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A nice kick in the CSS
« on August 3rd, 2011, 10:14 PM »
Tonight's a special night to me. I installed another copy of Wedge on the server, and I finally ran TE's import tool on Wedge.org. I just... wanted to see if it would work. And it does!

It's not perfect, has bugs here and there, doesn't import attachments and avatars yet, but you have absolutely no idea how wonderful it was for me to find myself face to face with a fully converted SMF forum running Wedge. The dream has finally come true!



And it looks gorgeous. There's no better way to test a design than to insert real data into it. I'm really happy with it now. I wasn't sure -- now I am. Party on! (Oh, and we're trying new Wedge logos, if you didn't notice. It's not final yet, but you can follow the process in the Logo Madness topic. Everything's public. Because that's how we do things at Wedge.)






Re: A nice kick in the CSS
« Reply #21, on August 12th, 2011, 11:59 PM »
Unless you're only giving your opinion on the theme of course. :niark:


Re: A nice kick in the CSS
« Reply #23, on August 22nd, 2011, 10:18 PM »
Ah, I had a new blog post in the making, and then I dropped it... I was adressing the other SMF forks, and then kinda lost my inspiration when it came to discuss vblamer's project while trying not to be insulting... :P


Re: A nice kick in the CSS
« Reply #25, on August 22nd, 2011, 11:20 PM »
Quote from Butters on August 22nd, 2011, 10:18 PM
Ah, I had a new blog post in the making, and then I dropped it... I was adressing the other SMF forks, and then kinda lost my inspiration when it came to discuss vblamer's project while trying not to be insulting... :P
Don't feel bad, I don't think it is humanly possible to not be. ;)

Re: A nice kick in the CSS
« Reply #26, on August 22nd, 2011, 11:24 PM »
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Don't feel bad, I don't think it is humanly possible to not be
I didn't feel the need to insult vbgamer's fork. I won't deny that I found the idea amusing, but if he's got the balls to take it on, gotta give a little credit that way.

Re: A nice kick in the CSS
« Reply #27, on August 23rd, 2011, 12:00 AM »
Credit for what? Does anyone know of anything he did for the SMF community that wasn't linked in one way or another to the selling of a commercial version of his work...?
I can hardly give the benefit of the doubt to someone who's widely recognized by the SMF community for his tendency to monetize everything he does for them.
So far, most of his changes to the SMF codebase (according to his commit logs) was to rename all entries of SMF into his fork name. I don't know about you, but when I'm seeing something like "SMF wishes to thank everyone who spent countless hours on the project", I'm not going to change SMF into my fork name after I only worked on it for a couple of hours... It shows a lack of respect for SMF itself. I wait a year before I did the same...
Until proven otherwise, to me he's just going to release an SMF with his mods (and the mods that were given to him -_-) built in, and on top of that he'll be selling a "pro" version of his forum with the "pro" (commercial) versions of the same mods... It's all about getting extra exposure for his $250 'suite'.

Let's just say only time will tell which conception of a SMF fork will make it into the hearts of the SMF community. But I think I already know...

Oh, well, I guess that's it now, I wrote a blurb about the damn fork... ::)

Re: A nice kick in the CSS
« Reply #28, on August 23rd, 2011, 12:10 AM »
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Credit for what? Does anyone know of anything he did for the SMF community that wasn't linked in one way or another to the selling of a commercial version of his work...?
Credit's the wrong word. Respect is probably better. You, I, Nightwish and a few others understand what's involved in taking on the beast. Anyone brave enough to try it deserves a very small measure of something.
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I can hardly give the benefit of the doubt to someone who's widely recognized by the SMF community for his tendency to monetize everything he does for them.
That's the thing, most of them don't even actually realise it because he is often cited as one of the most 'important' modders, because of the range of mods he's put out, even if they aren't the greatest quality (most users don't know the difference, nor do they care)
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So far, most of his changes to the SMF codebase (according to his commit logs) was to rename all entries of SMF into his fork name. I don't know about you, but when I'm seeing something like "SMF wishes to thank everyone who spent countless hours on the project", I'm not going to change SMF into my fork name after I only worked on it for a couple of hours... It shows a lack of respect for SMF itself. I wait a year before I did the same...
It's also not surprising that that happened. He's trying to give it some sense of identity, something we've only done fairly recently on the inside at least.
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Until proven otherwise, to me he's just going to release an SMF with his mods (and the mods that were given to him ) built in, and on top of that he'll be selling a "pro" version of his forum with the "pro" (commercial) versions of the same mods... It's all about getting extra exposure for his $250 'suite'.
Very likely. But that's not our problem.
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Let's just say only time will tell which conception of a SMF fork will make it into the hearts of the SMF community. But I think I already know...
Not really our problem. People have got it into their heads that he's doing things for them, when he blatantly isn't, but if that's all his fork actually is going to be, that's actually less than I gave him credit for. Time will tell.
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Oh, well, I guess that's it now, I wrote a blurb about the damn fork...
Oh, the humanity. Stubbornness to keep trying to hide the existence of alternatives is stupid. Stubbornness to try and deny their existence is also stupid. Instead, let's see what he does, and whether it is actually a positive contribution to the ecosystem or not. (Heck, as it stands, it will still be an improvement on the base SMF core, and there IS validity to having an all in one package.)

I'm honestly curious to see if he forks SimpleDesk to make ezDesk for his fork. I already told him a year ago that he could, long before I was thoroughly and totally disgusted with his behaviour[1], when he wished we would make it for 1.1.x and I told him up front that he was welcome to port it himself. Funnily enough he never did to my knowledge.
 1. Back then I was more 'mildly annoyed' by it.

Re: A nice kick in the CSS
« Reply #29, on August 23rd, 2011, 09:45 AM »
I can't agree more about vbgamer, but he's going to sink :) - i don't think anyone care about a forum which you can do it with pack-manager.

But its not all his fault (95% his nvm :)), most mods directly given to him - he currently have 49 mods and most of are big. He is just making compatibility upgrades on mods, (we can talk about his mods all day long but no need to).

We don't need to talk much : http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=24876 tells everything.
But still he is just a commercial guy, he can't do something free.

Re: A nice kick in the CSS
« Reply #30, on August 24th, 2011, 10:22 PM »
Wow! All i can say to you guys... BRAVO!! Vous le meritez bien! Bon courage and une tres bonne continuation!