. But a club dedicated to slagging off another club, no matter how cathartic to its owners, will only have limited appeal.
If it was *dedicated* to doing that, then yes, it is doomed to fail...
Please choose your words more carefully :P
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Comparing and contrasting is fine, bragging about the bugs you've fixed is fine,
Oh, I'm not even doing that!
Perhaps I should :P

SMF bugs fixed just *this month* by yours truly, and not ever reported or fixed by them:

- $txt['parent_boards'] should actually be $txt['child_boards'] ($txt['sub_boards'] in Wedge) because that's what it's about...
- crash when providing several negative search terms (i.e. excluded terms) in a search.
- a bug fix by the SMF team about linktree whitespace. I reverted it and fixed it *properly*.
- rewrote Issue Warning JS to actually work as the SMF code *wanted* it to work (drag'n'slide to change percentage), because yes, it didn't work.
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but endlessly slagging them off will only turn people off Wedge.
I've got a lot of leeway to do this, really. I think I could spend my entire days babbling about SMF, it still wouldn't change a thing about the fact that Wedge *is* what SMF 3.0 should be, only years ahead from it. No one in the SMF team can do a thing about that.

I think we're still being nice with SMF. We try to keep bashing to topics that clearly mention SMF in the subject, things like that. We're posting in public, so that the SMF team can reply, or even report posts and ask us to back down if they think we're going too far (as I said above, we listen to suggestions.)
We have many friends in the SMF team -- most of them are registered here and are enjoying Friend status and regular news about the progress of Wedge, and we don't mind that they're in the SMF team, and they're perfectly aware that when we're lashing out at the SMF team, we're not complaining about the entire team, we're complaining about those in charge who could *do something* about the terrible SMF/Wedge relationships, and just don't give a damn about it.

That's all...
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Other software / Re: SMF, yeah right. (Re: Introduction)
« on May 30th, 2011, 09:54 AM »
Quote from Arantor on May 29th, 2011, 10:46 AM
There is a little activity, nothing to write home about. I last sync'd at 10542 which was made 9 days ago. There have been 10 commits since then: 1 converter related, 4 relating to the copyright warning/checks/credits, 1 PostgreSQL fix (not even from the dev team), 1 security-related bug (and I'm not sure I entirely like their fix either), 1 search bug, and 2 layout related issues. (A commit per day from a group of 3 is not exactly busy.)
Yeah... I just checked, and I made 16 commits in the exact same time frame. ::)
Postgresql fix = Oldiesmann, I guess? :P
Posted: May 30th, 2011, 09:54 AM
Quote from billy2 on May 29th, 2011, 12:18 PM
Lex says "The fights and political drama within SMF are mostly done with"......... good lad  :eheh:

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=435462.msg3055036#msg3055036
Got a lot of things to answer to that thread... Hope I'll find some time to do it.
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Features: Miscellaneous / Re: Improvements to Hooks
« on May 30th, 2011, 09:50 AM »
I'm still pushing for Wedge to completely disable the ability to hack into source files... And I'm ready to add as many hook points as requested to ensure as many mods as possible can be done for Wedge.
It really doesn't kill performance at all, in my tests at least. It's just an extra function call and an empty() test on each new hook...
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Other software / Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« on May 30th, 2011, 09:48 AM »
...And that's even without mentioning that RC is supposed to be "ready for release, just making sure there aren't any breakers on a larger scale" ;)
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Off-topic / Re: Doctor Who
« on May 30th, 2011, 07:08 AM »
Current one is so much hotter!
Posted: May 30th, 2011, 07:08 AM

(Rory, according to Idris.)
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Off-topic / Re: Doctor Who
« on May 30th, 2011, 12:18 AM »
I really enjoyed this double episode.

(click to show/hide)
Reminded me a bit of the Silence in the Library spirit, mixed in with a bit of Waters of Mars and a bit of Moon (the Duncan Jones movie). The new characters were pretty likable (except for the bland boy who barely said a word the whole time), and I cared about them (both clone and human versions).

As for the ending -- I didn't catch it the first time, so I rewatched it and got it: Amy was cloned the same way as originally intended, it wasn't a clone of her with its own memories -- she was in a harness of sorts, unaware of her real position, and was controlling a puppet clone all along. Hence the 'link to the Flesh' as mentioned by the Doctor. Nice one!

Rats. Means I'll have to watch next week's episode... Even though I didn't want to (because of the season-long cliffhanger.)
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Features / Re: Share user database for 2 (or more) different forums.
« on May 29th, 2011, 02:43 PM »
Is it only possible to do it with SMF? I mean is there a mod for that...?
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Features / Re: Share user database for 2 (or more) different forums.
« on May 29th, 2011, 02:35 PM »
Your question is confusing, though. I don't think SMF can share user tables across two different forums, which is why I said 'stock' SMF. Any SMF forums, though, can be hosted on one database if you use different table prefixes. Same for Wedge -- our default prefix is 'wedge', but you can change it to anything you like.

Oh, and as a reminder, Wedge will import your SMF data, so you can run it next to a SMF install until you decide which you like best.
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Features / Re: Share user database for 2 (or more) different forums.
« on May 29th, 2011, 01:36 PM »
Same as for a stock smf.
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Other software / Re: SMF, yeah right. (Re: Introduction)
« on May 29th, 2011, 10:26 AM »
Quote from live627 on May 29th, 2011, 01:02 AM
Kind? They were KIND!? The world's ending! An airplane is coming at me!

Well, when Oldies asked me to remove the link/logo, after I replied with questioning about someone else's sig, he went so far as to threaten to do it himself if I didn't comply. That sounds very familiar.
Nobody threatened me. They just removed my signature. Repeatedly. Until I got bored to change it. They never communicated with me, and since I can't communicate with them -- it's really not the kind of behavior you would expect from a bunch of ADULTS.
I mean, I spent the last 9 months working on Wedge. What have they been doing..? WAITING for some people to send signatures! "Oh, we can't do a darn thing before we get these signatures!"
Okay, so now the two missing signatures finally arrive. They go back to work. They fix a few bugs. They announce a release for this month. Then a week later, they stop fixing stuff and just go back to sleep.
They're supposed to release this week. They aren't doing a damn thing.

That's SMF for you. That's their fantastic developer team and great spirit overall.

Anyone who's in charge at sm.org is a cunt to me, unless they cancel my post-ban and restore my rights (badge, forum access, SVN access.)
That's not negotiable. Kicking out vbLamer out of their team is negotiable, but restoring my rights isn't.
And since the current team isn't gonna do any of this, let's be clear about them. In case I haven't been clear so far.

Just because they can put a *smile* on their face when they fuck with you doesn't mean they're not *fucking* with you. See?
So when I'm vocal about them -- I do it in public, so that they can come here and defend themselves if they want. Because I'm perfectly aware that they're not so kind about me in their private boards. Which I can't read. Pussies!

Well, guys? I'm not going to hide whatever you did to me! You ARE cunts, you should resign and apologize to the SMF community for fucking with their best members (not only Pete and I!), or at least condoning whoever did it in the past. By not doing this, and basically by not doing anything at all these last few years, you've been consistently trying to push SMF's level of quality further down into the ground.
Is it something that you should be proud of, really?
Is it something you want to put into your résumé?
"Decision-maker position at SimpleMachines, 20xx" (with xx between 2008 and 2011)
If someone in the know sees this, they'll think, "oh, you're one of the guys who fucked with Pete and Gilles? You're one of the guys responsible for the launch of Wedge? Gee, thanks, but I'd rather hire one of them for that position, not you!"

In all the time that you spent at the top, guys, you could have done something about us. Apologized. Restored. Pledged for quality. Kicked out the bastards. If this isn't done, it's because the bastards are in charge. And the bastards should be known for whatever they do, or precisely do not do.

Again.
That's SMF for you. That's their wonderful management and great spirit overall.
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Other software / Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« on May 29th, 2011, 12:18 AM »
SMF is trademarked... But SM F3 isn't :niark:
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Features / Re: New revs
« on May 29th, 2011, 12:16 AM »
rev 791
(12 files +1-1, 18kb)

* Changed windowbg colors a tiny bit to make them a bit more lively. (index.css)

* wrc-based intertitles now use the h6 tag. Hopefully it shouldn't carry too much weight and can be used any way you like. (index.css)

* Reworked the stats page layout. Both windowbg colors are now used. The first area gets its items reordered in a more logical way. Got rid of title2 blocks in favor of h6. (Stats.template.php, index.css, sections.css)

* Renamed $txt['parent_boards'] to $txt['sub_boards'], to reflect what it's actually used for... (I call that a SMF bug.) (BoardIndex.template.php, MessageIndex.template.php, Wireless.template.php, index.language.php)

* Updated some icons to use the same size as the others. (stats_posters.gif, stats_replies.gif)

- Forgot to delete jQuery 1.4 from the SVN. (jquery-1.4.4.js)

! Glass effect in Zoomedia didn't work in Safari. (zoom.css, zoom.webkit.css)

! Fixed validation error (divs in ths). (Stats.template.php)

* Indenazi. (zoomedia.js)
Posted: May 29th, 2011, 12:14 AM

(Note: rev 792 is a dummy/empty one, due to a wrong manipulation.)
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Other software / Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« on May 28th, 2011, 11:24 PM »
Maybe we should really say that Wedge is the unofficial SMF 3.0 :P
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Off-topic / Re: Wedge support
« on May 28th, 2011, 06:41 PM »
Quote from Soms on May 28th, 2011, 05:31 PM
The reason there are only 37 Wedge friends on FB now is that people still don't know about Wedge, the product.
If you see it this way - how come there were thousands of people jumping all over the place when XenForo was announced? It didn't have screenshots or alphas, I believe it didn't even have any feature lists at the time...
They did some serious marketing work, and that's why vB wanted them dead. (Just like some of the SMF top heads want us dead. Except we didn't do any marketing, we just, ahem, added a link to a signature...)
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Once they see the end product, I am sure you dont need to hire PR company to spread the word.
I'll never hire anyone to do anything anyway. Except in a few cases years ago, I don't trust people who work for money.
(I have nothing against objectivism, but I certainly don't regard free work as slavery/exploitation as long as I feel I'm not wasting my time and I consider the benefits to my soul are on par with the effort invested. Otherwise I wouldn't be working on Wedge.)

What was I saying? Ah yes... It'll have to be word-of-mouth, yeah, like everything I did in my life.
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Some of us noobs with no technical skills are roaming and salivating in the background to spread the word once we get to taste the "forbidden" fruit[1].
 1. SMF is trying its best, some might say its worst, to erase all references to Wedge. I'll bet you a Euro, they will fail as soon as Wedge appears on the scene
Why would I bet against that? :P
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If the product is good, which without a doubt Wedge will be, people will flock to it.
Oh... If it were true, Kyodai Mahjongg would have outsold MoreJongg (I suspect it never did.)
If it were true, Noisen.com would have a thousand blogs by now (at least). I haven't seen anyone new create a blog over there in the last year.
Some things require more than quality to become success stories.

People can very well settle on mediocrity if they never actually heard of anything better than what they know. How do you think Microsoft managed to sell Windows 95 back in the day when better OSes were already out at the time? :P
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Who were the people responsible for some of the most popular mods that drove traffic to SMF in 2009/2010/2011?
Everybody forgot about me. I haven't posted at sm.org for a year (for a reason ::)), so obviously I'm just a vague souvenir for some of the old users at sm.org. I don't expect Wedge's online reputation to be built on top of my 'popularity' in the SMF community. Pete's reputation is more palpable though, if only because he wasn't banned from over there and he kept posting and posting.
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No you are not in the same league as SMF. You are going to probably going to be in a super league of your own before you know it  :eheh:
We can hardly compete with XenForo and such.
Although, price-wise and if we don't consider mods --- we completely blow the competition in terms of features and modernity, yeah, that's for sure.
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Other software / SMF, yeah right. (Re: Introduction)
« on May 28th, 2011, 05:20 PM »
@billy> I read all posts. I don't have something to answer to all of them, though!
Quote from live627 on May 28th, 2011, 10:38 AM
It''s allowed here but condoned over at sm.org because they apparently don't allow links to competitors.
As said before, they allow links and topics about competitors... Just not about *US* in particular.
I'm somehow hoping that enough people will start mentioning Wedge over there that they'll have to give up on the idea of censoring us, our signatures, etc. But OTOH I don't like marketing and stuff. So I'm kinda stuck in between two annoying places in that respect...
Quote from kabo0m on May 28th, 2011, 08:44 AM
I like to keep quiet and just read but I heard about Wedge from a few people I keep connected with because they are smart and informed and teach me a lot about keeping my forum safe.
These are good people. 8-)
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I am so glad that someone is finally doing what I have been wishing someone would do for awhile! Thank you and I can't wait :)
'Someone' was bound to do something... With a codebase such as SMF, many, many talented developers were extremely frustrated to see that it was being maintained by a tank full of manatees picking up hack balls and hoping they'd form a bug fix together. © Trey Parker/Matt Stone.
That codebase is a lot of WASTED potential, if you ask me. We had to take over and put it straight.

See, even when we're in a slow activity period, I still manage to commit more work than their entire dev team together on their best days. That says a lot about their internal team issues.
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By the way, I see some of you have wedge in your signature. Can anyone have that?
The official policy is "do whatever you want", but my own personal policy, for the record, is "please use logos and links as much as you'd like outside Wedge.org, but if you're registered here, there's a chance you're interested in our work so I'd rather we keep the logo to Pete and I's signatures..." Of course this'll never happen so, ah well.
But really, I don't see much of a point in advertising Wedge *on Wedge.org* ;)