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Other software / Re: Fork discussion at SMF
« on August 16th, 2011, 07:15 PM »
What were the original terms?
All I'm seeing now, is that they're willing to discuss any "open source" forks... But once again they're not linking to Wedge (spelt as "wedge" there) in the topic with the list of forks.
(It's always funny, considering that if I hadn't announced Nightwish's fork on Wedge, it wouldn't be listed over there in the first place :lol:)
Now, when it comes to their 'open source' clause. Do they include Wedge in it or not? That's the interesting question.
If they do, then good, you can skip the rest.
If they don't, they're being hypocritical on several levels.
1/ Wedge is the most advanced of all known existing forks. It's bound to eventually become the most discussed piece of software on that board...
2/ Just have a look at the Internet Archive.
http://web.archive.org/web/20090618104338/http://www.simplemachines.org/about/opensource.php
The very last sentence says, "But see our software as Open Source."
That's about the SMF 1.x license. Which is the same one we've based the Wedge license on.
When you consider your own software to be open source, and you refuse to discuss another software that has the exact same license because "it's not open source", then it's hypocritical. And if they eventually change their terms to say 'not BSD', that means they've read this, proving they didn't write their terms out of some 'reasonable' discussion based on facts, but simply on the fact that we're the ones doing the fork. It's up to them to show they're actually cool about us. Otherwise when do they expect the hostility to cease?
Just my 2 cents!
All I'm seeing now, is that they're willing to discuss any "open source" forks... But once again they're not linking to Wedge (spelt as "wedge" there) in the topic with the list of forks.
(It's always funny, considering that if I hadn't announced Nightwish's fork on Wedge, it wouldn't be listed over there in the first place :lol:)
Now, when it comes to their 'open source' clause. Do they include Wedge in it or not? That's the interesting question.
If they do, then good, you can skip the rest.
If they don't, they're being hypocritical on several levels.
1/ Wedge is the most advanced of all known existing forks. It's bound to eventually become the most discussed piece of software on that board...
2/ Just have a look at the Internet Archive.
http://web.archive.org/web/20090618104338/http://www.simplemachines.org/about/opensource.php
The very last sentence says, "But see our software as Open Source."
That's about the SMF 1.x license. Which is the same one we've based the Wedge license on.
When you consider your own software to be open source, and you refuse to discuss another software that has the exact same license because "it's not open source", then it's hypocritical. And if they eventually change their terms to say 'not BSD', that means they've read this, proving they didn't write their terms out of some 'reasonable' discussion based on facts, but simply on the fact that we're the ones doing the fork. It's up to them to show they're actually cool about us. Otherwise when do they expect the hostility to cease?
Just my 2 cents!
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: MySQL only!
« on August 16th, 2011, 07:04 PM »
I... I really need to have Wedge ready and out by the end of the year. It's becoming an obsession to me.
I don't know what I'll do AFTER that (I'm certainly not going to provide support for it, but I'll do my best to keep developing & debugging it), but I know I want phase one to be over...
I don't know what I'll do AFTER that (I'm certainly not going to provide support for it, but I'll do my best to keep developing & debugging it), but I know I want phase one to be over...
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Off-topic / Re: To fork or not to fork - in other words: Hi :)
« on August 16th, 2011, 07:03 PM »
Yeah, the only detail is that it gets documented in the changelog for everyone to laugh at you...
Okay, I'm being paranoid, the changelog has something like 5 regular readers :lol:
Okay, I'm being paranoid, the changelog has something like 5 regular readers :lol:
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The Pub / Re: Jump box and its stupid Go button
« on August 16th, 2011, 07:00 PM »
So true, Pete :lol:
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The Pub / Re: What about mobile?
« on August 16th, 2011, 06:57 PM »
...It should also be pointed that Wedge's default theme is optimized for any kinds of resolutions. The sidebar is moved aside on the fly, font size is bigger, things like that. It makes for a pleasant, if not perfect, experience, out of the box.
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Features / Re: These two bytes may not matter to you...
« on August 16th, 2011, 06:06 PM »
Okay, I'm currently looking into doing a mass replace from 'smf_' to 'we_' in the codebase...
There are about 700 occurrences, I'm checking them manually and then I'll do the replacement.
So far so good, but apparently sessions are named smf_sess_*. Do you think it's still okay to replace them? I mean, at the worst it'll reset the session, right...?
Oh, and I know it means we can take even less code verbatim from other versions of SMF... But do we really need to?
There are about 700 occurrences, I'm checking them manually and then I'll do the replacement.
So far so good, but apparently sessions are named smf_sess_*. Do you think it's still okay to replace them? I mean, at the worst it'll reset the session, right...?
Oh, and I know it means we can take even less code verbatim from other versions of SMF... But do we really need to?
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Off-topic / Re: To fork or not to fork - in other words: Hi :)
« on August 16th, 2011, 05:09 PM »
You were surprisingly very keen and quick to adjust to my incredibly demanding standards, while being willing to overlook my occasional little blunders ;)
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The Pub / [Archive] Re: Logo Madness
« on August 16th, 2011, 05:05 PM »
Lets reword it. I am not 100% happy with any of the logos ;)
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The Pub / [Archive] Re: Logo Madness
« on August 16th, 2011, 05:00 PM »
Yeah, it's f'ing hard to come up with something that look cool, professional and is readable at any size and background color...
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The Pub / Re: Jump box and its stupid Go button
« on August 16th, 2011, 04:58 PM »
I think we all agree on that :)
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Off-topic / Re: To fork or not to fork - in other words: Hi :)
« on August 16th, 2011, 04:57 PM »
Well technically I'm doing the same on your commits these days... Good thing i have commit access :niark:
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: MySQL only!
« on August 16th, 2011, 04:51 PM »
Take your time then.
Health is more important. Says Nao who's killing himself on the job :lol:
Health is more important. Says Nao who's killing himself on the job :lol:
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Features: Forward thinking / Re: MySQL only!
« on August 16th, 2011, 04:46 PM »
Poor people.
Hey Pete, I think there are a couple of topics waiting for your feedback if you have two minutes ;)
Hey Pete, I think there are a couple of topics waiting for your feedback if you have two minutes ;)
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Features / Re: Support for PECL Memcached
« on August 16th, 2011, 04:44 PM »
Isn't it only a few lines in get_cache or something in the Subs-Cache.php file...?