[Naming poll] Packages
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What should be the new name for Packages in Wedge?

Plugins (and I'm not from an English speaking country)
11 (44%)
Plugins (and English is my main language)
4 (16%)
Add-ons (and I'm not from an English speaking country)
3 (12%)
Add-ons (and English is my main language)
7 (28%)
Total Members Voted: 25

MultiformeIngegno

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #45, on September 28th, 2011, 01:52 AM »
+1 for wedgets, it's funny and rather.. clear!

Cassiel

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #46, on September 28th, 2011, 04:13 AM »
Clear? The other two words are way more clear that "wedgets". With "wedgets" people have to make the association with "widgets" and even then IMO "widgets" isn't as widely used as "add-on" or "plugin".

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of using the word "wedgets", but in terms of practicality (which it seems is what Nao and Arantor are going for) the other two make more sense to use.

Jorin

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #47, on September 28th, 2011, 07:18 AM »
I totally agree, Cassiel. When using Wordpress for example a widget isn't the same as a plugin. So if a wedget will be a plugin, this is kind of  :huh: :hmm:

Nao

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #48, on September 28th, 2011, 07:47 AM »
I'd put my veto on Wedget. I suggested the name it's true. But it was only as a joke. We could use it for sidebar blocks or something but not to plugins. I can guarantee it won't be used in the end.

Btw votes were blocked. Sorry about that.

billy2

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #49, on September 28th, 2011, 08:16 AM »
Votes are blocked? I just did ?
<br /><br />cough, cough.

Jorin

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #50, on September 28th, 2011, 08:23 AM »
WERE blocked!  ;)

billy2

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #51, on September 28th, 2011, 08:27 AM »
ahhh, its early  :lol:

...... and agree the hyphen needs to go

MultiformeIngegno

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #52, on September 28th, 2011, 11:42 AM »
@Cassiel: wow, then I'm ultra smart!

Arantor

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #53, on September 28th, 2011, 02:39 PM »
Interesting to see the current split in the poll. I haven't voted, specifically to avoid biasing things, but it does seem to reflect what Nao had already observed before about the split between folks that prefer plugins and folks that prefer add-ons.

And yes, WP plugins != widgets, a WP widget is the equivalent of a template block in the skeleton here. A WP plugin may add, or display as, a widget.

In our terms, it's much the same, and for the same reason.
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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #54, on September 28th, 2011, 04:15 PM »
Of the two choices, I've gone for add-ons.[1]
 1. Although I will still refer/think to/of them as 'Extensions', whatever they end up being called!  :ph34r:

Nao

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #55, on September 28th, 2011, 05:11 PM »
Quote from Arantor on September 28th, 2011, 02:39 PM
Interesting to see the current split in the poll. I haven't voted, specifically to avoid biasing things, but it does seem to reflect what Nao had already observed before about the split between folks that prefer plugins and folks that prefer add-ons.
Yes... For those who didn't follow: I made the suggestion that native English speakers tended to prefer 'add-ons', while non-native speakers preferred 'plugins'.
The reason is probably that 'add-ons' is the 'correct' word to define these, but that it doesn't ring much of a bell to anyone who doesn't speak English on a daily basis.
It would be okay if Wedge was available from the start in 150 languages, but it won't be the case. Many non-native English speakers will be using the English version for that reason, and that includes modders as well. I think they'd like it best if they could call functions like loadPluginSomething() instead of loadAddonSomething() because that would be easier for them to remember.
Also, the various 'major' folders in Wedge have universal names: 'Sources', 'Themes', 'avatars'... ('attachments' not so much, but then again that's why I've renamed it to 'files' and was thinking of 'uploads' as well.) Uploading plugins to an Addons folder would possibly be a bit more confusing than to a Plugins folder. Things like that...

Now, I suppose it depends on how many Wedge users have English as their main language.
Right now, it looks like it's a 50/50.
[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #56, on September 29th, 2011, 12:10 AM »
20 votes - most of our regular voters. We'll hardly get to more than 30 votes on this poll so I'm assuming the results are quasi-final, with a (very!) short victory for 'plugins'.
So basically, it confirms what I said before, and we're going to have a war between English and non-English speakers :P

Would like Pete's opinion on my post above.

Arantor

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #57, on September 29th, 2011, 12:24 AM »
I tend to agree about distribution, that the number of people using Wedge, with English being, or not being, first language. I also agree with the logic about users who don't have English as their first language being able to acclimatise to Wedge having 'plugins', especially as other software has it and that it is, therefore, a consistent term - far more than add-on is ever likely to be.

That covers non-English users, but for English-first-language people, add-on might be more logical but plugin is certainly more consistent with other software and as such more likely to be understood by users of other software.

For first time users, though, I'd argue add-on is probably more approachable than plugin, which is why I went with that originally, but all things considered, I think you're probably right to be championing plugin.

Nao

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #58, on September 29th, 2011, 12:58 PM »
Well, as per Wikipedia's definitions --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_(computing)
Plugins (or Plug-ins :lol:) are considered to be the small software that adds features, while add-ons (or addons :P) are considered to 'include' plugins, themes and other elements that can be added to it, so basically you don't *have* to stop calling them 'add-ons', I think it's really up to anyone's taste...

The idea is that we offer an add-on area (which we'll have to name eventually, with a po... Sorry :P), which offers themes to download, as well as plugins. That's what SMF calls 'Modifications' on their website, except it should be 'packages' if they were faithful to their terminology... :P

So, basically, loadAddonSomething() should be loadPluginSomething() because that's really something for plugins only, not for themes. In a sense, we can (and should) find a clear line between plugins and addons. Both words have their space in Wedge and that's what the poll seems to be saying. :)

PS: add-on might be more 'approachable', but don't forget that the first target for add-ons is *webmasters*, and they're rarely complete noobs :)

Arantor

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #59, on September 29th, 2011, 04:02 PM »
Go on, then, yo've convinced me to rebadge things as plugins as far as new functions go :P

As long as we get away from 'mods', though.
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PS: add-on might be more 'approachable', but don't forget that the first target for add-ons is *webmasters*, and they're rarely complete noobs
You are kidding, right? A tour of duty in the SMF support boards teaches you that most people running forums are not web masters how you and I would know the definition and most of them, honestly, don't even seem to know how to read instructions first - or, more infamously, will go round, tick boxes in admin, then wonder why it doesn't work how they expected. The number of people who write in with "it was working fine, then I did something and it changed it to <something> and now I don't know how ti fix it", especially with query less URLs (index.php/topic,1.0.html format), or ordering posts to have newest first.

This is why I assume user stupidity first and wait to be convinced otherwise.