[Naming poll] Packages
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What should be the new name for Packages in Wedge?

Plugins (and I'm not from an English speaking country)
11 (44%)
Plugins (and English is my main language)
4 (16%)
Add-ons (and I'm not from an English speaking country)
3 (12%)
Add-ons (and English is my main language)
7 (28%)
Total Members Voted: 24

Arantor

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #15, on July 12th, 2011, 11:58 PM »
Plugin, to me, implies something less in-depth as far as expansion goes, that you just plug it in but the sum total of where the two meet is over a thin interface, much as you have the concept of motherboard and daughterboard[1]

I dislike mod because it has all the connotations I want to discourage. And really, add-on to me covers everything - there's no limit on scope, nor are we implying a semi-fixed classification to things. People do create avatar packs and smiley packs, and these are add-ons in a sense, but they're not mods (yet use the same interface)
 1. Yes, this is a real technical term.
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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #16, on July 13th, 2011, 12:19 AM »
Call me a traditionalist, but 'mods' has been used in forum software for what seems like forever, so it has the most user-friendly sound to it.  Of course, wedge by design isn't meant to be a soft entry into the forum world, so maybe you want to break tradition...

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #17, on July 13th, 2011, 12:24 AM »
I like add-on because at this time, I would not say that the forum is modular in nature. To me Module would lean towards there being a basic core, and every real function would be a module (some might be core modules, but modules none the less.

Then again, I think plug-ins, add-on's, and modules are all vastly different things.

Plug-in: Normal a minor feature, might be added within an theme, skin, add-on, or module.
Add-on: A feature of any size that adds function to other parts of the system.
Module: A stand alone feature, that feature may hook, or otherwise interact with core, modules, add-ons, and or plug-ins.

To give this some examples, if SMF/Wedge where more modular in nature:

Core: Users/Roles/Base Permissions/Themes/Modules (the module for Modules)/Blocks/Authentication/Anything that would be common to almost all developments

Modules: Forum/Gallery(Which may be several modules in a modular setup)/Calendar/Stats/Helpdesk/Profiles/Social/Foot Notes/The list goes on

Add-ons: In a modular setup add-ons don't have a need to exist, they are either a template thing, a plug-in or a module

Plug-in: Editor/Only one I can think off off the top of my head.

Anyway I like Add-ons and voted that way :-P
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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #18, on July 13th, 2011, 12:26 AM »
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so it has the most user-friendly sound to it.
A term that indicates you have to modify files is the most friendly? I suppose it is one step up from hacks in that respect, but it's still a long way short of add-ons, plugins or even packages in that respect, IMHO.

I'd also note that there's a difference between being a soft entry, and being intuitive to use; we plan to be the latter, so that while it might seem steep, it needn't be *that* steep...

@godboko71: Nice summing up :)

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #19, on July 13th, 2011, 12:35 AM »
Pete, nothing says a module has to modify files. Even a mod as in modification doesn't carry that meaning in an absolute manner.

Perhaps my issue with addons is the dash. Or the fact that the French translation has nothing to do with the original name -- extension. Phonetically I mean. While mod is a popular term for French geeks.

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #20, on July 13th, 2011, 12:44 AM »
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Even a mod as in modification doesn't carry that meaning in an absolute manner.
The only contexts I've come across the term mod, as a noun and semi-implicitly as a verb are tracker mods, moderators and modifications - and in every case where the term 'mod' is used in the latter, it is to modify files. Yes, I know there's an equal association of mod->module as there is for mod->modification but I have yet to hear of anyone using mod->module in that context outside of this discussion. Drupal has modules - and they're explicit about calling them modules. WP has plugins. The reason: both systems encourage no file edits.
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While mod is a popular term for French geeks.
And in what context is it popular? The single biggest example I'd come across prior to SMF was Garry's Mod, which is an altering extension to CoD.
Posted: July 13th, 2011, 12:44 AM

In other news, can I rename this 'the bikeshed thread'? :D

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #21, on July 13th, 2011, 01:25 AM »
GMod is a Half Life mod.

Then a Half Life 2 mod.



This is also a mod. Well two.  8-)

Arantor

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #22, on July 13th, 2011, 01:48 AM »
I thought it was CoD. I don't get out much. But hopefully my point is well taken ;)

[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #23, on July 13th, 2011, 01:51 AM »
I voted for Mod.  What Snape said.
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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #24, on July 13th, 2011, 01:57 AM »
I went ahead and went for Add-ons. After viewing this topic a few times I started making a few associations

Add-on strikes me as a more global term for adding on features.
Plugin strikes me as a type of add-on and further the type of add-on that makes minimal file edits.
Mod for module will mainly be taken as mod for modification especially by SMFers.
*A modification strikes me as a type of add-on as well, just 1 that adds new features by making file edits.
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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #25, on July 13th, 2011, 07:52 AM »
Add-ons. Because they add tothe forum.

Modules might even be shortened to mods. Plus it reminds me of Dream Portal.
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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #26, on July 13th, 2011, 08:44 AM »
Quote from live627 on July 13th, 2011, 07:52 AM
Add-ons. Because they add tothe forum.

Modules might even be shortened to mods. Plus it reminds me of Dream Portal.
Addon can remove, too.

Why would mods be a problem?

Tight race in here. I'm rooting for mods. Pete is rooting for addons. I feel like it's the fight of the century :^^;:
Posted: July 13th, 2011, 07:57 AM

Interesting pattern.

Look at the primary language of the voters for Addons. See...?
Cultural thing maybe?
[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #27, on July 13th, 2011, 12:59 PM »
Seriously, 66% of Plugin voters aren't native English speakers, and a similar ratio for Mod voters.
On the other hand, at least 10 of the 14 Add-on voter are native English speakers. Maybe more (there's a limit to IP analysis :P)

So it makes me think the word 'add-on' is very natural to you guys, while non-English countries never use it, and prefer to use other words, like extensions, plugins or mods.
So my guess is that all of the Wedge translations will use another word as well.

Now the question would be -- what is the most UNIVERSALLY understood word to qualify a module/plugin/whatever, regardless of the DETAILS of the implementation?

I'd tend to say plugin but I'm not sure. Definitely not 'add-on'...

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #28, on July 13th, 2011, 01:28 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on July 13th, 2011, 12:59 PM
So it makes me think the word 'add-on' is very natural to you guys, while non-English countries never use it, and prefer to use other words, like extensions, plugins or mods.
Don't know, I am Spanish and I use add-ons. But of course maybe I am not a good example after so many years living in Scotland and all the time I was working with Americans and British in Tenerife. Maybe you have a point there.  :hmm:
Quote from Arantor on July 13th, 2011, 12:44 AM
In other news, can I rename this 'the bikeshed thread'? :D
As Norodo pointed out mods used to have motorbikes (see the photo) so they should have a bikeshed.  :lol:

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[Naming poll] Re: Packages
« Reply #29, on July 13th, 2011, 01:30 PM »
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Maybe you have a point there.
*nods* I wouldn't be surprised if that were the reason, ultimately.
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so they should have a bikeshed.
Not the context I meant ;)