"Paid for" shit & shame on the SMF team

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #90, on July 31st, 2011, 05:30 PM »
Quote from Arantor on July 31st, 2011, 02:49 PM
As for my leaving places, it's not just any one place in particular; I actively feel tainted pretty much everywhere, so I've removed my account from Bryan's site, closed my account as best as I am able on Meaningles, stated the situation as far as SD is concerned (I'm going to finish what I've started, which is one converter, the plugins that I've started so far, and issue the release build of SD itself) then remove my account there.
Arantor, I can delete your account at Meaning Les if you wish but I would appreciate a reason as to why you would like to do so. If it is because of a certain member that seems to know all, I wouldn't take anything they say with a grain of salt as they are running on thin ice as it is.
You have contributed many interesting opinions and I wouldn't want to see that end. Just let me know if you truly want to remove your account. Although removing all of your posts will throw a lot of conversations off course and deem them pretty much meaningless,  I will oblige if requested.

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #91, on July 31st, 2011, 06:23 PM »
TBH there has been alot of outrage about how this inciddent was handled Nao, however the truth is why people with the closed mindset hold authority then nowt will really change, one reason why it was such a shame for k@ to leave as he was wulling to speak out as much as me.

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #92, on July 31st, 2011, 06:33 PM »
Quote from Kat on July 31st, 2011, 05:19 PM
Funny how this thread's turned into an SMF slag-fest.

Pity, really, because it rather detracts from what my original post was about.

I felt pretty strongly about the ol' "Paid-for support" thing and I was hoping to see whether my opinions were total bollox, tiz all...
Not really Kat, it's all part and parcel with the general attitude and conduct of those currently in control. There is a general disregard for morals and respect of the users. It is so rapant that it reflects back on others like yourself. Your experience is nothing more than a different chapter in the same book.
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For the record, though, I was (Maybe even still am!) Vice-President of SMF. Even I didn't have the ability to change people's avatars and all that shit.

Support team members and even the lead(s) can't either. Unless, of course, something pretty dramatic has changed, there, since I left. Which I, somehow, doubt.
Much of what occurred is well hidden. It only comes to light when others have had enough of the BS and speak out. More often than not, people feel it is hopeless to stand up against the bullies and simply move on, so this never comes to light either.
I can't count the number of people who sent me PM over there thanking me for taking a stand, feeling bad about the unjustified persecution, both staff and members, expressing having experienced the same abuse.
Someone with the powers found out because I made reference to all the complaints and support I got in PM's and those posts disappeared shortly after.
Someone is very skillful at covering their tracks, with fog and misdirection.
The fact that you are an outspoken person yet as VP have no access to many controls says a lot. I'm thinking someone doesn't want you to know the truth. Deniability puts you in a save corner and gives you some immunity when the shit does hit the fan. Keeping you in the dark also affords them with a reputable person saying things are not what they seem and make it viable.
If your position as VP gives no more of a voice than that of a puppet perhaps it's time you too stepped further out of the box they created.
 
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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #93, on July 31st, 2011, 07:10 PM »
Quote from ARG on July 31st, 2011, 05:30 PM
Although removing all of your posts will throw a lot of conversations off course and deem them pretty much meaningless,
Isn't that the point of your site? :P

runic, are you talking about my issue or K@'s?

runic

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #94, on July 31st, 2011, 08:17 PM »
both as believe it or not they are related :)

Arantor

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #95, on July 31st, 2011, 08:28 PM »
@ARG, I wouldn't ask for posts to be deleted, simply that I no longer wish to have an account. I've been closing down things where I'd had dealings or debates with SMF team members where trying to argue about the things that are failing in that ecosystem. I think of it as a formal manner of closing the door on the past, so that I can move forward without any ties dragging me back.

Hopefully it will help discourage bringing more of the SMF drama here because frankly I'm fed up to the back teeth of every little thing that need not be a problem then being blown out of proportion by people who have demonstrated every possible way to fuck up a community of people who were happy to contribute their time and energy.

By not having an account at these places, I find myself not dragged in nearly so much to the crap and it doesn't weigh me down; I haven't written a line of PHP in days because I've had so much going on between RL and this crap.
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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #96, on July 31st, 2011, 09:07 PM »
Understandable. Your account will be deleted asap.  ;)
Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #97, on July 31st, 2011, 09:12 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on July 31st, 2011, 07:10 PM
Quote from ARG on July 31st, 2011, 05:30 PM
Although removing all of your posts will throw a lot of conversations off course and deem them pretty much meaningless,
Isn't that the point of your site? :P
In a sense yes but having broken up conversations everywhere would just make everything look more like standard jibberish instead of meaningless jibberish.   :lol:

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #98, on July 31st, 2011, 11:03 PM »
Quote from Arantor on July 31st, 2011, 08:28 PM
Hopefully it will help discourage bringing more of the SMF drama here because frankly I'm fed up to the back teeth of every little thing that need not be a problem then being blown out of proportion by people who have demonstrated every possible way to fuck up a community of people who were happy to contribute their time and energy.
Pete, you're still feeling too concerned about SMF.

Let's just sum it up in four words: they don't deserve it.

Repeat: they don't deserve it.

SMF is dying. All of the drama that we're seeing is the surface. The developers lack any motivation to work on SMF 2.1 (let alone 3.0), the only two devs left are on hiatus or something. The support team does what it does currently best -- "la la la la laaaaaa". The managers don't manage a thing. And ex-teamies with absolutely no rights over people can get away with censoring stuff they don't like.

Yes, Kindred, I'm talking about you -- o thou so holy. You still go ahead and give people lessons. But you won't even acknowledge your involvement in this. So yeah, keep doing what you do best. Keep trying to hide the truth. SMF is dying because no one at SMF cares about the software, they only care about the image of the project.

Karl Benson officially gave me full ownership of Aeva today (I want to thank him for clearing that up.)
Which means I can now freely delete Aeva Media *AND* Aeva Lite from the SMF website. Which I'll do once the first usable version of Wedge is out. Along with all of the other mods I made. (Which isn't much, but still.)

That's my way of saying 'thank you' to the SMF managers for how they treated the people who really care about SMF, the software. Most of which have put their trust in us and jumped on the Wedge ship. Thank you all. Wedge won't disappoint.

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #99, on August 1st, 2011, 12:03 AM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on July 30th, 2011, 03:49 PM
(are you French then?)
Nope, I'm from the US. I've been studying French for around a year now, and a few months ago I decided that, in order to make it feel more natural (we had just had a really difficult month or so in the class), I would set the sites I frequent most (FB, YouTube, Google, SM.org, and a couple other forums) to French. It's actually taught me a lot about the language.

To me, between English and French, French seems more logical for someone that doesn't know any of the Romance languages. Picking it up as a native English speaker was more difficult than I thought it would be, though it wasn't too bad since French and English are fairly similar. After just a year of French, it seems like learning English would be more difficult for a French speaker than vice-versa, though you may be able to correct me on that.

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #100, on August 1st, 2011, 12:09 AM »
Nah. English is way easier.
French is crazy. Even Japanese is a bit easier.

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #101, on August 1st, 2011, 12:14 AM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 1st, 2011, 12:09 AM
Nah. English is way easier.
French is crazy. Even Japanese is a bit easier.
Really? French is crazy, yes, but English always seemed like it would be even more crazy for a non-native speaker. With that said, my knowledge of linguistics isn't much, so you probably know more about it.

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #102, on August 1st, 2011, 12:23 AM »
I have to agree with Ha² on this, French does seem more logical in many ways. I studied French for quite a few years. My only regret is that I never really followed up with it, so much so that I can only have a 1 directional conversation, you speak to me in French I respond in English :P
Stick a fork in it SMF

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #103, on August 2nd, 2011, 07:46 AM »
So. Anyone interested in knowing the names of the cowards who censored the AeMe page and won't even admit it?

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #104, on August 2nd, 2011, 07:49 AM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 2nd, 2011, 07:46 AM
So. Anyone interested in knowing the names of the cowards who censored the AeMe page and won't even admit it?
I'd be very interested to know, I could guess at 3 names in particular.

Does this mean you now actually know who did it??