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Features / Re: Core/Not Core
« on August 4th, 2011, 08:12 PM »
We never said it'd go ;)
And indeed we can only enhance it in the future.
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Other software / Re: Nao in SMF2 Credits
« on August 4th, 2011, 08:11 PM »
BTW... All SMF-related posts should be in the 'SMF' board. It's there for a reason -- that's the only place where we'll tolerate discussions about the 'past', so that those who don't like reading this kind of topic can easily skip them.
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The Pub / [Archive] Re: Logo Madness
« on August 4th, 2011, 08:09 PM »
This one's a bit more dynamic and metallic. Various color tests.
Posted: August 4th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Quote from CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 01:46 PM
Quote from Bloc on August 4th, 2011, 01:10 PM
You are right, Nao, that the logo I ended up with, was mix of many peoples output..I would recommend using JUST the letters, with some modications to make it stand out - or use a small wedge image. Using big image + text makes it too busy IMHO.
Something like this.
Similar to this, no...?
http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg249975/#msg249975
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Other software / Re: "Paid for" shit & shame on the SMF team
« on August 4th, 2011, 07:15 PM »
She wasn't a teamie back then. Heck she probably wasn't even a member at the time. ::)
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The Pub / [Archive] Re: Logo Madness
« on August 4th, 2011, 03:24 PM »
@CJ> The font I'm using is 'Coolvetica'. It's not exactly the same as Helvetica but close enough.

As for the bubble, I was following on the conversation we had earlier -- i.e. trying out a 'symbol' for Wedge, that wouldn't have to be associated with the name itself. So, the name Wedge was never intended to be put *inside* the bubble, rather next to each (in the same direction as the trail.)
The bubble itself doesn't need to say anything. It's just... that anyone's free to add anything there.
Quote from Bloc on August 4th, 2011, 01:10 PM
Not to burst yer' bubbles lol, but using vector software, while good in itself, is still just a tool. Working in high resolutions with Photoshop have always given me the same freedom as using vector software, which I can't possibly be so creative with.
Does Photoshop give the ability to change the style of an element without undoing other elements? Like a 'personal' undo queue for all elements...
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The "wedge" I made, which you now use as a "boat" ? :)
As a ship, specifically a spaceship as it was how some people viewed it at a time. Probably because you added a Wedge Antilles picture just above the first appearance of the symbol :P
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was a 3d-lit triangular shape of a wedge(stylized) so I would not recommend using as it is now. The lighting is totally wrong(it was lit from the top originally) and it was made to be small(just above the text) and contrast with the text, not on its own. Being on its own require more detail and better shape on it.
I guess so.
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You are right, Nao, that the logo I ended up with, was mix of many peoples output..I would recommend using JUST the letters, with some modications to make it stand out - or use a small wedge image. Using big image + text makes it too busy IMHO.
Agreed, but I have to say that I still love the current header logo very much (the one with Helvetica.)
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Other software / Re: Nao in SMF2 Credits
« on August 4th, 2011, 03:13 PM »
Quote from Artur on August 4th, 2011, 02:32 PM
A found you. So you know, I see. I just thought I'd share with you, as I didn't saw some topic about it. After all the stuff that happened I think it's a nice step to do something like this.
They added me, I believe after I complained about it several times :P

And later they added Brett Flennigan. The odd thing being that I made over 50 commits to the SMF codebase and fixed dozens of bugs during the two months they 'had' me (in every sense of the word.)
Brett, as far as I know, has never made a single commit to SMF. I have no idea why he's listed next to me. Perhaps so I wouldn't feel too "lonely" in that category. How kind ::)
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Features / Re: New revs
« on August 4th, 2011, 03:09 PM »
rev 906
(10 files, 15kb)

+ Added ability to disable prev/next links in page index[1]. This is mostly useful in the message index. (MessageIndex.php, Subs.php)

! A couple of columns were wrongly colored in the admin member list. Also fixed comment typos and optimized styles/classes. (ManageMembers.php)

! Use $context['start'] instead of $_REQUEST['start'] in the message index. (MessageIndex.php)

- Deleted 'list_menu' and 'use_tabs' generic list features, as they're not used in Wedge. Or even in SMF, actually. (Subs-List.php, GenericList.template.php)

! Logic error in media admin JS, as well as a useless .each() call. (mediadmin.js)

- Removed another useless .each() call, this time for img.resized. (theme.js)

- Removed two unused footer classes and a useless ic_login. (index.css, index.rtl.css, sections.css)

+ Added a max-width for images. Should think of a better solution... (index.css)
 1. When calling the function, I mean. That is, it's internal to Wedge.
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Other software / Re: "Paid for" shit & shame on the SMF team
« on August 4th, 2011, 02:15 PM »
Quote from billy2 on August 4th, 2011, 12:10 PM
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Fuck. I don't even know why I still have AeMe online over there...
I thought it was because you were enjoying watching Kindred's support responses  :niark:
I haven't visited that support topic in months. I could care less about supporting anything for *SMF*, really. The software is self-explained, it works well, benefited from years of fine-tuning and bug-fixing, so I don't really 'need' to visit any support topic and fix more bugs really.

Pete, I don't really put the morality of my actions into question when it comes to SMF. I think I could afford to bash them for years before we're even. And I'm not even getting started with the bashing... ::)
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Development blog / Re: A nice kick in the CSS
« on August 4th, 2011, 10:54 AM »
I didn't actually expect to have a converter ready by the time we'd go alpha, so it means that when we actually go alpha, we can start getting bug reports faster than usual. If only because it'll be in use here ;)
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The Pub / [Archive] Re: Logo Madness
« on August 4th, 2011, 10:52 AM »
Quote from Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 10:13 AM
Yeah, I'm the sort of person who habitually finds 'hidden meanings' in things. It's why I tend to overanalyse Doctor Who the way I do.
Ahah yeah.
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Interesting idea. The problem is that it can look very generic and no amount of stylising it is going to change that fact.
Well that's the point of the bubble: it represents a conversation (a forum), and it can contain anything. Well I suppose a couple of our talented artists around here will enjoy giving it a try at the very least. :)
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Other software / Re: "Paid for" shit & shame on the SMF team
« on August 4th, 2011, 10:47 AM »
Quote from Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 09:55 AM
I didn't say that we don't have to fight back, per se, but that if there is retaliation of any kind, it is done with the best information available, and that we do it as ethically as possible - which includes acknowledging their side to the situation.
They don't communicate at all.
The only thing I know is that they censor our stuff.
If that's their way of sharing their feelings.....
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It comes under the category of what the opposition is doing, which is naturally allowed. The caveat of course is that 'as long as the competition isn't Wedge.'
Then they should make it clear. ::)
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Yup. It's all fine for the team to go 'hey, look at what that other system is doing' to indicate how awesome it is, but all bets are off if it happens to be us, and that's always been, and always likely to be, the case.
It's as if it were Jan' 10 again. This time it's 'them' versus Nao, Pete, and all of our ex-teamie friends who felt that Wedge was the only future for SMF. Difference being, at the time the exes were working Jaelta but it never worked out. This time it's called Wedge and it's a real threat to SMF.

They only forgot one thing in this.
In both situations, Jan 10 and Aug 11, the splits happened because the SMF team abused some people (either by forcing them to sign a stupid paper, or exploiting them over and over again), so the SMF team only has ITSELF to blame for.
Actually, the simple fact that they're censoring the Wedge links right now, shouldn't be compared to their relationship with competitors -- it should be compared to how they used to ban people on a whim during the Jan/Feb flame war.

In three words: step back, guys.
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There's a difference between having rules, enforcing rules and telling your users about said rules. Like I said, there weren't any rules I'd been advised about prior to the message from Oldiesmann asking me to remove Wedge from my signature.
But you at least had the courtesy of being contacted about it.
I was not. All of my stuff was always erased behind my back. My signature ---- multiple times --- my website link and my AeMe links.

Basically, they WANT AeMe in SMF because it gives their software an edge over the competition. But they don't want to compete with Wedge, which is actually the future of both AeMe and SMF.

Fuck. I don't even know why I still have AeMe online over there...

Even my posts. They're not contributions. Give that to a lawyer, anyone will laugh at them.
Remove my 6000 posts, guys. It's my right. I wrote them, I own them. I don't owe you shit.
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I'd have been fine to comply with rules if I'd seen a shred of evidence to validate the fact that this was a rule that applied equally to everyone, as opposed to what feels like it was made up on the spot.
Yep.
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Oh, don't even get me started about the Core Values bullshit. I demonstrated that vbgamer had broken just about every single core value on the list, but every single point was argued - by Kindred, no less - as being not important.

After the January 2010 drama+BS, every returning and every new team member was supposed to electronically sign an agreement, including promising to adhere to the Core Values. You can obviously see how well that worked out.
Sigh.
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But they don't acknowledge that.
If you did that, would you openly admit it?
Well, I don't do that kind of shit, for starters.
And yeah, I'll happily admit any kicks to the groin that I gave to anyone in my life. Any undeserved and unjust actions, I'll admit happily. I'm not a kid anymore.
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Here, the only way I can see it is that they've taken a rule that was never fully explained, broadened its horizons to suit, and applied it to us. The best bit was that when I argued this originally, Kindred explained to me that the 'no competition' rule was something I should have known about at the time, because of the no-competitive-ads rule. At that point, I actually gave up trying to argue with him because the rules don't seem to apply in his brain properly.

Then you have things like: http://www.bryandeakin.com/index.php/topic,941.msg9346.html#msg9346 going on.
I couldn't help but reply.
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I'll let you make of that what you will, but for someone who hasn't told any actual lies, per se, I'd say he's done a decent bit of skirting the truth on occasion, and he has actually implicated RR in libel, on the basis of claiming that Les (ARG) was actually RR being a troll under another name. (Which means, if you're going to call someone out like that, you really, really should be able to back up your assertion especially when it doesn't take much to refute it.)
Yeah, I remember that, too. It's not hard -- just a few days ago.
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The Pub / [Archive] Re: Logo Madness
« on August 4th, 2011, 10:09 AM »
@Pete> Err... Well, I suppose the logic of it made sense by then. But right now I just hate that green logo :P


Oh, I forgot to say.

I have an 'idea' of a nice little symbol which would both represent Wedge as a simple machine *and* a forum (which SMF never did in its logo, eh.)

A speech bubble, where the tail is directed towards the word 'wedge', and the tail itself is a wedge coming out of the bubble. Or, alternatively, is a wedge going inside the bubble, but it's harder to make it stand as a speech bubble then.

Okay, here are some mockups... (Thank you Google Images :P)

:edit: Fixed the square one.
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The Pub / [Archive] Re: Logo Madness
« on August 4th, 2011, 09:49 AM »
@DrMalboro> No, handwriting = unreadable. Even the most readable of all (like the official Noisen.com logo) aren't that great IMHO for a 'serious' software package. Well, unless you have anything to suggest.
Quote from ARG on August 3rd, 2011, 11:18 PM
A wedge is an object that forces one section into two sections or separates two sections from each other.
Not really. Well, it is, but Wedge has many meanings. This is just the original one -- its definition as a 'simple machine' after all. But to each their own: just because a wedge is a simple machine doesn't mean our logo has to be a simple machine.
I mean, in my own mind, I think of 'wedge' as an 'orange wedge', i.e. a slice. Anything that has 'the shape of a wedge'. So it's not a 'cale' as we'd say in French, but a 'quartier'. Which, amusingly (err, for me), would translate back into English as 'quarter'. So that's probably why I started calling boards and blogs 'wedges' at some point -- because they're 'quarters' for people.
Of course, being understandable only for bilingual speakers, it wasn't really that funny to begin with.

Still, my point is that I don't want to systematically use a wedge (simple machine) for a logo.
DirtRider had this strange one at some point: http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg249665/#msg249665
It's not a wedge at all. It still looks simple and nice.
Bloc made, on the page before that one, a logo where the 'w' was the start of a square root (√). Which I really like, because 'wedge' is also a mathematical symbol.

Now, if you look a bit below the page linked above, you'll find my first attempts at a 'symbol'. First, an Earth from which a *slice* was removed.



I liked it, but no feedback.
Then I made a cog.




Again, no feedback.


Then, Bloc posted his original attempt with the wedge/ship: http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg249975/#msg249975
And it's the first thing that excited Pete.
From then on, we stayed in that direction and I lost interest progressively.
Meh.
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If you ask me I would put the actual wedge image to the side for a wile and try some alternate options to go along with the text. I mean, does the logo object really need to be an actual wedge?
Again, no :P
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Other software / Re: "Paid for" shit.
« on August 4th, 2011, 09:36 AM »
Quote from Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 09:23 AM
To be fair to them,
Do we really NEED to be fair to them? Why do we always have to be the good guys, the ones that don't ban anyone, the ones that don't fight back?
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the only times I've seen a link to the competition sites, are:
1. In adverts, so that they can be banned via Google AdSense.
2. Pointing out something the competition have done, that's cool or neat, or stupid.
Like xenForo being an existing competitive software that was just about to be released...............
.........Tell me, isn't that what Wedge is about?
Interesteding how it isn't allowed to discussing the upcoming Wedge when the up and coming xenForo was all the right over there?
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=394724.0
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=404068.0

In contrast, no one seems to be bothered with Illori's outstanding post:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=200401.msg3104124;topicseen#msg3104124
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any posts about wedge will not appear on this forum as we do not allow advertising for other forums here.
(Confirmed by the Kin as he posted just a couple of posts below that one without contradicting it.)
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You're not abusing your rights: it's your website after all. But at the same time it is always going to be controversial - even if we'd ended up a totally friendly fork, I doubt they'd have let links be in there.
I don't mind if they remove our links, yes it's their website, yes they dictate the rules, like we do.

But if they do, then they should also remove:

- their pseudo 'Core Values' page. They never stop violating most of them. As soon as a flame war erupts, they just don't give a shit about these 'values' anymore. I'm tempted to think no one in the team ever read them. If you're going to edict a series of rules to convince people you're so cool, then either live by them or die with them!

- all links to all other forum packages, including friendly forks and paid-for competitors. Otherwise it's clearly an attack against us.
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You know them: they'll make the rules to suit themselves, because that's what's always been done.
But they don't acknowledge that.
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Other software / Re: "Paid for" shit.
« on August 4th, 2011, 09:16 AM »
Quote from Arantor on August 2nd, 2011, 09:24 AM
I know, I know, pick me, pick me!

Here's a couple of clues:

The person who reported it was very adamant that he wasn't going to adhere to being told he couldn't use SMG on his site. And a very, very long, pointless and stupid argument ensued, and it was public too.
And a very funny one at that.
Yes, it would seem you are right on. :whistle:
The name of their overzealous informer is Akyhne.
He already was a shameless backstabbing jerk last year. He still is.
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The person who I understand to have changed it is not the project manager and not a Customizer, and therefore should have had nothing the hell to do with it. That said, the Customizer team are the ones charged with maintaining the mod site and we all know how up to the task they are at present...
Absolutely.

That person's name starts with a "Kin", and ends with a "dred".
He's already the one who post-banned me and later stripped me of my Friend status, SVN read rights and beta testing reporting rights.

All in all, he's got a mission: to kill SMF faster than *we* could. For instance by listening to an idiot's complaints about me, and thus ensuring Aeva Media will be removed from their website.
I've always been wondering whether I'd do that. They simply made it clear that *they* wanted it too.
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I'm not even surprised that either of the individuals involved are actually involved. I'm more annoyed that they won't 'fess up to it or at the very least bother to tell either of us what's going on. (Interesting point, then, why haven't they censored AeMe itself since last I saw of it, it had an active link here...)
Well, I assume the guy wanted to make sure the update got unnoticed. Of course, it would have been less obvious had he correctly left the closing center tag in.

As per their site rules, mods may contain advertising material in them.
Actually, their site never mentions that we can't link to the competition. There is NOT A SINGLE PLACE on the sm.org website where they say they'll censor links. Which they do!
Heck, after the tremendous amount of work we both put into SMF for many years, I feel it's only natural they should leave us do what we feel we can do.

Does ANYONE here think that I'm abusing my 'rights' by putting a link to wedge.org in my WEBSITE LINK? Which, as far as I know, is used by everyone to link to THEIR website? And does anyone here think that my website is anything else than wedge.org, considering I'm blogging here and I'm spending all of my days here?
Why are they not removing links to IPB, vBulletin or xenForo then?