"Paid for" shit & shame on the SMF team

Nao

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #45, on July 28th, 2011, 02:13 PM »
Maybe ARG refused them entry to his castle?

Just wondering. :eheh:

AngelinaBelle

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #46, on July 28th, 2011, 03:28 PM »
Quote from Road Rash on July 28th, 2011, 12:34 AM
Then they modified log account information to show I was loged in while I was in hospital.
Road Rash,

That seems extremely odd. Not very many people at simplemachines.org would be able to do that.
And I don't think it would benefit anyone to mess with that information -- wouldn't really be worth their while.

Is it possible that somebody else got hold of an old cookie on a shared PC while you were in hospital?
Or had one of your friends guessed your password and had a little harmless fun with your avatar? I'm just making a wild guess.

I know that SMF team members are not perfect, but as far as I know, they are not falsely accusing people of changing their avatars, and they are not creating fraudulent log-in entries. I would be extremely surprised to learn that was going on around me.
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Arantor

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #47, on July 28th, 2011, 03:35 PM »
The avatar changing story is one that's been going around a while - and every time the team have denied it because there wasn't anything in the log... except that avatar changes are not actually logged in the profile log, so there's no way to prove or disprove who changed it. (And if you don't believe me, check out Profile-Modify.php, in profileSaveAvatarData, and the entry for avatar_choice in loadProfileFields() in the same file, log_change is not declared as true.)

It is possible then for the team to alter the avatar on an account, to teach someone a lesson as it were, which is the claim made.
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Road Rash Jr.

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #48, on July 28th, 2011, 05:01 PM »
@AngelinaBelle, odd and inexplicable. Motive for ones actions and conduct towards others has long been an unanswerable query. Why is a bully a bully? Why do normally calm and rational people swarm a victim while others assist?

I can assure you no one but I have access to my computer.
So yeah who knows? With logs and records that can be easily altered or deleted without leaving a trace there is no clear answer.
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Arantor

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #49, on July 28th, 2011, 05:31 PM »
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Why is a bully a bully?
Usually it's because they feel inadequate about an aspect of their lives and need to reduce other peoples' quality of life to lower than their own in order to make them feel good.
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Why do normally calm and rational people swarm a victim while others assist?
Usually a tripping of the fight-or-flight response, they feel threatened in some way.
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So yeah who knows? With logs and records that can be easily altered or deleted without leaving a trace there is no clear answer.
The only ways are for someone to 'fess up, or for better logging to be put in place and waiting to see if someone changes it again, typically if they're unaware of the better logging.

runic

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #50, on July 28th, 2011, 05:36 PM »
from my stance I have not read or seen anything that would suggest someone logged in to RR's account and did it.

Arantor

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #51, on July 28th, 2011, 05:38 PM »
You don't need to log into someone's account to change their avatar, any suitably permissioned person can change someone's avatar.

As for the log in time, anyone with DB access can do that, in a variety of ways.

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #52, on July 28th, 2011, 10:02 PM »
Quote from runic on July 28th, 2011, 01:56 PM
Arantor ive seen the logs, the last ip to change ARG's account was ARG.  The last email change in his account was by ARG in January and changed the username of the account not the domain.  No standard team members on SMF have access to change the accounts.  ARG is BULLSHITTING and knows that he will get sympathy on here.  ARG if you want it sorted email info@simplemachines.org and stop spreading bullshit around and claiming a team member banned you!
Get a life dude. I am not looking for any sympathy from anyone. Just stating facts. Of course SMF will deny any wrong doing. That is simply the way that they are used to doing things. The only one I see bullshitting here is you.
Quote from runic on July 28th, 2011, 02:30 AM
ARG who you claiming altered your account? I see nothing that will prevent you from logging in, and I can assure you the Labradoodle has no power to alter your account in anyway except give you a warning, so do me a favor and stop the bullshit, honestly, you last logged in on 24 July your issue with Labradoodle was 23rd, im sure if he was that malice he would have done it on the 23rd but he couldnt as he doesnt have the power to.  Now if you wanna argue that I am a team member at SMF and of course ill defend the team, you should ask Arantor, Nao, K@ etc how honest I am, and then look at the history of the team and I.
Did I mention any names here runic? No, I don't think so. And yes, I did actually log in twice since this happened and both times I was automatically logged out within one or two minutes and could no longer log back in. I was told the same thing last time that that this happened, certain members do not have the power but the same exact thing happened both times so somebody, somewhere does indeed have the power to alter accounts.
If you check the logs, although I am sure it will be denied, I have attempted to log in and also reset my password on at least four different occasions since. Also, I am not questioning weather you will defend the team because we are all aware that it is not possible for any SMF team member to be be wrong so why don't you just stop the bullshit. I don't care what the hell your logs show, I am blocked from my account at SMF and it is not thge first time. Admit that something like this can and does occur at SMF because it's not the first time and has apparently happened to others as well. SMF has certain staff members that don't go by the rules. Just be a man and deal with the facts.

runic if you want to argue with me that's just fine but find another place to do it as I will respect the fact that this is not SMF and not the place to do it. You can and most likely will ban me from SMF but your power trip will not work on me here.

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AngelinaBelle

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #53, on July 28th, 2011, 10:48 PM »
ARG,

I'm glad to hear your username/password are OK.

I've had that "logged out" experience before, myself -- usually during spammer floods. It is really annoying.
I don't think that the cause for has anything to do with you directly.

Are you still having the problem? If so, you could try emailing the times at which this occurs to info@simplemachines.org. I know the site and server team are always working hard to let members in while keeping the bad bots out, but things don't always work perfectly.

Of course, the SMF team is not perfect. Nor are the SMF servers. Or the SMF site. Or the SMF software. The team does try awfully hard, though.

Arantor

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #54, on July 28th, 2011, 10:53 PM »
The logged out behaviour should not be the case in 2.0 final; that was patched after I filed a bug on it.

AngelinaBelle

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #55, on July 29th, 2011, 02:30 PM »
I'm going to assume that ARG did actually have this experience of being logged out for no apparant reason.

The cause for it may be completely different, of course. There is a lot going on at the site. It is not perfect. But nobody at SimpleMachines.org is staying up 24/7 to watch him log in, then mucking around in the database to log him out 2 minutes later.

Arantor

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #56, on July 29th, 2011, 02:34 PM »
The claim states that he was sent a PM just before he was logged out, no-one was 'staying up 24/7 to watch him log in' because they were already logged in at the time..

Nao

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #57, on July 29th, 2011, 03:02 PM »
Just as a reminder.
Two years ago I was plagued with session bugs at sm.org. It eventually got fixed months later but I never knew how. Was it an opera bug or smf bug. I dunno. I just got errors each time I posted and I had to resubmit my posts. Indefinitely. Was a mess. Sm.org is an unstable website to me.

DoctorMalboro

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #58, on July 29th, 2011, 04:50 PM »
6000 post? Wow.

It actually happened to me a lot in Opera. Right now I don't know, since I don't use it anymore but I don't think they fix it, I think Opera did...

Kat

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #59, on July 29th, 2011, 05:21 PM »
Yeah, I had hassles with Opera, there, too. Session timeouts and connection refused bollox, if I remember rightly.