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Artur

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #30, on May 8th, 2011, 10:33 AM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on May 8th, 2011, 12:04 AM
The 34.6% market share for China is not inside IE.
I didn't said that. I said that almost 40% of your 11% marktshare is going to chinese ie6 users. If 11% is 100% and 40% are chinese ie6 users then there is 60% left of that 11% marktshare for other countries ie6 users.

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Quote from Road Rash on May 8th, 2011, 01:38 AM
Just look at the bottom of the box, doesn't it say 'Made in China'? :thanks: :whistle:
Wouldn't it say "Made in Redmond - Dead customer support"?  :lol:

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #31, on May 8th, 2011, 11:29 AM »
Quote from Artur on May 8th, 2011, 10:33 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on May 8th, 2011, 12:04 AM
The 34.6% market share for China is not inside IE.
I didn't said that. I said that almost 40% of your 11% marktshare is going to chinese ie6 users.
No. As I said: 75% of the 11% marketshare is Chinese.
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If 11% is 100% and 40% are chinese ie6 users then there is 60% left of that 11% marktshare for other countries ie6 users.
No, 25%. Please re-read my post...
Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #32, on May 8th, 2011, 03:30 PM »
Yeah, but you know what? Making stuff work in IE6 (i.e. not break horribly) is much, much harder than trying to make IE6 look modern ;)
I have problems with it on a daily basis... Just so it won't *break*. In fact, I'm currently getting pissed at IE6 for not playing fair with my Zoomedia rewrite.

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #33, on May 8th, 2011, 04:35 PM »
It works on IE6? Well, useless people who don't manage PCs will appreciate it.

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Arantor

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #35, on May 9th, 2011, 11:27 PM »
So, the transfer seems to be complete; the team has now published the NPO bylaws, the trademark guidelines and a bunch of other stuff - like a new front page.

I think we can safely say that it's going to emerge on schedule, then, which means we have an interesting few weeks ahead while we merge in the remaining changes, and making sure code is fully compliant (because I am damned if I'm going to let anyone pull a C&D out) then we can proceed as we see fit. But I will do a code review once 2.0 final lands to ensure that the codebase is free of any issues after that, so that we can finally cut loose.
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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #36, on May 9th, 2011, 11:53 PM »
Quote from Arantor on May 9th, 2011, 11:27 PM
So, the transfer seems to be complete; the team has now published the NPO bylaws,
"Booooring!"

Seriously, that's long, legal mumbo-jumbo and it's even got typos...
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the trademark guidelines and a bunch of other stuff - like a new front page.
It's better than the earlier one, but it's still ugly. Do they have a designer onboard at this point...??

They also publish their CLA now.
And they removed their team page -- and replaced it with an NPO team page where they list the board members. Interestingly, it seems to imply Kindred is the boss now... Even though he resigned some time ago :P
Also, all SMF Friends are gone -- you're no longer on the list. Instead they list all NPO subscribers, including some very recent members like Illori. Here's wondering if they actually paid the $50 mentioned in the NPO bylaws...
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I think we can safely say that it's going to emerge on schedule, then, which means we have an interesting few weeks ahead while we merge in the remaining changes, and making sure code is fully compliant (because I am damned if I'm going to let anyone pull a C&D out) then we can proceed as we see fit. But I will do a code review once 2.0 final lands to ensure that the codebase is free of any issues after that, so that we can finally cut loose.
I'm not exactly sure what to do about AeMe at this point... I'm still in the process of rewriting the Highslide replacement and various other things. I estimate it'll take several more weeks just to reach the level of quality I would expect from my gallery code.
Also, what about our CLA? You're in charge, man, you deal with it :niark:

Arantor

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #37, on May 9th, 2011, 11:57 PM »
Actually, if you read the bylaws, anyone who is a team member, or has recently been, the dues are waived in consideration of services rendered.

Honestly, though, this is the final nail in the coffin in terms of "we value our friends" because it seems to me that they don't, and now they have the balls to admit it.

AeMe is not subject to the SMF licence, it just isn't a problem. As far as code review goes, I'm interested in ensuring that their code does not affect us. Everything else is secondary.

I have an hour or so, so I will actually get that written up right now! I hate the fact that the last couple of weeks in particular, I've been dragged off to one thing before finishing the previous.

Nao

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #38, on May 10th, 2011, 12:02 AM »
Quote from Arantor on May 9th, 2011, 11:57 PM
Actually, if you read the bylaws, anyone who is a team member, or has recently been, the dues are waived in consideration of services rendered.
So, they value yours less than Illori's and such? :P
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Honestly, though, this is the final nail in the coffin in terms of "we value our friends" because it seems to me that they don't, and now they have the balls to admit it.
Pretty much, yeah.
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AeMe is not subject to the SMF licence, it just isn't a problem.
Never said it'd be. Although Highslide had to go, because of the confusing license (i.e. author being okay with free redistribution, but requiring end users to pay...) The least I could do is make sure Zoomedia behaves at least as well as Highslide does. (It's not easy. Highslide is state of the art really. I'm afraid we may have to do without the slideshow code in the first public alpha.)
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As far as code review goes, I'm interested in ensuring that their code does not affect us.
As I said, I wouldn't bother much. If they find anything they consider suspicious, we'll just rewrite it. We're cool with that.
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I have an hour or so,
Not me :P
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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #39, on May 10th, 2011, 12:27 AM »
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they removed their team page
And made it harder to get to. They link to it on the front page.

And those buttons... eeeewwwwwww! Something tells me Ante was at work. And their top margin needs increased. Actually, he original square SMF buttons would look so much better too.

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #40, on May 10th, 2011, 04:38 AM »
Just some legal observations.

1) Article 1 has no sections. Even in the State of Nevada where many questionable incorporation's occur, a designated section is to be declared, not omitted as "Article I Section 1"

2) Article II is missing Section 1.0 through 2.0.

I could go on with all the legal infractions and questionable declarations here, suffice it to say the whole Bylaw is questionable and would be a fools arrand to defend if ever challenged.
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Nao

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #41, on May 10th, 2011, 10:07 AM »
Quote from live627 on May 10th, 2011, 12:27 AM
And those buttons... eeeewwwwwww! Something tells me Ante was at work.
Yeah, it's part of the ugliness. The text shadow is particularly awful.
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And their top margin needs increased. Actually, he original square SMF buttons would look so much better too.
Sometimes, simplicity is best.

Re: team page, I didn't realize it was on the front page... It's becoming obvious that they have two different sidebars for the About section. One has the Team page, the other has the NPO page. The Team page no longer has a marketing section, so Kindred isn't in it... The NPO page no longer has Friends, but JBlaze is in it even though he's a 'Friend' in the Team page.

DoctorMalboro

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #42, on May 10th, 2011, 02:03 PM »
I like the new front page, the buttons might not be awesome but it finally looks like a 2000s site.

Arantor

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #43, on May 10th, 2011, 02:52 PM »
And it's broken on iPad, being misrendered because obviously everyone uses more than 1024 wide ::)

Also, I happened to notice MrGrumpy being made Support Helper of the Month. Now, fair play to him for supporting, but he has made a total of 64 posts thus far. Yup, 64. Even if that's all in one month, that's still pretty poor (I used to average double that PER DAY!) as a basis for SHOTM, sorry.

I really hope the one person who told me last week that I "use any excuse to twist the knife" even when I don't have any agenda reads this, then they can see that I'm not twisting the knife one bit, I don't have to do that, when the team is more than capable of demonstrating their own incompetences.

DoctorMalboro

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #44, on May 10th, 2011, 03:37 PM »
Bo-hoo, apple-boy, get a real table :eheh:

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