Arantor

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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #15, on September 12th, 2012, 05:28 PM »
Except that it isn't the same situation.

phpbb.com is the official site.
phpbb.de is actually run by the team - note that one of the phpbb.de admins is ALSO one of the phpbb.com core team, being one of the software developers.
phpbb.fr is also run by one of the team members, specifically a member of the main Styles team.


To be honest, though, I don't know why I'm bothering arguing. It's going to happen one way or the other, no matter whether I think it's appropriate or not. And on top every time something like this happens, I end up wondering whether I'm still doing more harm to this project by staying, than would happen if I actually left.
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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #16, on September 13th, 2012, 01:47 AM »
Enthusiasm aside, I believe a local or fans site is too premature at this time.

This is anecdotal : but some of the localized/fans open source site are not maintained after some time(at least in my own country), maybe it's not gaining any traction or lack of knowledge to helping someone.

I agree that if a fan site(with wedge.[YourCountryTLD] should not misled user, because I had seen some of fan runned forum give a bad reputation. Wedge.org cannot control what they do and say in those forum, and it will be influence people perception at least in their country. PHPBB as Arantor said, some of them runned by official member, so some standard can be expected.

Official subforum in wedge.org is maybe more suitable.

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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #17, on September 13th, 2012, 06:58 AM »
Quote from Arantor on September 12th, 2012, 05:28 PM
on top every time something like this happens, I end up wondering whether I'm still doing more harm to this project by staying, than would happen if I actually left.
The person your talking to doesn't understand English very well, doesn't matter how well you explain what you mean. Do not worry about it, sadly it's more misunderstanding then anything. Without someone who could translate clearly into their native language it is a moot point. They over reacted, you harmed nothing. You tried to explain they don't get it end of story.
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Re: Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #18, on September 13th, 2012, 07:58 AM »
Quote from godboko71 on September 13th, 2012, 06:58 AM
They over reacted, you harmed nothing.
Hey -- nobody overreacted. We just talked. I just asked him to justify his reason for buying that particular domain name.
I'm just asking that people be sensitive about that kind of matter. i.e., either they use a proper domain name like 'wedgefans' or 'wedgeunofficial', or they clearly state in the *site header* that it isn't an official website. ("Unofficial Wedge support forum", etc...)

Those who overreact are those who remove their accounts / posts / actions when they don't like where a conversation is going. Now that's overreacting. Pete even did that a few times over at sm.org :P
Re: Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #19, on September 13th, 2012, 08:02 AM »
Quote from Arantor on September 12th, 2012, 05:28 PM
I end up wondering whether I'm still doing more harm to this project by staying, than would happen if I actually left.
Well, for starters, someone would have to finish whatever features you were working on by yourself... i.e. making a calendar plugin, IPv6 support (which apparently is now supported in SMF 2.1 as well, but to what extent I don't know...), plugins replacing mods, moderation rules vs post unapproval, etc, etc...
Some of which I don't even want to touch with a ten-foot pole. Even because I have no interest in them, or because they're so complex, I just wouldn't feel up to the task. :^^;:

And let's be honest -- say you leave the project. Then I release it. Then you use it. Then you start helping again. Until you get to be in the team again...

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Re: Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #20, on September 13th, 2012, 08:20 AM »
If you do not like the Russian site then why not write about it in the official site of the Russian-speaking sub-forum smf?
if I had seen before, that he did wrong that would not create this.
Who told you that I do official site? where I live people do not look at the domain, and the fact that is on the site and are looking for a site through Google and not by a beautiful name.
you have discussed?
I can represent you if you do not have anything?
on my site says that I have to present?
I imagine what that country? that does not exist?
Millions of people write notes on the engines in their blogs, and that now they must ask someone permission to do so?
fan of the word in my language uachno rhymes with stupid

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Re: Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #21, on September 13th, 2012, 05:27 PM »
Are you talking to me...?
Quote from Inter on September 13th, 2012, 08:20 AM
Who told you that I do official site? where I live people do not look at the domain, and the fact that is on the site and are looking for a site through Google and not by a beautiful name.
"In Soviet Russia, you don't look at the .su domain name. The .su domain name looks at you."

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Millions of people write notes on the engines in their blogs, and that now they must ask someone permission to do so?
You don't have to seek permission to mention the name Wedge. But using it to imply that this is an official website is a breach of our trademark.

There's a reason I'm discussing this with you now, rather than later... It's to ensure that everyone's happy in the end.
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fan of the word in my language uachno rhymes with stupid
Very well.

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Re: Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #22, on September 13th, 2012, 10:09 PM »
They go through this regularly on SMF... it's incredibly frustrating.

i.e. SMFitalia claims to be the "official" italian support site for smf and even republishes smf announcements in italian from their own site.

people sign up at "freesmfforums" and assume they are associated with and supported by the official smf site...

all I can do is bang my head on the desk, multiple times....

The only thing SMF does these days is request that any site using the SMF tradmarked name, etc in the forum, url or site name state that they are not officially associated with Simple Machines. I don't think it is too much to ask...   and it looks like Nao is just asking for the same thing.

And sorry, inter...   if someone is looking for Wedge in russian, yes, they most certainly will look at the URL and assume that wedge.su is an official site, unless it states otherwise.

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Re: Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #24, on September 14th, 2012, 03:01 AM »
or even a nice statement indicating
"This is an unofficial Wedge fan site. This site is not associated with nor endorsed by Wedge"

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Re: Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #25, on September 14th, 2012, 04:20 AM »
Quote from Nao on September 13th, 2012, 07:58 AM
Quote from godboko71 on September 13th, 2012, 06:58 AM
They over reacted, you harmed nothing.
Hey -- nobody overreacted. We just talked. I just asked him to justify his reason for buying that particular domain name.
I'm just asking that people be sensitive about that kind of matter. i.e., either they use a proper domain name like 'wedgefans' or 'wedgeunofficial', or they clearly state in the *site header* that it isn't an official website. ("Unofficial Wedge support forum", etc...)

Those who overreact are those who remove their accounts / posts / actions when they don't like where a conversation is going. Now that's overreacting. Pete even did that a few times over at sm.org :P
My post was in no way directed at you, sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Re: Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #26, on September 15th, 2012, 10:26 AM »Last edited on September 15th, 2012, 10:32 AM
If you want a domain I can sell it to you
or can be exchanged for a different domain, as this to me is no longer needed

I personally do not like the fans' domains
too long ugly name

su domains in my country to buy a domain name for beauty
I can not officially represent the country if it does not exist
Soviet Russia in the past

I have not written anywhere that officially represent your site
you judge me for what I did not commit

Kindred, su domain no one is looking
Posted: September 15th, 2012, 10:15 AM

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wedge.travel    
wedge.aero
wedge.pro
wedge.ag
wedge.hn    
wedge.lc    
wedge.mn
wedge.sc    
wedge.vc

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Re: Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #27, on September 15th, 2012, 11:45 AM »
Just offering my opinion. :)
Personally I like your initiative[1] for wedge fan site. But like I stated before, It's still relatively too early to create a localized fan site.
Quote from Inter on September 15th, 2012, 10:26 AM
I personally do not like the fans' domains
too long ugly name

su domains in my country to buy a domain name for beauty
I can not officially represent the country if it does not exist
Soviet Russia in the past

I have not written anywhere that officially represent your site
you judge me for what I did not commit
Kindred, su domain no one is looking
Yes I understand your point, but with a fan suffix the site intention and relationship with wedge.org is clear.

The others is not judging you, but they worried about the implication from your domain name and what will be happen in the future based on their own experience as SMF contributor
Quote from Inter on September 15th, 2012, 10:26 AM
Posted: September 15th, 2012, 10:15 AM

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wedge.travel    
wedge.aero
wedge.pro
wedge.ag
wedge.hn    
wedge.lc    
wedge.mn
wedge.sc    
wedge.vc
 1. I want to create one too in my language
I don't know what should I making of from this list? Should wedge registered all the available ones?

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Re: Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #28, on September 15th, 2012, 04:01 PM »
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I have not written anywhere that officially represent your site
you judge me for what I did not commit
No, I judge it on how others will receive it.

If you don't say it's unofficial, people assume it IS official, even if you don't say it is official. Thus you need to say it is unofficial.