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Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« on September 12th, 2012, 11:03 AM »
Do tell us if we're bothering you... :whistle:

Inter, what's that site in your signature, wedge.su?! If anything, why didn't I hear about it until now? Why didn't you ask for authorization? What are your plans for this? Why use a TLD with a bad reputation?

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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #2, on September 12th, 2012, 01:08 PM »
Then why not 'wedgefans' or something for your domain name?
'wedge.su' is misleading... It's implying an official forum status.

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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #4, on September 12th, 2012, 03:42 PM »
Are they official sites or fan sites?

It's very misleading because it implies that it is official when it isn't. I'm aware of the number of problems caused in the past by the Russian equivalent of SMF's site, too.
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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #6, on September 12th, 2012, 03:55 PM »
* Arantor calls strawman.

Anyway. Look at the URLs, they don't look like the official URL. The only URLs that actually mimic the main URL as opposed to using a deliberately different domain are the ones that historically cause the most fuck-ups: Korean, Polish, Russian.

You may think you're being wonderful and doing this for us, and had you actually asked first there's a chance it would have been better received, but doing it without our permission is only going to piss us off, especially since I know, as I said, how much crap was caused by this behaviour in the past.

The bottom line: it looks like it's an official site, and it isn't. We do not want to be associated with that, because any crap that happens over there spills over here too. I've seen it before, more than once.

I have no objection to a fan site, in whatever language you want but I do NOT want it with the main Wedge name. wedgefans.ru would be fine, as would wedgeunofficial or whatever. But using the wedge name on its own gives it an air of officialdom that is simply wrong.

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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #8, on September 12th, 2012, 04:12 PM »Last edited on September 12th, 2012, 04:28 PM
shit is everywhere.

Well then, I do not go over there about your website.
I can safely make mods for SMF and enjoy life.
remove my themes and my profile from this site.

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Arantor, SMF to ofsayte not need to help me and answer my questions, I'd like something without your help I will do


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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #9, on September 12th, 2012, 04:40 PM »
No-one's asking you to come over here, you did that all by yourself.

Go nuts and make mods for SMF, god knows there's a shortage of people over there.

Let me explain what my problem is, because I don't think you're understanding. You're thinking that an unofficial forum is fine. It is. But when you make it looks like the official forum, people will think it IS the official forum. simplemachines.ru looks just like simplemachines.org/community/ and people WILL get confused.

Is it too much to ask that an unofficial community doesn't actively pretend to be the main forum just in another language?
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remove my themes and my profile from this site.
You didn't post any themes, so nothing to remove. As far as removing profiles go, we don't do that after some events not that long ago.
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Arantor, SMF to ofsayte not need to help me and answer my questions, I'd like something without your help I will do
Let me explain something to you that I doubt you knew before. It has, in the past, been discussed about getting simplemachines.ru closed down because of the reasons I've mentioned. If it didn't actively try to pretend to be the main site - different domain name (not just a different tld), and different theme, there wouldn't be a problem.

Turn it around. If you went away and made something awesome, would you want people making a site that directly copied it? Would you honestly be happy if I found your site and copied it just changing the domain name and language to English?

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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #11, on September 12th, 2012, 04:57 PM »
Except that phpBB's sites all do EXACTLY what I'm saying - almost every one of the sites has a different domain name. What is so hard for you to understand about this?
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site has always worked and is working
Yes, I know, but it has been discussed getting it closed down due to trademark violations and various problems it has caused.

I can't force you to stay but apparently neither can I get through this fairly simple point that I don't want sites pretending to be things they're not. I'm not saying you can't do what you want to do, I'm just saying I don't like the domain name you're using because it makes it seem more official than it actually is.

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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #12, on September 12th, 2012, 04:58 PM »
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Go nuts and make mods for SMF, god knows there's a shortage of people over there.
and who to you granted the right me to offend? I didn't speak that there are no people

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Re : Wedge fan sites? (Was: symfony vs zend)
« Reply #13, on September 12th, 2012, 05:00 PM »
That wasn't an insult. You said you were going to go make mods for SMF. I was being enthusiastic about that fact because there aren't that many people making mods for SMF these days and more people would actually be beneficial.

I would also add, it is crap like this that made me try to quit a few weeks back, because people can't understand simple things about politeness of others' work.

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