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The Pub / Re: Bloc Madness
« on August 1st, 2012, 02:22 PM »
Sure, competition is good. But I don't really care about competition. I completely respect EosAlpha and SMF 2.1 developers, but I don't have any plans to look into them, or to let them influence Wedge. (Which is why I'm not installing them.)
Although I never expected much out of ViennaBBS... I always felt that it was basically "SMF, with a modern theme and a few ideas taken from the Wedge to-do list."
Bloc has a good knowledge of the SMF codebase overall -- don't forget that he's behind Core and Curve, among others... (I'm not sure about Babylon? He made Themis for sure, too. I always liked that theme back in the day... But I think my favorite overall is still Babylon.)
But, well, what you gonna do about that... Guess what, he closed the ViennaBBS website down. Again. So, one can't read that particular blog post anymore, lol. Now it's redirecting without warning to Blocweb, where he replaced his latest theme with Carbonate, which I find uninspired compared to his other recent works. I wouldn't even bother to mention that, but it really strikes me as odd that he'd replace a good-looking theme with an inferior one. (Seriously... Trebuchet MS all over the place?! It's so 2010, especially in that font size and weight...)
Although I never expected much out of ViennaBBS... I always felt that it was basically "SMF, with a modern theme and a few ideas taken from the Wedge to-do list."
Bloc has a good knowledge of the SMF codebase overall -- don't forget that he's behind Core and Curve, among others... (I'm not sure about Babylon? He made Themis for sure, too. I always liked that theme back in the day... But I think my favorite overall is still Babylon.)
But, well, what you gonna do about that... Guess what, he closed the ViennaBBS website down. Again. So, one can't read that particular blog post anymore, lol. Now it's redirecting without warning to Blocweb, where he replaced his latest theme with Carbonate, which I find uninspired compared to his other recent works. I wouldn't even bother to mention that, but it really strikes me as odd that he'd replace a good-looking theme with an inferior one. (Seriously... Trebuchet MS all over the place?! It's so 2010, especially in that font size and weight...)
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Off-topic / Re: The Internet Map
« on August 1st, 2012, 01:08 PM »
Not surprising, given the sheer size of it...
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Features / Re: Plugin revs
« on August 1st, 2012, 01:07 PM »
rev 43
(1 file, 1kb)
! [theme_selector] Fixed plugin with the recent weUrl() rewrite. (ThemeSelector.php)
(1 file, 1kb)
! [theme_selector] Fixed plugin with the recent weUrl() rewrite. (ThemeSelector.php)
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The Pub / Re: Bloc Madness
« on July 31st, 2012, 09:28 PM »
- Bloc had read access to the SVN, but I'm not sure he ever tested it.
- His post on viennabbs basically says that he's giving up on ViennaBBS ('again?'), and focusing on SMF. His comment on Wedge is, I'm afraid, here to stay... It has to be said, though, that he made a similar post on blocweb and it's more acceptable/understandable.
(Hey Pete! 11k posts! Congrats!)
- His post on viennabbs basically says that he's giving up on ViennaBBS ('again?'), and focusing on SMF. His comment on Wedge is, I'm afraid, here to stay... It has to be said, though, that he made a similar post on blocweb and it's more acceptable/understandable.
(Hey Pete! 11k posts! Congrats!)
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Off-topic / Re: The Internet Map
« on July 31st, 2012, 08:56 PM »
Lol, I read about it earlier today but didn't even care to check... ;)
We're right next to sm.org which is bigger... And next to Nokia, which is between YouTube and Google, amusing...
Blue = French, I suppose...? It probably sorts sites by IP.
As for our rank, I guess it's based upon our Alexa score, because we're at around ~230k these days, while my other sites are > 500k.
How to find us by scrolling...
Scroll on the middle, find YouTube, find the biggest purple/strawberry circle on its bottom left (Google Turkey?!), zoom in, go to the left until you find Nokia (in green), the big blue sphere to its top left is SMF, and in the right of it is Wedge... ;)
We're right next to sm.org which is bigger... And next to Nokia, which is between YouTube and Google, amusing...
Blue = French, I suppose...? It probably sorts sites by IP.
As for our rank, I guess it's based upon our Alexa score, because we're at around ~230k these days, while my other sites are > 500k.
Posted: July 31st, 2012, 08:50 PM
How to find us by scrolling...
Scroll on the middle, find YouTube, find the biggest purple/strawberry circle on its bottom left (Google Turkey?!), zoom in, go to the left until you find Nokia (in green), the big blue sphere to its top left is SMF, and in the right of it is Wedge... ;)
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Archived fixes / Re: Theme selector broken + more...
« on July 31st, 2012, 08:35 AM »
So...
@Nightwish: the theme selector bug was added this week. It's because I changed the weUrl() format. I made sure that nothing in Wedge relied on the old format, but I forgot to double-check the existing plugins. Turned out that both MultiAttach and SkinSelector were indeed relying upon it, so MultiAttach was easily fixed but SkinSelector took a bit more time. I think it's not entirely fixed yet.
The Wuthering (and Wine, and Warm) bug is something I was aware of. I 'added' this bug last week when doing gradient work on the main background for Weaving, trying to get rid of the gradient PNG, but it didn't work as I expected, so I did a revert but forgot to revert the main gradient line. In the meantime I got a PC crash, lost my work-in-progress tracking, and forgot to work on that one... So, I just removed the gradient yesterday and now the header for Wine doesn't look great, but I was planning to rework it anyway, as I don't like the idea of it relying on a 'trick' just to show the 'right' color...
@Pete, I worry about plugins ;) I just don't worry TOO much about them... I know they're not 'out' yet, as Wedge isn't, but at least it gives me a pretty accurate idea of how I'll have to deal with existing plugins once Wedge is out and I decide to change this or that... It definitely means that Wedge needs to be as close as possible to completion before we release it. That way, we'll avoid this kind of awkward situation... (OTOH, I wouldn't have modified weUrl() that easily if we were out.)
@Nightwish: the theme selector bug was added this week. It's because I changed the weUrl() format. I made sure that nothing in Wedge relied on the old format, but I forgot to double-check the existing plugins. Turned out that both MultiAttach and SkinSelector were indeed relying upon it, so MultiAttach was easily fixed but SkinSelector took a bit more time. I think it's not entirely fixed yet.
The Wuthering (and Wine, and Warm) bug is something I was aware of. I 'added' this bug last week when doing gradient work on the main background for Weaving, trying to get rid of the gradient PNG, but it didn't work as I expected, so I did a revert but forgot to revert the main gradient line. In the meantime I got a PC crash, lost my work-in-progress tracking, and forgot to work on that one... So, I just removed the gradient yesterday and now the header for Wine doesn't look great, but I was planning to rework it anyway, as I don't like the idea of it relying on a 'trick' just to show the 'right' color...
@Pete, I worry about plugins ;) I just don't worry TOO much about them... I know they're not 'out' yet, as Wedge isn't, but at least it gives me a pretty accurate idea of how I'll have to deal with existing plugins once Wedge is out and I decide to change this or that... It definitely means that Wedge needs to be as close as possible to completion before we release it. That way, we'll avoid this kind of awkward situation... (OTOH, I wouldn't have modified weUrl() that easily if we were out.)
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The Pub / Re: Bloc Madness
« on July 30th, 2012, 07:50 PM »
Oh... Don't tell me Bloc has any influence left on you! :^^;:
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Features / Re: Github & stuff
« on July 30th, 2012, 07:32 PM »
Yeah, and as such it promotes strong conflicts... :P
Okay, a question for git specialists...
I tried changing my e-mail address (which is freely viewable because of the git commits, duh!) into nao@wedge (a dummy one), and followed the instructions here using a github-sponsored gist:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/750172/how-do-i-change-the-author-of-a-commit-in-git
As a result, here's the log I have now in my local and remote repos... Great.
Now, how do I:
- Get rid of the extra... what is it, branch? (Which still shows my e-mail address!!)
- Clean this up on my github repo so that it doesn't show these rewrites as new commits...?!
PS: as you can see, I tried adding numeric tags to my commits as an attempt to make it 'look like svn'... :-/
Okay, a question for git specialists...
I tried changing my e-mail address (which is freely viewable because of the git commits, duh!) into nao@wedge (a dummy one), and followed the instructions here using a github-sponsored gist:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/750172/how-do-i-change-the-author-of-a-commit-in-git
As a result, here's the log I have now in my local and remote repos... Great.
Now, how do I:
- Get rid of the extra... what is it, branch? (Which still shows my e-mail address!!)
- Clean this up on my github repo so that it doesn't show these rewrites as new commits...?!
PS: as you can see, I tried adding numeric tags to my commits as an attempt to make it 'look like svn'... :-/
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The Pub / Re: Bloc Madness
« on July 30th, 2012, 07:01 PM »
Yeah...
I actually tried registering earlier to respond, and it sent a confirmation e-mail to a dummy address so I didn't bother to re-register under another name... It's not worth it anyway.
I can't help but think that half of ViennaBBS's "original features" are 'inspired' by my work on Wedge... Probably not, but considering how he dislikes my theming capabilities, it's always funny to see his new themes are closer in spirit to Wedge than SMF...
I actually tried registering earlier to respond, and it sent a confirmation e-mail to a dummy address so I didn't bother to re-register under another name... It's not worth it anyway.
I can't help but think that half of ViennaBBS's "original features" are 'inspired' by my work on Wedge... Probably not, but considering how he dislikes my theming capabilities, it's always funny to see his new themes are closer in spirit to Wedge than SMF...
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The Pub / Re: Bloc Madness
« on July 30th, 2012, 06:38 PM »
Why would he dump ViennaBBS on Deejay...? He has only two posts over at that forum.
Pete, it's indeed a waste of time, but with some pop-corn it's still enjoyable :P
Oh, BTW, a similar WTF topic:
http://www.viennabbs.org/index.php?topic=42.0
Bloc:
"Wedge (...) has 2 devs so utterly sure they can do everything better themselves that I left in a - sadly - agitated state."
We never said that, of course. But if he thinks it, it must be the truth...
"Wedge is..well, not sure where its going now, maybe as a more of a SMF tweakers choice? Certainly not a themers choice lol, its gotten way too code-centric already. They want to improve things all over, good, but theres nthing new there really, just rewrites..IMHO anyway, others may disagree of course."
A tweaker's choice, I guess that would be either ViennaBBS or EosAlpha, since Wedge ditched compatibility with SMF from day one...!
Code-centric, I've never seen such a bad analysis. Wedge is WAY better than SMF and ViennaBBS when it comes to theming. It gives so much freedom to themers, it's even quite amusing that Bloc would actually criticize Wedge for its theming just because it doesn't do theming the way he likes... (Even though he seems to have taken cues from us in his latest works, according to his blocweb posts -- see doing inherited styles instead of replacement styles.)
Nothing new? We have an entire board full of topics describing the new features... And that's only up to rev 700+, i.e. over a year ago! We added dozens more features in the meantime...
And Xarcell, obviously a very well informed user... (One of the many who posted here asking for some stuff, and then leaving when we refused...)
"Wedge is crap in my opinion. Yes it may have a better more efficient engine, but the car as a whole blows."
Yeah, sure! It blows way past SMF :lol:
Pete, it's indeed a waste of time, but with some pop-corn it's still enjoyable :P
Oh, BTW, a similar WTF topic:
http://www.viennabbs.org/index.php?topic=42.0
Bloc:
"Wedge (...) has 2 devs so utterly sure they can do everything better themselves that I left in a - sadly - agitated state."
We never said that, of course. But if he thinks it, it must be the truth...
"Wedge is..well, not sure where its going now, maybe as a more of a SMF tweakers choice? Certainly not a themers choice lol, its gotten way too code-centric already. They want to improve things all over, good, but theres nthing new there really, just rewrites..IMHO anyway, others may disagree of course."
A tweaker's choice, I guess that would be either ViennaBBS or EosAlpha, since Wedge ditched compatibility with SMF from day one...!
Code-centric, I've never seen such a bad analysis. Wedge is WAY better than SMF and ViennaBBS when it comes to theming. It gives so much freedom to themers, it's even quite amusing that Bloc would actually criticize Wedge for its theming just because it doesn't do theming the way he likes... (Even though he seems to have taken cues from us in his latest works, according to his blocweb posts -- see doing inherited styles instead of replacement styles.)
Nothing new? We have an entire board full of topics describing the new features... And that's only up to rev 700+, i.e. over a year ago! We added dozens more features in the meantime...
And Xarcell, obviously a very well informed user... (One of the many who posted here asking for some stuff, and then leaving when we refused...)
"Wedge is crap in my opinion. Yes it may have a better more efficient engine, but the car as a whole blows."
Yeah, sure! It blows way past SMF :lol:
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Archived fixes / Re: Moved topic PM
« on July 30th, 2012, 06:29 PM »
I guess it makes sense to hide it!
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The Pub / Re: Bloc Madness
« on July 30th, 2012, 09:44 AM »
So, bloc has once again changed his mind after stopping Viennabbs and restarting it a couple of times...
http://www.blocweb.net/?topic=50.0
He wants to strip SMF down to nothing and do a v3.0 that he'd call v0.8... Or whatever it means ;)
Tag-based systems aren't exactly new. Take Vanilla for instance...
http://www.blocweb.net/?topic=50.0
He wants to strip SMF down to nothing and do a v3.0 that he'd call v0.8... Or whatever it means ;)
Tag-based systems aren't exactly new. Take Vanilla for instance...
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Features / Re: Github & stuff
« on July 29th, 2012, 01:35 PM »
Yesterday I took a backup of our svn repo, and converted it to git...
It takes quite a while to do, lol. Thankfully I have a fast machine but it still easily took an hour overall.
so it's "doable", perhaps I'll upload it to bitbucket (as a private repo obviously), to do some further tests.
Well, so I did my tests, internally so far (haven't been using bb for this), and I really have to say... I can't live without rev numbers. That's all I can say for now. Maybe someone can give me therapy or something, but I was doing a blame earlier today, and everything I did based on this, would have been much harder if I hadn't had revision numbers. Revision dates are less 'blatant' to me, I can't sort them quickly in my heard, if I read 'October 2011' it'll take a tenth of a second to determine if it's earlier or later than 'May 2012', while between rev 1212 and rev 1574 it's immediate. Things like that...
I could try and force a 'tag' on each and every commit so far, can probably do a script for that, but I don't know if it's workable...
It takes quite a while to do, lol. Thankfully I have a fast machine but it still easily took an hour overall.
so it's "doable", perhaps I'll upload it to bitbucket (as a private repo obviously), to do some further tests.
Posted: July 27th, 2012, 07:09 AM
Well, so I did my tests, internally so far (haven't been using bb for this), and I really have to say... I can't live without rev numbers. That's all I can say for now. Maybe someone can give me therapy or something, but I was doing a blame earlier today, and everything I did based on this, would have been much harder if I hadn't had revision numbers. Revision dates are less 'blatant' to me, I can't sort them quickly in my heard, if I read 'October 2011' it'll take a tenth of a second to determine if it's earlier or later than 'May 2012', while between rev 1212 and rev 1574 it's immediate. Things like that...
I could try and force a 'tag' on each and every commit so far, can probably do a script for that, but I don't know if it's workable...
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Features / Re: New revs
« on July 29th, 2012, 12:53 PM »
rev 1650
(12 files, 3kb)
! Hopefully fixed that annoying bug in Packer that forced me to split JavaScript strings over 255 bytes. It would seem that the regex for string parsing was simply too time-consuming. (Class-Packer.php, suggest.js)
* Finished replacing +new Date with $.now() where it made sense. (install.php, upgrade.php, restore_backup.php, Admin.template.php, Profile.template.php, Themes.template.php, editor-func.js, suggest.js)
- Mouse wheel events in the select box didn't seem to require an event fix after all... Tested in IE6 and I can't think of another browser that would have needed that. Hey, it saves bytes, so I'm all for it, gives me more room for my upcoming confirm() rewrite. (sbox.js)
(12 files, 3kb)
! Hopefully fixed that annoying bug in Packer that forced me to split JavaScript strings over 255 bytes. It would seem that the regex for string parsing was simply too time-consuming. (Class-Packer.php, suggest.js)
* Finished replacing +new Date with $.now() where it made sense. (install.php, upgrade.php, restore_backup.php, Admin.template.php, Profile.template.php, Themes.template.php, editor-func.js, suggest.js)
- Mouse wheel events in the select box didn't seem to require an event fix after all... Tested in IE6 and I can't think of another browser that would have needed that. Hey, it saves bytes, so I'm all for it, gives me more room for my upcoming confirm() rewrite. (sbox.js)