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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #165, on June 5th, 2011, 04:29 PM »
"Language updates are actually irrelevant compared to the core release." - sure, but this one they'll want to include. As you say there's now no reason to delay the release so I guess the steps are 1. internal test of and around OpenID fix, 2. build the new version [1] including the languages update, 3. load it onto the sm.org site for a wider test, 4. release.

So my point above is that once we see the LLC disappear we'll know that steps 1-3 are complete.
 1. however long that takes

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #166, on June 5th, 2011, 04:32 PM »
Quote from Farjo on June 5th, 2011, 04:29 PM
"Language updates are actually irrelevant compared to the core release." - sure, but this one they'll want to include. As you say there's now no reason to delay the release so I guess the steps are 1. internal test of and around OpenID fix, 2. build the new version [1] including the languages update, 3. load it onto the sm.org site for a wider test, 4. release.

So my point above is that once we see the LLC disappear we'll know that steps 1-3 are complete.
 1. however long that takes
That's good for another 3 years of R&D.
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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #167, on June 5th, 2011, 04:32 PM »
That relies on someone actually going through every language to fix it - or waiting for the language folks to do it. Neither seems like to be prompt to me.

@Road Rash - 3 years? I was thinking 1-2.
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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #170, on June 5th, 2011, 04:47 PM »
Quote from Masterd on June 5th, 2011, 04:34 PM
Quote from Farjo on June 5th, 2011, 04:29 PM
including the languages update
Language updates are generated by Language Editor.
Not sure what that means  :hmm:

From the Powerbob thread:
Illori: the translators are working on translating the final language files for 2.0 final. once they are done the files will be updated on this site.
Darkness_Black: I'm Translator portuguese_BR. In Portuguese_Brazilian I exited the LLC, but the forum still appears to me.
Illori: the language files on this site need to still be updated to match what is in the language editor.

So does that mean the translators update the language editor and then someone 'generates' the language files?

Could someone other than the translators go through the files? It's got to be easy to spot "LLC" in any language!

"That's good for another 3 years of R&D."  :mdr: (you are joking aren't you)

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #171, on June 5th, 2011, 04:51 PM »
OK, let me explain.

The master language files in English are stored in SVN and pushed out to the Language Editor, which is a tool available to all translators, and the master files are used as a template from which the translated files are generated, and the LE generates the proper files for each language from master+changes, including dealing with UTF-8 conversions.

It's a bit complex to figure out how it works but in theory anyone with access should be able to go review the language files to see if that string's been changed. Hell, there's no reason why the team can't do this themselves, they even have a team for i18n issues, which is exactly what this is, and it doesn't need someone to be fluent in every language. It just has to be done.

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #173, on June 5th, 2011, 05:04 PM »
Thanks you for the explanation Arantor.

"It just has to be done." - it would be easy to be cynical here, to say the whole SMF team should be devoting themselves to the task, but I had jobs to do today and all I've done is cook fudge, watch the MotoGP, cook roast potatoes and put my socks away, so who am I to comment?!

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #174, on June 5th, 2011, 05:28 PM »
Quote from Farjo on June 5th, 2011, 05:04 PM
Thanks you for the explanation Arantor.

"It just has to be done." - it would be easy to be cynical here, to say the whole SMF team should be devoting themselves to the task, but I had jobs to do today and all I've done is cook fudge, watch the MotoGP, cook roast potatoes and put my socks away, so who am I to comment?!
The thing is, anyone with any code experience can do this part... so yes, it would be easy - and not entirely unjustified to be cynical here. I'm very good with cynicism.

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #177, on June 5th, 2011, 06:21 PM »
The only question I have about Wedge and forgive me but I have to ask but will support on releases be answered by it will be finished when its finished?

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #178, on June 5th, 2011, 06:25 PM »
Considering that we're two guys doing this in our spare time and I've been away for much of the last 6 months on professional other stuff... yes, it will be done when we say it's done and not before.

We're not going to commit to arbitrary release dates that mean we rush stuff or let everyone down by missing the date we set. Been there, done that (both sides of the fence). However, releases will likely be faster than SMF.

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Re: SMF 2.0 final THIS MONTH?
« Reply #179, on June 5th, 2011, 06:33 PM »
On my side, I'll be striving to have a release cycle similar to Aeva Media's... i.e., totally chaotic, but closer to "early and often" than to "when we're done". (Because I'm usually done early and often.)

(Pete, are you meaning to say I did most of the work in the last 6 months? :lol:)
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