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Bug reports / Re: Posting pictures on posts generates 8 errors
« on February 5th, 2014, 11:12 AM »
Yes. With a ";" at the end of the print_r line, of course. ;)
And then re-do the same action.
And then re-do the same action.
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Archived fixes / [AeMe] Re: The database value you're trying to insert does not exist: id_file
« on February 5th, 2014, 11:11 AM »
One particular album..?
Maybe it's a problem that was born at import time..? Or even at SMF+AeMe time?
Maybe it's a problem that was born at import time..? Or even at SMF+AeMe time?
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Off-topic / Re: Wedge | My thoughts
« on February 5th, 2014, 11:10 AM »Yeah but I didn't really use SMF as much as I did MyBB, so that's more where I am coming from. Apologies for mentioning SMF-like features that I appreciate ;)
Was more really an observation, nothing too bad. But I thought I would just report my findings. :)
Even if I don't reply all topics, especially the 'love Wedge / hate Wedge' topics (which I created more to give me feedback on what I should focus on, keep or remove in Wedge in future versions, and I don't want to start discussions in these topics, so I guess I'll really have to build that 'reply to new topic' feature), I do read all of them.
Everyone just referred to it as "Elk", and when I google "Elk" you can imagine what comes up... Pictures of the animals and their associations :P
TBH that is not a feature that would interest me in the slightest. I don't even use it for Wordpress.
I think rather than like the home text that has a menu, maybe make it a separate clickable link that just goes to the SITEURL?
Would be nice, but it's up to you. It just seems like a wasted link set to confuse people in a hurry ;)
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Off-topic / Re: Wedge | My thoughts
« on February 5th, 2014, 10:39 AM »Looking forward to it, I know it can be changed in Home.php but meh I am happy with the info it displays.
The advantage of having it done in settings, is that I can also (when I get my act together) allow users to override it, and choose exactly what they want on their homepage. Imagine for instance a homepage with some large text that welcomes you, as in the 'flat design' trend if you will, and then at the bottom, a list of recent topics, recent commits, or something. If you're a regular on the forum, won't you want to get rid of the large text, and get to the real contents instead...? I know I would. For instance, I'd like for my 'recent topics' tab to get at least 20 entries by default, not 5. Things like that...
Yeah the thing I was mainly getting at was that the menu structure when you are in an admin item pretty much allows you to get anywhere, from anywhere. And most things are logically laid out, although I did lose some items occasionally.
I think it would decrease the barriers to sign up, but would you just want to import the users details to the forum, or would you actually link the details to Facebook / Googles?
OTOH, if you're planning to spend a lot of time on the forum, you're more than likely to be filling everything by yourself anyway, so I don't think these checkboxes will be checked by default, or even if they'll be there... :P
Infinite Scrolling?Quote Another thing I'm proud of, is infinite scrolling. Only the most recent competitors have it, such as Discourse. As far as I know, no PHP-based competitor has it. This is because it's horribly hard to implement. It's okay if you have static elements to show, but we're talking about user posts that can contain JavaScript (e.g. embeds, etc.), and it forces one to rewrite a LOT of things to make them behave. A nightmare, I'll tell you...
http://wedge.org/pub/7704/infinite-scroll/ <-- that's when I started working on the feature. It was brutal... I'm expecting Wedge will be the only SMF fork to ever do that because it requires a lot of jQuery internal knowledge. :P
It's not as bad as SMF (from memory) but I can move my old MyBB forum to a test page tonight if you like, so that you can see what I mean?
Also an Elk, if you're planning to do so.
Yet, it's best to test on a large forum, but apart from wedge.org I'm not seeing any likely candidates... Hmm, maybe I could import Noisen into Wedge again, then export it to Elk and do some comparisons between all three, all on the same server...
I don't think it's to do with something hooking into it, it's just the general feel. In saying that, I think I am the only one that notices because no one has told me different.
I saw some references to Elk and tried finding the link but failed, might try again tonight.
It's not 'hidden' or anything. There's no policy on wedge.org to prevent from posting links to the competition.
Plus, as I said multiple times, I'm in good terms with them, and if disaster should strike me or Wedge, I'd recommend people switch to ElkArte 10 times over a switch back to SMF.
They also have the ONE feature I want in Wedge but can't be arsed to develop myself or even import into Wedge and credit them for... 'Post from e-mail'. I want that! Of course it requires a cooperating mail server, things like that, but I've always loved that kind of feature, and when I first started using a self-hosted forum back in 2003, that's one of the features I was longing for. But because PHP doesn't support that from the start, it's not possible to do it without bridging with the mail server (which Elk does, although last I heard, that feature was under-tested so it may not work at all.[1])
This guy.
If you'll look at the HTML for it: there's a span for the icon, and then there's the menu entry that can actually be highlighted. If I included the icon in the menu entry, the currently selected section would have the icon inside the selection style (here at Wedge, it's a greenish background), and it implies that the icons need to be comfortable on *whatever* backgrounds you throw at them, and the Wedge icons (taken from a popular package), while very efficient, don't look as good when shown on a darker background.
Believe me, I've always put a lot of thought into my design decisions. However, I never considered the possibility of doubling links in the menu. Or, come to think of it, simply add a small click handler to the icons, so that they'll follow the same links as their text entries. Okay, I'll do that... It won't add too many bytes, I guess.
| 1. | Yes, I have yet to install Elk because I don't want to be influenced by competition too much, so I'm only speaking from their feature lists and regular random looks at their commits. |
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Off-topic / Re: Wedge | My thoughts
« on February 5th, 2014, 10:16 AM »
On the main menu? Colored area, where? Below the text? What do you mean..? And Wedge doesn't even use the same menu code as SMF..?
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Archived fixes / [AeMe] Re: The database value you're trying to insert does not exist: id_file
« on February 5th, 2014, 10:15 AM »
Well... It's certainly there in install.sql... id_file int(10) auto_increment...
What do you mean by 'symbol'..? The icon?
What do you mean by 'symbol'..? The icon?
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Archived fixes / [AeMe] Re: Error 500 while changing gallery symbol
« on February 5th, 2014, 10:13 AM »
Uh...
And would this, hmm, disappear if you were to revert your own commit to the codebase..? :^^;:
And would this, hmm, disappear if you were to revert your own commit to the codebase..? :^^;:
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Features / Re: Tagging
« on February 5th, 2014, 09:16 AM »
'mentions' plugin ;)
It might be worth making code though but for now it serves as a sample of good plugin writing.
It might be worth making code though but for now it serves as a sample of good plugin writing.
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Bug reports / Re: Posting pictures on posts generates 8 errors
« on February 4th, 2014, 11:45 PM »
"This never happened before!" (™®)
Nope, can't see why it would happen... What are your quota settings?
Can you do a print_r($q) before line 1471 in core/app/media/Aeva-Gallery.php?
Nope, can't see why it would happen... What are your quota settings?
Can you do a print_r($q) before line 1471 in core/app/media/Aeva-Gallery.php?
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Features / Re: Plugin revs
« on February 4th, 2014, 11:38 PM »
[Commit revision ad3449b]
Author: Nao (Signed-off)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 23:35:49 +0100
Stats: 3 files changed; +27 (insertions), -32 (deletions)
Author: Nao (Signed-off)Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 23:35:49 +0100
Stats: 3 files changed; +27 (insertions), -32 (deletions)
- we_pinterest: this new version now works on Aeva Media pages. (We-Pinterest-Main.php, plugin-info.xml)
- Notes: I removed the template code because everything the plugin does can be done from the source file (for now). I moved the hook to load_theme so that it gets loaded on all pages, including galleries. Finally, I rewrote the JavaScript to account for linked images. This should cover everything, but in AeMe pages you'll notice that while you can pin a preview, you can't pin a full image. That's because they're generated dynamically, and I don't want to make this plugin more complicated than it should be.
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Off-topic / Re: Wedge | My thoughts
« on February 4th, 2014, 10:50 PM »
Yeah, I know it's long.. ;)
I'll pretend to ignore the blaaatant name dropping at the end. :niark:Quote It's one of the reasons why I made it default. :)Quote Technically, it's only the default 'test' homepage, my plan is to offer a dedicated admin settings page where you'll be able to choose what portions you'd like to show in the homepage. (It's already largely implemented in the Home.php file, I just need to add the proper settings, really..! And do something about that translatable intro... :lol:)Quote It's been implemented in various ways in other systems. Basically, really, it's a nested tweet system. Some seem to prefer shoutboxes, though. It's a different philosophy.
The thought system was originally spawned from 'user texts', you know, the customizable text below your avatar in topic pages. I implemented an input box on the noisen.com header to quickly set it. Then I figured, why not allow people to comment on them..? So I did just that. Made it into its own table, added a hierarchy, etc... In the end, it's grown to something more; a mini-forum, if you will, where the character limit is set at an arbitrary 255 char limit. (Could be more, really...)Quote That one's SMF, really!Quote It's quite different from the SMF admin layout, but there are many things I'd still like to move around. I don't have the same opinions as Arantor in this area, and he was in charge of redoing the admin area (his personal hobby?), so when he left, I felt that I owed him nothing in this respect, and that I could go back to something I liked better. The first thing I did was to move several items to the generic settings area. Then I rewrote an obscure and complicated double save function for settings into a unique save function, suddenly allowing me (and anyone) to do anything they want, anywhere, rather than "depending on whether this or that is in this file..." Anyway!Quote One could say I could go further and add proper Facebook Connect out of the box. Years ago, Pete and I removed OpenID support because we (well, mostly Pete) felt it was only half-baked, and was to be replaced with a better system. He never got around to implementing it, though, and it's really not my priority. But if I had to do a bridge with another IDing system, it'd be Google I think, and then Facebook. Google Credentials is doable, although I've rarely seen in use on other websites. Also, I'd like to change the way external-based signups are considered 'lower citizens' on a forum. There's no reason for this to happen, IMHO. But I take security seriously, so... "Postponed until I have more take to look into it."
In the meantime, if you want OpenID support, you'll have to use ElkArte. (Certainly not bad software; I'd recommend that you try it out.)Quote Yeah, and that only took, like, a couple of days to implement. And competitors will probably end up adding it, too, and in five minutes only. See, browsers are now catching up and offering a CSS property that does the same. If you look into my code history, you'll see that I actually added that CSS property, and am falling back to my original code (the one that took a couple of days to perfect) if it's not supported (i.e. pretty much everything at the current time.)
Another thing I'm proud of, is infinite scrolling. Only the most recent competitors have it, such as Discourse. As far as I know, no PHP-based competitor has it. This is because it's horribly hard to implement. It's okay if you have static elements to show, but we're talking about user posts that can contain JavaScript (e.g. embeds, etc.), and it forces one to rewrite a LOT of things to make them behave. A nightmare, I'll tell you...Quote Okay, I'm really, really concerned about that.
On Wedge.org, I currently see a slowdown about every two minutes, because that's when my Github plugin takes action, and I have yet to implement an Ajax version of it that will not slow down my pages. However, that plugin is ONLY active on admin logons, that is to say only I will see these slowdowns.
Now, for the last couple of weeks my server has been a bit inefficient, but I have a feeling that it's improving to normal levels, at least for the last couple of days, so I'm not seeing much of a performance problem.
On my local Windows install, I'm seeing zero slowdowns.
However:
- You pointed out you're having slowdowns,
- Xarcell pointed out (on Github) that he's having slowdowns compared to ElkArte.
Considering that ElkArte does a reasonable job at being faster than SMF (they're also concatenating and minifying CSS, and JS IIRC, although not gzipping it in advance), it's fair to say that they're competing against Wedge rather than SMF when it comes to performance. However, I've been extremely anal about performance in Wedge. Really. It's one of my obsessions. I'm very happy with it, I've managed to save a lot of time on backend page generation (about 30% time improvements overall compared to a few months ago), and frontend pages are extremely fast to load (as little HTML as possible, inline images, scripts all loaded at the end of the page on session starts, etc.), so to me it's a bit baffling that both Xarcell and you are seeing slowdowns, either comparing to ElkArte or MyBB.
To me, the only software that feels really faster than Wedge is FluxBB. They'll always keep the speed crown because they have so few features built-in. It's easier to load quickly, when you're not executing anything... :^^;:
I'd like more feedback on speed, really. Positive or negative. Or maybe unit tests. Some way to find out what's slowing it down for you. Where the bottlenecks are.Quote Never seen that happen...Quote Random home icon..? (??)Quote I've not noticed anyone being disrespectful to newbies?
Some will mostly talk in quick one-liners that may not be very welcoming, but nothing bad AFAIK...
I'll pretend to ignore the blaaatant name dropping at the end. :niark:
Soft “Feel” | No one likes an angry harsh feeling when they spend a long time somewhere, and the web is no exception. The default theme has a nice mix of green and soft yellows to create a rather calming feeling.
Information you need, at a glance | Sometimes its hard to get all the information you need in one place, the front page does a good job of that with the recent topics.
Thoughts System | Why has this not been implemented before, seriously.
The thought system was originally spawned from 'user texts', you know, the customizable text below your avatar in topic pages. I implemented an input box on the noisen.com header to quickly set it. Then I figured, why not allow people to comment on them..? So I did just that. Made it into its own table, added a hierarchy, etc... In the end, it's grown to something more; a mini-forum, if you will, where the character limit is set at an arbitrary 255 char limit. (Could be more, really...)
Administration section is inline and the theme is consistent with the rest of the site |
Accessible Administration section | Again the admin section is logically laid out and has menus to easily swap areas of the admin section
Ability to use Gravatar out of the box | Nuff said
In the meantime, if you want OpenID support, you'll have to use ElkArte. (Certainly not bad software; I'd recommend that you try it out.)
Posters details stay with the screen as you scroll down the long posts, this… is… so… useful!!!
Another thing I'm proud of, is infinite scrolling. Only the most recent competitors have it, such as Discourse. As far as I know, no PHP-based competitor has it. This is because it's horribly hard to implement. It's okay if you have static elements to show, but we're talking about user posts that can contain JavaScript (e.g. embeds, etc.), and it forces one to rewrite a LOT of things to make them behave. A nightmare, I'll tell you...
Sluggish feel | Sometimes it fees as if the server takes longer than it should, double the time of MyBB (although its still within seconds)
On Wedge.org, I currently see a slowdown about every two minutes, because that's when my Github plugin takes action, and I have yet to implement an Ajax version of it that will not slow down my pages. However, that plugin is ONLY active on admin logons, that is to say only I will see these slowdowns.
Now, for the last couple of weeks my server has been a bit inefficient, but I have a feeling that it's improving to normal levels, at least for the last couple of days, so I'm not seeing much of a performance problem.
On my local Windows install, I'm seeing zero slowdowns.
However:
- You pointed out you're having slowdowns,
- Xarcell pointed out (on Github) that he's having slowdowns compared to ElkArte.
Considering that ElkArte does a reasonable job at being faster than SMF (they're also concatenating and minifying CSS, and JS IIRC, although not gzipping it in advance), it's fair to say that they're competing against Wedge rather than SMF when it comes to performance. However, I've been extremely anal about performance in Wedge. Really. It's one of my obsessions. I'm very happy with it, I've managed to save a lot of time on backend page generation (about 30% time improvements overall compared to a few months ago), and frontend pages are extremely fast to load (as little HTML as possible, inline images, scripts all loaded at the end of the page on session starts, etc.), so to me it's a bit baffling that both Xarcell and you are seeing slowdowns, either comparing to ElkArte or MyBB.
To me, the only software that feels really faster than Wedge is FluxBB. They'll always keep the speed crown because they have so few features built-in. It's easier to load quickly, when you're not executing anything... :^^;:
I'd like more feedback on speed, really. Positive or negative. Or maybe unit tests. Some way to find out what's slowing it down for you. Where the bottlenecks are.
Clicks sometimes don’t register and you have to click again
| Happens a lot with the random home icon that does nothing that I can see, only the text is clickable
Some of the users of the support forum can be quite douchey to new users (and an ex-dev was much like this I noticed)
Some will mostly talk in quick one-liners that may not be very welcoming, but nothing bad AFAIK...
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Features / Re: New revs
« on February 4th, 2014, 10:15 PM »
[Commit revision f35e99e]
Author: Nao
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:00:46 +0100
Stats: 1 file changed; +28 (insertions), -24 (deletions)
[Commit revision 34210fe]
Author: Nao
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:10:50 +0100
Stats: 1 file changed; +6 (insertions), -6 (deletions)
Author: NaoDate: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:00:46 +0100
Stats: 1 file changed; +28 (insertions), -24 (deletions)
- Fixed 'board' variables overriding other actions in the URL if specified in numeric form (e.g. action=something;board=1). (QueryString.php)
[Commit revision 34210fe]
Author: NaoDate: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 22:10:50 +0100
Stats: 1 file changed; +6 (insertions), -6 (deletions)
- Hopefully fixed broken link in moderation center. I never use that, err... Thing. (PostModeration.php)
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Archived fixes / Re: Incorrect list styling in the notifications window
« on February 4th, 2014, 09:58 PM »
Where can you find that kind of link, BTW..?
Oh, and yes, it's fixed. (A glorious fix for which the forum went half-down for about an hour... Oops :P)
Oh, and yes, it's fixed. (A glorious fix for which the forum went half-down for about an hour... Oops :P)
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Features / Re: +1 > Like
« on February 4th, 2014, 09:56 PM »eh... didn't we want to remove the language editor?
I think it may have crossed my mind last month when I was fighting over removing theme support from this (it was by far the most time-consuming file for me), but in the end I did it, AFAIK, and I recognize that the language editor has its good sides: because the strings are stored in the database, they're protected from accidental overwriting, and they allow noobs to easily change some parts of the website without having to play with FTP too much, or simply with the file structure. (You can add a Custom.english.php file, IIRC, to the languages folder and it'll overwrite any string you want, but I'm not sure regular admins will know/want to know about that.)
The only good thing that would come out of removing the language editor, is that I could get rid of language file caching, but considering that all PHP files are cached by now, I would end up re-doing this at some point, so...