Wedge

And what's the point of going OOP/MVC..?
Wedge uses OOP where it makes sense. Does Elk do that?
As for MVC, to me, it simply looks like the usual SMF file structure is gone, and replaced with tons of files that make no sense to me anymore. If I'm to find some portion of code, I have to do a global search.
Pete argues that more files = better performance, but I don't believe him a bit. What Wedge and SMF load are usually needed at some point in the page's life, so splitting into multiple files wouldn't help performance by more than 5% -- if not an actual loss of performance, I'd say.Like what? The action array? Dispatcher.class.php is much messier than Wedge's index.php (to which you still have source code access, BTW. When exactly did you become a developer at a Wedge competitor..?)I don't see anything special in there. You'll need to be more specific.
Currently, all I see is Elk taking features from SMF 2.1, and from Wedge (the footnotes tag, SERIOUSLY...?)Yes, as I said -- footnotes, ugh. Post by e-mail is actually the only Elk feature I openly congratulated the team for. I don't know if it works, though, but I've always wanted to have such a feature on my own sites, but I didn't know where to start, and some of my 2005 experiments with POP communication were bad. (At the time, I didn't know much about PHP, but it still traumatized me.)
Anyway-- I'm not stealing this one from you guys...
Likes are a Wedge feature. Gravatars, too. Improved anti-spam, too. Drag & drop for boards, yep. Custom stuff? Yup... Video embedding? Aeva invented it. Disregard topics is an easy hack to implement (set the view date to MAX_INT for a given topic), and I'm working on doing a better feature than that, but anyway: not impressed. Open ID, I have no idea if this thing still exists. I think we removed support for that years ago. And none of us cared about rewriting it. Quote to new topic, I don't really see the point of this feature.

Like I said, I'm impressed with Post to e-mail. And that's pretty much all, I'm afraid.
I'm not saying the Elk team did nothing for 2 years. There are tons of commits to account for. They certainly added more features than SMF 2.1, too. I may not be in love with Elk (the software), I may not be in awe with what I see, but I'm perfectly aware that some of your team did a great job with it. Just not as great as what Pete and I did on Wedge for 3 years. You're telling me not to underestimate Elk. I'm guessing the same goes for you.

Because one thing is sure, in my mind -- in terms of innovation and sheer number of new features, none of the other SMF derivatives hold a candle to Wedge. No, I'm not particularly proud of it or anything (anyone investing as many man-hours into the project as I did would have reached the same results), I'm just saying it because that's just the *plain truth*, and I'm realistic when I try to evaluate competitors. Wedge has more features, it's simple math. It doesn't mean you *can't* beat it. In fact, you certainly will, because you have a large team (especially now that I'm alone on the project), and I'll also soon be slowed down by the fact that I go public and will have to deal with support requests. Don't worry about that. But if you're speaking on Wedge.org as an ElkArte developer, don't be surprised that the general idea here is that Elk is inferior to Wedge. Otherwise, I'd be pushing my PRs to Elk, not here.

What do you mean?By little private community, you mean Wedge?
It's not private, is it? Otherwise, why would you be able to post here..?My biggest concerns are now solved (most notably, I'll be able to still use commit numbers, and I've finally managed to secure both the 'Nao' and 'Wedge' accounts, on the same day), so it's now mainly about being efficient with git, which still is in progress. (I'm going to make a private repo at bitbucket.org first, to test how it's working, then I'll move the repo to GH if it works well.)Well, they're all being used on their respective websites, aren't they...?
SMF 2.1 isn't, though, but from what I saw of demo sites, I didn't notice anything special about it. It's technically the least interesting between Wedge, Elk and SMF.If you're evaluating software quality through its number of users alone, I can tell you which forum system is the best: vBulletin. Ah, ah. Very droll. ::)

Yup, I just registered on your board to test that. Got a timeout after returning from my OpenID provider instantly. Now that's a cool feature! I had to use the password-based authentication.

Guess I should fork ElkArte and make it right. Chances are good I'm done before Nao is. :ph34r:
(On the other hand, I'm lazy and already do too much coding in my spare time... :unsure:)