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The Pub / Re: Logo Madness
« on April 7th, 2012, 04:16 PM »
Continued here.
http://wedge.org/pub/7328/bloc-madness/
http://wedge.org/pub/7328/bloc-madness/
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The Pub / Re : Bloc Madness
« on April 7th, 2012, 04:12 PM »
It has been said that I've been "brutal" to Bloc, even though I only wrote 3 lines in total on the last page. I figured I might as well post this longer message if, whatever I say, I'm seen as 'brutal'...
As for myself, I only ever joined another fork's forum -- EosAlpha -- and only posted to praise it. Of course, the fact that I have a link to Wedge in my signature can be seen as a shameful attempt to bring in more users, but that'd be preposterous -- Nightwish doesn't do anything to get people to have a look at his fork, and instead we at Wedge have been doing most of his marketing, offering it as a 'realistic' alternative to Wedge.
Mind you, we'd have done the same for ViennaBBS if we'd had any reason to believe it was going to be a reality. But the only thing that you released for ViennaBBS, is your logo (and even then, it's only on your blog, not on your official website...)
Yes, it took me 62 pages to find the perfect logo (reply #921) -- but unlike you, I have absolutely zero design skills, and I'm working hard to find it in me to do something inspiring. The fact that I made all of the skins available at wedge.org, all of the logos, all of the design concepts, is proof enough that I'm willing to work hard to overcome my weaknesses. It'd be much easier for me to just focus on things I can easily do (JavaScript and PHP) and just let Wedge look like another clone of SMF.
So that's what I did. In the meantime, all we got from you on the subject of ViennaBBS is wind. How many times did you declare on your blog that you never really planned to make a fork? That ViennaBBS was just a 'toy' for you to play with? Just like your themes. You remove them at will, regardless of what your paying users might have to say. (I may have stopped work on Aeva Media nearly two years ago -- but I issued security updates and left it online for everyone to enjoy. Because it's THAT easy to do, and THAT important if you have any respect for your users who, let's just say it clearly, also make you what you are.)
So, yes, apologies are in order. Keep working on ViennaBBS. Pete only wanted you to realize you were wasting your time (and your users') because no one will ever use some forum software that looks good and can disappear overnight because the developer decided he wasn't in the mood. But who are we to say. Enjoy your waste of time. In a few years' time, users will be running SMF, Eos and Wedge. And they'll have no idea what Vienna looks like, because they 'never went there'. I'm talking about the city, of course, because they'll never have heard of ViennaBBS *at all*.
As for myself, I only ever joined another fork's forum -- EosAlpha -- and only posted to praise it. Of course, the fact that I have a link to Wedge in my signature can be seen as a shameful attempt to bring in more users, but that'd be preposterous -- Nightwish doesn't do anything to get people to have a look at his fork, and instead we at Wedge have been doing most of his marketing, offering it as a 'realistic' alternative to Wedge.
Mind you, we'd have done the same for ViennaBBS if we'd had any reason to believe it was going to be a reality. But the only thing that you released for ViennaBBS, is your logo (and even then, it's only on your blog, not on your official website...)
Yes, it took me 62 pages to find the perfect logo (reply #921) -- but unlike you, I have absolutely zero design skills, and I'm working hard to find it in me to do something inspiring. The fact that I made all of the skins available at wedge.org, all of the logos, all of the design concepts, is proof enough that I'm willing to work hard to overcome my weaknesses. It'd be much easier for me to just focus on things I can easily do (JavaScript and PHP) and just let Wedge look like another clone of SMF.
So that's what I did. In the meantime, all we got from you on the subject of ViennaBBS is wind. How many times did you declare on your blog that you never really planned to make a fork? That ViennaBBS was just a 'toy' for you to play with? Just like your themes. You remove them at will, regardless of what your paying users might have to say. (I may have stopped work on Aeva Media nearly two years ago -- but I issued security updates and left it online for everyone to enjoy. Because it's THAT easy to do, and THAT important if you have any respect for your users who, let's just say it clearly, also make you what you are.)
So, yes, apologies are in order. Keep working on ViennaBBS. Pete only wanted you to realize you were wasting your time (and your users') because no one will ever use some forum software that looks good and can disappear overnight because the developer decided he wasn't in the mood. But who are we to say. Enjoy your waste of time. In a few years' time, users will be running SMF, Eos and Wedge. And they'll have no idea what Vienna looks like, because they 'never went there'. I'm talking about the city, of course, because they'll never have heard of ViennaBBS *at all*.
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Bug reports / Re: Board order issues
« on April 6th, 2012, 11:41 PM »
And so it's also a SMF bug, right?
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Archived fixes / Re: Split topic appears to trip Bad Behaviour
« on April 6th, 2012, 11:40 PM »
(Fixed indeed.)
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Bug reports / Re: Board order issues
« on April 6th, 2012, 10:49 PM »
So that's a bug right...?
As for board order -- what exactly should be expected?
BTW, I updated the site to rev 1545.
As for board order -- what exactly should be expected?
BTW, I updated the site to rev 1545.
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Archived fixes / Re: Split topic appears to trip Bad Behaviour
« on April 6th, 2012, 10:38 PM »
That's it :)
Not on my pc so I can't upload btw. Sorry.
Posted: April 6th, 2012, 10:37 PM
Not on my pc so I can't upload btw. Sorry.
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Archived fixes / Re: Split topic appears to trip Bad Behaviour
« on April 6th, 2012, 10:16 PM »
Okay! It's nit that!
Look at querystring.php, I actually change the request var for the host to contain the board name. It's a technique I used to simplify other calculations. Iirc I save the actual host in another variable. You should take that into account or just change the method I used to something that fits you best.
Look at querystring.php, I actually change the request var for the host to contain the board name. It's a technique I used to simplify other calculations. Iirc I save the actual host in another variable. You should take that into account or just change the method I used to something that fits you best.
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Archived fixes / Re: Split topic appears to trip Bad Behaviour
« on April 6th, 2012, 08:57 PM »
Uh. How strange. I'm using the latest 'official' Opera really...
And why pub/bugs anyway? It should be using the splittopics URL...?
And why pub/bugs anyway? It should be using the splittopics URL...?
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Archived fixes / Re: Split topic appears to trip Bad Behaviour
« on April 6th, 2012, 08:48 PM »
Up!
And running... Topic 'split'.
Posted: April 6th, 2012, 08:47 PM
And running... Topic 'split'.
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Features / Re: New revs
« on April 6th, 2012, 06:37 PM »
rev 1543
(4 files, 6kb)
! Fixed spellchecker. To do this, I moved the main JavaScript file list building to a function of its own, weInitJS (seriously, feel free to rename it to something that looks like a standard...) This is because this code is skipped when the index template isn't loaded, which shouldn't ALWAYS happen -- e.g. the spellchecker. (Load.php, Post.template.php)
! Also fixed the 'Play again' link in Captcha, while I was at it. (Register.template.php)
* More editor size optimizations. Saved about 30 bytes or so by moving onComplete calls to their matching sendXMLDocument. (editor.js)
(4 files, 6kb)
! Fixed spellchecker. To do this, I moved the main JavaScript file list building to a function of its own, weInitJS (seriously, feel free to rename it to something that looks like a standard...) This is because this code is skipped when the index template isn't loaded, which shouldn't ALWAYS happen -- e.g. the spellchecker. (Load.php, Post.template.php)
! Also fixed the 'Play again' link in Captcha, while I was at it. (Register.template.php)
* More editor size optimizations. Saved about 30 bytes or so by moving onComplete calls to their matching sendXMLDocument. (editor.js)
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Archived fixes / Re: Split topic appears to trip Bad Behaviour
« on April 6th, 2012, 05:33 PM »
Okay!
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Features / Re: timeformat annoys me...
« on April 6th, 2012, 04:56 PM »Yay, dates are just as much of a shit to cope with as timezones are!
When I when to change my time format, I noticed that my timezone was set to UTC/Dublin. No Paris in there. Looked into the list... No Paris either. Uh. After checking with Windows -- the Amsterdam (CET+1) timezone is different from the Brussels/Paris timezone (although also at CET+1). And it doesn't seem to be handled by Wedge at all...?
Isn't this a complete list of all timezones?
Also, is the fact that I was by default on UTC/Dublin due to me probably not going to that area before, and thus having no default timezone...? Because I saved my time format, and didn't notice the timezone at that moment, and I immediately got an incorrect forum time (well, YOUR correct forum time if you prefer :P). I had to go back to the page and noticed that it was Dublin by default.
I can already see the amount of support messages about this one...
Consider this: April 1 - that's mostly how the Americans write it, and it's wrong, because it should really be April 1st, never mind the implied but missing 'the' in the middle that you mention.
But the English get it wrong too. We tend to write 1 April or 1st April, but that's linguistically wrong too - it's really '1st (of) April' with the implication of 'day' being in there.
Fortunately most people aren't anal enough to care about this and don't really notice it when it's 1 April or April 1 with or without the suffix, it's only those of us who *really* put in the attention to detail that would even notice, let alone do anything about it.
(For the record, it's something I'd like to see done right too, but I didn't know enough about how other languages did it to make a judgement call on how it should be done)
But it can be optimized I suppose...
For instance, we could benchmark multiple strftime calls against something like explode(' ', strftime('%m %d %y %h %i %s')) (and the equivalent date()), with subsequent use of $txt['days'], $txt['months'] or things like that...
Thing is, I have no idea whether strftime is THAT slow. It seemed pretty pointless to try and optimize it further after I noticed that it took over 30.000 calls to timeformat() to get it to take a second to execute...!
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Features / Re: timeformat annoys me...
« on April 6th, 2012, 04:35 PM »Is there not an actual linguistic equivalent in French for 2nd? I always thought there was.
We have this list:
Premier, second (but we can also say "deuxième", they're both correct), troisième, quatrième, cinquième, sixième...
1er, 2nd (2ème), 3ème, 4ème, 5ème....
Basically, our "ème" is your "th", and we have "er" and "nd", BUT, this is only for enumerating things... When it comes to dates, we don't say "Avril le second", we say "Le deux avril", whether written or orally. So that is, "2 avril". But April 1st is "Le premier avril", so "1er avril". Seeing "1 avril" is grammatically incorrect in French (we can't say "Le un avril"), which is why I could never stand how French dates are implemented in computer systems in general... And everytime we roll back to the 1st of a month, I immediately cringe at the "1 (month name)" in the topic list...
And sadly there isn't a good way around this one - normally it's not a huge problem because most of the time we only have _1 and _n strings in English which will naturally be overridden in other languages. I don't think you can get around it, unless you drop it in English entirely and just leave it in other languages if they want to do so.
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Features / Re: timeformat annoys me...
« on April 6th, 2012, 04:14 PM »
So, I implemented the stuff and it works.
I named it %@ so that it doesn't clash with other names.
It should be noted, however, that I met a bug in Wedge's number_context() that I won't be able to fix without rethinking the whole thing.
Indeed, let's say I define custom lines for _n, _1, _2 and _3 in English (which is the case here obviously.) And custom lines for _n and _1 in French (it only needs 'premier/1er').
Now, what happens if you're in French mode and asking to convert an April 2 date?
Well I'll tell you. It won't find a custom _2 in the French language, but because it loads the English file as well, it does find it in English, and thus I find myself with a beautiful "2nd avril" as the date... Argh.
Any ideas, Pete? Having to add dummy entries for other languages (i.e. just reproduce what _n does in _2, _3, _21, _22, _23 and _31) is a sad waste of time and space... It does seems like the only 'logical' solution, but it certainly hurts extensibility a bit.
I named it %@ so that it doesn't clash with other names.
It should be noted, however, that I met a bug in Wedge's number_context() that I won't be able to fix without rethinking the whole thing.
Indeed, let's say I define custom lines for _n, _1, _2 and _3 in English (which is the case here obviously.) And custom lines for _n and _1 in French (it only needs 'premier/1er').
Now, what happens if you're in French mode and asking to convert an April 2 date?
Well I'll tell you. It won't find a custom _2 in the French language, but because it loads the English file as well, it does find it in English, and thus I find myself with a beautiful "2nd avril" as the date... Argh.
Any ideas, Pete? Having to add dummy entries for other languages (i.e. just reproduce what _n does in _2, _3, _21, _22, _23 and _31) is a sad waste of time and space... It does seems like the only 'logical' solution, but it certainly hurts extensibility a bit.