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Kindred

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #495, on October 11th, 2012, 08:38 PM »
I dunno.... I didn't like the angels in this episode.
I loved them in Blink. They were scary as all hell in the later episode... this one, they just kinda were...
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Actually, the giant angel and the kid angels made them rather comic, instead of more scary.

As for Rory, etc...
I think we can infer that a sufficient paradox will "shut down" access to a particular place/time coordinate for travellers. It kinda makes sense...    and also explains why the Tardis has such a hard time getting in there to start with.

I had issues with Rory et al turning up in that graveyard though. If the paradox reset by reverting and casting out the cause, then they should have ended up back in the park.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #496, on October 11th, 2012, 09:32 PM »
Quote from Kindred on October 11th, 2012, 08:38 PM
I dunno.... I didn't like the angels in this episode.
I loved them in Blink.
After seeing them in so many more episodes, I tend to think that it was the episode that was just plain great, not the baddies.
Just like the baddies in Silence in the Library would probably not be as good without that particular gem of a script...

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I had issues with Rory et al turning up in that graveyard though. If the paradox reset by reverting and casting out the cause, then they should have ended up back in the park.
And the book shouldn't have been written, etc... It's a paradox, after all: it just stops making sense.

Hmm, recently I watched Looper (which I loved because it was so full of good ideas, and then hated because it became so boring and predictable), and it ends with a paradox as well... But the only way to solve it in a realistic manner is to... (Spoiler in spoiler! Woo!)
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Assume that the kid is the hero (last scene shows that he has a forehead wound and the hero has one too, hasn't he..? Why show that final shot otherwise?), and for some reason he's supposed to go back to the past again and become the young version of the guy... Which means the guy slept with his own mother. Funny. But that's really the only way to solve the paradox: if the young hero dies, then the kid has no trauma, then he doesn't become a baddie, probably doesn't need to come back to the past, so the young version doesn't exist anymore, in which case the kid has no trauma, etc, etc... It's a never-ending loop, but it actually reinforces the paradox effect, rather than weaken it.

(Why the hell do these spoiler alerts only show the first word I'm indicating...? Even using double quotes doesn't help...)

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #497, on October 12th, 2012, 09:57 PM »
In response to that episode... there is actually a small scene, written by Chris Chibnall, but for some reason it wasn't actually filmed (though it does have voice acting)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWU6XL9xI4k

You know what... even without being filmed it's powerful stuff. In fact I think it's almost more powerful because it's NOT filmed. The drawings used actually convey something of the emotion in it.
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #498, on October 12th, 2012, 10:43 PM »
Thank you for sharing this beautiful scene...! I'm glad I watched it. :)

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #499, on October 12th, 2012, 11:07 PM »
ok...   that was awesome.
I wish they had filmed it... (even though I agree that it was powerful in drawing and description)   it's better than the ending they used.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #500, on October 13th, 2012, 05:37 PM »
Problem is -- should it have been shown at the end of The Power of Three, or the last episode...?

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #501, on October 13th, 2012, 07:29 PM »
At the end of the last episode.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #502, on October 13th, 2012, 10:58 PM »
But it's not what the video suggests..? Also, writer != Moffat...

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #503, on October 13th, 2012, 11:01 PM »
Considering that it directly follows on after the events of the last episode, it seems logical that's where it should go, yes? At the end of the Power of Three, Amy and Rory do not yet know they will never return home.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #504, on October 14th, 2012, 12:11 AM »
Yes, but then at the end of Angels, it kinda overlaps with the 'letter at the end of the book' thingy...
So, Amy contacts the Doctor through a book she publishes for everyone to see. Rory contacts his father through a letter. Couldn't they just both send a letter to his father and ask him to tell the Doctor next time he'll visit...? (Because he's going to visit to tell him Rory won't come back, won't he...?)

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #505, on October 14th, 2012, 12:22 AM »
Davros was right - the Doctor... the man who runs, who never looks back because he daren't - out of shame. No, he wouldn't go back to tell Brian what happened. He'll just move on and take that guilt with him, like he does every time. This is not the first time he has had to abandon his companions to their fate.

Even in New Who, he had to leave Donna to her fate, forgetting him. But look back at Old Who, you have Adric[1], Peri[2], Jamie and Zoe[3], Sarah Jane[4]... the list goes on, but it's not always them leaving because they want to, or he wants them to, but because circumstances forces him to leave them behind in some fashion.

That's incidentally one of the things that is objected to - how does the Doctor know his companions will be safe? The answer is, ultimately he doesn't.
 1. Dead. Not really missed.
 2. She was left with King Yrcanos (Brian Blessed, no less, looking like he'd just stepped off the set of Flash Gordon), with her thought to be dead for several episodes of Trial of a Time Lord.
 3. After the Time Lords caught up with the Doctor back in his second incarnation, they forced a regeneration, sent these two home with no memory of the Doctor and largely exiled him on Earth.
 4. She was left behind, hundreds of miles from home, because the Doctor had to return home to Gallifrey.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #506, on December 26th, 2012, 10:08 PM »
So, what were your thoughts about last night's special?

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Plot-wise, it was a bit light-hearted, eh? Loved most of the dialogue, though! Love the new intro -- "the face" returns! Not feeling the new TARDIS interior yet, but it looks like a machine again -- right in time for the 50th anniversary, of course.

As for Clara... really looking forward to seeing more of her. Did you notice her date of birth? Ties in nicely with the show's first broadcast. Also, the fact that she's died twice... remind you of a certain series? Perhaps I'm going on a limb here, but at least some aspects of her character seem to be metaphors for the show, somehow.

Is it April yet? ;)
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #507, on December 27th, 2012, 02:06 PM »
I loved it. Nuff said ;)

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #508, on December 27th, 2012, 04:06 PM »
I really liked it...

and I love Clara.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #509, on December 27th, 2012, 04:07 PM »
I will get around to watching it shortly, I'm sure... been busy the last couple of days and not nearly enough sleep.
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