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Title: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 24th, 2011, 11:02 AM
Okay, we need our own topic for this...
Given that it's a bit complicated to discuss it thoroughly in thoughts, especially when it comes to posting videos, images and spoiler tags.

So, I just wanted to say I loved the first episode, but I think I hated it more. I loved the scene where River talks to Rory in private. I loved Mark Sheppard's character (too bad he won't be a regular here). I loved River and Rory in general, Amy was a bit less exuberant than in season 5 (I don't know what to think about that), and the Doctor pissed me off with being so crazy as usual with his new incarnation. Although I loved him in season 5, I think I tend to miss David Tennant's more 'human' incarnation of him. I was hoping for the Doctor to become more human again, but obviously this isn't going to happen. He's just... alien. Which makes sense, but...

Anyway, so here are my theories. About River.

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Last season, I think she said she was in prison for killing someone, someone she loved. I thought "The Doctor, maybe?". But it didn't make sense. Well, now it does... It's obviously her in the spacesuit. For some reason, she kills him. Maybe because she wants David Tennant back? I don't know. I wouldn't blame her.

Another theory... Amy said she was pregnant. Okay, Amy Pond, pregnant... With whom? Why not River Song? She's from the future after all. Pond, River... River Pond, River Song... (Uh what's Amy's new last name already? :P)
Plus, there's a kid in the spacesuit... Maybe it's River Song again. I don't know.

And about the Silents... I can't help but think when I look at them, "Are they supposed to represent the average Americain's TV attention span?" After all, the first thing the Silent does is kill an American woman who can't seem to remember him... And to me, this episode was obviously not tailored for the average American TV viewer. They'll just get confused by so much happening.

One of the things that annoy me about Moffat's treatments in season 5 is how packed they are, story-wise. It's like he's afraid that people are going to be bored... But my favorite episodes in season 5 were not these action-packed episodes -- there you ago, the Van Gogh episode was plain fantastic, the Lodger episode was great, and even that Moffat thing in space was pretty cool to me (it was more akin to Moffat's good old style with children in the center of the story.) (And he's back to that in 6x01 obviously.)

Here's wondering if I'm not more excited about the upcoming season 2 of Sherlock... Seriously, 1x01 blew my mind last year.

Or maybe season 4 of Merlin... What? Now that's not a complicated show, ah ah. They're starting the Pierrefonds (Camelot) shoot next Tuesday, and my girlfriend wants to go there and see if they've already set up the sets for the show -- it's very likely. Well, that'd be fun. After all, I never got to see the sets for Kaamelott[1]. (I love it when I put a footnote right at the end of a post.)
 1. Best French show ever-- and they shot the first 3 seasons about 2km from my place. But I didn't even know at the time. They only said that once they'd moved their studios to Lyon...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: YogiBear on April 24th, 2011, 12:44 PM
Hmm, it's now a co-production between BBC Cardiff and BBC America but, like the CSI series, does acknowledge there is a more demanding American audience who appreciate a good story which makes you think.

The control area built underground by the Silent looks remakably like the control area in the first floor of the house in the episodes of The Lodger.

It'll be interesting to see how the storyline progresses throughout the series.

Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 24th, 2011, 03:42 PM
So, let's recap what we do know.

S5, River tells the Doctor + Amy that she was in prison for killing a man. Father Octavian says the man was 'a good man, a hero to many'. Right now we're all supposed to be thinking the Doctor on that basis. The Doctor also asks River if he can trust her, and she replies, "If you like."

Spoilers all relate to S6E1 itself, so as not to put out anyone who hasn't seen that yet but I consider anything from S5 fair game.

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River says that her and the Doctor are travelling in opposite directions, and one day she's going to meet him and he won't know who she is. We've seen this - it was Silence in the Library. The Doctor has yet to tell her his real name, I doubt Moffat will tell us, though!

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The person shooting the Doctor is someone River knows, because when she tries to shoot the astronaut, it doesn't work and she realises why. The only way that can work is if she knows who it is. Presumably it can't be her as a child, because if it were, she'd remember it.

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The new race, the Silents, intrigues me. Clearly they're manipulative, and can not only make you forget, they can also make you think things you weren't thinking before - and not just through fear.

They intrigue me more because the message from the previous season was that *Silence* will fall, not *The silence* will fall.

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Both River and Amy felt sick after seeing the Silents and having their memory adjusted. But I think Amy saying she's pregnant is a misdirection. After all, "if I always told you the truth, I wouldn't need you to trust me."
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dragooon on April 24th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Freekin'  crazy people.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 24th, 2011, 06:18 PM
One other thing I'll add.

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"Don't play games with me. Don't ever think you are capable of that." -- the Doctor.

Why am I getting spidey-sense tingles of an arc like the Seventh Doctor, that he isn't just this daft old mad man with a box, but in reality a slightly Machiavellian figure who doesn't play chess with pieces on a board, but with lives and destinies?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 24th, 2011, 07:41 PM
Well, these are interesting theories indeed... I guess we'll have to wait and see! Moffat always likes to surprise us. Fun :)

Unrelated, but we did go to Pierrefonds today. Didn't see much 'evidence' that they were starting to shoot Merlin S4 over there, but the last picture shows proof of it. The weather was awfully hot but it was a great afternoon.

http://media.wedge.org/album/6/
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 24th, 2011, 08:33 PM
Awesome :)

Nice to see pretty URLs support on the URLs there actually ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 24th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Wasn't it already the case at noisen...?
(I actually had the media gallery completely broken in here. I had to remove everything because I deleted all files by mistake and the albums and pics were pointing to non-existent files. :-/)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: YogiBear on April 24th, 2011, 08:48 PM
(http://media.noisen.com/preview/3011/)


(Puff, pant) Bit of a tight squeeze in here until those trans-dimensional circuits arrive. Nao said to connect the red wire to this terminal, the blue one to that and the green one to...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 24th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 24th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Wasn't it already the case at noisen...?
(I actually had the media gallery completely broken in here. I had to remove everything because I deleted all files by mistake and the albums and pics were pointing to non-existent files. :-/)
I didn't ever notice it before... Doesn't mean it wasn't there before :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 25th, 2011, 02:06 AM
Quote from Arantor on April 24th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 24th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Wasn't it already the case at noisen...?
(I actually had the media gallery completely broken in here. I had to remove everything because I deleted all files by mistake and the albums and pics were pointing to non-existent files. :-/)
I didn't ever notice it before... Doesn't mean it wasn't there before :P
Your eyes deceives you.  :niark:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 25th, 2011, 02:10 PM
Yup, start of season 6 (Matt Smith/11th Doctor's second season)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 25th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Hopefully you didn't miss the Christmas episode either! That one was a keeper. (Well, I liked the "Next Doctor" one, but the new one really rocked. Moffat at his best.)

/meenjoys seeing so many Who fans here!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 25th, 2011, 04:32 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 25th, 2011, 03:31 PM
/meenjoys seeing so many Who fans here!
I'm not one of them to be honest.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 25th, 2011, 04:40 PM
Not a problem... You're missing out but that's your choice :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 25th, 2011, 04:43 PM
I'm sure it's a fun show assuming I had to watch from the beginning of the season...it's what, season 6 now? :P

I'm a House fan mosty. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on April 25th, 2011, 04:46 PM
Quote from Neil Gaiman
There's a big blue box. It's bigger on the inside than the outside. It can go anywhere in space and time, sometimes where it is supposed to go. Something will go wrong, and there's some bloke called The Doctor who'll make it all right because he's awesome. Now sit down, shut up and watch Blink.
Good suggestion at the end of the quote, really. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 25th, 2011, 04:58 PM
Technically, it's something like season 32, but season 6 is about right.

And honestly, the Doctor is far worse than House. @Aaron, if Blink doesn't get you into watching Dr Who, nothing will. It's easily one of the best *ever written* in my opinion.

Still, let's just recap some of the bad-ass moments from season 6's opener:

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"Don't play games with me. Don't ever, ever think you are capable of that."

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"I'm being extremely clever up here, and there's no one standing around looking impressed. What is the point of having you all?"

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"Fellas, the guns, really? I just walked into the highest security office in the United States and parked a big blue box on the rug. You think you can just shoot me?"

Going back a little further... more bad-ass moments from season 5:

The Doctor: Well, we are running into a dead end where I'm going to have a brilliant plan that basically involves not being in one.

The Doctor: Now the question of the hour is, "Who's got the Pandorica?" Answer: I do. Next question: Who's coming to take it from me? [Pause] Come on! Look at me! No plan, no back-up, no weapons worth a damn! Oh, and something else I don't have: Anything to lose! So, if you're sitting up there in your silly little spaceships, with all your silly little guns, and you've got any plans on taking the Pandorica tonight, just remember who's standing in your way! Remember every black day I ever stopped you! And then, AND THEN... do the smart thing: Let somebody else try first.

Alaya: I'm the last of my species.
The Doctor: No. You're really not. Because I'm the last of my species and I know how it sits in a heart. So don't insult me.

Angel Bob: Doctor? Excuse me, hello, Doctor? Angel Bob here, sir.
The Doctor: Ah, there you are, Angel Bob. How's life? Sorry, bad subject.
Angel Bob: The Angels are wondering what you hope to achieve.
The Doctor: Achieve? We're not achieving anything. We're just hanging, it's nice in here: consoles; comfy chairs; a forest... how's things with you?
Angel Bob: The Angels are feasting, sir. Soon we will be able to absorb enough power to consume this vessel, this world, and all the stars and worlds beyond.
The Doctor: Yeah, but we've got comfy chairs. Did I mention?
Angel Bob: We have no need for comfy chairs.
The Doctor: [amused] I made him say "comfy chairs".

The Doctor: [aiming gun at the ceiling] Didn't anyone ever tell you? There's one thing you never put in a trap if you're smart. If you value your continued existence, if you have any plans about seeing tomorrow, there's one thing you never, ever put in a trap.
Angel Bob: And what would that be, sir?
The Doctor: Me. [fires]


Dr House vs The Doctor... well, everybody dies.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on April 25th, 2011, 05:33 PM
Quote from Arantor on April 25th, 2011, 04:58 PM
And honestly, the Doctor is far worse than House. @Aaron, if Blink doesn't get you into watching Dr Who, nothing will. It's easily one of the best *ever written* in my opinion.
Indeed. I usually recommended both Blink (Doctor-lite) and The Girl In The Fireplace (full of him) to friends who want to pick up the series. :)

ETA: love the quotes! Oh, and in case you misinterpreted the smiley, I really do agree with Neil Gaiman on Blink. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 25th, 2011, 06:06 PM
The only time I made someone discover Dr Who, I showed him Blink first... Not my favorite episode (in my tope 5 though), but I knew it'd be 'the' episode. He watched the whole show the following week ;) (And got me and Milady to get lost in London trying to find his dread Who Shop... When the same amount of goods were to be found the next day at Fantastic Planet. D'oh.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 25th, 2011, 07:29 PM
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That, and the Silence in the Library episodes, quite good ones.
Blink, Girl in the Fireplace, and the Library episodes were all written by Steven Moffat, the current lead writer ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 30th, 2011, 11:37 PM
OK, so S6E2 was on this evening, and it's even more WTF than before if that's possible.

But still, a few things to chew on.

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"You're building me a perfect prison and it still won't be enough."

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We're getting closer to the point where River's first meeting with the Doctor (and his last with her); they've had her last/his first kiss. Though I thought the whole 'out of order' thing was not quite so literal in the fact that they're headed in opposite directions.

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How is Amy both pregnant and not pregnant? Non human child? Part Time Lord, perhaps?

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More interestingly, who the hell is that (at least part) Time Lord child? The actress has played a young Alex Kingston in other things, so there's definitely a tick in the box for 'Young River Song'. Plus all the stuff with Amy seeing photos of herself with a child, so another tick goes in the 'Amy's Child' box. Perhaps that's the same box, but even that's too obvious for Moffat: Amy being River's mother? Bonus points for the conspiracy fans with Pond -> River at least.

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Still, we found the swimming pool in the TARDIS now!

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So, the Lodger's quasi-TARDIS is operated by the Silence. What, exactly, is it? Is it a TARDIS? Is it a stolen, bastardised attempt at a TARDIS? Or is it something else, that's just left to give us an uncomfortable familiarity?

Overall, it's answered a few questions for now, and left far more for the rest of the season - much like S5E1 did. Still many more questions to be answered, though.

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The most important question still to be resolved, is who exactly is River Song.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 30th, 2011, 11:42 PM
I have the episode but can't watch it. Girlfriend too busy speaking with her friend. Ahhhhh >_<
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 30th, 2011, 11:45 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 30th, 2011, 11:42 PM
I have the episode but can't watch it. Girlfriend too busy speaking with her friend. Ahhhhh >_<
I feel for you, I really do. Fortunately both of us wanted to watch, and we turned the phone off first.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on May 1st, 2011, 12:42 AM
It was brilliant though, wasn't it. Properly bonkers -- a great successor to the first part. This is going to be a superb series, isn't it? :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 1st, 2011, 12:44 AM
Oh, completely bonkers, yes :D

I'm looking forward to next week...
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...on board the pirate ship!

In other news I acquired some 'Lego compatible' stuff today which features the Doctor, Amy, the TARDIS, the Dalek Progenitor Machine and the white Supreme Dalek.

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And since I already own a big-ass pirate ship of Lego... the TARDIS may just have to land on deck for a photo-op...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 1st, 2011, 01:14 AM
Okay, I ended up watching the episode alone... And hated it.

Really, it's confusing from beginning to end. There was nothing enjoyable in this episode. The funny parts were few and far between. Matt Smith is starting to annoy me with his inability to relate to others (he seems *wicked* far too often for me), the story was too convoluted (and what was the problem with the Silence anyway? They seemed harmless to me...) and the story points at the end felt phony to me. I have absolutely no interest in that crap...

The only scenes that worked for me: last scene with River (what she said -- that's exactly what I thought when it happened), and the Rory paranoia at the end too. As for the rest... Well, I fear Moffat is overwhelmed by his work and he can't do everything properly. Hopefully that means he focused a lot more on Sherlock this year... :whistle:

Waiting for next week's episode, but frankly it looked cheap to me. Pirate ship... in the dog? Hello, studio shoot? I'm more interested in Neil Gaiman's episode... (Although the title now makes me fear we'll be getting even more nonsensical storylines.)

Don't get me wrong, I love Who and I love Moffat even more. I just hated that double episode all in all, probably because it's so different compared to earlier Moffat episodes. I like my Doctor best when he's playful and doesn't get into huge conspiracies and stuff. Basically -- when it's not moving into "end of season" RTD territory.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 1st, 2011, 01:24 AM
Confusing... I won't argue with that entirely; mostly because it doesn't answer enough questions. There's still a lot of stuff left unanswered, and it smacks of the one thing that irritated me a little in season 5: the crack in Amy's wall was there in Every Single Episode. Didn't matter what, it was there in some fashion, some shape or form, as though each episode wasn't just part of events, but it was all part of this mega huge scheme that it didn't need to be.

As for the problem with the Silence...
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They were the ones who drew the TARDIS to where it was at the end of Season 5, and as far as we know, the ones who caused it to blow up. The Pandorica trap was designed to snare the Doctor, but what none of the Alliance realised was that it wasn't the Doctor himself that caused the end of the Universe, but his TARDIS exploding, but it wasn't explained in the Big Bang why the TARDIS exploded.

The pirate episode...
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We've already had a spoiler of that; it's the scene that happens right at the start of S6E1 where the Doctor is hiding, I think you'll find. But I think it'll be more back to being playful.

As for Gaiman's episode... This is a spoiler, rather than opinion. Click at your peril.
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Gaiman's original draft called for very expensive effects, and even after 'shaking down and stealing the lunch money of other episodes', they decided they couldn't afford it. So they're using the Ood again, this time with green eyes. And a character called Idris, who by all speculation seems like it might be someone we already know. Moffat hasn't been against meta references to Old Who; since S5E1 we have seen the faces of the First Doctor three times, the Second Doctor twice, and all other Doctors at least once, plus the writing on the oldest cliff face in the Universe, where River writes 'Hello Sweetie', the first two characters on the second line were Theta Sigma, the Doctor's "nickname" when at school going way back. So, maybe there's more to this yet.

There is one more thing that should be noted.
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There is a mid-season break. We're basically 1/3 the way through this half the season already, and the consequences of what's happened are still going to be felt. We haven't seen the last of any of it yet. Not the Silence, not the you-know-what at the end of the episode. Not of the FBI dude. Not of any of it. The Doctor is going to rise high, and then fall further than he has ever fallen. That's still to come. And who River Song is.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 1st, 2011, 08:30 AM
I don't remember much (if anything) about season 5's Tardis stuff and Silence stuff. I remember the cracks but I can't even remember what they stood for.
I did, however, love Prisoner Zero from beginning to end. That was a flippin' fantastic episode. And it didn't require a doubled length (only a few extra minutes) to pack in all of the story, season arc presentation, AND character introductions, into the episode.

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6x01-6x02 waste time on stupid things like Mr. President Oh You're Gonna Love Your Future, they're not developed enough, should have been thrown out entirely and replaced with longer exposition scenes because really, they could have used those. Heck, even Canton could have been thrown out because in the end he's underused and has just become gimmicky by episode 2. I'd have loved to see better integration for him... But too many characters, I guess.

I can't emphasize enough the importance of rhythm in writing. This week I watched 'Source Code' and absolutely loved the script's fluidity. Still, it wasn't pre-chewed/pre-digested. Then I watched 'The Names of Love' (Allenesque French movie), another piece of great writing and excellent rhythm. For me to see Who less than an hour after that movie -- it made it too painfully obvious that Moffat was perhaps a bit over the top here. He's so great at Sherlock, I trust his writing so much -- but he completely blew it in these two episodes. Hopefully the rest of the season will be great enough to make me reconsider these -- just as I appreciated the Angels episodes a bit more in season 5 after watching The Big Bang.

I don't see where we could have had a reference to the pirate episode in 6x01...

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And even after a good night's sleep, I still don't give a freakin' damn that the doctor has a daughter. Sigh.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 1st, 2011, 02:45 PM
Apparently they pretty much said they were sorry for the colored Dalek fiasco. If we get any Daleks in this season (it won't be a Dalek-centric episode anyway), it'll be the old kind. (Phew.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 14th, 2011, 10:46 PM
OK, so it's been a bit long since the last post.

Curse of the Black Spot
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A lot more back to 'having fun' than the series openers. Highlight of the episode was Amy being a pirate, low point was Rory not actually dying (again). I don't like him much.

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Pacing was wrong, too. It ran nicely for about 3/4 of the episode, then crammed so much into the last 10 minutes, with a little too much going on with multiple separate story lines resolving together. Still, interesting position if they plan to run another spin-off.

Episode 4
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Even the title is a spoiler: The Doctor's Wife

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Figuring out who the aforementioned Wife wasn't a surprise. Throws some possibilities into the little girl who can regenerate - visually if nothing else.

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"The only water in the forest is a river." Oh, so many options... the Library, perhaps? The forest on the Byzantium? Hmm...

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The writing in this episode, of Idris, of who Idris was/is, of the dialogue of the House... this is easily one of the best episodes yet, IMHO. It certainly expands the nature of the Doctor's relationship with his TARDIS - but in a way that isn't trite or cliche, and feels so right. The notion that the TARDIS stole him... that was genius - and that twist is so undeniably Gaiman (e.g. with reference to Whatever Happened To Batman?)

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There aren't many characters whose tale will elicit a tear, but this... this one could.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 14th, 2011, 10:52 PM
I got spoiled about who the mad girl is. I shouldn't be looking for episode ratings >_<
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 14th, 2011, 10:55 PM
I deliberately stopped even looking online after the first episode, too many spoilers. I found myself enjoying things more without the spoilers or prequels or trailers.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 14th, 2011, 11:20 PM
Okay, the spoiler I read about, was pretty much given away right before the opening credits so I'll be fine with it...

Milady doesn't want to watch tonight. >_< I guess I'll have to sneak around her and watch in private :P Neil Gaiman doesn't wait!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 15th, 2011, 12:21 AM
'kay, finished the episode... Was fantastic! :)

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Episode 3, I liked a lot, except for the low budget. The boat was cool, but it was always at night and foggy... I felt let down. I liked the last few minutes but I strongly doubt this could make spin-off material really. The captain is nice enough, but the other characters were just red shirts after all.

Episode 4 now -- can't say much about it... I loved it from the first minute to the last. Had I not known it was written by Gaiman, I would have called it genius anyway. The dialogue was the strongest part of the episode, some of my fave lines of the trailers were in it. Suranne Jones is smoking hot, and fun. The Doctor was brilliantly lost, and he actually lost it towards the end, nearly crying over what was happening. Wow. Matt Smith really did a great job here. His lines still had too much of a fast-paced execution to me, but at least it enabled him to say more lines, eheh.

Oh, and I love Rory, I think I said it already but I've loved him from his first guest spot, and loved him even more after the Big Bang and his... demonstration of patience. The character was fleshed out and actually is more human to me than Amy. And hey, his 'patience' thing was again referred to in this episode! Yay for continuity!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on May 15th, 2011, 01:53 AM
Amazing episode. Indeed, Neil Gaiman did not fail to deliver. I agree, easily one of the best ones yet. :D

That said, I'm off to bed. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 15th, 2011, 12:14 PM
Pete, I was re-reading your spoilers and -- I don't really see in what way this episode gives any hint about the little girl, really. This SFX seems kinda like stock shot material to me.

Still, I'm gonna watch the episode again today... Come to think of it, Gaiman is the only ever guy who wrote for two of my Top 5 shows -- Dr Who and Babylon 5. Yay for him. I'm glad I met him in person a few years ago :) (was pretty much alone with him for a few minutes :eheh:)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 15th, 2011, 12:40 PM
Glowing hands? The quote?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 15th, 2011, 01:08 PM
What quote?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 15th, 2011, 03:29 PM
The one I quoted, in quote marks... :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 15th, 2011, 03:36 PM
I don't see what it would have to do with her.

(Personally, I can perfectly live without these boring series-wide arcs.... :^^;: If only Moffat could change the formula.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: YogiBear on May 15th, 2011, 05:02 PM
In the version shown in the UK we have to wait what seems 5-10 minutes into the episode for the opening credits. Is this pandering to the American market I wonder?

This happened with The New Avengers yet in the French dubbed version the credits were shown at the start.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 15th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Actually, the way it's been done is normal and has been for a little while (not just this season but at least the last two)

Yes, it's in no small part the way the US does it, but I actually like that because it drops you straight into the action, then gives you a few moments to imagine all the possibilities! Nothing like a little antici...pation to encourage you.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 15th, 2011, 06:30 PM
I agree, I like this presentation. Seems natural when handled correctly (like this week.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 21st, 2011, 09:06 PM
OK, episode 5.

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Doctor as peacemaker, it goes horribly wrong. Just like the Silurians again.

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This time with a fun cloned Doctor. Who might be evil of sorts.

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Not the most exciting of episodes. I've seen worse in DT's episodes (like New New York when Rose visited with DT) but not the best. Hopefully next episode will be better in the run up to the mid season break.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 21st, 2011, 09:24 PM
Double episode so I'll wait till next week.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on May 21st, 2011, 10:26 PM
I started watching Doctor Who thanks to yu and now I'm totally addicted, seriously, it's brilliant!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 21st, 2011, 10:58 PM
:)

Where are you up to?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on May 22nd, 2011, 01:35 AM
Finishing first season. It's kind of soft and I don't get used to since I was watching Breaking Bad (which is really hardcore).

But it's excellent, specially for a geeky guy like me :P
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Post by: Nao on May 22nd, 2011, 07:53 AM
Ah, Eccleston was so cool... Nice first season. But the show really gets cult status IMO around the end of season 3. At that point it becomes something like, 'there have been so many good episodes so far, let's hope the next one doesn't disappoint in comparison!'

Breaking Bad is 'hardcore'? I've never watched the show but how different could it be from Weeds, for instance? (I've only watched the first Weeds episode and no BB because, well... I'm not interested in the subject.)
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Post by: Arantor on May 22nd, 2011, 11:05 AM
Eccleston had a problem to face that was only faced briefly in 1996 with the TV movie: a show that's been off the air for years, with a large but dormant fanbase - bearing in mind that anyone who saw DW the first time around would have grown quite a bit since then, so they had to come up with something that appealed to kids as well as the nostalgia of their parents.

The season has a lot of great moments in it but it does distinctly have the feeling of taking tentative steps rather than the big expansive ones it can take now.

For me, season 1's highlights:
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The Empty Child two-parter, where we first see Captain Jack Harkness and the ever creepy, "Are you my mummy?", and the closing moments of the finale with the Time Vortex and the Heart of the TARDIS.

Season 2 is where it starts to extend its stride a bit.
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The Girl in the Fireplace, episode of epic. Plus one of my all time favourites, The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit.

Season 3 is definitely where it reaches real critical mass.
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The 2- or 3-part (depending on who you listen to) finale is pretty big, but the episode of the season, beyond any doubt is Blink.

Season 4 does a few interesting things.
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A big reunion in the finale, seeing how it was David's last full season as Doctor, but for me the epic moment of the season is the Silence in the Library / The Forest of the Dead, especially River Song's speech at the end.

I'll leave season 5 for now for commentary, I really need to rewatch it!
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Post by: DoctorMalboro on May 22nd, 2011, 04:15 PM
I don't like the Season 2 Who... It doesn't have a north accent :(

At least they didn't take Rose...
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Post by: Nao on May 22nd, 2011, 04:30 PM
Actually the actor is Scottish and he only refrained himself from using his accent when shooting ;)

Tennant isn't particularly exciting in the beginning, but he'll grow on you, don't worry. If only with Blink, Silence in the Library, and the ending to Waters of Mars. (That's where I definitely thought, "unbeatable actor for the Doctor." Too bad he was about to leave!)
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Post by: Arantor on May 22nd, 2011, 04:44 PM
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Actually the actor is Scottish and he only refrained himself from using his accent when shooting ;)
Except in Tooth & Claw. ;)
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Tennant isn't particularly exciting in the beginning, but he'll grow on you, don't worry. If only with Blink, Silence in the Library, and the ending to Waters of Mars. (That's where I definitely thought, "unbeatable actor for the Doctor." Too bad he was about to leave!)
I find his scripts actually gave him, generally speaking, less room to manuever as his run went on, because I was getting fed up of hearing "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry" virtually every episode. Angst is a wonderful conflict generator but turning a character into a walking bucket of angst instead of his role as narrator and guide... sorry, no.

(Remember, structurally and dramatically speaking, the Doctor himself isn't the focus of the stories, at least not the very best ones. It's really about the companions and their stories - and he's the facilitator and guide for their journeys. Season 5 particularly shows this: it's about Amy and Rory and their dynamic, as well as River - very little about the man himself really.)


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@DoctorMarlboro: I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. ;)
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Post by: Nao on May 22nd, 2011, 06:20 PM
I try not to think too much about how different the doctors are... To me, they're the same, with just a few quirks depending on the actor. Tennant was definitely the less crazy one -- but he made up for it by being hugely likable. Things like that...
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Post by: YogiBear on May 22nd, 2011, 11:22 PM
James Bond is good at regeneration too, considering the number of actors who have played the role. Odd how Q never noticed.  :lol:
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Post by: Arantor on May 22nd, 2011, 11:24 PM
There was an article I found... oh at least a decade ago, proclaiming that Bond was definitely a Time Lord, and goes on to explain it pretty convincingly; page is long since gone though.
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Post by: Nao on May 23rd, 2011, 10:31 AM
What if James Bond is a position, like 007 / M / Q / R, and not a real name? :P
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Post by: Arantor on May 23rd, 2011, 10:38 AM
*nods* As per "Sir James Bond", aka David Niven, in the original Casino Royale film. You can see how many James Bonds there...(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061452/)
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... vocationally devoted, sublimely disinterested. Hardly a description of that sexual acrobat who leaves a trail of dead beautiful women like so many blown roses behind him - that bounder to whom you gave my name and number.
I really must watch that again sometime. (David Niven, Peter Sellers, Woody Allen, Orson Welles and Ursula Undress Andress... what's not to like? :D)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 23rd, 2011, 12:45 PM
Ah yes, I have both Casino Royales on DVD/BluRay but I have yet to watch the first one... Even though it has some of my favorite artists in it.
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Post by: Nao on May 30th, 2011, 12:18 AM
I really enjoyed this double episode.

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Reminded me a bit of the Silence in the Library spirit, mixed in with a bit of Waters of Mars and a bit of Moon (the Duncan Jones movie). The new characters were pretty likable (except for the bland boy who barely said a word the whole time), and I cared about them (both clone and human versions).

As for the ending -- I didn't catch it the first time, so I rewatched it and got it: Amy was cloned the same way as originally intended, it wasn't a clone of her with its own memories -- she was in a harness of sorts, unaware of her real position, and was controlling a puppet clone all along. Hence the 'link to the Flesh' as mentioned by the Doctor. Nice one!

Rats. Means I'll have to watch next week's episode... Even though I didn't want to (because of the season-long cliffhanger.)
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Post by: Arantor on May 30th, 2011, 12:26 AM
Yes, it was very cleverly done at the end there.

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Tell you what, though, I had a distinct feeling of the two parter with the Silurians from S5, of the whole 'we're at war' and 'we can make a peace' motif.

You didn't think you were going to get away that lightly, did you? :P

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So, from the prequel to E7, we revisit an acquaintance, which means when we're going is definitely the 51st Century. Guess who lives then!

I have heard an interesting rumour about E13, actually, and who will be in it. It is pure speculation at this time, at least that the site mentioning said rumour has been known to be wrong, about a great many things. ONLY READ IF YOU WANT TO BE SPOILED!!

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IMDB lists the Ten, Eleven and Five all in it at the same time. Make of that what you will - but remember that Moffat has worked with Five, in the Time Crash special when he was alongside Ten.
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Post by: DoctorMalboro on May 30th, 2011, 03:24 AM
Are all the Dr Who's girls as hot as Billie Piper?
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Post by: Nao on May 30th, 2011, 07:08 AM
Current one is so much hotter!
Posted: May 30th, 2011, 07:08 AM

(Rory, according to Idris.)
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Post by: Arantor on May 30th, 2011, 11:43 AM
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(Rory, according to Idris.)
:lol:
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Post by: Nao on May 30th, 2011, 04:09 PM
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Tell you what, though, I had a distinct feeling of the two parter with the Silurians from S5, of the whole 'we're at war' and 'we can make a peace' motif
Yeah, sort of... Plus it was a double-part in the middle of the season, just like here.
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So, from the prequel to E7, we revisit an acquaintance, which means when we're going is definitely the 51st Century. Guess who lives then!
According to Wikipedia, a lot... K9, Jack Harkness, and River Song had some adventures there (so I suppose we can assume she's from that era.)
Didn't know about the supposed WW3 occurring right in the year 5.000, lol. (Plus, you'd think people would no longer need a Judeo-Christian figure at that time and thus would reset their year counter :P)
As for River Song, Moffat said quite some time ago that she was going to be in the cliffhanger, so she's in the two-parter... No surprise here! (Even the announcement for next week mentions her.)
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IMDB lists the Ten, Eleven and Five all in it at the same time. Make of that what you will - but remember that Moffat has worked with Five, in the Time Crash special when he was alongside Ten.
Wouldn't surprise me.
Would love to see Tennant again, next to Smith! Oh yeah.
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Post by: Arantor on May 30th, 2011, 06:15 PM
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According to Wikipedia, a lot... K9, Jack Harkness, and River Song had some adventures there (so I suppose we can assume she's from that era.)
She is, especially given that she's explicitly cited as being in Stormcage in that era.

I doubt we'll see K9 again, because K9 Mk III or IV is in Bannerman Road in the early 21st Century.

Jack... there may be a cross-over but I doubt it. If we see Jack, it'll almost certainly be before his original adventures with Nine, because of continuity with the new Torchwood season that's coming up in terms of its own continuity.

We may see Liz 10 again, out of interest, because her and River met when stealing a Van Gogh from the Royal Collection - which happened after River escaped from Stormcage, and it's the painting depicting the TARDIS exploding.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on June 4th, 2011, 09:50 PM
Wow. That was pretty amazing, wasn't it?

Tonight's Doctor Who was absolutely fantastic! I know I wasn't expecting that! Sure, I had a few theories theories and some turned out more or less correct (excluding others, lol), but I sure hadn't predicted this. Marvellous, really. :D

That, and I burst out laughing at the 'The Doctor Will Be Back In ...' screen. Superb, something you just have have to see for yourself, this time. It's an experience I wouldn't want to spoil for any of you, haha. :P
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Post by: Nao on June 4th, 2011, 10:29 PM
Is it worth watching for those who hate waiting after cliffhangers and would rather wait for the next part to be out?
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Post by: Aaron on June 4th, 2011, 10:53 PM
No worse than last week's episode, really. Of course, I can't wait until Autumn (especially after reading the 'will return in .... ' bit!), but the episode ends on an exciting yet somewhat satisfactory note, I think.

It'd be interesting to hear what Pete thinks of it (and whether I'm still this enthusiastic after seeing it again).
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Post by: Nao on June 4th, 2011, 10:56 PM
All right then. Will watch tomorrow.
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Post by: Arantor on June 4th, 2011, 11:02 PM
Oh, it was an awesome episode, but I had actually guessed it, there were enough clues given to call the final outcome. It's been set up for a while, ever since we saw River at the crash of the Byzantium, where hints were given.

The double double cross, that I didn't see coming, and I still speculate that the "good man going to war" is not who we've been lead to believe. But I think it settles a few questions raised earlier in this thread.
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Post by: Nao on June 5th, 2011, 12:32 AM
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Wow. That was pretty amazing, wasn't it?

Tonight's Doctor Who was absolutely fantastic! I know I wasn't expecting that! Sure, I had a few theories theories and some turned out more or less correct (excluding others, lol),
Got spoiled online but that's okay, it's about who River is. Didn't we already discuss that here? I'm disappointed the hints were so obvious.
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Post by: Arantor on June 5th, 2011, 12:41 AM
Yes, it's about who River is. And yes, we did touch on it here, and yes, I was disappointed too at how obvious it actually was in practice. There was actually a video from Moffat in the buildup to this episode where he even said 'By now, we know who River Song is.'

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Most of the fans I know where ruling this specific thing out due to the timing being wrong, but I think it's fairly clear how the timeline got sorted out in that respect, if that makes sense.

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Long story short, I'm now waiting to see what the second half brings - I'm not quite sure we've had the rising-so-high part yet, and really not sure of the falling-further-than-ever-before moment... I just feel like this episode didn't quite bring that scale to it.
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Post by: Aaron on June 5th, 2011, 11:56 AM
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Long story short, I'm now waiting to see what the second half brings - I'm not quite sure we've had the rising-so-high part yet, and really not sure of the falling-further-than-ever-before moment... I just feel like this episode didn't quite bring that scale to it.
Very true. Also, in retrospect ...

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The headless monks feel a bit underused, don't they? I doubt we'll be seeing them again, so for a one-off ... what's with them?
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Post by: snoopy-virtual on June 5th, 2011, 12:06 PM
There is one thing I don't understand.

Are they showing Dr. Who in all the TVs all over the world (but Spain) or are you watching it through an internet channel or something like that?

I used to watch it ages ago when I lived in Scotland (and I loved it) but here in Spain there is only one TV channel that is showing a couple of seasons of Dr. Who and another couple of seasons of Torchwood (old ones) repeating the same episodes all over again, but cannot get new ones.

When I saw you were talking about it here, I thought you were getting it only in UK and France, but I have seen people from all over the world commenting about it (even Dr Malboro from Argentina) and I started to wonder if maybe there is a chance of getting it through an internet channel or something.
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Post by: Arantor on June 5th, 2011, 12:39 PM
Well, you can go through a UK proxy to watch it on BBC iPlayer, which will get you the entire run of series 6 so far. (It's all being kept available until the end of the run, which was yesterday, and I think for the next week the entire 7 episodes are available)
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Post by: Nao on June 5th, 2011, 12:54 PM
<PRV>....... And of course, for the rest of us, there's the Pirate Bay, torrentz.com, demonoid.com and so on. (I rarely go to demonoid, but yesterday the HD episode was only over there, not anywhere else I could think of.)
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Post by: Arantor on June 5th, 2011, 12:57 PM
For our US friends, I would suggest they do this, actually - because the US delayed episode 6 for a week because of last weekend's Memorial Day stuff, so while we've finished the half-season, I think they only just got episode 6...
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Post by: snoopy-virtual on June 5th, 2011, 01:20 PM
<PRV> I normally use veetle.com and/or SopCast to watch things like the NBA, important Snooker games, etc, but haven't seen in any of them any Dr. Who episodes.

Anyway, following Arantor's suggestion I have found this page:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw

So for a while I will try to watch all the episodes archived there until I catch up.
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Post by: Arantor on June 5th, 2011, 01:30 PM
That looks like series 6 there... there's some stuff from series 5 that's relevant in continuity terms but nothing that looking at Wikipedia won't provide for you.
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Post by: live627 on June 5th, 2011, 11:08 PM
Quote from Arantor on June 5th, 2011, 12:57 PM
For our US friends, I would suggest they do this, actually - because the US delayed episode 6 for a week because of last weekend's Memorial Day stuff, so while we've finished the half-season, I think they only just got episode 6...
O_o and no shutdown threat would be issued?
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Post by: Nao on June 5th, 2011, 11:19 PM
Use PeerBlock, it might help... Never got problems, myself.

Oh, and I watched the episode this afternoon... Loved it.
Then again, I watched the Prince of Persia movie right after it, and loved it too. Maybe I was in a good mood or something.
But still, the last-second 'revelation' really was a downer. Was mostly fooled by the twist near the end, the one you mentioned, Pete. I guessed it at best 10 seconds before the trick was revealed, so I consider myself pwned. Nice feeling eheh.

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And several hints are already there for the follow-up. I mean, we'll probably get to see the Doctor in the Gamma Forests, trying to find River as a baby... Which is where he'll encounter little girl Lorna for the first time...
Of course, he'll fail to recover her. Or maybe he'll just make sure he doesn't -- given that if he knows she's River, he might not want to change her future by saving her...

Also, my current theory for the first episode... Since that scene where the Doctor recognizes who's going to kill him (first scene that made me think, "must be River"), I've been thinking that *obviously* it's not his real death. So, maybe... Maybe the Doctor at that point was a doppelganger controlled by the real Doctor? I know, we don't get to see it die in the same way as other clones, but it might still be a good clue. Whatever happens, it's pretty obvious that River will NOT kill him. Perhaps she WANTS to kill him, though. Let's say she gets educated by the guys in war with the Doctor. They obviously intent for her to kill him at some point. Now, she's been in her astronaut costume in her childhood. Then as a young adult, she must have kept it... She had no contact with the Doctor, managed to track him down, and killed him. Then she learned of who he was (i.e. a good guy), regretted it, then later in her life, when she met him in an earlier timeframe of his life, she tells him that she kills him later, and gives him some way to make it look like he's dead, while not really being dead at all. (So that she stops trying to kill him.)
That would explain a lot... I think.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on June 6th, 2011, 12:29 AM
It's against many people, but you can always download it illegaly :P
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Post by: Arantor on June 6th, 2011, 12:46 AM
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The general consensus of the communities I follow is that the Doctor that dies in the first episode is the Ganger Doctor, because the "molecular memory" should have been able to withstand the explosion.

That, however, doesn't explain the "Time running out" and the apparent fate shown in the Coming Soon trailer. Though it does maybe explain why the screwdriver becomes red in the future...

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The Headless Monks... I suspect we will see them again. If I know Moffat, this 'rising higher than ever before' isn't yet over, and we will see them again. Likely as not, in the finale.

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Not only did the Doctor realise who killed him in that first episode, because he knew to tell everyone not to interfere, and organised it in the way only he could, but the fact that RIVER knows who it is, though not initially - she fires away but then realises why the shots do nothing. That to me doesn't seem entirely congruous with the girl in the spacesuit being her, surely she'd remember that event? But the fact that she knows the shots do nothing and she knows why means she's aware of who it is and how that works.

Your theory is certainly more cohesive than some of the ramblings I've heard thus far, and it would seem to explain everything!

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Putting aside the obviousness of the cliffhanger for this point, this doesn't feel finished. It was too neat an explanation as to who she is. Interestingly, a day or so before the episode, Moffat wrote on Twitter - http://twitter.com/#!/steven_moffat/status/76715922584383488 -
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In other news, I wonder how many kids didn't quite make the jump from wedding night to Amy being pregant...
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Post by: Nao on June 6th, 2011, 07:44 AM
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But the fact that she knows the shots do nothing and she knows why means she's aware of who it is and how that works.
Or she's just acting at this moment... Trying to make it look like she 'doesn't know'... Although it seems a bit far-fetched (I actually forgot that moment. Honestly, I don't remember much about the first episodes...)
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Really? :lol:
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In other news, I wonder how many kids didn't quite make the jump from wedding night to Amy being pregant...
What I didn't get was... Did they actually imply that Rory & Amy had never done it BEFORE the wedding? :lol:

On a side note -- it seemed to me that Amy had some baby fat after the birth. I mean, she looked like the part. Did she actually take on some weight to make it look like she just gave birth? :^^;:
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Post by: YogiBear on June 8th, 2011, 08:01 PM
Poor Bear here is still trying to work out if Amy has now become part/whole Time Lord/Lady.  :unsure:
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Post by: Arantor on June 8th, 2011, 09:33 PM
I think the answer to that is no.
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Post by: Nao on June 8th, 2011, 09:47 PM
Yeah, there'd be no reason to that...
Time vortex... Wedding night... It's all about the baby, not her.
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Post by: YogiBear on June 9th, 2011, 11:07 AM
Hmm, so River Song has Time Lord DNA.  :unsure:
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Post by: Arantor on June 9th, 2011, 11:08 AM
Apparently so, but there's more to the story than we've been told...
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Post by: Nao on June 9th, 2011, 11:16 AM
Interestingly, River seems so ignorant of everything in Silence/Forest, as opposed to her appearances in season 5. Obviously Moffat didn't write her entire story when he did those episodes... So perhaps he planned for her to sort-of die in there, but then when he thought about the timelord DNA thing, he forgot about that... Or more likely, he figured she simply doesn't have the ability to regenerate. (e.g. if she's got one heart and not two, maybe a timelord needs two hearts to be able to regenerate -- one of the hearts takes over while the other's working, I dunno.)

I have a hard time talking about Doctor Who after the excitement and shock I felt at South Park's mid-season finale... :^^;: Not that it's any better in writing. But at least it had some actual shock value :niark: (Which is quite an achievement for an episode that's about becoming a cynical boy!)
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Post by: Arantor on June 9th, 2011, 11:29 AM
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So perhaps he planned for her to sort-of die in there, but then when he thought about the timelord DNA thing, he forgot about that...
Well... she says that the Doctor would die if he were to become part of the matrix, so I suspect that it wouldn't matter either way.

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The Doctor has survived more than once temporarily on one heart (not just in the context of the Human/Time Lord metacrisis, cf. The Shakespeare Code for example)
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Post by: YogiBear on June 9th, 2011, 12:11 PM
Odd how there's never been mention of The Doctor's grandaughter Susan who stayed on Earth following Dalek invasion 2150.

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Post by: Arantor on June 9th, 2011, 12:17 PM
There have been vague references to it, the Doctor has (even in the reboot) said he's been a father and a grandfather, but it's implied that because of the Time War, there weren't any other Time Lord survivors.
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Post by: Nao on June 9th, 2011, 12:34 PM
I thought at some point they'd retconned her into being "like a grand-daughter" or something...
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Post by: Arantor on June 9th, 2011, 12:37 PM
Well, her being his grand-daughter was more implied than stated, IIRC, and not for continuity reasons (but simply because an old man travelling with a young girl would be weird)
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Post by: Nao on June 9th, 2011, 01:08 PM
Weird? Why would it be weird? They're only having sex on a weekly basis. That's not weird! :whistle:
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Post by: Arantor on June 9th, 2011, 02:57 PM
The producers of the BBC thought it would be weird to a 1960s audience...
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Post by: YogiBear on June 9th, 2011, 02:58 PM
According to recent info Pete is right. Originally, Susan was to be a companion but this was changed to grandaughter so as to avoid disapproving comments from some viewers.


Edit : beaten to it. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on June 9th, 2011, 03:22 PM
Actually I was kidding (I realize it didn't show, oops), I knew about the last minute change to grand-daughter, that's why I thought she'd been later retconned as a simple companion posing as a granddaughter specifically to Earthlings... :^^;:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on July 15th, 2011, 01:12 AM
So. Was Torchwood any good?

Loved s2, wasn't thrilled with s3. Just for reference.

Oh. And tomorrow a big French channel is showing Sherlock at 20:35. Can't believe Moffat will finally be getting some deserved exposure here!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on July 15th, 2011, 01:16 AM
If you weren't thrilled with Children of Earth, I really doubt you'll like Miracle Day. It's even darker.

And, I hate to say it, but I think it's lost its way somewhat. Yes, I know Russell T Davies has been out there, I know he's been writing it and so on but honestly it doesn't feel like Torchwood much (even if only 4 characters have been kept from CoE anyway, and one of them was a more minor/recurring character, which I called months ago when it was announced that '4 familiar faces will reappear'. Not even that hard to predict.)

It feels like a US show trying to be Torchwood, since a lot of the episode is answering the question of what Torchwood is/was and setting up the problem that is the Miracle. I can only hope it gets better, right now I'm not quite seeing the drama, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on July 15th, 2011, 01:22 AM
Thanks. I'll be waiting then.

Oh and I like dark. Just not the American way. With big sfx and cliffhangers. Meh.
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Post by: Arantor on July 15th, 2011, 01:24 AM
It's a 10 part mini-series, one episode per week. It's basically a string of cliff-hangers as a result. At least CoE was shown an episode per night.

There's quite a few explosions, but mostly lots of hospital scenes.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on July 15th, 2011, 04:30 AM
I can't still believe 'A good man goes to war'... It's just so... wrong and... awesome.

I find Torchwood not as appealing as DW, maybe because I'm sick of watching thrillers (well, Torchwood is a thriller(ish) show).
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Post by: Arantor on July 15th, 2011, 07:49 AM
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I can't still believe 'A good man goes to war'... It's just so... wrong and... awesome.

I find Torchwood not as appealing as DW, maybe because I'm sick of watching thrillers (well, Torchwood is a thriller(ish) show).
AGMGTW answers the question, of *who* River Song is, but doesn't explain much more than that. It doesn't, for example, explain who the good man that she murdered is (and was subsequently sent to Stormcage for). It doesn't explain how she was subsequently pardoned because she has been by the time of the events of Silence in the Library.

It also does not explain - and this is the most intricate detail - the military insignias. The military insignias shown on the uniforms in AGMGTW match the military insignias on the uniforms of the troops in The Time of Angels.

And if that's not enough, the insignia is... potentially... from a very old enemy of the Doctor.


As for TW, it isn't the same show as DW so it will appeal to some more than others. Though I'd argue that TW is no more a thrillerish show than DW itself is.
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Post by: Nao on July 15th, 2011, 08:49 AM
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AGMGTW answers the question, of *who* River Song is, but doesn't explain much more than that.
Which, of course, is a disappointment for those who had already determined who she was (considering the many not-so-subtle hints dropped by Moffat in the course of the season.)
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It doesn't, for example, explain who the good man that she murdered is (and was subsequently sent to Stormcage for).
Well, to me there's no question about that, is it? The good man who went to war. The Doctor. She obviously killed him in the opening episode. (And of course it'll be explained later that it's not what we thought, and he didn't actually die. Not that it'd be a flesh copy though, it's highly unlikely.)
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It doesn't explain how she was subsequently pardoned because she has been by the time of the events of Silence in the Library.
Hmm yeah... Maybe the Doctor will eventually show up later in her timeline. I know he's inspired by that (relatively underwhelming) Time Traveller's Wife when it comes to the relationship between the Doctor and River, but in TTW, the man has random time jumps, it's not a completely opposite flow of the timeline, see? Maybe she's lying to him, maybe she saw an older Doctor right before she met in in SITL. (Heck, maybe Moffat will even find a trick to 'save' her from her relatively okay fate in Forest...)
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It also does not explain - and this is the most intricate detail - the military insignias. The military insignias shown on the uniforms in AGMGTW match the military insignias on the uniforms of the troops in The Time of Angels.
Is it of any matter really...?
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And if that's not enough, the insignia is... potentially... from a very old enemy of the Doctor.
I don't consider the old show as canon. :niark:
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As for TW, it isn't the same show as DW so it will appeal to some more than others. Though I'd argue that TW is no more a thrillerish show than DW itself is.
Really, TW season 2 was largely on par with Doctor Who for me -- actually, I liked it better than most DW seasons. That's why I was let down by season 3, although I did expect that to happen, given that the best characters in season 2 were all killed off or disposed of. Don't get me wrong, I like the other characters... It's just that they weren't given much of interest to do in s3, and I doubt it'll be any different in s4.
What I like in DW is precisely the opposite of what most RD episodes did: the intimate moments, the slow moments, the moments where story matters most than the thrills. That's why I hate cliffhangers: they're supposed to make you excited for the follow up. But I'm not excited for the follow up! I'm excited for what I'm seeing right now! I don't spend hours discussing theories on the next DW! (Well, happened to me, but mainly to play along, not for the sheer enjoyment of it :P)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on July 15th, 2011, 09:12 AM
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Which, of course, is a disappointment for those who had already determined who she was (considering the many not-so-subtle hints dropped by Moffat in the course of the season.)
The whole episode left me feeling as though "this isn't finished." So we know who she is, but we don't really know who she is. Being Amy's daughter was called even back in season 5, on the strength of the river/pond connection, but dismissed because of the apparent time gap (they're 21st Century, she's 51st Century). But really, 'risen higher than ever before and fallen so much further'... that hasn't happened yet.
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Well, to me there's no question about that, is it? The good man who went to war. The Doctor.
See, that's too obvious. The Doctor himself says that he's not a good man. "Good men don't need rules." / "Today's not the day to find out why I have so many."

I can't help thinking it's Rory that she ultimately goes to Stormcage for.
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She obviously killed him in the opening episode. (And of course it'll be explained later that it's not what we thought, and he didn't actually die. Not that it'd be a flesh copy though, it's highly unlikely.)
That's what we're meant to think. I don't think it's that obvious, and I can't help but think the Doctor shot there was the Ganger version, but no doubt we'll get an explanation. Fortunately I think it'll be more clever than the RTD style "poof and it is all sorted out" that we saw in seasons 1 and 3 and to a lesser degree season 4.
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Hmm yeah... Maybe the Doctor will eventually show up later in her timeline. I know he's inspired by that (relatively underwhelming) Time Traveller's Wife when it comes to the relationship between the Doctor and River, but in TTW, the man has random time jumps, it's not a completely opposite flow of the timeline, see? Maybe she's lying to him, maybe she saw an older Doctor right before she met in in SITL. (Heck, maybe Moffat will even find a trick to 'save' her from her relatively okay fate in Forest...)
The Doctor must show up again in her timeline, because their first meeting, where he arrives on her doorstep knowing everything about her hasn't been shown, neither has their last meeting at the towers of Darillium when he gives her his screwdriver.

As far as her fate in Forest, one thing about that never sat right with me: as I see it there is no reason whatsoever why she could not be saved. Her body is gone at the end of the process, and her essence is in the Library computer. Like the other 4022 that were saved - so there's no reason why she can't be resurrected other than "because."
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Is it of any matter really...?
It is if you want to know who she really is.

From her timeline, the Pandorica, then the crash of the Byzantium, then the Library happens - and somewhere in the middle of that are the events of AGMGTW. She's aware that he will find out who she is on that day, but its temporal placement would seem to be prior to the Pandorica.

So in the events there, she's helping fight against the military, in a sense, but by the time of the Byzantium, she's their prisoner and working for them, and by the time of the Library, she has been pardoned.
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I don't consider the old show as canon.
Moffat does. And that insignia looks very much like that of the Time Lord Omega.
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Really, TW season 2 was largely on par with Doctor Who for me -- actually, I liked it better than most DW seasons. That's why I was let down by season 3, although I did expect that to happen, given that the best characters in season 2 were all killed off or disposed of. Don't get me wrong, I like the other characters... It's just that they weren't given much of interest to do in s3, and I doubt it'll be any different in s4.
It isn't shaping up to be much different in S4 thus far.
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What I like in DW is precisely the opposite of what most RD episodes did: the intimate moments, the slow moments, the moments where story matters most than the thrills
Yeah, RTD wrote a lot of Torchwood.
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I'm excited for what I'm seeing right now! I don't spend hours discussing theories on the next DW! (Well, happened to me, but mainly to play along, not for the sheer enjoyment of it ;))
Hahah, well, I love the fact that Moffat drops in more clues than RTD did about where things are going and I love the fact that they can be pieced together, there's a feeling of knowing something that others might not have seen - and trying to figure out where it's all going, it's why people watch detective shows, just on a lesser scale.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on July 16th, 2011, 12:42 AM
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"analyzing it to death" kills literally the mystery.
Not for me it doesn't. If anything it refines it because I find myself wondering if I'm right or not, which means I'm actually more involved than not.
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The american twist sounds a bit strange
It's all about funding. The BBC touted out the tender to the different networks to see who'd be interested in co-production, and Starz in the US picked it up.
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Its. def. not something I'd watch several times, like I can with DW..or first season of Torchwood. That prob. says it all.
Quite possibly. I've watched TW:CoE (S3) a number of times now but not as much as I watched the first two seasons. The tighter storyline, 5 successive episodes as opposed to a loose arc, it works but it's a little much, I think.

This has a tight arc too; it's one story, 10 episodes long. It remains to be seen if it's over the top or not.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on July 16th, 2011, 03:16 AM
I think the good man that she killed looks like it is The Doctor, but it isn't... If is a Moffat brillant idea, I'll be a freaking twist about it!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on July 24th, 2011, 10:37 PM
Doctor Who - Series 6b Comic Con Trailer(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xkQkPo7KRU#ws)

Loads of exciting things to look forward to!  :yahoo:
Posted: July 24th, 2011, 10:29 PM

And another one!

Doctor Who: The God Complex Comic Con Clip(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QzPRGD4b8#ws)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on July 24th, 2011, 10:54 PM
In...teresting!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on July 25th, 2011, 06:34 AM
*Imitating Eccleston accent*

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on July 25th, 2011, 09:10 PM
I haven't seen episode 2 yet (and episode 3 due here on Thursday) but I'm not sure if I can be bothered to, either. RTD seems to be going back to his roots somewhat, which is to draw drama out of situations - hence TW:MD is about bringing the human drama to the fore, not the sci-fi aspect of 1 & 2, but it's a different kind of drama to 3, the idea being less about dealing with our fear of the unknown and more about how our society can fall apart.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on July 26th, 2011, 07:44 AM
TW was RTD's redemption. Now it may be his downfall...

Ah, well. It's not like I expect TW to be any good after COM's fiasco for me... :^^;:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: YogiBear on July 26th, 2011, 01:19 PM
Last night, I watched a repeat on BBC3 of The Lodger and enjoyed it every bit as much as the first time around.  :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on July 26th, 2011, 01:21 PM
Have to say The Lodger was not one of my favourite episodes from season 5. Not bad, just not that good either.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on July 26th, 2011, 02:14 PM
Oh come on. Everyone here can relate to this good hearted geek :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on July 27th, 2011, 04:06 PM
I've been watching the first two TW episodes. Thank you guys for telling me ahead that it was not the 'proper' TW. That way, I've been able to enjoy it for what it is -- a basic, regular but ultimately quite nice action thriller show from the US. Going to watch episode 3 now...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 9th, 2011, 10:09 AM
In other news, http://www.crispian.net/DoctorWho/DrWhoTubeMap.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on August 9th, 2011, 10:53 AM
That's pretty cool! :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 9th, 2011, 11:48 AM
Wow...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on August 15th, 2011, 01:51 PM
Doctor Who - Prequel to Let's Kill Hitler(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm1dfdcsqas#ws)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 15th, 2011, 01:54 PM
He knows something, he so clearly knows something, something so terrible that he'd rather know it and keep it from his best friends.

I said when AGMGTW came out that it wasn't his 'falling so much further', it wasn't nearly enough.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 27th, 2011, 11:57 PM
OK, so season 6 part 2 is officially here.

It tells an awful lot.

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We now know:
* who the little girl regenerating was at the start of the season.
* what happens between Melody/River at a young age and 'adulthood'
* a bit more about the Silents.
* how River comes to learn to fly the TARDIS, and how she learned from 'the very best' because the Doctor was 'busy that day'.
* how River ends up in the 51st Century as her 'home time'.
* where she gets the TARDIS-like diary from.
* how she begins to become an archaeologist.

And all this while dealing with an actual primary plot that isn't exactly unrelated (but not entirely related) to the above. Phew. Hell of an episode.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 28th, 2011, 12:03 AM
Exciting. Will watch tomorrow!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 28th, 2011, 12:06 AM
I just checked in with one fan community I'm a member of. Some of the comments are hilarious like 'if this is what Doctor Who has become, RIP.' and lovely sentiments like that.

It's pretty much your classic Moffat midpoint. A lot of questions answered, but a few more still to deal with, because what happened at the start of the season is still going to happen.

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And one group assert that it is a fixed point in space and time. So therefore it must always happen. Oh dear, this could get interesting.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Drunken Clam on August 28th, 2011, 02:33 PM
I haven't watched it yet, but my son tweeted this:
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It could be the wine talking, but I think that was the best episode of anything I've ever seen ever.... #doctorwho
So I'm really looking forward to it!  :cool:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on August 28th, 2011, 04:19 PM
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OK, so season 6 part 2 is officially here.

It tells an awful lot.

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We now know:
* who the little girl regenerating was at the start of the season.
* what happens between Melody/River at a young age and 'adulthood'
* a bit more about the Silents.
* how River comes to learn to fly the TARDIS, and how she learned from 'the very best' because the Doctor was 'busy that day'.
* how River ends up in the 51st Century as her 'home time'.
* where she gets the TARDIS-like diary from.
* how she begins to become an archaeologist.

And all this while dealing with an actual primary plot that isn't exactly unrelated (but not entirely related) to the above. Phew. Hell of an episode.
I think you might forgot that:

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*The Spaceman who killed The Doctor is actually her.

This is the episodes I love. I even cry a little :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 28th, 2011, 05:41 PM
No, that part was already pretty much clear from the first episode of season 6.

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After River tries to shoot the astronaut suit and it doesn't work, she makes a comment that "of course, it wouldn't", because she knows it's herself...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 28th, 2011, 07:32 PM
Yeah, and it was pretty clear too who the little girl was...

Great episode. Just a bit disappointed with the Let's Kill Hitler storyline -- I thought it was lots of fun, should have kept going a little longer ;)
But technically...

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How come she doesn't know who River Song is? I mean, she hasn't lost memory, and wasn't she brought up in a place where *they* called her River Song or something...? I mean they got the name from her cradle or something, didn't they? As a child?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 28th, 2011, 09:11 PM
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Quite simply, it hasn't happened for her yet. She is, as far as she knows, still Melody Pond. (The ending in the college, I don't think it said her name)

The place where she goes, where "the only water in the forest is a river", that hasn't happened yet - in either Melody's current timeline (her future, River's past) or the Doctor's, as evidenced in AGMGTW because the person who comes from there, who ran with the Doctor, she's now dead, it's in her past - their future.

Essentially, she's still Melody Pond, new to her current body, and all the events that happen between her leaving the hospital and her becoming an archaeologist have yet to happen, since the archaeology is ultimately the last thing she does. Her "becoming" River Song is yet to happen.

Also: that bit that the Doctor whispered to Melody, for "when you find River", that has to be the Doctor's real name. After all, "there's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my real name, there's only one time I ever could." (Forest of the Dead) If dying, sans regeneration, isn't enough of a reason, I don't know what is.

The exposition in AGMGTW where River (adult) tells Amy, Rory and the Doctor who she is, is definitely a long time after the events just unfolded.

The other clue that she's not yet truly River as we know her is that the first meeting hasn't yet come to pass. "You showed up, new haircut and a suit, and you knew all about me." We're not quite there yet, nor have we seen the final time they meet, from his point of view, at the singing towers of Darillium, where he is said to have cried, and as she later recounts, "because you knew it was my time, my time to come to the library. You even gave me your screwdriver, that should have been the first clue."

Non-spoiler version: there's a lot that's happened, it answers a lot of questions and it sets up stuff still to come. We know who River Song is now, we're just waiting for a little bit more about how she came to be the woman we've seen for the past couple of years.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on August 29th, 2011, 05:58 PM
Loved the brilliance of things all coming together and making sense when I watched in a hotel room this weekend, really.
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Also: that bit that the Doctor whispered to Melody, for "when you find River", that has to be the Doctor's real name. After all, "there's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my real name, there's only one time I ever could." (Forest of the Dead) If dying, sans regeneration, isn't enough of a reason, I don't know what is.
That was pretty much what I thought, but that was pretty much debunked in Confidential...

/mewanders off to watch it in HD now.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 29th, 2011, 06:03 PM
What do they say in Confidential? The 'real name' solution was also the one I'd come up with when watching the episode... Given the fact that IIRC, River had whispered his name in a similar situation (in the ear).
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 29th, 2011, 06:05 PM
I'll catch up with DW Confidential later...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on August 29th, 2011, 11:34 PM
Meh, I must've misheard something when I first saw Confidential, because upon review I haven't heard the bit I heard about
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the Doctor telling River what she and he will become, in other words that they become lovers -- hence the "oh, I think she knows".

Might have missed it the second time, though. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on September 5th, 2011, 12:44 PM
I've caught up on TW... Last 3 episodes were pretty watchable all in all. But it sounds more and more like the show was written as it went, instead of planned ahead. Several characters seem to have been introduced for nothing...

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An entire episode was spent on saving Gwen's father, when she did nothing for him in episode 9... Several episodes were spent on Bill Pullman's character who, one episode shy from the end, is still exactly the same uninteresting character who has basically absolutely nothing to do except give a name (Pullman fans will have to go back to Zero Effect, I guess.)
Similarly, it seemed like the sole purpose of Angelo (nice story ep) was to introduce the characters to Nana "I'm going to die in a few minutes, don't bother with me" Visitor, who herself doesn't even seem to know whether she's a good or a bad girl... And who, just like her grandfather, had only one purpose, wait for it: giving names. From then on, it became even more ridiculous with the hacking and stuff.

Oh, my... Thankfully, the actors do their best to at least not make it boring. Plus, my girlfriend started watching at episode 8. I filled her in and told her, "good for you, you didn't have to go through so many episodes of bullshit :P"

As for this week's Doctor Who... Boring. The big twist was nice (well, the scene with the photo album -- it almost seemed like a reversal of roles for Daniel Mays who did a similar trick in Ashes to Ashes...), but the rest just wasn't very interesting. Frankly, if I hadn't been interested in Mays, I would have written off the episode as just on par with Victory of the Daleks or The Idiot's Lantern, i.e. Mark Gattis's other excruciating contributions to Doctor Who. As it stands now, it's... well, probably his best, because it had a bit of heart. But that's all.

Now for the final thought. After watching the two shows in a row...

The female sidekick in TW is married. To a geeky guy who doesn't look great but whom viewers love enough that he got a bigger part in the show.

The female sidekick in DW is married. To a geeky guy who doesn't look great but whom viewers love enough that he got a bigger part in the show.

The TW guy is called Rhys Williams.
The DW guy is called Rory Williams.

Is it me or... IS THERE A PATTERN?? :lol:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 5th, 2011, 01:20 PM
Well, I rewatched it last week from the beginning (and ep 9 isn't out here yet), and it got better over time, but I'm waiting to see what ep 9 brings.
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As for this week's Doctor Who... Boring.
We didn't find it boring, and Liz very definitely didn't... was a bit too scared to be bored.
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The TW guy is called Rhys Williams.
The DW guy is called Rory Williams.

Is it me or... IS THERE A PATTERN??
At least one person I know calls them cousins even when they aren't. 'Williams' is just a pretty common surname, and I bet Moffat just forgot that Rhys' surname was that - DW series 5 didn't begin filming until months after TW series 3 had been shown.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 5th, 2011, 05:55 PM
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Series 6 is many things, but not targeted towards kids.
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I don't buy the River stuff, not really, for one she feels like SHE is the oldest in the series and not Matt..
Alex Kingston is older than Matt Smith, but the writing is a bit odd, certainly.
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If you watch the end in this episode, notice how they discuss where to go next..was there ever such dull small-talk between Tennant and companions? I don't think so.
Oh yes there was. Especially DT and Martha.


Remember also that it can't be too OTT in terms of adult stuff given its timing, makes it quite hard to be 'for adults' as well as 'for kids', and I think seasons 5 and 6 have been quite well balanced in that respect (season 5 especially, IMO)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on September 10th, 2011, 06:19 PM
For the record, I think the last episode of Torchwood: Miracle Day just reeks. What a complete waste of time.

Here's hoping tonight's Doctor Who will be more amusing...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 10th, 2011, 06:32 PM
Haven't seen TW EP 9 yet, but I'm hearing that it's an RTD cliffhanger which means that it's probably going to suck because he's not really a story person, he's a characters person.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on September 10th, 2011, 06:40 PM
Ah, yes, we can blame him for this particular ending.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on September 10th, 2011, 07:00 PM
Does everyone die but the two usual? :lol:


Now THAT would be typical RTD...

I'll watch that later.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on September 10th, 2011, 09:11 PM
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The sad thing about the post above is that it's so true ... and Nao doesn't even know this yet.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 10th, 2011, 10:39 PM
Anyway. DW S6E10.

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The Girl Who Waited.

This one's a curiously bittersweet episode playing on the notion we were left with right back at the start of S5, of little Amelia Pond waiting for her magic Doctor to save her... Only this time, when he does finally arrive, she doesn't want saving, because she grew up.

There's been hints that S7 won't have Amy and Rory as regular characters and this is the point where I think it turns that corner. A particular line of Rory's, echoes something Davros said about the Doctor and what he does with the Chldren of Time.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2011, 11:40 AM
Just watched TW. I found it to be fun. My girlfriend wants to thank you Aaron for misleading us :P
And that cliffhanger is just a funny ending. The story is complete per se!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2011, 02:42 PM
Fantastic Who. A new classic.
Posted: September 11th, 2011, 02:41 PM

Reminds me of the Vincent episode in terms of unexpected quality.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on September 11th, 2011, 03:47 PM
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Just watched TW. I found it to be fun. My girlfriend wants to thank you Aaron for misleading us :P
Hahaha! :lol: Well, I'm glad the two of you enjoyed yourselves, really.
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Fantastic Who.
Agreed!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 17th, 2011, 09:19 PM
I really must catch up with TW but meantime, DW episode 11.

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Epic episode. Proper instilling of fear, with a nice conclusion, but it seems a shade convenient.

Second use of the bells of ST Clements nursery rhyme in as many episodes. Amy and Rory going home, and into their own house... The same house as in episode one, perhaps?

Plus the statement made by the beast at the end, about the gift of death, to one who has lived so long, soaked in the blood of innocents. Callback to the Pandorica, purchance?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on September 17th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Is it as good as last weeks episode?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 17th, 2011, 10:35 PM
Not quite, but it is better than some this series. First half was awesome, but it sort of lost it a bit for me by the end.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on September 18th, 2011, 12:02 PM
Great episode indeed. Love the end too. And another Amy-less Craig doctor next, funny. Last episode will resolve the Utah story thread.

Last year we had the unexpectedly great eps Vincent followed with the great Craig eps. Moffat reused the same formula. The doctor even showed compassion for something he couldn't prevent in both cases. It's like Craig is here to give him back his sanity.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 24th, 2011, 09:30 PM
So, episode 12.

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Nice to see the Cybermat!

The Doctor is facing up to his destiny, and is paying a social visit. It's unnatural but it works, because he recognises that he doesn't have long left. It's the first time since he found out, that he's seeming to be resigned to his fate.

Will the skies go dark? There's the question.[1]

We now know beyond doubt that River was in the space suit. We know that she does the deed as a Doctor herself, and that presumably that is the timeline prior to the Time of Angels where she hasn't yet become a professor.

We even see him getting the blue envelopes that he's going to send to himself, River, Amy and Rory, AND him getting the Stetson.

There is still a discrepancy: when he dies, he's 1100 years old, so presumably he's done a lot of solo travel since dropping Amy and Rory off... I can't wait for the result!

Also, here's a thought, is there some reference to what he said in The Beast Below: about that he will have to change his name, because he won't be a doctor any more after killing a beautiful magnificent creature...
 1. Ref. Season 4, Forest of the Dead, "Everybody knows that everybody dies and nobody knows it like the Doctor. But I do think that all the skies of all the worlds might just turn dark if he ever, for one moment, accepts it."
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on September 25th, 2011, 02:38 PM
Thought it was an average episode, really. Bit filler-ish, but okay.

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There is still a discrepancy: when he dies, he's 1100 years old, so presumably he's done a lot of solo travel since dropping Amy and Rory off... I can't wait for the result!
This is indeed the case. See also this interview(http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110917_02/An_Interview_with_Gareth_Roberts) with Gareth Roberts:
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So yeah, he's aged considerably.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 1st, 2011, 08:57 PM
So, the finale.

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Cute resolution, very clever, something I certainly didn't see coming. And it explains what the eye patches are all about, something that had been bothering me. And yet again, Rory being the hero, and (nearly) dying again.

It didn't feel too rushed, either, but the subtlety and ingenuity of things that had been hidden, had been layered was incredible. Notably, Byzantium-era River talking to present-era Amy - remember the conversation from The Time of Angels, of who Amy thinks River is, in particular.

Plus the question, that must never be answered - but it is, quite correctly, the first question. That's probably the most devious thing I've seen yet from Moffat, the question in plain sight. There was me thinking all Douglas Adams, too, but the question will be answered, as it must, at the fall of the Eleventh - and we KNOW it's been answered because the consequences of having the answer have already been seen.

Let me put it this way. The finale feels very RTD ish. But I'll be buying the season when it comes out and watching it through again because I suspect it'll hold up even better then.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dragooon on October 3rd, 2011, 09:48 AM
Does anyone know in which series/season(I don't even know how this works) is the Doctor facing "Master" who takes over a machine and turns all of the population into himself?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: live627 on October 3rd, 2011, 09:58 AM
I think you're looking for "season"

A TV series is a set of seasons, which in turn are sets  of individual episodes[1].
 1. That's how it's done in the USA, so I'm assuming British shows follow the same terminology.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 3rd, 2011, 10:25 AM
Series is used for 'seasons' in British shows (at least). So the season that just ended was series 6.

Loved the last episode. Didn't get all of it upon viewing, but the TARDIS wiki page about River Song was helpful (it has a chronology of her adventures in her point of view.)

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I'm not exactly sure, though, whether the last we see of River is after the Time of Angels double-episode, or *during* it... (And if 'during', when exactly?!)
Technically this has to be her *oldest* self so far, apart from the Library episodes, of course.

It's interesting that it's pretty much implied, given that Amy will be in S7, that everyone will be, including River, and hopefully she'll be there in a more casual capacity, rather than an arc mystery... Enough of seeing her in double episodes :P

Heck, why the hell did they get married BTW..? Not that it's not cool. It just doesn't make sense in the continuity etc. I don't even remember the Doctor saying her he loved her...
And why does time resume when she touches him, when it... shouldn't?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 3rd, 2011, 10:38 AM
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Does anyone know in which series/season(I don't even know how this works) is the Doctor facing "Master" who takes over a machine and turns all of the population into himself?
That's "The End of Time", 2 parter, between seasons 4 and 5, and is the last episode featuring David Tennant as the Doctor.
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A TV series is a set of seasons, which in turn are sets  of individual episodes
Well... in the UK, we don't have 'season' per se, because our shows are not dictated by seasons, while in the US tradition dictates a new iteration of a show begins in the autumn, hence it's a season(al) show.

For us, technically, a series is simply a group of 2+ episodes - behind me on the shelf I have quite a few TV boxsets, all the US shows are by 'season', almost all the UK shows say 'series' because they're not produced seasonally but 'whenever'.

DW is a great example - series 5 ran from spring 2010 to summer 2010, series 6 has run spring + autumn.

But that's me getting off-topic. For most practical purposes 'season' and 'series' are interchangeable, especially when you're talking about a UK produced show.


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Yes, this is set just after the Time of Angels; she's still wearing the right outfit and she says that she's just come from the crash of the Byzantium - and there wasn't any time when she could have come from there 'during' it.

Yes, this is the oldest we've seen her, other than the Library.

I suspect we will see less of River now, or maybe not. Someone on Twitter said to Moffat about how it was becoming the River Song show, and he replied that she must be pretty pissed with not being in it that much.

Certainly, I think we have to see her one more time, when he meet her for the first time - from her point of view. Remember... "new suit, new haircut, and he just turned up on my doorstep and knew all about me". Plus, at the fall of the Eleventh, the question must be answered - because she knows the answer, and that's one time neither of them lied about it - "I told you my name. There's only one time I ever could."

That said, her arc is basically done

The whole marriage thing? Rewatch the end of The Big Bang. It's all right there in the continuity. That and, from the Time of Angels: "Are you his wife? Yeah you are, you're SO his wife." "Oh, Amy, this is the Doctor we're talking about, do you really think it could be that simple?" "...yep."

As for time resuming, yes it should from the show's own sense of continuity. She's the one that caused the time implosion by not killing him. He's the one who should be dead. Time is tricky and does funny things to you - and if the two halves of what caused the implosion touch, it's sort of like matter and anti-matter. It goes boom. I never found reason to question it, I guess.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dragooon on October 3rd, 2011, 01:41 PM
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Does anyone know in which series/season(I don't even know how this works) is the Doctor facing "Master" who takes over a machine and turns all of the population into himself?
That's "The End of Time", 2 parter, between seasons 4 and 5, and is the last episode featuring David Tennant as the Doctor.
Thanks, those are the only DW episodes I ever watched and even I couldn't finish them.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 3rd, 2011, 01:46 PM
The "multiplied" Master story plot was pretty ridiculous.
The best episode to watch for Doctor Who newbies is definitely Blink (season 3). I showed it to a friend and he was hooked. The good point in that episode is that, not only is it simply fantastic and very original, we barely see the Doctor in it -- we mainly follow a character who's *introduced* to the Doctor, what he is and what he does. It gives a sense of mystery to the character that encourages people to watch more, to learn more about him.

Definitely watch Blink, and try not blinking during the episode.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 3rd, 2011, 01:51 PM
The problem was that you picked up on a two-parter that relies on having seen multiple previous episodes (at a minimum, The Sound of Drums and Last of the Time Lords (eps 12-13) from series 3, plus oddments of series 4 but probably most importantly Journey's End (ep 13), plus at least Planet of the Dead and The Waters of Mars which were two more of the specials between series 4 and 5)

If you're interested in watching DW, you have three basic routes.

1. Start from the start of the reboot. Not really recommended unless you have a lot of spare time.
2. Watch Blink, from season 3. It's the single greatest episode to introduce you to the world of the Doctor without actually having the Doctor in it that much.
3. Alternatively, watch The Girl in the Fireplace from series 2. It's much more Doctor orientated, but it's also a lot more typical of DW episodes.

There are other jumping-in points,[1] but The End of Time was not one of them.

:edit: Hahaha, ninja'd.

@Nao: Yes, yes it was. I blame RTD! :P But we weren't watching for that, were we? We were watching for the knocking four times, and waiting for the inevitable.
 1. e.g. the start of series 5 is very deliberately set up to be one.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dragooon on October 3rd, 2011, 02:54 PM
I might actually give it a shot, I liked the "End of time" although I didn't properly understand quite a bit of it.  I got a lot of stuff to catch up with.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 3rd, 2011, 03:00 PM
I think you'll really like it :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 3rd, 2011, 03:15 PM
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1. Start from the start of the reboot. Not really recommended unless you have a lot of spare time.
Oh, that's something I definitely should do again... Only watched most episodes once.
You know, I knew next to nothing about DW when the first season was released on DVD in France. The show made a great job of making it easier for newbies to jump right in. I filled in the rest with Wikipedia & co.
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3. Alternatively, watch The Girl in the Fireplace from series 2. It's much more Doctor orientated, but it's also a lot more typical of DW episodes.
Actually, I think I missed two episodes from the show -- an episode with cat women on New New York, and The Girl From the Fireplace. And yes, I know it was written by Moffat... :P I definitely should take some time to watch it (or re-watch it, in case I simply forgot about it.)
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@Nao: Yes, yes it was. I blame RTD! :P But we weren't watching for that, were we? We were watching for the knocking four times, and waiting for the inevitable.
I watched the episode because, well... I'm watching every single episode, obviously.
But even with the ridiculous plot, it was fantastic to see John Simm again. I just love the guy so much... I think I could watch him on Countdown and still be in awe. I'm sure he'd end up finding a 9-letter word with a Q, a K and a Z.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 3rd, 2011, 03:21 PM
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Oh, that's something I definitely should do again... Only watched most episodes once.
Yeah, what happened with us is that I got Liz watching it after series 5, and we ended up buying the first 4 series that summer (and the 5th when it came out), so we could rewatch it in its entirety back to back before the Christmas special.

Even though I'd seen them all before, I was seeing things I didn't remember.
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Actually, I think I missed two episodes from the show -- an episode with cat women on New New York, and The Girl From the Fireplace. And yes, I know it was written by Moffat...  I definitely should take some time to watch it (or re-watch it, in case I simply forgot about it.)
The episode with cat women in New New York is cute but nothing earth shattering. We do get to see Boe again though, briefly, before his main plot resolves in Gridlock.

Girl From The Fireplace. Watch it. NOW.
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I watched the episode because, well... I'm watching every single episode, obviously.
But even with the ridiculous plot, it was fantastic to see John Simm again. I just love the guy so much... I think I could watch him on Countdown and still be in awe. I'm sure he'd end up finding a 9-letter word with a Q, a K and a Z.
Heh, it wasn't RTD's finest. And he is a great actor, and it shows, but even the best actor can't make gold out of a turd-like script.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 3rd, 2011, 05:16 PM
Anyone seen Mad Dogs? Jut added that to my watchlist ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 3rd, 2011, 05:19 PM
Nope, not seen it, what's it about?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 3rd, 2011, 07:22 PM
Apparently a thriller show with John Simm and Phil Glenister. Life on Mars is back :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on October 8th, 2011, 10:18 PM
This: Doctor Who: 15 Unanswered Questions(http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/10/08/doctor-who-15-unanswered-questions/)

(Haven't posted much, been incredibly busy -- sory 'bout that.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 21st, 2011, 11:43 PM
Getting used to this show, yeah it's my first time watching it thanks to Netflix. :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 21st, 2011, 11:46 PM
Where did you start?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 21st, 2011, 11:49 PM
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Where did you start?
when I say it's my first time, it's today starting with season 1. Dr. with Rose. Now on episode 5. :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 22nd, 2011, 12:00 AM
Funnily enough, we decided to start rewatching the show from the start this evening, just about to start episode 3, but even just in the first couple of episodes you get a feel for the imagination at its heart... It only gets better!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 22nd, 2011, 05:11 PM
So...Dr. Who...aliens...time travel...saving the world. :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 22nd, 2011, 05:36 PM
And more awesomeness on top, yes.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 22nd, 2011, 05:47 PM
Not sure about awesomeness yet, i'm on the second serie, liked the new face of Dr. Who. I'm catching up. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 22nd, 2011, 05:52 PM
If you're on to season 2, you've already had The Empty Child and the season 1 finale, which are season 1's moments of glory... but season 2 has some very awesome moments.

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The Girl In The Fireplace, the Army of Ghosts and Doomsday.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 22nd, 2011, 06:06 PM
Doomsday was good, but it felt awfully like His Dark Materials to me... And kinda ruined it. Nothing could beat HDM.

Still pondering over some of these '15 unanswered questions', hmm...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 22nd, 2011, 06:09 PM
Eh, I haven't read all of HDM (I keep meaning to, just never seem to find the time)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 22nd, 2011, 08:02 PM
Oops...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on October 22nd, 2011, 09:06 PM
Shame they won't be making the other parts of the HDM series into a movie, really. Such potential! Though, admittedly I was slightly disappointed to see the religious parallels significantly toned down in the movie adaptation of Northern Lights / The Golden Compass.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 23rd, 2011, 09:40 PM
Doomsday was good, I was expecting a little more apocalyptic. :P

So no more of Rose or the Tylers.

Onward to Season 3...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 23rd, 2011, 09:43 PM
Season 3 is awesome. It has 'Blink'. Also, never say never.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 24th, 2011, 08:58 AM
I've to say...I'm getting annoyed by Daleks' existence. It just keep coming back. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 24th, 2011, 09:03 AM
Yeah, so are the rest of us, for the exact same reason. 48 years ago when we first saw them, they were scary, now they're just irritating :P Fortunately, while they have a double episode in series 3 and a double episode in series 4 (though that's a good one), they're limited to a single episode and a smaller appearance elsewhere in series 5 and only in a scene or two in series 6! (Though I bet they'll be back in force for series 7. Boo.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 24th, 2011, 09:09 AM
What? No!!! Seriously? You know what else is irritating? Cybermen!!! I tell you. :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 24th, 2011, 09:15 AM
Cybermen are less prominent after season 2.

I loved the Dalek episode in series one. But all subsequent Dalek appearances sucked.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 24th, 2011, 09:27 AM
Cybermen aren't in series 3 or 4, don't show up again until the end of series 5 (and relatively briefly there), they show up for one episode and one cameo appearance in series 6.

I have to admit I wasn't a big fan of 'Dalek' in series 1, and after that they're just irritating generally. Though things get interesting in series 4... :whistle:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 24th, 2011, 09:36 AM
The Dalek episode works well to introduce daleks to Who newbies, which I was part of, obviously. (I have yet to see a *complete* episode of the original show. First 1963 episode was too boring, and City of Death started too campy for my taste...)
Remember, their appearance is quite laughable for a new viewer. "Them, SCARY...?!"
So it worked really, really well to see the Doctor, who up until now was very sure of himself, completely lose it in front of a pepperpot.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 24th, 2011, 09:46 AM
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The Dalek episode works well to introduce daleks to Who newbies, which I was part of, obviously.
Yeah, my partner takes the same view.
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First 1963 episode was too boring, and City of Death started too campy for my taste...)
It was a whole different generation of TV watching - remember, you'd tune in every week for another 25 minute segment.
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I have yet to see a *complete* episode of the original show. First 1963 episode was too boring, and City of Death started too campy for my taste...
I think you have to be a bit choosier about the earlier ones if you're coming to it from being a New Who fan, as it were - some of the older stuff hasn't held up well at all, and especially the oldest stuff.

You might try Tom Baker (4th Doctor) first, I'm sure you'll see some of the similarities to Tennant. Specifically, for a first viewing, try either The Pyramids of Mars or The Robots of Death which are quite good all-rounders (and TPoM has a rather younger, more naive Sarah Jane Smith in, so it's not like you have to be mystified as to who the companion is or where they came from)

The other thing to remember is that back then, while there were 'seasons', they weren't seasons in the way you and I would consider them today - a season was essentially a collection of 6 or so narratives, each of which was 4-6 25 minute episodes, meaning that a season was most of a year's worth of shows.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 24th, 2011, 09:56 AM
Giving the serie a break :P now watching the side quest movie: The End of Time
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 24th, 2011, 04:44 PM
In answer to the 15 unanswered questions(http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/10/08/doctor-who-15-unanswered-questions/) that Aaron posted a link to... (my theories)

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So, why go to the trouble of putting River in the lake?

A sense of drama, plus the fact that the Silents/Silence love the whole notion of being hidden, and a lake would be a pretty good way to hide someone. Plus it's also a pretty direct reference to the whole Silence Will Fall idea since what River emerges out of the lake - Lake Silence.

It is a bit odd but less ridiculous than the plans that James Bond regularly has to deal with.

Speaking of the incident at Lake Silencio, did it really take the Doctor 200 years to come up with that escape plan?

As mentioned, he went out and about, sightseeing, staring back at Amy and Rory through history. The other thing is, the Doctor is of the understanding that it's a fixed point in time and space, and he's seen first hand what happens if he manipulates fixed points, it goes horribly awry. It isn't, then, quite so obvious that he can get out of it.

What was going on with those photos of a happy Amy and baby Melody?

Given that it's the Ganger Amy seeing those, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's hopeful images of the future as indicated in the article. Only natural that you should visualise such things subconsciously.

How does drawing tally marks on your face help? Surely that’s an awkward place to mark yourself? You’d need to carry a mirror around with you at all times.

If you run out of places on your arms, face is the nearest bit of exposed skin. Mind you, it also has the benefit of looking dramatic, and will remind your friends that something is wrong.

What’s going on with Madame Kovarian?

Well, the article points out that the aborted timeline has her dead (but the entire timeline is aborted, so that's pretty much irrelevant anyway, though a better question would be how she's at that 'time' and 'place' in the aborted timeline, but I guess if the entirety of time and space is happening at once, it's possible)

But yeah, she's probably living it up thinking that she's killed the Doctor, though something like that we're going to see again, I'm sure.

What was that Season 6B teaser all about?

It looked good, no? I think it was reflecting on the notion that the Doctor is going to die soon, and the fading of the sonic screwdriver's light was reflective of hope fading.

How are Dorium and those skulls still alive?

How are the Headless Monks still alive? It's the 51st Century, it's not inconceivable that they imbue the skulls with some sense of life after they'd died. Voodoo curse, maybe. It's no more ridiculous than animated skeletons or zombies...

Are the Doctor and River married now?

Well... the main issue seems to be that the Teselecta was the one that married River - but the Doctor was inside the Teselecta so I think we'd stretch a point on that one personally, but the marriage wouldn't be recognised in any court of law :P That said, in any way that makes meaningful sense for the two of them, they're married now.

Whatever happened to the Evil League of Evil?

With the risk to the Universe gone, they could suitably disband and not worry about things, so they return to their usual sense of domination.

Speaking of monsters, what’s up with the Cybermen?

The lack of Cybus logo indicates that they're not from the parallel universe but from the current one, and it's likely that the Cyberconverter at Canary Wharf (which got moved to the Hub) wasn't the only one. While the rest may not have been too functional, the designs would still be kicking about and likely worth some cash to the right person... there's a bunch of ways to explain this one.

What’s going on with the other timeship from “The Lodger”?

Yeah, I never really understood this. I get the impression that the ship crashed and was forever after a pilot, but that the one in 1969 was a separate ship, probably one the Silents had stolen, perhaps even the ship they used to get to Earth in the first place, and since partly repaired/rebuilt? I don't know.

So who blew up the TARDIS in “The Big Bang”?

The only way I can reconcile that is it being the previous attempt to rid the universe of the Doctor by the Silents: trap the mad man in a box that he can't escape and destroy his time machine. Except it had a consequence they didn't realise and he ended up saving the day. Hence the need to drag in Madame Kovarian.

Now we come to mention it, what exactly is The Silence?

Ahhh, yes. This one's tricky. There are three of them. There's the Silents, the religious order, and there's the whole notion of 'Silence will fall'. This later one is actually two: Silence will fall when the question is asked, presumably meaning a whole sense of universal apocalypse where nothing is left, and the Doctor's silence prior to that because he knows the answer and must not say it in order to avert the disaster at Trenzalor.

What is the question?

Well, I initially fell into the trap of thinking it was literal, but it won't be. The answer is we don't know the question, in a leap of Douglas Adamsian propositions, and the rest of the wording sets up for the best installment of the title gag yet.

And finally, and most crucially… why was there a duck pond with no ducks in “The Eleventh Hour”?

If there's no ducks, how do you know it's a duck pond? The idea here is that things have been removed from reality and you can't explain it but you know it's missing because the surrounding context is there. As in... it's a duck pond sans ducks but you know it's a duck pond.

Then of course we have the greatest play on words with it - Amy *Pond*. The duck pond is a simile of her life. She knows who she is, she remembers for example her childhood but she can't remember her parents. She knows she must have had them, but they're not there and they should be.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on October 27th, 2011, 05:21 AM
Long time no see, guys... :P

Ok, so I catch up and finish and even watch the latest, now The Wedding of River Song...
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Was quite a lame ending for such a high expectation that comes from season 5... Come on, ¿A Teselecta can beat a fix time in history? Moffat got that wrong...

So, now, I'm watching classic Doctor Who, and I must tell you... It's a must see. The Hartnell era is amazing, he's one of the greatest Doctors I've ever seen, Troughton is also a great Doctor and Pertwee, well, I can't say less than he's a badass or he'll give me some Venusian Karate lessons in my arse :P

Anyways, I'm expecting now the christmas especial more than christmas itself...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 27th, 2011, 09:25 AM
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No, the Teselecta was always part of the fixed time in history, that's the beauty of it. What happened at Lake Silencio always happened. Just that we didn't know the full story until he told us. Even the first time we saw it in The Impossible Astronaut, that was the Teselecta. The fixed point in time was everyone thinking they'd killed the Doctor but it actually being the Teselecta.

And yup, the original stuff is awesome; I grew up on re-runs of Pertwee and (Tom) Baker :D Oddly enough, the Hartnell/Troughton era isn't actually shown all that often here in the UK even on the 'Dave' channel (which is basically a channel born out of buying up broadcast rights to most of the BBC's back catalogue)

As far as the Christmas special goes, I still want to see the bit mentioned at the end of The Big Bang - where he answers the phone and it's a king or queen on board the Oriental Express, in space, with an Egyptian Goddess on the loose. I'm hoping that's going to be this year's Christmas special (after all, we've had an Agatha Christie based episode, we've also had something on board the starship Titanic, so something on board a space-bound Oriental Express is not out of the question)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 27th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Why would Moffat make a topical episode based on a joke he made over a year ago..?

Anyway -- I'm probably going to give Pyramids of Mars a try.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 27th, 2011, 12:09 PM
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Why would Moffat make a topical episode based on a joke he made over a year ago..?
Because that's the sort of thing he does, he buries things and pulls them out when he thinks you've forgotten.
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Anyway -- I'm probably going to give Pyramids of Mars a try.
:) It's worth it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 3rd, 2011, 06:08 PM
I really, really enjoyed the last 6 episodes of Season 3 especially Blink. :)
Really want more out of Blink, it was unique in its own right. It felt like a movie per se. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 3rd, 2011, 06:15 PM
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I really, really enjoyed the last 6 episodes of Season 3 especially Blink.
Season 3 is awesome, and Blink is often considered - pretty rightly, IMHO - to be one of (if not *the*) finest episode since the reboot.

But there's still plenty more awesomeness to come :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 3rd, 2011, 06:26 PM
At the very least it launched Carey Mulligan's career... She seems to be everywhere now ;)

DS, hopefully you'll enjoy Catherine Tate's stint as the official companion in series 4. She's still my favo(u)rite. Donna Noble is not as pretty as Pond, she may not kick ass as much, but she's got heart and a conscience. And she's funny as hell.

You'll love the Silence in the Library double episode. Hopefully. Then... Waters of Mars. And then season 5 -- it has plenty of great episodes like Vincent & the Doctor or Prisoner Zero. Same for season 6 with The Doctor's Wife and The Girl Who Waited.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 3rd, 2011, 08:56 PM
Have you guys seen these musical bits yet? (Posted them to Twitter and Facebook earlier this week, so some may have seen them.)

Doctor Who - Cast & Crew Special(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s4Czla6tXc#ws)

Doctor Who - "The Ballad of Russell and Julie" Wrap Party Special(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giaMRyn47Xg#ws)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 4th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Well in the last episode of Season 3:
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I get to find out who the Face of Boe is.  :D

I noticed somewhere in Season 4 where Doctor mentioned that she destoyed Martha's life.  :-/
Did I left out an episode explaining this?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 4th, 2011, 07:29 PM
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After series 3, she leaves but she won't forget what happened to her over the year that never was. After that, as evidenced in Torchwood series 2, she goes to work for UNIT, which comes back around in DW series 4, and he feels like he's ruined her life because of all that happened. Doesn't prevent what happens later in series 4, or before what happens before Ten regenerates, though that probably will explain it at the end...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 4th, 2011, 07:34 PM
Thanks mucho  :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 5th, 2011, 02:34 AM
This is sheer brilliance. SFX's 'scripteases' for Doctor Who series 5(http://www.sfx.co.uk/2010/07/06/scriptease-doctor-who/) and series 6(http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/11/04/scriptease-doctor-who-series-six/). I'm laughing so hard over here. :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 5th, 2011, 02:53 AM
The season 5 one was better there, I thought. Good but not laugh-out-loud worthy.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 6th, 2011, 10:45 AM
Funny stuff indeed.

This one is, too:

Doctor Who - "The Ballad of Russell and Julie" Wrap Party Special(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giaMRyn47Xg#ws)

Found via JMS's FB page.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 6th, 2011, 02:08 PM
(Psst, Aaron posted that earlier ;))
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Drunken Clam on November 6th, 2011, 04:23 PM
Apologies if this has been posted before, if it has, I missed it!  :P

Doctor Who: Regeneration (All The Doctor's Regenerations 1963 - 2010)(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXCpY_3Sac8#ws)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 6th, 2011, 05:53 PM
Oh sorry -- I don't watch videos often on my iPod and I forgot to reopen the topic when I got back to my pc. I was so glad I'd found something new I didn't bother to check the topic Eheh.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 6th, 2011, 05:55 PM
Heheheh
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 7th, 2011, 06:46 PM
(http://www.gawd.me/stuff/Jesus-vs-Dr-Who.png)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: godboko71 on November 7th, 2011, 09:15 PM
Cute comic.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 8th, 2011, 04:49 AM
The Dont Blink Cat.(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu0ByH2fK4o#)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 8th, 2011, 04:45 PM
iPad only? Awww

http://www.doctorwhoencyclopedia.com/
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 8th, 2011, 04:57 PM
At that price?

I'm willing to pay for things but £5 for the base package then £5 fir each of the two expansions is taking the piss.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 8th, 2011, 05:04 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 8th, 2011, 04:57 PM
At that price?

I'm willing to pay for things but £5 for the base package then £5 fir each of the two expansions is taking the piss.
I know, right? :/
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on November 9th, 2011, 01:21 AM
Now there are like 40 days till the xmas special and I want to know is... Is that all?

I mean, the world will collapse because of his name? I don't think that's actually all that matters? Isn't the who what matters? It's not Moffat's best idea, but it might turn interesting...

Bring. The. Bloody. Daleks. Back.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 9th, 2011, 01:32 AM
Quote
I mean, the world will collapse because of his name? I don't think that's actually all that matters? Isn't the who what matters? It's not Moffat's best idea, but it might turn interesting...
Oh, no, no it won't be that. While it's quite true that it is the 'oldest question' and is 'hidden in plain sight', it's evident that it won't be what the Doctor's real name is. Took me a while to realise that, haha.

It's someone. Someone the Doctor knows of. It isn't "Doctor who?" but "Doctor, who?" As in "Doctor, who is it?"

I don't think the Christmas special is the fields of Trenzalor, at the fall of the Eleventh. It hasn't had enough build-up like a season arc. It might be, however, the Oriental Express in Space.
Quote
Bring. The. Bloody. Daleks. Back.
Jesus Christ no. While I appreciate that they have fought every single incarnation of the Doctor (we never saw them expressly against Eight, the intimation from Nine's debut episode is that he is only recently regenerated, and that he would have done so only in the last time of the Time War, so that would make Eight the incarnation to have fought in the Time War)

Also...
Mighty Morphin Dalek Rangers(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2jCL6QM6xc#ws)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 9th, 2011, 02:04 AM
Quote from DoctorMalboro on November 9th, 2011, 01:21 AM
Bring. The. Scary. Weeping. Angels. Back.
Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 9th, 2011, 02:06 AM
Quote from ~DS~ on November 9th, 2011, 02:04 AM
Quote from DoctorMalboro on November 9th, 2011, 01:21 AM
Bring. The. Scary. Weeping. Angels. Back.
Fixed it for you.
THIS. Not the moving-and-not-so-scary-wussy-Angels.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 11th, 2011, 09:10 PM
Ok, I am done with Season 5. The Big Bang was awesome. :D

Now Season 6 isn't on Netflix yet so any idea where I can watch it elsewhere?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 11th, 2011, 09:28 PM
It's not even out of DVD *here* yet...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 14th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 11th, 2011, 09:28 PM
It's not even out of DVD *here* yet...
You can always order. :P

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005M2A4DE
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 14th, 2011, 08:14 PM
You don't think I didn't already have it on pre-order? :P Only I preordered the UK version, not the US version... ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 14th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Pete, there's another topic waiting for you... :niark:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 14th, 2011, 08:43 PM
http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1212415p1.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 14th, 2011, 09:36 PM
Barf. I just read it(http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/11/14/harry-potter-director-planning-doctor-who-movie/) on the SFX website. We can only hope the BBC won't allow it (trademark and all). I for one would hate to see a movie being produced that doesn't tie in with continuity. That may have been acceptable during the Hartnell/Cushing era, but nowadays ..?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 14th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Let him do his job... I'd rather have two Docs than none ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 14th, 2011, 10:45 PM
There's been rumour of a Hollywood-backed Doctor Who movie for years, it does the rounds about this time every year (between the end of a season and the gap before the Christmas special)

Last year the rumour was Matt Smith would do it if he had time but that Johnny Depp was hotly placed for the role. Personally, I think it'd work well enough with him.

Anyway, I think the continuity angle is a problem; don't mention the Cushing films to rabid fanbois, even if you happen to mention Bernard Cribbins.[1]

Paul McGann might be up for it, but that raises the problem of continuity (it'd have to be about the Time War) and that he's said he'll do it only if he doesn't have to wear a wig - and he has short hair now.

The real question for me isn't whether they should or not, I'd honestly like to see such an endeavour, however it needs to be the right actor, the right writing team behind them, the right script and not screw up continuity too badly. Parallel universe Doctor and Rose maybe, or something similar in a parallel universe since you can't screw those up too badly...
 1. Or depending on where you go, NEVER mention Bernard Cribbins at all except for acknowledging that he was Wilf. For some fans, the Cushing films are like the second and third Matrix films, they didn't happen.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 15th, 2011, 04:19 AM
Quote
"The project is unlikely to reach cinemas for several years and as yet there is no script, cast or production crew in place."
<_<

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15730665
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 15th, 2011, 09:21 AM
Which means it sounds like it'd coincide with how long Matt Smith will probably stay in the role... curious.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 15th, 2011, 09:43 AM
I like Smith but I think there's room for an alternative doctor in a movie if he's written differently. It's fiction after all. A reboot is okay as long as the two coexist peacefully.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 15th, 2011, 03:23 PM
Quote from Nao on November 15th, 2011, 09:43 AM
A reboot is okay as long as the two coexist peacefully.
In theory, I suppose. However, from what this man is saying, I gather he hasn't the faintest idea what the show should be about:
Quote from David Yates
It needs quite a radical transformation to take it into the bigger arena. Russell T Davies and then Steven Moffat have done their own transformations, which were fantastic, but we have to put that aside and start from scratch.
Sounds like a new kind of Peter Cushing movie to me; and yes, I've seen both and utterly dislike them.

The real doom scenario is, of course:

(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/8/2010/07/940a426cafbc8a2f74433d0c4155966f/original.jpg)(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/8/2010/07/940a426cafbc8a2f74433d0c4155966f/original.jpg)

Even BBC News(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15730665) are reporting it now, btw. Doesn't really say anything, but hey.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 15th, 2011, 09:26 PM
Hmmm. I think the next QI I'll be watching is the David Tennant episode. Brilliant show, thanks Pete for mentioning it!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 15th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Like a proper boss: https://twitter.com/#!/steven_moffat/status/136473335147139072
Quote from Steven Moffat
Announcing my personal moonshot, starting from scratch. No money, no plan, no help from NASA. But I know where the moon is - I've seen it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 15th, 2011, 09:47 PM
Btw, Aaron, you should totally get over here next summer. Long brown coat, Converse... fairly sure you know the drill ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on November 16th, 2011, 02:38 AM
As owner of this baby, I approve the entire posts of this page! :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 16th, 2011, 02:42 AM
Heh, awesome.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 16th, 2011, 02:46 AM
Look like a cheap knocked up sonic toy. :p

I want the real thing. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 16th, 2011, 02:48 AM
I'd personally rather have Eleven's sonic cane :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on November 17th, 2011, 01:03 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 16th, 2011, 02:48 AM
I'd personally rather have Eleven's sonic cane :D
I want this:
Venusian lullaby (The Curse of Peladon)(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcohxqDwPCU#)

Even though the Eleven's sonic cane is super badass :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: billy2 on November 17th, 2011, 03:38 PM
Yeah Dr.M,
But where else (other than the privacy of your own home) would you wear a sodding great furry suit??

 :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: DoctorMalboro on November 17th, 2011, 11:15 PM
Well, I love to have walks in the park at midnight... That would scare some people off, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 18th, 2011, 09:34 PM
And here it is, Christmas Special: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_111119_02/The_Christmas_Special_The_Doctor_The_Widow_and_The_Wardrobe  :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 18th, 2011, 09:34 PM
The trailer for this year's christmas special, The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe(http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_111119_02/The_Christmas_Special_The_Doctor_The_Widow_and_The_Wardrobe), has landed over at the BBC's website! :D

ETA: damn, ninja'd. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 19th, 2011, 09:48 AM
Quote from Aaron on November 18th, 2011, 09:34 PM
The trailer for this year's christmas special, The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe(http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_111119_02/The_Christmas_Special_The_Doctor_The_Widow_and_The_Wardrobe), has landed over at the BBC's website! :D

ETA: damn, ninja'd. :P
:lol:

I think we need a Who fansite based on SMF...eh...Wedge.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2011, 10:36 AM
I think the title has more promises than the trailer itself...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 19th, 2011, 04:54 PM
I get that same feeling, oddly enough :/

Though I didn't watch Children In Need itself, so I'll have to go look up what happened later.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2011, 05:19 PM
They just spent a lot of time in the trailer showing low-budget/interior/exposition stuff, when they should have shown more about the 'other' world...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 19th, 2011, 05:21 PM
We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

I'll be up at parents-in-law so will no doubt be fighting off the noise of everyone else chattering :(
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2011, 05:22 PM
Hmm, I don't know where I'll be...
Well, I'll be watching it in the morning anyway, considering the delays in getting it in France... :whistle:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 19th, 2011, 05:24 PM
I'm not really looking forward to Christmas, it's not exactly going to be a 'simply having a wonderful Christmastime' moment (and Sir Cliff can shove it up his ...) but we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Well... Hopefully your family can get into the spirit!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 19th, 2011, 05:34 PM
I had to explain what was going on during The Wedding of River Song to them, fortunately I rewatched it on iPlayer later and then was not disturbed...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2011, 06:18 PM
I'm not surprised that a 'regular' family, not especially into Who, would be lost with the new seasons... Moffat sort of upped the game when he jumped in. And probably lost a lot of casual viewers in the process. At least for the arc-based episodes. I'm pretty sure River Song is still a mystery to most British citizens...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 19th, 2011, 06:22 PM
They don't watch DW normally at all, so the season finale episode would have been a mystery to them regardless of which season it was from...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 22nd, 2011, 10:29 AM
I don't know but I actually liked it.  :)

http://youtu.be/o7vxt4ois-I
Quote
“But there are laws. There are laws of time. Once upon a time there were people in charge of those laws, but they died. They all died. Do you know who that leaves? Me! It’s taken me all these years to realise the laws of time are mine! And they will obey me!”
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 22nd, 2011, 02:46 PM
I actually didn't like most of that episode, it just annoyed me for some reason but when you get to the end stage and the whole notion of the Time Lord Victorious, it's clear his days are numbered... you do not mess with a fixed event in time and space and  watch it end well, because time will always right itself in the end.

(In case it wasn't entirely clear, it wasn't for me on first watching, she realises that she was not supposed to have been saved, that it is her death that is fixed in time and space and that it is her death that must happen so her grandchildren go out into space. Even though the fiddly details are different, she realises that she has the power to make time continue in much the same direction as it had before.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Drunken Clam on November 22nd, 2011, 06:30 PM
Woah!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230703619118#ht_786wt_978
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 22nd, 2011, 07:24 PM
In other news, season 6 has arrived on DVD so I'm going to begin rewatching, probably with a run through of season 5 first.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 22nd, 2011, 08:00 PM
50 grand? Hmm I'll go check my wallet.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 22nd, 2011, 08:03 PM
It is for charity after all...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 22nd, 2011, 10:15 PM
Yeah, s'pose I coul' go up to 60. Tell ya what, I'll with the missus.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 22nd, 2011, 10:16 PM
BUT WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN? IT'S FOR CHILDREN!

Still, I have my boxed set, TV is currently set to watching some tripe, so I'm going to have to defer watching for a bit. Can't decide whether to just re-run series 5 (with Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead before it) or do a complete run through since the reboot.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 22nd, 2011, 10:50 PM
I dunno. I'm currently addicted to QI. Badly.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 22nd, 2011, 10:52 PM
Quote from Nao on November 22nd, 2011, 10:50 PM
I dunno. I'm currently addicted to QI. Badly.
It's OK, I found myself a new shiny toy to confuse me during daylight hours (i.e. when I can take over the TV)... The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword.

I promised myself I'd implement the things I want to do with post moderation today but instead I found myself called to Skyloft, rescuing something, beating the snot out of some other stuff, generally training to be an awesome knight, that sort of thing...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2011, 06:47 AM
So you'd rather look skyward than wedgeward! :lol:
Me, I stopped Skyrim for now. I'm sick of the random dragon spawns in town when I fast travel or whatever. They kill frigging npcs and then I have to resurrect them with the console and sometimes it fails. And the quests aren't as varied and funny as in Oblivion. What happened to me?!
Posted: November 23rd, 2011, 06:44 AM

Btw instead of Skyrim I worked on, ahem... The Indenazi feature. And it works. And it's really called that ;)
Why don't you play Zelda on your pc? The Dolphin emulator is very advanced. Heck, I played my last Wii game on it because it's faster and in HD. While my Wii gives mr a blurry picture on my Telly...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 23rd, 2011, 11:04 AM
Quote
Why don't you play Zelda on your pc?
Do any of the emulators *properly* handle MotionPlus? You actually need to use that in Skyward Sword, because the Wiimote (with MotionPlus) is used to control the sword and it does actually reflect in the controls. Meanwhile, the nunchuk is used (motion-wise) to control shield and do forward rolls by tilting it forward.

Hmm, I just looked up Dolphin, seems like it would support the things Skyward Sword needs, but it will require my buying at least two pieces of hardware to make it work (and even then, that will likely have side effects on my system, I really need to upgrade my PSU sometime)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2011, 12:15 PM
But you get instant state saves :)

Also, Dolphin emulates the Wiimote if you connect the IR bar to your PC or something, but it can also emulate it with a keyboard or pad. Which is what I did because I hate my Wiimote. It hurt my hands.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 23rd, 2011, 02:20 PM
Well, the sensor bar is primarily an IR source rather than a consumer of signal from what I remember, so that's not so much an issue - but the real issue for me is that SS *really* needs the motion sensitive stuff to work well, and I don't have the ability to make that happen on my PC at this time.

Mind you, for virtually all the other games I have, it would probably no inconvenience at all to use keyboard, since virtually all the other games I have are the Lego games. (Though, at least one of them makes use of the Wiimote to target enemies, so if that can be replaced by mouse control I'd be rather happy)

As far as instant state saves go, despite having had that ability in other emulators for years, I find myself not really using it.


Mind you, it would allow me to do one thing: I might get to play some of the Mario games on Wii... someone very close to me does not like Mario :/
Posted: November 23rd, 2011, 12:24 PM

Also, for the Christmas tree this year, I'll be hanging one of these little beauties(http://www.bbcshop.com/christmas11store/doctor-who-hand-crafted-glass-tardis-tree-decoration-bbc-shop-exclusive/invt/zczdw4111/). (I'm not a Christmas person but couldn't resist one of those.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2011, 02:39 PM
Lol.

Well, if you like childish construction games, try MySims Kingdoms. I absolutely loved that game a couple of years ago. On my Wii.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 23rd, 2011, 02:43 PM
The Lego games aren't really construction games, they're more action adventure games with movie licences that aren't absolutely hideous to play...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2011, 04:10 PM
Yeah, I know the kind of game, seen them on TV, but MySims Kingdom was really fun in its own right -- it's not really a Sims game, the goal is to roam islands to find quests to complete, which usually involve solving puzzles like constructing a pipeline system to bring water from point A to point B, or rebuilding something from sort-of lego blocks, etc... When you complete the missions, you get access to more islands, more things to do, etc... Gosh, just talking about it, I want to play it again from the start...

But right now, I'm addicted to Mawaru Penguindrum, an excellent bizarre Japanese show (I always loved the guys who work on this one.) I'm totally cured from Skyrim for now. Too many boring quests, no 'craziness' so far, the Thieves and Dark Brotherhood quests suck (compared to Oblivion's), I'm pissed off with the dragon spawns (I should have left the main quest alone, I didn't know that doing a specific action would trigger these and bother me forever, and now it's too late to load an earlier save), and there are too many bugs in the game -- probably more than in Oblivion. I've taken a few amusing screenshots in that respect... Well, amusing when you're not playing, obviously. Like a character who was on horseback, riding into the sun, I tried following him for as long as I could, then he just disappeared and his horse went to the sky and was suddenly drawn back at lightspeed. Hours later, I was walking around another area, when I found the very same friggin' character who'd disappeared... He was in the wild, stuck halfway into the ground (only his trunk and head were visible), and when I addressed him, he just talked normally. Talk about immersion...

Anyway! :^^;:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 23rd, 2011, 04:13 PM
In other news, I'm now trying out Dolphin...or I will be in a while once the first disc has finished being ripped...

:edit: Or I would if it didn't think I had a faulty drive :/
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2011, 04:50 PM
Ouch...

Well, we're in private, so I'll just say... You could simply download a rip of your game off thepiratebay or something ;)
If you bought it, you're entitled to a backup copy anyway...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 23rd, 2011, 04:53 PM
I could but I actually feel wrong about doing that (and under UK copyright law, it's still illegal to do that in any case)

Eh, I need a new DVD drive anyway as the one I have is now about 8 years old and misbehaves anyway.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2011, 05:38 PM
You may feel wrong about it, but it's not wrong. Ask the game developers, I'm sure they won't mind...
Anyway, it's up to you whether you want to be able to play your games without getting in your girlfriend's way ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 23rd, 2011, 05:41 PM
Technically even ripping CDs to computer is illegal here, btw. Backup copies argument aside, format shifting is technically against the Copyright and Designs Act. Just that for personal use it's quietly ignored.

It's only really Skyward Sword and the Mario games (that I don't own yet) that I can't play during the evening, I can play those during the day if I choose... and Skyward Sword is a bit buggy at the moment going by the forum...

Still, I'm certainly intrigued by the idea.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2011, 09:09 PM
Keep me posted :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 23rd, 2011, 09:11 PM
First I need a new PSU and DVD drive... Meanwhile Imma go look for a tool for my Mac, whose DVD drive does actually work properly...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 30th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Ok so I completed Season(Series) 6 and it's quite enjoyable but there is supposedly more episodes after "The Wedding of River Song", no?

http://gomiso.com/m/doctor-who--5/seasons/6
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 30th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Other than the top entry which is the 2011 Christmas special, most of the extra bits are just special extra scenes, like deleted scenes or extra scenes. They're all on the season 6 boxed set. (The special isn't... It hasn't even been shown here yet ;))
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 30th, 2011, 08:50 PM
And the silly Einstein skit.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 30th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Which was written by a bunch of 10 year olds, and quite amusing to boot.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 30th, 2011, 10:00 PM
It didn't work for me but that's okay.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on November 30th, 2011, 10:09 PM
It didn't work, but being written by 10 year olds and not being horrendous is a good sign for their future as writers...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 30th, 2011, 11:46 PM
http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-down-under-in-2012-28651.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DoctorWhoTv+%28Doctor+Who+TV%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on December 2nd, 2011, 01:14 PM
Quote from https://twitter.com/steven_moffat/status/142509085982601216
To clarify: any Doctor Who movie would be made by the BBC team, star the current TV Doctor and certainly NOT be a Hollywood reboot.
Thank you, mister Moffat.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 5th, 2011, 04:56 PM
Got a chance to see 2010's Christmas Carol. That Special is awesome. :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 5th, 2011, 05:05 PM
And just think, in another life, Kazran Sardick was a long-haired bearded man who played with wands, and was headmaster at some insanely strange school that's housed in a castle, and helped guide a small boy with a scar on his forehead to greatness.[1]
 1. The actor for old Kazran Sardick is one Michael Gambon, better known as Dumbledore for most of the Harry Potter films.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 8th, 2011, 09:16 PM
What was the track Abigail sang "Silence is All"? Abigail's Song from Murray Gold? Other said Katherine Jenkins?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 11th, 2011, 08:16 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 30th, 2011, 08:48 PM
Other than the top entry which is the 2011 Christmas special, most of the extra bits are just special extra scenes, like deleted scenes or extra scenes. They're all on the season 6 boxed set. (The special isn't... It hasn't even been shown here yet ;))
So Christmas specials aren't included in the season DVDs?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 11th, 2011, 08:23 PM
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So Christmas specials aren't included in the season DVDs?
Well... season 2's boxed set had the one between series 1 & 2, season 3's boxed set had the one between series 2 & 3, season 4's boxed set had the one between 3 & 4. The specials between series 4 & 5 were a set of their own (so series 5 didn't have a Christmas special in it (as it was in the Specials boxed set, because it was the two part End of Time). Season 6's boxed set contains the between 5 & 6 Christmas special and the upcoming 2011 Christmas special will be in series 7's boxed set, I'd imagine. Though it'll be on sale independently too.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 11th, 2011, 08:50 PM
The sad thing with the French DVDs is that they don't offer the first Christmas special on any of the box sets. It's like they didn't even know it existed, even though they included the later ones...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 11th, 2011, 09:27 PM
So they actually missed The Christmas Invasion? Weird.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 11th, 2011, 10:17 PM
I just saw bits of it... Probably downloaded it at the time, or something, but that was part of the couple of episodes I never really saw. (That, and the first episode of series 2. So that's two in a row.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 11th, 2011, 10:40 PM
Shame, because the Christmas Invasion is actually very good considering how much time Tennant spends in bed in it. Though it has one of RTD's worst deus ex machinas, and quite a few of Ten's best lines, IMO. Certainly his most quotable episode.

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Sycorax Leader: [shouts] I demand to know who you are!
The Doctor: [shouts, imitating him] I don't know!
The Doctor: See, there's the thing. I'm the Doctor, but beyond that, I - I just don't know. I literally do not know who I am. It's all untested. Am I funny? Am I sarcastic? Sexy? [winks at Rose]
The Doctor: Am I an old misery? Life and soul? Right-handed? Left-handed? A gambler? A fighter? A coward? A traitor, a liar, a nervous wreck? I mean, judging by the evidence, I've certainly got a gob.

Aw, I wanted to be ginger! I've never been ginger! And you, Rose Tyler! Fat lot of good you were! You gave up on me! [Rose looks annoyed] Ooh, that's rude. Is that the sort of man I am now? Am I rude? Rude and not ginger.

The Doctor: ...And how am I gonna react when I see this? A great, big, threatening button. A great, big, threatening button which must not be pressed under any circumstances, am I right? Looks like some sort of control matrix. But what's powering it? Blood?
[tastes red liquid]
The Doctor: Yep, blood. Human blood. A positive... with just a dash of iron. Agh. That means... Blood control. Blood Control! Oh, I haven't seen blood control for years! So you're controlling all the A positives. Which leaves us with a great, big, stinkin' problem. I really don't know who I am. I don't know when to stop. So if I see a great, big, threatening button which should never ever ever be pressed, then I just want to do this.
[presses button]

Sycorax Leader: I can summon the armada and take this world by force!
The Doctor: Well, yeah, you *could*, you could do that, course you could, but *why*? Look at these people, these human beings, consider their potential. From the day they arrive on this planet and blinking, step into the sun, there is more to see than can ever be seen, more to do... no, hold on... sorry, that's the Lion King... but the point still stands! Leave them alone!

The Doctor: [as Sycorax Leader celebrates cutting the Doctor's hand off] And now I know what sort of man I am. I'm lucky, because quite by chance, I'm still within the first 15 hours of my regeneration cycle, which means I have just enough residual cellular energy to do this. [grows hand back]
Sycorax Leader: Witchcraft?!
The Doctor: Time Lord!

The Doctor: And this new hand... it's a FIGHTIN' HAND!

(after throwing a satsuma at the switch and killing the Sycorax leader) No second chances, I'm that sort of a man.

You're not missing so much with the first episode of series 2 (New Earth) though. It's cute, mostly as a reminder of series 1's opener, and is lightly plot related as far as certain arcs are concerned (it comes up again in Gridlock when Ten meets the Face of Boe again) but other than that... it's not that awesome.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 15th, 2011, 07:50 AM
Elisabeth Sladen...I didn't knew that she died. :(
Wondered why she said she was dying on the show in Tennant 's final performance when she really was in RL.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 15th, 2011, 08:01 AM
She said it on the show?
Because afaik she doesn't die in it... Only Brigadier has a cannon death.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 15th, 2011, 08:02 AM
What's with your name change btw? ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 15th, 2011, 04:56 PM
Quote from Nao on December 15th, 2011, 08:01 AM
She said it on the show?
Because afaik she doesn't die in it... Only Brigadier has a cannon death.
SJA: Season four, episode 12, "Goodbye, Sarah Jane Smith."
Posted: December 15th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Quote from Nao on December 15th, 2011, 08:02 AM
What's with your name change btw? ;)
I can't, can I?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 15th, 2011, 05:12 PM
Yes you can.
And congrats on being the 4th member to reach the 1000-post milestone!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 15th, 2011, 05:52 PM
Ah, see, we don't watch SJA much... but its canonicity is unclear too seeing how the Doctor once said to Clyde that he could regenerate over 500 times.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 15th, 2011, 06:00 PM
500? It is actually said that the Doctors 12th and final regeneration (Doctor number 13) is supposed to be evil. Thats the rumor at least, no?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 15th, 2011, 06:14 PM
Well then he'll regenerate into 13, get killed immediately by his companion on his request prior to regenerating, and then become 14 on the way to 500.. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 15th, 2011, 07:33 PM
He told someobe in SJA that it was something like 507 times, but we know Rule 1: the Doctor lies.

Yup, the final regeneration is supposed to be evil, cf. The Trial of a Time Lord series but it's not entirely clear how that will work going forward...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 15th, 2011, 07:58 PM
We can only hope that Matt Smith doesn't get killed in 7th season. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on December 15th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Quote from Sin on December 15th, 2011, 06:00 PM
It is actually said that the Doctors 12th and final regeneration (Doctor number 13) is supposed to be evil. Thats the rumor at least, no?
You might be thinking of the Valeyard(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeyard) there ..?
Quote from Arantor on December 15th, 2011, 07:33 PM
Yup, the final regeneration is supposed to be evil, cf. The Trial of a Time Lord series but it's not entirely clear how that will work going forward...
Looks like Pete did, too. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 15th, 2011, 09:31 PM
Aside from the fact it wasn't the best writing in the world and that it was about 1/3 too long, Trial was a pretty neat idea and story. Also, it will be interesting if the Dream Lord makes another appearance, as that definitely reminded me of the Valeyard. IMO, it was very indirectly implied in the hotel episode in season 6 that's who's in room 11...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 15th, 2011, 09:53 PM
Maybe he lied about the regeneration limit too?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 15th, 2011, 10:06 PM
Almost certainly. Then again, this is Russell T Davies we're talking about...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 15th, 2011, 11:46 PM
http://tv.ign.com/articles/121/1214921p1.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 16th, 2011, 12:10 AM
Not really a surprise, not only does season 6 pretty much indicate that we're going to be leaving the Ponds behind anyway, it wasn't ever going to be a surprise to note that River was going to be back again - since we still haven't seen probably the most poignant scene of theirs yet.

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Where, as River explains, he took her to the singing towers of Darillium, and he cried, before giving her his screwdriver, because he knew it was time. Time to go to the Library.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 16th, 2011, 01:31 AM
All as expected, and all good!
Not that I have anything against the Ponds, of course. Love them. But I have a feeling that Moffat will find new interesting characters to develop!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 16th, 2011, 02:11 AM
Oh, of course he will, but it won't stop the haters who want RTD style character development.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 16th, 2011, 04:46 PM
RTD had character development? :P

To be honest though, I'd be curious to see whether Moffat could reinvent himself outside of his own personal Who universe (i.e. the Ponds and the Angels), although on the other hand I can't complain that they exist :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 16th, 2011, 04:55 PM
His development was primarily upping the angst each episode. :P

I'm curious to see what Moffat will do next, too.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on December 16th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Quote from Nao on December 16th, 2011, 04:46 PM
RTD had character development? :P
Well, from what I hear, his companion characters appealed to more people, as they were introduced along with their families and all, thus feeling more 'real' ...
Quote from Arantor on December 16th, 2011, 04:55 PM
I'm curious to see what Moffat will do next, too.
I hope he doesn't keep raising the stakes for the series finale, heh. Something a lot smaller, like an invasion or so, would be nice for a change, I think.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 16th, 2011, 05:12 PM
I'd like to see him without companions, imagine that, a darker evil Doctor. :P

Like this for example:

Dark Doctor - David Tennant (Tenth)(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-kO-4Pp8tQ#ws)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 16th, 2011, 05:35 PM
How can an invasion be smaller than a single man being threatened of imminent death? :^^;:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 16th, 2011, 05:55 PM
Or worse, a single man being threatened with NOT dying. Forever.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 16th, 2011, 06:06 PM
Quote from Arantor on December 16th, 2011, 05:55 PM
Or worse, a single man being threatened with NOT dying. Forever.
Being immortal is awesome. :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 16th, 2011, 06:12 PM
Eternity is really long, especially near the end. (Woody Allen)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 16th, 2011, 06:21 PM
"This is the tomb of Rassilon, where Rassilon lies in eternal sleep.  Anyone who has got this far has passed a number of dangers and has showed great courage and determination.  To lose is to win and he who wins shall lose.  Anyone who takes the ring from Rassilon’s hand and puts it on shall get the reward he seeks."

The reward is immortality, but immortality is a curse, not a blessing, to be forever and unchanging - you just perpetuate everything instead of bringing something new. See both The Five Doctors and The Brain of Morbius.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 16th, 2011, 07:08 PM
Well, I precisely thought I'd been immortal a lot, these days!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 23rd, 2011, 01:49 PM
Was meaning to watch the The Trial Of A Time Lord[1] but was told it was a whole season with boring plot. :/
 1. I'm curious to see where they mentioned incarnation of the thirteenth Doctor: Valeyard
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 23rd, 2011, 02:01 PM
Yes, it's 14 episodes, however it's 14 episodes of 25 (not 45) minutes, and it's still encompassing 3 serials as it does so.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 23rd, 2011, 02:14 PM
Hmm. Only reason I'd watch that is because Brian Blessed is in it...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 23rd, 2011, 02:19 PM
Quote from Nao on December 23rd, 2011, 02:14 PM
Hmm. Only reason I'd watch that is because Brian Blessed is in it...
Am I only the only who are into storyline rather than the characters or actors? :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 23rd, 2011, 02:32 PM
It's the sort of thing that does get referenced; more than one person noted that the Dream Lord is a continuation of sorts of the Valeyard.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 23rd, 2011, 03:33 PM
How the hell did I missed "A Girl in the Fireplace"? Shame on me, that was one of my favorite out of 3, yet so heartbreaking epsiode.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 25th, 2011, 09:03 PM
So, the Christmas special. Sorry to say that it was quite average for a Moffat story, kind of predictable in more than one way, but the ending redeemed it.

Also, two mentions of prior continuity other than the ending, I see Moffat pays attention.

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That the sonic screwdriver doesn't work on wood, and that a lady tree had a bit of a thing for him, right back to The End of the World.

Also one of the Doctor's finest one-liners yet.
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Having been asked what to do, "Do what I do, hold on and make it look like it's part of a plan!"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on December 25th, 2011, 11:04 PM
Thought it was quite lovely, had a few great lines in it... This one comes to mind:
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"Do you know the difference between wind and trees talking to eachother?"

Loved the comic relief halfway and about halfway through, too...
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The Doctor setting up all sorts of things in the old mansion in a very Willy Wonka-like manner made the episode for me, I think. He even set up quantum wi-fi — only to find out there's no internet in the 1940s, of course. Brilliant!

Also, loved the 'forest harvesting team' with Bill Baily & co. Great comic relief, I think.

The ending was a nice and very Christmassy touch as well, I think. So yes, as a Christmas special, this one works well, for me! :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 25th, 2011, 11:31 PM
Yeah, I suppose I was seeing it as a regular episode and not so much a Christmas episode but it works very nicely as a Christmas episode :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on December 26th, 2011, 12:30 AM
"I know!" :D [1]
 1. Had to be said. ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 26th, 2011, 04:46 PM
Quote from Aaron on December 26th, 2011, 12:30 AM
"I know!" :D [1]
 1. Had to be said. ;)
Haha, he quite say that a couple times.

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"Because every time you see them happy, you remember how sad they're going to be, and it breaks your heart. Because what's the point in them being happy now if they're going to be sad later? The answer is, of course...because they are going to be sad later."
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 26th, 2011, 04:55 PM
In a way that quote is the reason for Christmas being the way it is for kids, I guess...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 26th, 2011, 05:30 PM
If I'm gonna be honest, 2010 Christmas Special is hard to beat, I really enjoyed A Christmas Carol.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 30th, 2011, 05:10 PM
Gonna use this to troll elsewhere.  :niark:

http://flickr.com/gp/dismalshadow/88jg34
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 2nd, 2012, 08:19 PM
Just brought iPhone 4 skin.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/88995220/apple-iphone-4-4s-decal-skin-cover?ref=sr_gallery_3&ga_search_submit&ga_search_query=Tardis+iphone+4&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=US&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_facet=handmade
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 2nd, 2012, 08:56 PM
I don't think anyone mentioned it in here... Apparently, the Beebs added a few mini-sodes of Dr Who to the DVD release.
It's called "Night and the Doctor" and it's 5 episodes totaling 16 minutes. They're all set within the Tardis, except for the last which is a 2-minute "comical introduction" to the Cybermen episode from series 6, without the Doctor. Episode 1 has TD, Amy and Rory. It's not very funny/good. Episode 2 has TD and Amy, not very funny but it has a touching ending. Episode 3 and 4 have TD and River Song. They're a bit funnier, but mostly episode 4 is the best, if only because it mentions THE thing that Pete was always worried about. Moffat never forgets continuity, good! Also the origin for the word "Spoilers"... Fan service :P

Oh, and no one mentioned either that Sherlock 2x01 was broadcast yesterday.. I started watching it, it's pretty good as can be expected.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 6th, 2012, 07:23 PM
Need to watch that then, I have S6 on DVD but not found the time in the last month or so to actually watch it...

Sherlock 2x01 was very good, despite the Guardian writing a fluff piece about how it's very "sexist" now.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 6th, 2012, 09:26 PM
Because Irene is a dominatrix...?
I haven't actually seen it -- well, I've seen the first 20 minutes but it seems like my girlfriend always has 'something else to do' so these days I'm focusing on other shows... Mongrels (great puppets), Steins;Gate (reminds me a bit of Primer but with more jokes...), A bit of Fry & Laurie, QI (only 8 episodes left to watch so I'll be doing it less franticly...), and Bakemonogatari. Should be enough to keep me occupied ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 6th, 2012, 11:38 PM
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Because Irene is a dominatrix...?
No, more the way Sherlock beats her in the end and the power play that goes on.

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Essentially, the fact that she's ultimately a lackey for Moriarty, and that in the end she loses by Sherlock figuring out the truth about her affection for me. And that, ultimately, he rescues her at the end.

I'm in a funny position right now, I have a bunch of DVDs but my system is messing about to the point where I can't properly eject my DVD drive on my PC because there seems to be insufficient power to the tray stepper motor to open the tray out. Mind you, I'm thinking about upgrading my PC sometime this year, and will build a serious rig that will last me a while instead of continually refitting bits (my mobo will be 5 in April)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 7th, 2012, 05:36 PM
I've come to the conclusion that River died in the Forest of the Dead...her future version in the past.
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Because she knew his name whereas in "The Wedding of River Song" The Doctor told her his real name.
That being said that event in the Forest of the Dead is ahead in her timeline after The Wedding...this is where she actually die. I'm trying to understand why she came back to the past just to save The Doctor in the end because she knew he would die and cease to exist in the future somehow. She had the book with her at the time where the Doctor gave her in the future. He knew his fate and he somehow cheated, didn't he? He send River Song whatever was said in the book.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 7th, 2012, 05:51 PM
Re spoiler... no he didn't. They *both* lied. What he told her was not his real name. TWoRS actually shows you what he said.
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I've come to the conclusion that River died in the Forest of the Dead...her future version in the past.
Yes, that's the case - it's the first time he meets her, and the last time she sees him. But the point where he tells her his name, the one time he could - we haven't seen that yet. We haven't seen their first meeting (from her POV) at the towers of Darillium, where he gives her his screwdriver.
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I'm trying to understand why she came back to the past just to save The Doctor in the end because she knew he would die and cease to exist in the future somehow.
Because she didn't go back to the past. Her timeline is continuous - forwards. After she travels to the 51st Century and becomes a doctor, she goes to Stormcage for the 'murder' of the Doctor. She eventually receives a pardon, because by the time of FotD, she's no longer working 'to earn a pardon', she's essentially free, but doing this job as a job. From her timeline POV, Season 6 (except the epilogue of TWoRS) happens first (in the correct order, once we get past TIA and DotM), then the events in series 5 (Pandorica first, then the Time of Angels), then FotD.

The point where he shows up at the towers of Darillium, on her 'doorstep, with a new suit, and knew everything about me', that's when she first meets him from her POV, and that hasn't happened yet. (From the Doctor's POV, it must happen at any point from here on in, and from our POV, it'll be the last time we see her.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 8th, 2012, 03:51 PM
At least she was still alive but part of me think she's trapped in dream-like parallel world where Donna was...
Does River knows where she is at?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 8th, 2012, 04:01 PM
She's inside the library computer, where the other 4022 were (and where Donna was), it's not a dream or parallel world. But it's not clear exactly how much was saved, and theoretically it's possible she could be resurrected since according to the 'rules' of the library and saving people there, there's little reason why her and the entire crew couldn't be resurrected since they all appear to be saved inside the computer. That said, we're supposed to understand that she is dead, but you know as well as I do that everybody lies!

As for whether she knows where she is, yes, she does. CAL told her, right at the end, as she emerges into the datacore world.
Posted: January 8th, 2012, 04:00 PM

In other news, http://fandom.memebase.com/2012/01/05/fanart-cosplay-you-cant-fool-me-daleks/?fb_ref=newpromocopy
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 8th, 2012, 07:47 PM
DS, I think you need to read a Song timeline because it's easy to get it wrong ;)

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/River_Song

(Oh, and to anyone who hasn't seen "Night and the Doctor" yet -- there's a spoiler in this article, so don't read it!!)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 8th, 2012, 11:20 PM
In other news, I watched Sherlock 2x02 tonight. This one's written by Mark Gatiss and it shows, because while it's very good, it just wasn't up to the standard of 2x01's writing.

It's an interesting take on Hound of the Baskervilles, though sadly I figured out who it was and what was going on long before Sherlock did - even though it's sufficiently different to the original that you can't just blame the person of the same name who turns up. I didn't figure out the entirety of the backstory as to how it all pieced together, but I got who, how and why, which I'm satisfied with.


I *really* need to watch Night and the Doctor, but I will also have to keep switching back to my Mac to do so at present because my PC sucks.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 8th, 2012, 11:30 PM
I'm not surprised. Well, the episode is not available online yet, so I'm waiting, but I'm not surprised that it's not as good as the first one. I watched the Moffat episode 3 times last year. Watched the other two only once...
Although Gatiss had definitely a good episode last time. So I'm still looking forward to watching it... I just regret Moffat doesn't write the LAST episode, too. It feels like a bit of a let down to know you're starting with the best ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 9th, 2012, 05:06 PM
I've already mentioned twice I was watching that anime called "Steins;Gate"...
Well, I just finished, and I only have one thing to say: if you don't hate anime and you love time travel shows, this doesn't get any better! The concept itself is pretty great (and heartbreaking): a 'mad scientist' finds a way to sends text messages to the past, and uses it to improve the life of the people around him. Until the day... (That's halfway through the show, so I feel compelled to add a spoiler tag)...
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...he realizes that his changes have made him move to a parallel world that's going to hell. So he has to un-do everything good he did, little by little. Just wow.

It's pretty predictable in areas (the identify of a certain time traveler was easy to guess because of multiple hints, among other things), but also greatly enjoyable in that most of the events are totally logical and there are very few plot holes (it does have a few, unfortunately, but considering it's a 24-episode show with heavy time travel, it's a miracle there are so few), all in all the story is full of surprises.

And the final episode, well... Let's just say that Steins;Gate has something in common with Steven Moffat's Doctor Who!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 9th, 2012, 05:10 PM
I know what I'll be watching out for...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 9th, 2012, 07:08 PM
Find the torrent by Steins Team. Translation was pretty accurate.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 9th, 2012, 11:40 PM
Why is this topic private...?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 9th, 2012, 11:53 PM
Because it discusses downloading something illegally... :whistle:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 9th, 2012, 11:54 PM
Quote from Nao on January 9th, 2012, 11:53 PM
Because it discusses downloading something illegally... :whistle:
It does? In your latest post...yeah. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 10th, 2012, 12:01 AM
Also in the first few...?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 10th, 2012, 12:13 AM
And it long since predates the public area.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 10th, 2012, 09:03 AM
But I would have moved it otherwise.

Anyway there are enough Friends to discuss it. I'm sure having the topic public wouldn't change anything.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 12th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue.

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:)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on January 13th, 2012, 06:18 AM
Really cool cover!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 15th, 2012, 08:31 PM
Quote from Lurker on January 7th, 2012, 05:51 PM
Re spoiler... no he didn't. They *both* lied. What he told her was not his real name. TWoRS actually shows you what he said.
Stupid me, I forget about that, found that in the ending scene.
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Yes, that's the case - it's the first time he meets her, and the last time she sees him. But the point where he tells her his name, the one time he could - we haven't seen that yet. We haven't seen their first meeting (from her POV) at the towers of Darillium, where he gives her his screwdriver.
That wasn't the first time they met was it, from her POV? She had the screwdriver in the Forest of the Dead/Silence in the Library, but she didn't have it on the Byzantium. So the screwdriver exchange had to happen between those events from her POV. And she becomes River Song in Let's Kill Hitler, which we have seen.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 15th, 2012, 09:41 PM
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That wasn't the first time they met was it, from her POV?
Hrm, it seems there's a slight bit of discontinuity (either that or my memory's failing), I always thought that the first thing they did was go to the towers of Darillium, at least that's how I remember it being implied in FotD.

Though, if I'm honest, everything in season 6 undermines the whole statement River makes in FotD about the way she first meets him (him turning up on her doorstep, knowing everything about her) because it's very clear she knows who he is before that happens, as though she's always known.

If anything, I'd argue that FotD is the incongruity.
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She had the screwdriver in the Forest of the Dead/Silence in the Library, but she didn't have it on the Byzantium.
Summing up her timeline as it must stand right now (assuming I'm remembering it all correctly)
* Melody Pond is born in the 51st Century under the watch of the Silents
* Melody is sent back to 20th/21st Century Earth to find the Doctor, but for whatever reason is injured and regenerates for the first time after speaking to the President.[1]
* Melody then ends up in Ledworth with Amy and Rory and grows up as their 'best' friend.
* She goes back with them to 1938 in the attempt to kill Hitler.
* At this point, she regenerates multiple times in saving the Doctor's life.
* The Doctor and gang drop her off on New New Earth in the 51st Century, unconscious, and tell the nurse that she is 'River Song', and leave her the diary.
* River Song becomes a doctor.
* River Song kills the Doctor (twice, once in each timeline) and goes to Stormcage.
* The Pandorica opens, universe reboots.
* The Byzantium.
* She visits Amy and Rory to tell them that the Doctor isn't dead.
* At some point she is presumably pardoned because she's not visiting the Library as a prisoner, and she is now a Professor, not a Doctor.
* They visit the Library and she dies.


Her actions in Impossible Astronaut suggest that it's later in her timeline but presumably it's early enough that she hasn't been to the Pandorica yet.

/meis confused, it's almost as complicated as the Zelda timeline.
 1. This part is still not entirely clear, after watching it more than once.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 15th, 2012, 10:37 PM
Watch Night 3 & 4, it's less than 10 minutes. You'll get your answer for the towers of Darilium. Then read through the timeline I posted :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 15th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Quote from Nao on January 15th, 2012, 10:37 PM
Watch Night 3 & 4, it's less than 10 minutes. You'll get your answer for the towers of Darilium. Then read through the timeline I posted :)
Already did, Last Night did gave out a few hints...but stopped at "Spolier" Damn it. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 15th, 2012, 11:20 PM
I was talking to Pete, since he mentioned he hadn't had time to watch it so far ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 15th, 2012, 11:54 PM
Ah, but I have since watched it and have duly noted the correction to timeline; Darillium is still the last time River meets the Doctor before FotD, but it definitely isn't the first time they met, meaning that FotD explains it wrong. Or River lies.

In other Moffaty news, Sherlock 2x03.

Considering it's not a Moffat story, there are Moffaty overtones.

On the plot...
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It's a bit weaksauce in places. Whereas in the earlier stories, it's been pivotal to everything (that all the events are part of the plot & character development all in one, the plot is basically a vehicle for pushing Moriaty and Holmes together like two titans clashing.

The mid point with the alternate identity... threw me for a loop but it was also the weakest point for me. It's almost as though it was needed for the characters to believe in the whole Holmes-fraud thing, rather than the viewer to get the dramatic irony. A touch overdone but still well presented. The actor who plays Moriarty does it so brilliantly at that point.

On the final confrontation/ending...
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Three things about the final confrontation that occur. Firstly, if ever there were any point to demonstrating Cumberbatch's skill at how well he'd be the Doctor, this is it. The showdown and the way he does it... bravo.

Secondly, for not being a Moffat story, it felt like a Moffat ending, in particular the whole 'got too big for his boots' theme that's also in Wedding of River Song struck home for me.

Lastly, while we have to wait for 3x01 to see how the fuck he got out of that one, it was obvious that he was going to, and after watching it, I'm still not sure just how far ahead of Moriarty he actually was, though you're meant to think he's figured *everything* out. He was obviously prepared to jump, but the fact that he jumped without obviously clearing his name... as far as we know? Seemed a leap too far. Holmes is the sort of person I'd have expected to have been recording the entire conversation with Moriarty, even broadcasting it to Lestrade & co, but it seems he didn't. I'm also getting a sense of 'Sherlock lies', much as the Doctor lies >_<, much of the 'too big for his boots' thing again... because you just know that next time, he's going to come back, clear his name and all will be well with the world again.

Other thoughts...
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Also, in the graveside scene, when Watson is shown reflected in the headstone, I was expecting Holmes to stride up behind him etc. because that's the sort of thing Moffat would have done (if only because it's the sort of thing the Doctor does, bah!) and it makes for great tension, but of course he's laying lower than that.

In a way I'd almost have preferred the way Conan Doyle did it originally to have been done here - that he's actually dead and that 3x01 reveals he isn't, rather than the reveal being done here. Though it wasn't as blatant (or, to be fair, amusing) as it was done in A Game of Shadows.

All in all, a very well done episode, weaker in the middle, but IMO better than Baskerville last week. Also note Gatiss' performance here is more human as Mycroft than we normally see of him, it's quite nice in a way.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 17th, 2012, 09:42 AM
Okay, watched the episode last night... (Followed with the Once upon a time reprise... It's astounding how bad it fares in comparison. I know I've always seen this as a guilty pleasure, but it really sucks hard storywise, which is a bit sad for a show that takes place in 'Storybrooke'...)

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Yeah, it had a Moffat overtone (quite obviously, even though he didn't write the episode's script, he had his hand on the global story), and made me think of Dr Who but oddly, I'd say that this year's Who was actually inspired by Holmes... In the original Final Problem story, Holmes dies for good, and when Doyle wrote The Empty House, he explained that Holmes had to go into hiding to avoid being spotted by Moriarty's henchmen. So, basically, it's the same as the Doctor faking his own death and then basically acknowledging his death to avoid getting tracked down by the Silence and things like that -- among other reasons. So it's the same here. Holmes faked his death to ensure safety for his friends. He will then track down the hitmen himself, get rid of them, and come back next year. As for how he did it... Well, we never saw Moriarty's body after he died, did we? Maybe he dropped his body... As for how he managed to make him look the same... I have no idea. Or maybe Holmes had an evil twin brother than he used the opportunity to get rid of... :P
I'm more surprised, actually, by the level of madness that Moriarty showed. That he's prepared to kill himself just to 'win' this confrontation is a tad unbelievable. The actor was pretty excellent, like last year.

I didn't get the whole thing with Molly... The last scene with her, where she's scared of his showing up like that.

I have yet to see A game of Shadows, so no thanks for the spoiler... :niark:

It's a bit sad that we now have to wait at least a full year for the follow-up... To think that we'll see Watson as Bilbo BEFORE that... ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 17th, 2012, 10:41 AM
Once it was announced (rather publicly) that A Game of Shadows featured Moriarty in an active role, it was not surprising that the final scenes would be the battle over the falls. And, given that it's Hollywoodised, would you really expect anything less? Though, to be fair, it is done very amusingly. (Heck, I'll be buying the DVD when it comes out.)

Re spoiler: you're probably right, just hadn't occurred to me like that.

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I'm more surprised, actually, by the level of madness that Moriarty showed. That he's prepared to kill himself just to 'win' this confrontation is a tad unbelievable. The actor was pretty excellent, like last year.
I'm not, really. Moriarty expressed that he did what he did because it was all a big game, and once he'd beaten Sherlock, what else was there for him to do? When you're at that level of intellect, you're already half way on the train to crazy town anyway... so hardly surprising that he'd be like that.

Mind you, after the first confrontation in 1x03 it wasn't really surprising that he'd be cuckoo, I mean...

Sherlock: People have died.
Moriarty: That's what people DO! (you can already see he's a bit unhinged in how this comes out)

Moriarty: Sorry... I'm just a bit... changeable!

Sherlock: Catch... you... later.
Moriarty: ... no you won't!


That, and when he's sat in the chair in Baker Street, and espousing how every fairytale needs a good villain, that cheeky little grin he makes is one that bad novelists will insist is 'dancing with insanity'.

So yeah, the insanity aspect is set up long before he pulls that trigger - and remember, in his mind, he's beaten  the only man that could have stopped him, and he's not merely beaten him... to him, he has done precisely what he promised he'd do: he's burned Sherlock, the very heart out of him by unravelling everything he stood for.

This is what good TV drama is about. It gets you pumped as you watch it unfold. DW and Sherlock are the only two dramas I've seen in a while where I've not only become emotionally invested in the characters and spent time picking away at it.

I haven't done that in CSI or NCIS or anything else I've watched in a long time, at least nothing comes to mind where I've done that.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 17th, 2012, 11:11 AM
Quote from Arantor on January 17th, 2012, 10:41 AM
Once it was announced (rather publicly) that A Game of Shadows featured Moriarty in an active role, it was not surprising that the final scenes would be the battle over the falls.
Well, technically, no, I'm not used to associating Moriarty with Reichenbach... My first contacts with the Moriarty character were Young Sherlock Holmes (okay, he's only post-credits... but no Reichenbach), and Sherlock Hound -- the 1984 anime show partly directed by Hayao Miyazaki, that was pretty fun and had Moriarty in every single episode as an adorable bigger-than-life villain. No Reichenbach either. I actually first saw the Reichenbach story in the 1984 Granada show which I discovered only a couple of years ago -- and was thrilled with. (And even then -- I only watched Holmes because I loved the Poirot show. Go figure...)

So, no, it's not automatically associated in my mind. Of course, *now* I know that Moriarty ONLY shows up in The Final Problem in the original Doyle works - he's mentioned in other stories, but only that.
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And, given that it's Hollywoodised, would you really expect anything less?
Sounds cool to me, still :P
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Though, to be fair, it is done very amusingly. (Heck, I'll be buying the DVD when it comes out.)
I missed the movie when it came out in theaters. Well, it's probably still in some theaters, but I have other priorities than going to the movies anyway...
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This is what good TV drama is about. It gets you pumped as you watch it unfold. DW and Sherlock are the only two dramas I've seen in a while where I've not only become emotionally invested in the characters and spent time picking away at it.
It sure is justified!

Oh -- and I think the Richard Brook story was not meant for the viewer (unless suddenly Moffat decided to go for the easy hollywood-type twists?!), I think it was there to plant the seed of doubt into Watson. I'm actually not convinced Moriarty managed to change his identity -- I mean, he does say at the end that there's no such key as the computer code, so he couldn't have done it 'easily'... I think he only cooked up that file with his photographs. A decent amount of photoshopping and with the help of his henchwoman (who, I'm pretty sure, didn't do the photoshopping herself, considering her computer skills in the IT Crowd :P), he managed to pull out a satisfying game in her house.
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I haven't done that in CSI or NCIS or anything else I've watched in a long time, at least nothing comes to mind where I've done that.
Homeland...? That was a pretty smart show.
And Steins;Gate, by far, but I've already mentioned it too much :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 17th, 2012, 11:53 AM
Ah, see, I'd read all the stories long before I saw any adaptations onto the big or small screen, so the Falls association made sense to me perfectly.
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Sounds cool to me, still
Oh, it is. The way the ending is played out is awesome, in particular, but the whole thing works pretty well. It's also curious to actually observe the way the two different writers explore facets of what is essentially the same character in two very different - but somehow oddly familiar - settings.
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Oh -- and I think the Richard Brook story was not meant for the viewer (unless suddenly Moffat decided to go for the easy hollywood-type twists?!), I think it was there to plant the seed of doubt into Watson.
It wasn't meant for the viewer at all, it was meant for the characters and their universe. It wasn't just about putting a seed of doubt into Watson (who, by the close, in his own mind doesn't have any doubts at all, he KNOWS what he saw, and even before that when he confronts Mycroft over it, you know at that point, he doesn't have any real doubt), but it was about undermining Sherlock in everyone else. It is a credible backstory in the confines of their universe as to how Sherlock could theoretically have stage managed it.

You see, for Moriarty to just come out with 'Sherlock managed it' doesn't stand up for a moment, but it would stand up if 'Moriarty' were a piece of fiction that could conceivably have been created in the context of the 'Sherlock managed it' scenario.

The only issue I had with it is that Watson and Mycroft both know the truth but have no way to clear Sherlock's name. There are ways that the government can intervene on such things, and have done.

With the dossier... he certainly cooked that up, but not with her help; it was after all part of the game to manipulate her too, and that's exactly what he did. But given how he managed to get into the places he did, I'm fairly certain that he would have the ability to create a new identity for himself should he wish to. The thing is, his ego wouldn't allow him to go too far in sustaining such an alternate identity (remember, when he was working in the hospital, he was *Jim* from IT, not any other name)

Though there wasn't nearly enough paperwork there to imply a true second identity, no bills, no birth certificate etc. though I have no doubt Moriarty could have produced them when needed.
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Homeland...? That was a pretty smart show.
And Steins;Gate, by far, but I've already mentioned it too much
Hahah, though I've not seen Homeland either. Mind you, I find that as much as I like engaging drama (and there's not enough of it), I do like less brain-aching TV... just before Christmas I'd gotten into watching reruns of Angel (the BtVS spinoff) though due to the Christmas break I managed to miss half a season and promptly gave up trying to figure out what was going on, so I'll just grab that on DVD sometime and rewatch it that way.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 17th, 2012, 02:49 PM
 http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/60797-moffat-and-myles-tease-doctor-who-plot-point

If Myles does returns, it'd be interesting to how the story goes and how it ties in their timestream from the Girl in the Fireplace.
I'm guessing he'd go back into her timeline & remove her, perhaps thru the fireplace. He had promised to 'show her the stars' - and he always keeps his promises!

She'd then be his companion, returning to her own time at some future point.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 17th, 2012, 05:53 PM
It could be Moffat goofing off, but it's also possible that it's something devious like a relative, not necessarily the obvious. Certainly the amount of attention Myles is getting would indicate she's going to be part of *something*.

It also wouldn't be the first in Who history for a character to have been played by an actor then the same actor goes on to be a different, more major character... Lalla Ward (Romana II) was a character in the previous season, heck even Colin Baker (Six) had been a minor character in one of Five's stories.

This also need not be an old-school thing... Freema Agyeman (Martha Jones) was also in season 2's two part finale, where she is working at Torchwood One in London, and is killed just before the Battle of Canary Wharf begins. It was subsequently subsumed into her character's background when Martha was written that her previous part was a cousin (to explain the "similar face" aspect)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 21st, 2012, 09:42 PM
Recapping some episodes for hints/clues and found one...What's actually in room number 11 in "The God Complex"? Doctor's worst fear?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 21st, 2012, 10:50 PM
It's deliberately ambiguous but I always thought it was the Doctor himself in there, much as the whole Dream Lord thing - "only one person hates me that much"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 21st, 2012, 11:20 PM
Quote from Arantor on January 21st, 2012, 10:50 PM
It's deliberately ambiguous but I always thought it was the Doctor himself in there, much as the whole Dream Lord thing - "only one person hates me that much"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 21st, 2012, 11:27 PM
Ah, see, it's very ambiguous.

Now for the extra thing... anyone else remember Trial of a Time Lord? In particular, who the Valeyard is?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 29th, 2012, 03:58 PM
Saw Torchwoood 'til Children of Earth, was hoping to see the Doctor at the end of the episode when Gwen mentions him but no. Nonetheless it was okay.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 29th, 2012, 04:50 PM
Well just for reference, the ending of DW season 3 with Utopia and the Last of the Time Lords happens just after the end of TW season 1 (you see Jack running off because he hears the TARDIS sound) and Journey's End happens sometime after the end of TW season 2 but before CoE happens because it happens in the Hub but Tosh and Owen aren't present.

Actually Gwen's mention of him is actually to explain why he doesn't turn up despite a major alien threat - because RTD feels it is inappropriate to bring the Doctor into TW though has fewer issues with going the other way. Hopefully we'll see Captain Jack and Gwen (and maybe Ianto? The Doctor can work miracles after all!) in season 7 or 8 as part of the run-up to the 50th anniversary.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 29th, 2012, 05:10 PM
Yes I knew about Jack's appreance in DW. The Doctor not showing up in this major threat is because I've been told he's somewhere in WoM in his timeline.

Despite season 7-8, how can it be tied to TW spin-off now in this 50 anniversary? Wishful thinking but never say never, never know what RTD have up his sleeve :p
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 29th, 2012, 06:06 PM
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The Doctor not showing up in this major threat is because I've been told he's somewhere in WoM in his timeline.
Well, the official reason is that it wasn't appropriate for the Doctor to visit TW generally, because Torchwood is not within the typical DW viewer demographic (RTD doesn't want kids wanting to watch Torchwood, basically)

Even if he is in the middle of Waters of Mars in his timeline, WoM is essentially something that is a ~1 day event from his perspective, ~2 days at most, while CoE is a 5 day event, and he never shows up at any point during those 5 days.

More interestingly, he doesn't visit Earth during the events of Miracle Day, which is a shade longer than 5 days - but I suppose in his timeline that would have been during the years days leading up to Lake Silencio and saving the Earth wasn't hit prime concern.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 29th, 2012, 06:08 PM
Quote from Arantor on January 29th, 2012, 04:50 PM
(and maybe Ianto? The Doctor can work miracles after all!)
Well, I'd rather see the complete team circa series 2... :P
But the Doctor rarely, if ever, jumps back to an earlier point in time to 'revisit' events from a previous season.

Hmm, makes me think of something. Time for a little game.
I was watching something these last couple of days, and heard that funny quote -- "For someone who can travel across time and space, The Doctor sure is fascinated with modern London."

Only, I have no idea WHERE it was. Possibly in A Bit of Fry & Laurie, or Kingdom (yeah, now that I'm done with QI, I'm playing catch up with Stephen Fry's other things!), or maybe me rewatching the Night & The Doctor episodes 3 & 4...
Anyone? I can only find one occurrence on Google and it credits it to Amy, but I only re-watched the River Song episodes and Amy isn't in them... And it was definitely this weekend.

BTW, Kingdom has a bartender called Ted. He's played by Tom Fisher, from "The Nine Lives of Tomas Katz". I was in awe. One of my favourite movies! The show even has a couple of guests from QI, such as the Danish woman whose name escapes me, in the crop circle episode. (The same episode has a Tom Baker lookalike in a full 4th Doctor outfit.)

(Okay I'm done.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 29th, 2012, 07:20 PM
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Well, I'd rather see the complete team circa series 2...
Oh god no. Tosh had little charisma or personality except on three occasions (total): where she had the mind-reading necklace, where she was 'dating' the WWI guy and occasional glimpses of such after Owen died and was resurrected. Other than that, she didn't really bring that much to it, IMO.

As for Owen, I appreciate his sarcasm as much as anyone but other than a few moments where he demonstrates some personality, it's mostly irrelevant. The moments I'm thinking about are the episode with the folks from 1953 in the plane, the episode where he goes into a cage with a Weevil[1]... Christ, he got more charisma when he was resurrected. He's a good actor but the scripts didn't give him that much to work with IMO.

I've heard the quote too, fairly sure it wasn't Amy, but now I'm going to have to start rewatching stuff to find it!
 1. Which, considering the episode was written by Noel Clarke, aka MICKEY SMITH! was rather a good episode.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 29th, 2012, 09:03 PM
- I just love Owen. After his resurrection yeah. He did it for me. It clicked. It felt like home somehow. Plus he's got the same kind of voice as the Comus lead singer. Priceless.

- I remember, I think! Latest Big Bang Theory! I think Penny said that!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 29th, 2012, 09:20 PM
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- I remember, I think! Latest Big Bang Theory! I think Penny said that!
Considering the single solitary result on Google mentioned BBT it seems likely. But I've only ever seen one episode of BBT, found it immensely irritating and yet I don't recognise the quote from there - but I swear I've heard it elsewhere beforehand. However, according to Wikipedia, there is a character named Amy in it, so could that be the source of the quote?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 29th, 2012, 10:23 PM
Silly me. I forgot Amy is Sheldon's girlfriend. Yes she was the one who said. I automatically assumed it was Amy from Who!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on January 29th, 2012, 10:24 PM
I wondered the same thing when I read it here today. It confused me at first, because I don't watch The Big Bang Theory. Then it occurred to me ... I had seen the clip over at Blogtor Who(http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2012/01/doctor-who-on-big-bang-theory.html). :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 30th, 2012, 01:54 AM
But I've never seen the clip before, let alone the show, so how the hell do I remember it?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 30th, 2012, 08:05 AM
Because you thought it yourself maybe? ;)
I thought it too -- just never put it in writing.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 30th, 2012, 01:21 PM
No, it was that exact line, in a female voice.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 30th, 2012, 01:38 PM
Then you must be watching TBBT in your sleep ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 30th, 2012, 02:10 PM
I dunno, the one time I saw it I wasn't even at home (but at parents-in-law) and I won't watch it again, it just isn't funny.

(American comedy as a general rule does not understand the finer points of irony, sarcasm, or satire in general. That's why I suspect most British comedies are so popular over in the US, is because they *do* understand these things and it makes them 10x funnier than anything normally put out by the US.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 30th, 2012, 03:24 PM
I don't know, although I prefer The IT Crowd over TBBT (because it has such timeless episodes as the Countdown one), I can't say I've never been laughing out loud at TBBT... Plus they have time to develop the characters. And seasons 4 and 5 give more screen time to the girls -- Penny and the two nerds, Amy and Bernadette. They're quite funny, too.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 30th, 2012, 04:18 PM
Another show I don't want >_<

I'm quite hard to please in terms of comedy, e.g. over Christmas I got the Black Books DVDs, but I didn't find it as funny as I thought I might, even with Bill Bailey as one of the core characters.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on January 30th, 2012, 04:30 PM
What...? You mean that even the British don't understand the finer points of irony, sarcasm, or satire in general? :lol:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on January 30th, 2012, 04:32 PM
Even the British can understand but fail to apply them :D Just that we at least invariably make an attempt to do so in every comedy show we make... I have yet to see a US show that can claim the same.

Except maybe House, though that isn't a comedy it at least understands irony, sarcasm and satire. Probably because of Hugh Laurie.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on February 5th, 2012, 12:26 PM
In #Sherlock ...

Sherlock - The Scottish Falsetto Sock Puppet Theatre(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4EUUYmq3Eg#ws)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on February 5th, 2012, 02:57 PM
Hahahahahhahaahahahahaha

It wasn't just me that felt there were similarities then... :whistle:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on February 5th, 2012, 06:08 PM
So. Apart from the obvious pseudo deaths, he's saying that River is The Woman and Moriarty is The Master?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on February 5th, 2012, 07:08 PM
I think that's a pretty fair assessment, yes...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on February 8th, 2012, 06:42 PM
Portlandia 2x02 (not a good show, but I've only seen THAT episode) has a storyline about characters getting hooked on BS Galactica (sounds familiar :)), and trying to write a new episode... The last lines of the episode mention Doctor Who in a funny way. Just have a look if you're curious ;) Plus, it has nice guests like Adama, Gaius and Ron D. Moore himself (in two versions, if I may say.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on February 16th, 2012, 05:24 AM
http://www.combom.co.uk/2012/02/new-doctor-who-assistant-announced.html?m=1

Yes please :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on February 17th, 2012, 08:53 PM
An interesting interview with Karen Gillian.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/121/1218789p1.html
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on March 21st, 2012, 07:49 AM
http://www.hypable.com/2012/03/20/new-doctor-who-companion-to-be-revealed-tomorrow/

My bet is on Sophia Myles. Figures crossed
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on March 21st, 2012, 11:16 AM
She's certainly been rumoured to be involved, and her last Who outing was a Moffat episode... and she's also mentioned on Twitter that she might be involved...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 21st, 2012, 12:05 PM
We'll see tomorrow. I think it's her, too.
Would have preferred a man though... For a change? Even if not for a long time.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on March 21st, 2012, 12:13 PM
Won't happen, New Who adds a definite 'slight love interest' angle that Old Who never did. You never really saw any of Old Who's Doctor incarnations actively referring to his companions as 'best friends', did you?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 21st, 2012, 01:16 PM
Jenna Louise Coleman. Meh.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on March 21st, 2012, 01:22 PM
Interesting choice, very interesting. Will be curious to see where they take her off to.

There is something about having relative unknowns in the show, as opposed to returning actors (Karen Gillan did actually turn up in a season 4 episode but you didn't really notice it, for example)

I don't see it as a 'meh', I see it as giving someone the chance to shine who might not otherwise have done so - but will reserve judgement until later in the year.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 21st, 2012, 01:24 PM
Which I read on Noisen.com, oddly enough :P
Confirmed here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17456505

I find her... Fugly, at best. She looks like a high-end hooker. Like she went through surgery...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on March 21st, 2012, 01:26 PM
Well, when you said it, I just went to Google for the name.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doctor-who/9157613/Jenna-Louise-Coleman-to-play-Doctor-Whos-new-sidekick.html - first two pictures look sane enough, the third brings forth the problem you're referring to, and mostly that's bad makeup.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 21st, 2012, 02:13 PM
First picture is Christina Ricci after her surgery. Second picture is human-looking. Third picture has me /facepalming.

Again: meh.
But yeah, I guess she might be a good actress... We'll have to wait and see. It's not like we can change anything to the casting choice.
But I do remember I was more enthusiastic about Karen Gillan when she was cast -- she looked normal, yet cute. And her character ended up being great -- her grumpy side will always make me smile. It's like me with boobs.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on March 21st, 2012, 04:03 PM
Quote from Nao on March 21st, 2012, 01:24 PM
Which I read on Noisen.com, oddly enough :P
Confirmed here:
http://[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17456505[/url]

I find her... Fugly, at best. She looks like a high-end hooker. Like she went through surgery...
I am at a lose. :(
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on March 21st, 2012, 10:39 PM
I really don't understand the pessimism. Aside from a barbie-doll-like photo I saw on SFX Magazine's site, she seems nice enough, really. Certainly not your average blonde actress with the IQ of a goldfish. As the guys over at SFX put it:
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Once again, Tom Baker’s hopes that the Doctor should be accompanied by a talking cabbage have been dashed.
I'll judge her when I've seen an episode or two. Looking forward to the next series, actually. [1]
 1. Yes, I know she won't be in it, yet.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 21st, 2012, 10:43 PM
She should be introduced mid-series, actually.

France4 (French channel) is showing Sherlock season 2 right now. In English with subtitles. Gotta love digital terrestrial tv... :) The Woman. She still rocks so hard.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on March 21st, 2012, 10:44 PM
Better photo, IMO: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/21/new_dr_who_companion/

I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on March 21st, 2012, 10:45 PM
Quote from Nao on March 21st, 2012, 10:43 PM
She should be introduced mid-series, actually.
She won't. Apparently she'll be introduced in the Christmas special, after
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No really, this is a proper spoiler.
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Amy and Rory are killed by the weeping angels in ep 5.
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Better photo, IMO: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/21/new_dr_who_companion/

I'm looking forward to it.
Nice find. As am I!

:edit: FWIW, it looks like spoiler captions of more than one word in length are broken.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on March 21st, 2012, 11:38 PM
Quote from Aaron on March 21st, 2012, 10:45 PM
She won't. Apparently she'll be introduced in the Christmas special, after
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No really, this is a proper spoiler.
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Amy and Rory are killed by the weeping angels in ep 5.
I am going to kill you. :heck:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on March 21st, 2012, 11:52 PM
Quote from Arantor on March 21st, 2012, 10:44 PM
Better photo, IMO: http://[url][url]http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/21/new_dr_who_companion/[/url][/url]

I'm looking forward to it.
I don't know why I am disappointed by this choice. Was really expecting Sophia Myles. :(

The Doctor promised her... :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on March 22nd, 2012, 12:11 AM
Quote from Nathan Sparrow on March 21st, 2012, 11:38 PM
I am going to kill you. :heck:
Well, I did use the spoiler tag. Twice... :bah:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 22nd, 2012, 12:22 AM
@Aaron>

And the Christmas special is going to be the mid-series point...
Episodes 1-6 or 1-7: Fall (over 2 months)
Christmas special (1-7 or 1-8): Christmas day
Episodes 8-14 or 9-14: Winter 2013

Just as announced last year...

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And where is your spoiler coming from...? I doubt it's the truth, at all. Yeah yeah I know, he said 'heartbreaking'... But there are plenty of ways for Moffat to be heartbreaking. Seeing Amy Pond lose her baby was heartbreaking. Nobody died in the process ;)

Re: spoiler captions, hmm... Did you try putting them between double quotes...?
Re: URLs, hey, looks like shortened URLs aren't broken when quoting them...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on March 22nd, 2012, 12:43 AM
Quote from Nao on March 22nd, 2012, 12:22 AM
And the Christmas special is going to be the mid-series point...
Oh I see. Must've missed that.
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And where is your spoiler coming from...?
http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/03/21/doctor-who-new-companion-updates/ (fourth bullet)
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Re: spoiler captions, hmm... Did you try putting them between double quotes...?
Yes, I did. That didn't work either.
Quote from Nao on March 22nd, 2012, 12:22 AM
Re: URLs, hey, looks like shortened URLs aren't broken when quoting them...
I removed the extra bits manually. ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on March 22nd, 2012, 12:48 AM
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Ohhhhh, Weeping Angels is back and they are badder than ever. :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on March 22nd, 2012, 01:01 AM
You know, you might just want to put that in a spoiler tag. Especially considering your post five replies earlier. Kthnx.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on March 22nd, 2012, 01:26 AM
Quote from Aaron on March 22nd, 2012, 01:01 AM
You know, you might just want to put that in a spoiler tag. Especially considering your post five replies earlier. Kthnx.
Duh, my bad, will fix them later. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on March 26th, 2012, 02:32 PM
The spoiler above keeps popping up. I have no doubts as to its validity anymore, really: official Twitter account(https://twitter.co/bbcdoctorwho/status/182420692288016384),  Blogtor Who(http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2012/03/series-7-news-spoilers.html)

Unrelated: for those who haven't seen it yet: The Roar of Our Stars(http://alicexz.deviantart.com/art/The-Roar-of-Our-Stars-292315617) — beautiful fanart by Alice X Zhang.

PS: can someone please fix that spoiler tag in Nathan's post above?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 27th, 2012, 11:28 PM
(I fixed it, didn't I...?)

BTW, the first episode of Titanic, from the author of Downton Abbey, was broadcast a few days ago. It has Jenna something in it. I watched a bit of it... And was absolutely, definitely not thrilled by her. :-/
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on March 27th, 2012, 11:35 PM
So did I, actually. Part of the problem is that her character isn't exactly that taxing to play, i.e. the servant girl with a few moments of having any sense of leadership.

No, I wasn't thrilled either, but it didn't put me off, predominantly because she's playing the part she's given. It's not a part where someone can shine.

Also, Full HD Doctor Who Series 7 Trailer(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLKGePNr61k#ws) :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 27th, 2012, 11:40 PM
Spoiler-free? I mean, if one has read the previous posts in here...?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on March 28th, 2012, 12:24 AM
Yeah, the trailer hardly gives anything away. A teaser, really.

Thanks for adding the spoiler tag, btw.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on April 4th, 2012, 09:50 PM
Anyone who still had doubts in their minds ... look at the new DWM cover! (Not just talking about the young lady, sirs.)

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(http://images.doctorwhonews.net/image.php?pid=5188)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 2nd, 2012, 11:08 AM
Doctor Who Season 7 Preview
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7YGoVyRSik&hd=1

Looks like a war between the Dark Doctor and the Daleks where he finally unleashed his wrath and rage against Daleks once and for all.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 2nd, 2012, 11:26 AM
I think I need a transcript for that trailer... I only get half of what they're saying, thanks to the boom-boom and loud music.

(I edited your post to make the link work. Sorry, forgot that the 'committed' version of Wedge still has this bug... It's fixed in my version but there are too many things to do before I can commit it.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 2nd, 2012, 11:36 AM
They actually don't say a great deal.

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The Doctor gets excited by the fact that there's dinosaurs on an alien spacecraft, he + Amy + Rory end up facing down a very large number of Daleks and they decide not to shoot him, he has a crisis of ego based on how many have died because of his mercy towards his foes, and Amy is going to die.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 2nd, 2012, 11:43 AM
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They actually don't say a great deal.

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The Doctor gets excited by the fact that there's dinosaurs on an alien spacecraft, he + Amy + Rory end up facing down a very large number of Daleks and they decide not to shoot him, he has a crisis of ego based on how many have died because of his mercy towards his foes, and Amy is going to die.
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Don't think Amy will die in the hands...ehhh armor of Daleks. She lives, however her death is cause of another known creature. (pretty much we all know that).

I am kinda pissed that they showed the wallpaper of the Doctor with Amy, kinda ruin the spoiler even in the trailer.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 9th, 2012, 11:27 AM
Quote from Nathan Sparrow on August 2nd, 2012, 11:43 AM
I am kinda pissed that they showed the wallpaper of the Doctor with Amy, kinda ruin the spoiler even in the trailer.
Which simply means it's not a teaser...

I don't know where I read that (or maybe I just imagined it?), but the Amy story had a different end in my mind...

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It said her last foes were the Weeping Angels.

Which says to me, and this is definitely my imagination: it's the ideal way of getting rid of her in an emotional way... She (and probably Rory) will be beaten by them, and transported to an earlier era. The Doctor will then see them as old people. And then she'll say she waited all of her life to see him again. The Girl Who Waited. And then she passes away peacefully in a similar fashion to Blink. The end.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 9th, 2012, 05:50 PM
Quote from Nao on August 9th, 2012, 11:27 AM
Quote from Nathan Sparrow on August 2nd, 2012, 11:43 AM
I am kinda pissed that they showed the wallpaper of the Doctor with Amy, kinda ruin the spoiler even in the trailer.
Which simply means it's not a teaser...

I don't know where I read that (or maybe I just imagined it?), but the Amy story had a different end in my mind...

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It said her last foes were the Weeping Angels.

Which says to me, and this is definitely my imagination: it's the ideal way of getting rid of her in an emotional way... She (and probably Rory) will be beaten by them, and transported to an earlier era. The Doctor will then see them as old people. And then she'll say she waited all of her life to see him again. The Girl Who Waited. And then she passes away peacefully in a similar fashion to Blink. The end.
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If this is true, he would have rewritten time to get Amy back but like Rory, he shouldn't save him in "Cold Blood" but we will see.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: nolsilang on August 9th, 2012, 06:00 PM
This is a noob question, I don't know anything about Dr.Who but I'm interested to watch it. There are several seasons for Dr.Who, any recommendation which season I start?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 9th, 2012, 06:08 PM
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This is a noob question, I don't know anything about Dr.Who but I'm interested to watch it. There are several seasons for Dr.Who, any recommendation which season I start?

Cheers.
Start with the 2005 reboot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(series_1)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: nolsilang on August 9th, 2012, 06:16 PM
Quote from Nathan Sparrow on August 9th, 2012, 06:08 PM
Start with the 2005 reboot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_(series_1)
Okay, Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on August 9th, 2012, 09:40 PM
start with Doctor #3 (John Pertwee) and watch through doctor #5 (Peter Davidson)
those are the classics.
Doctors 2 and 6-8 were water, IMO...

Doctors 9 (reboot, Christopher Eckelston) 10 (David Tennant) and 11 (Matt Smith) are all awesome!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 10th, 2012, 09:44 AM
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If this is true, he would have rewritten time to get Amy back but like Rory, he shouldn't save him in "Cold Blood" but we will see.
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AFAIK, the Doctor can't rewrite time if it has already happened to him or something like that... There's a matter of stability at play. He mentioned that in some episode in the past.
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Quote from Kindred on August 9th, 2012, 09:40 PM
start with Doctor #3 (John Pertwee) and watch through doctor #5 (Peter Davidson)
those are the classics.
Doctors 2 and 6-8 were water, IMO...

Doctors 9 (reboot, Christopher Eckelston) 10 (David Tennant) and 11 (Matt Smith) are all awesome!
The old series are good if you have no issues with bad SFX and cardboard settings...
I probably would never have got into Dr Who if it wasn't for the revival.
Even then -- the first series of the revival is quite ridiculous at times. They did a lot of work in series 3 and later to fix that. At that point it even became a little bit too serious, but OTOH it was simply thrilling... The best episodes are in series 3 to 6.

I'll just give my sincere opinion based on a real life example: the absolute best entry point into Dr Who is the series 3 episode, "Blink". Because (1) it's one of the best in the entire show, and gives you a real feel of what it can achieve, and (2) the episode is told from the POV of a new, unique character we only see in that particular episode, so there are no loose ties, and she discovers the Doctor as an enigmatic entity that she'll never forget.
I actually showed that episode to a friend who didn't know a thing about the Doctor. Two weeks later, he told me he'd watched the entire show (series 1-4 at the time.) And was addicted, of course. Heck, at that point he knew the show better than I did... (Which isn't surprising. I tend to forget storylines are I've watched them.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 10th, 2012, 03:02 PM
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AFAIK, the Doctor can't rewrite time if it has already happened to him or something like that... There's a matter of stability at play. He mentioned that in some episode in the past.
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Never mind that on at least three occasions this exact thing has happened, though all of those were Old Who. It's one of the things that has been laid down in the show bible since RTD took it back: the notion of fixed points in time, where what happened must always have happened and must always happen.

There are three episodes that have served to dictate the rules around fixed points in time:
Father's Day - revisiting an event that happened in the past, 18 or so years earlier. The death of Pete Tyler is essentially a fixed event in time and undoing that from happening caused the Reavers to turn up to heal the wound to Time, and Pete does sacrifice himself to do that - however the details of the event are changed slightly by Rose's presence, because her mother then remembers seeing Rose at the end. But the substance of the event doesn't change. (I'd note that both Old Who and New Who, cf. Old Who's The Visitation which caused the fire in London in 1666, New Who's visit to Pompeii)

The Waters of Mars - the death of Adelaide Brooke is a fixed point in time, but when the Doctor tries to change it - because he is the 'Time Lord Victorious', with the rules of Time obeying him, or so he thinks, he changes the fact that Adelaide dies on Mars and brings her back to Earth - but she realises what must happen, that it is her death that triggers the events that are to come and she resolves the matter by taking her own life. The moral of the story is that if you change the laws of time, they may well turn the tables anyway.

The Wedding of River Song - when you have a fixed event that must always happen, and it must happen to a very complicated time-space event like the Doctor, preventing it from happening causes all kinds of bad things, in this case time *stopping*. Of course, the Doctor already knew in advance what was going to happen and had already planned out how to make the fixed event be exactly what he'd set it up to be, but if you prevent a fixed event entirely, it's going to get messy.
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Even then -- the first series of the revival is quite ridiculous at times.
Part of the problem is that it was still being written almost as if it were Old Who and hadn't quite found the New Who its own identity.
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At that point it even became a little bit too serious, but OTOH it was simply thrilling... The best episodes are in series 3 to 6.
There are a couple of exceptions to this, though. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances from season 1, The Girl in the Fireplace from season 2 are easily the stand-out episodes in both cases.

I do also quite like The Christmas Invasion (pre-season 2 Christmas special) and The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit (if nothing else the Doctor is out of his depth for once)

That said, there are some absolutely lamentable episodes in both series 1 & 2, where even the worst episodes of series 3 onwards are nowhere near the worst in 1 & 2, in particular The Unquiet Dead, The Idiot's Lantern and Love & Monsters.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on August 10th, 2012, 10:06 PM
In every season (of the new series) they have one episode in which the doctor has just a cameo and that focuses on something or someone else.

Blink introduced the best monsters of the entire Whovian universe, IMO... the weeping angels are, well, in a word, terrifying..
Even when they brought them back in the future episodes, they were still scary.

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BTW: I have heard, in the new season, the Statue of Liberty is a giant, weeping angel!!!!!!

The doctor's companions in the new series have been hit or miss, though....
Rose (season 1) good...   the rets of the time, she's a whiny, lovestruck twit with no good plot
Donna - hated her (but then again, I dislike the actress)
Martha - probably one of my favorites from the new series - but under plotted and wasted
Amy - meh... she's cute - but they tried to make the show more focused on her and that annoyed me.

old companions:
Jamie - one of the few male companions... interesting fella.
Sarah Jane - probably the best, most developed companion ever...
Teela - kick-ass barbarian!
Ace - possibly the worst companion ever

Romana - cool...   possibly a little-basis for River Song...

the other companions... well, take'em of leave 'em...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 11th, 2012, 01:07 AM
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In every season (of the new series) they have one episode in which the doctor has just a cameo and that focuses on something or someone else.
Yes, it's for production reasons. They also invariably do something similar for the companion. The filming time for Tennant and Freeman during Blink allowed them to film the finale, for example. Catherine Tate's absence during Midnight was to allow her to film Turn Left.
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Blink introduced the best monsters of the entire Whovian universe, IMO... the weeping angels are, well, in a word, terrifying..
Yes, I think I agree with that. Having seen pretty much the entire canon, they're the only monster that won't date and become lame - and not need a reboot. The Daleks, in every incarnation, were not particularly scary (for me), though the fringe variations like the Special Weapons Dalek make it interesting. The Cybermen were creepy the first time I saw them because I knew they were made from people in some fashion - and the reboot made better Cybermen, but still not scary.

All the others will generally need some kind of reboot at some point in their future to keep them relevant (the Daleks have long since ceased to be relevant, and really the only time in recent years where they were particularly interesting was when Davros was with them)
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The doctor's companions in the new series have been hit or miss, though....
Rose (season 1) good...   the rets of the time, she's a whiny, lovestruck twit with no good plot
But even in season 1 she's still a whiny, lovestruck twit. The finale to season 1 is definitely redeeming for her though.
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Martha - probably one of my favorites from the new series - but under plotted and wasted
The plot from Family of Blood was pretty good, and played quite well I thought, her part in the season 3 finale was certainly her finest hour, and the parting of the ways between her and the Doctor was very good. But yes, under-plotted and wasted.
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Donna - hated her (but then again, I dislike the actress)
I don't like the actress much, I didn't particularly like her role, however I did appreciate the character development - that by the end of the season she had changed, and her fate is all the more bitter because she'd become a character I didn't thoroughly dislike.
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Amy - meh... she's cute - but they tried to make the show more focused on her and that annoyed me.
That's the thing, though, the whole point of the show, really is that it isn't about *him*. It's the story of his companions and the worlds and tales he shows them - it isn't his story, at least not from my perspective.
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Jamie - one of the few male companions... interesting fella.
Feisty fighter, shame that his mind got wiped really.
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Sarah Jane - probably the best, most developed companion ever...
Certainly the most developed companion in Old Who. Nice to note that by the time we got to New Who and met her again, it wasn't the same dynamic as before - it was much more on an equal footing.
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Teela - kick-ass barbarian!
And one to whom everything the Doctor did was 'magic', which got old a bit fast.
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Ace - possibly the worst companion ever
Not even close, seriously. Don't forget, at the time Ace was the companion, the BBC were desperately trying to shut down Dr Who quietly by making it increasingly crap, combined with a script editor who was trying to push a political agenda in the background. She had the same problem Colin Baker had some years before - bad scriptwriting. Ace's overall character arc, the Curse of Fenric and Ghostlight is actually very clever. Survival, however, is a truly dismal storyline.
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Romana - cool...   possibly a little-basis for River Song...
Yes, very much so - her later character, not the younger form we see taking on Hitler! But yes, her later approach once she's become a Doctor herself, does have similarities to both incarnations of Romana.


If we're debating characters, Peri 'Perpagilliam'[1] Brown, the only character to manage to overshadow the regeneration of her Doctor, with cleavage >_>

But worse than that, Mel. I don't even know Mel's last name, but dear god, irritating. Trying to get the Doctor to drink carrot juice >_< This isn't funny, people. Or Adric. You can't convince me Ace was a worse companion than Adric. There is a reason Adric died, and not one of being dramatic.

Tegan Jovanka (Four and Five), Turlough Vislor (Five), Nyssa (Five) were all perfectly adequate, even if Turlough's back story is way more convoluted and unnecessary than it needed to be (tied into the whole Black Guardian mess), though like most of the characters that far back, there wasn't a great deal of development for them.

Going a bit earlier, Liz Shaw, Sergeant Benton (Three) and of course the Brigadier were strong characters too - though only the Brigadier got any real development.
 1. I could not be arsed to look up the spelling of her name however this is her full name.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 11th, 2012, 09:12 AM
There will always be a character development with their own plot, their own story. I find River to be the most interesting character in the Whovian universe. It feels like  every episodes  we discovering more closer to the truth. Saying spoilers every single time makes my bone chilly. Because there's something I wanna see what River sees in the future since she holds the secret to everything, even his real name.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Drunken Clam on August 16th, 2012, 11:32 PM
Take a break from coding guys and have a bit of fun with THIS(http://cyberdrone.deviantart.com/gallery/9187037?offset=0) site! :eheh:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 17th, 2012, 12:08 AM
Actually I'd seen that before but it's still awesome, heh. It also reminds me of Minecraft and that a Doctor Who themed mod for MC would be awesome.

(The answer is no before anyone asks. I refuse to get into Java.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on August 18th, 2012, 05:56 PM
yeah...   I didn't go into the entire list of companions... :)   


I actually kinda liked Adric, but then again, he was there WITH Nyssa and Romana...

I had completely forgotten Peri..  How could I have forgotten that?

and ok... I'll give you Mel. I had also forgotten Mel... but only because I blocked it out.
I know WHY Ace was such a bad character... but it doesn't make the character any better, knowing the reason. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 18th, 2012, 08:39 PM
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yeah...   I didn't go into the entire list of companions... :)
Neither did I ;)
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I actually kinda liked Adric, but then again, he was there WITH Nyssa and Romana...
And he was piss irritating then too, heh. Not really surprising that his fate was actually to be one of the few companions who actually died.
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I had completely forgotten Peri..  How could I have forgotten that?
Other than her boobs upstaging the Fifth Doctor's regeneration scene, and almost being throttled by the Sixth Doctor, she was mostly forgettable.
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and ok... I'll give you Mel. I had also forgotten Mel... but only because I blocked it out.
I know WHY Ace was such a bad character... but it doesn't make the character any better, knowing the reason.
The entirety of Six and Seven's run was pretty messed up, not because of their acting talents or any perceived lack of them, but because the storywriting really was that bad.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 19th, 2012, 12:48 AM
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 22nd, 2012, 05:51 PM
Quote from Arantor on August 10th, 2012, 03:02 PM
I do also quite like The Christmas Invasion (pre-season 2 Christmas special) and The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit (if nothing else the Doctor is out of his depth for once)
That reminds me, I really need to watch The Christmas Invasion one day (as well as 2x01), and re-watch the Fireplace episode which I don't remember much about...

Don't know a thing about the old Who episodes (I really only watched 5 minutes of Genesis of the Daleks and City of Death, and have yet to find the motivation to go beyond these appalling minutes, sorry about that...), so I'll just keep my mouth shut about the characters :P

These days I've been watching Joking Around, which is the last remaining Moffat show I had to watch (loved Sherlock, Who and Coupling, and after J/A, well, can't find anything, let alone with English subtitles...)
And well, I have to say it doesn't make me laugh much... I actually took the break from the show because it was so depressing. It was like watching some of my past failed relationships all over again. :^^;: Plus, the direction is quite flat, even though they made quite a fuss about it being handled by Bob Spiers. (Fawlty Towers certainly was better in terms of rhythm.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 23rd, 2012, 04:19 PM
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That reminds me, I really need to watch The Christmas Invasion one day (as well as 2x01), and re-watch the Fireplace episode which I don't remember much about...
Christmas Invasion is great, 2x01 is a little less wonderful, though it's a nice throwback to series 1, and it is referenced in series 3's Gridlock.
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Don't know a thing about the old Who episodes (I really only watched 5 minutes of Genesis of the Daleks and City of Death, and have yet to find the motivation to go beyond these appalling minutes, sorry about that...), so I'll just keep my mouth shut about the characters
Pyramids of Mars is probably a better story.

Genesis of the Daleks is quite a long story (6 episodes), but Pyramids of Mars is 4 episodes, and has interesting stuff going on pretty early. The downside to the 6-serial stories is that they're generally stretched out to fit.
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These days I've been watching Joking Around, which is the last remaining Moffat show I had to watch (loved Sherlock, Who and Coupling, and after J/A, well, can't find anything, let alone with English subtitles...)
Joking Apart is a sitcom but it is based on him splitting up with his wife, so not surprising that it makes you feel that way. It's also why I haven't gone to check it out. You might find Press Gang watchable, though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 1st, 2012, 09:14 PM
Asylum of the Daleks. Wow.

Also, note that it makes more sense if 1) you remember everything that happened in season 6 and 2) watched the 5 part show that's been going on this week called Pond Life.
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Post by: Aaron on September 1st, 2012, 10:39 PM
Yeah, without Pond Life the beginning would have made very little sense.

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Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 2nd, 2012, 02:45 AM
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The Daleks will never be killed off...until there is a good alternative...
I am sure they won't, not ever, every story has a beginning, a middle and a end but it wont be in that order, therefore the end of Daleks is just the beginning and to end it for good The Doctor will find an end to all this by going to the beginning of Time eventually.

We found a good alternative in season 4: Weeping Angels.
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Post by: Arantor on September 2nd, 2012, 03:07 AM
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Technically, the Doctor has already been to the beginning of Time, back to Event One, long time ago.

The Daleks are such a part of Doctor Who history that they won't ever be killed off. They're too much part of the fabric, even if they're not scary any more. Same with the Cybermen, really.

FWIW, my take on it is that he's going to go back to the point before Oswin dies, and takes her away. The crash of the Alaska does not appear to be a fixed point in time, meaning that he can take her away, the chain of events that happened thus far falls apart - the most significant consequence of which is that the Daleks never forget their Predator. Though the 'Doctor Who?' joke was cleverly done.

We discovered the Angels in season 3, their use in season 5 wasn't nearly as scary as it was in season 3.

The comment made about Daleks being made by removing love and adding hate is interesting: if you watch Pond Life and then this episode, it is extremely interesting that Amy was already losing her love and getting angrier *before* going to the Alaska, before theoretically starting to be converted. Season arc, anyone?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on September 2nd, 2012, 05:35 PM
actually, I was disappointed in the season premiere...

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Post by: Arantor on September 2nd, 2012, 05:46 PM
In what way?
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Post by: Nao on September 3rd, 2012, 12:51 AM
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Joking Apart is a sitcom but it is based on him splitting up with his wife, so not surprising that it makes you feel that way. It's also why I haven't gone to check it out. You might find Press Gang watchable, though.
I actually finished J/A, and ended up really liking it... It's really odd -- one of those shows I'm not sure I'm liking when I'm watching them, but which leaves a rather lasting impression after it's finished.
Moffat really is a genius writer...

Press Gang doesn't have any subtitles available. My spoken English is too rotten to let me enjoy these without having to pause and rewind every 10 seconds, which isn't exactly my idea of 'watchable' ;)
Find me some subtitles and I'm all ears!

As for 7x01...
Well, it absolutely rocked. Moffat's first Dalek-centric episode was a real blast. I wasn't too happy with most of his season 6 episodes (I mostly liked the fun parts in 'Let's kill Hitler!' and the last part of the final episode, although I'd already seen a few weeks before that an older show that had the *exact* same idea, I think I discussed it at the time.) I think that he was too busy writing the very best Sherlock episode ever (The Woman!), so I'm fine with it. Looks like he's back to Who with a bang. The meeting between that girl and the Doctor was a pure moment of emotion, not only because of how it was written, but also because of how it was shot. I think I already saw a similar scene in another show, years ago, but that one, I can't put my finger on it. Doesn't matter, the overall episode was just flawless. :)

Next week, I'm not so sure... But it's probably going to be good fun! I like that in Who, too.
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Post by: Arantor on September 3rd, 2012, 01:38 AM
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but which leaves a rather lasting impression after it's finished.
Moffat really is a genius writer...
He has a certain amount of skill.
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Well, it absolutely rocked. Moffat's first Dalek-centric episode was a real blast.
Yup.
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I wasn't too happy with most of his season 6 episodes (I mostly liked the fun parts in 'Let's kill Hitler!' and the last part of the final episode
Season 6 was very arc heavy, and there were all sorts of other issues floating around, like the other producers and Moffat having issues internally and budget issues, which didn't help its cohesiveness either.
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I think that he was too busy writing the very best Sherlock episode ever (The Woman!), so I'm fine with it
That too, but it certainly wasn't the only problem.
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Looks like he's back to Who with a bang.
Yup!
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The meeting between that girl and the Doctor was a pure moment of emotion, not only because of how it was written, but also because of how it was shot.
Especially because we know what is going to happen later in the season.
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I think I already saw a similar scene in another show, years ago, but that one, I can't put my finger on it. Doesn't matter, the overall episode was just flawless. :)
I don't recognise a scene like it but I'm not as widely read as it were.
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Post by: godboko71 on September 3rd, 2012, 03:05 AM
I liked the season opener, it was fun, serious, and while parts of the ending were pretty much obvious it was still neat.
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Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 5th, 2012, 06:26 AM
The God Complex still had me stumped no matter how much I looked at it.
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They are gonna tell what's in Room 11 eventually. There's a reason The Doctor dropped the Pond home. I have a feeling that episode 5 of season 7 which must not be named will somehow tied to The God Complex to fill the answers we seek. What if Room 11 is not what we thought he feared? What if it's what  he feared will be in episode S7x5? IT spoke of such creature which it stated "I am not talking about myself"
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Post by: Nao on September 5th, 2012, 08:43 AM
Something tells me I should really rewatch that scene...
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Post by: Kindred on September 10th, 2012, 05:51 AM
ok... just saw the second of the new series....

On the one hand, I liked it, a lot...
on the other hand, Matt Smith's frenetic doctor is really starting to wear on me....
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Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 10th, 2012, 06:01 AM
Saw it tonight and it was a fun episode. :D

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The look in Doctor's face toward Amy & Rory at the end tells something...something he knew...the end of the Ponds, he is the Time Lord after all.
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Post by: Arantor on September 10th, 2012, 02:03 PM
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ok... just saw the second of the new series....

On the one hand, I liked it, a lot...
on the other hand, Matt Smith's frenetic doctor is really starting to wear on me....
Yeah, I can understand that.

What strikes me is that he's playing it like Troughton. Or, more accurately, he's playing it like Troughton, except what Troughton would have done in 4 25-minute episodes, he's doing in a single 45 minute episode. Compressed brilliance, you might say.

On the other hand, it is a little different to Tennant's legs in running/piston mode every 5 minutes. And it's better than hearing "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry" every other episode, which grated on me.

It's also possibly a sign of something bigger. He knows what's coming, and "we almost possibly have a chance" to fix it. This is the eleventh hour (pun completely intended :P) for the Ponds. Something big is happening and he's trying to stop it.

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Why did he round up everyone before going on board? The big game hunter, yeah, makes sense. Queen Nefertiti? Why not. But rounding up the Ponds, 10 months since he last saw them? Why? What possible reason did he have? Because that 'just wanted a gang, never had a gang before' is the lamest excuse I ever heard :lol: There's no way he could have predicted bringing Brian on board, so there's no way he planned the whole deal with the two-members-of-the-same-gene-chain. Pretty sure he didn't realise it was a Silurian ship until Amy called to tell him.

So why, after 10 months, did he just turn up in their lives again? Especially since at the end of the last season he basically shooed them off the TARDIS to get on with their lives in a new house, etc.
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Post by: Nao on September 10th, 2012, 02:05 PM
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On the one hand, I liked it, a lot...
I didn't... Well, it had a couple of interesting ideas (not that much really), a handful of amusing jokes (nothing worth a LOL), the robots were the best parts, probably because they felt like they came from Douglas Adams.
Other than that... Too many friggin' plot holes for me. And I'm not one to scream at plot holes... It just didn't make sense overall. Things like, "okay you have control of the ship but we're still going to shoot the ship because we can", or "let's ride that slow Triceratops, it's certainly going to be more efficient than just running while dodging these lame laser shots from the dumb robots..."
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on the other hand, Matt Smith's frenetic doctor is really starting to wear on me....
Same here -- except it's been the same since series 6 for me... I just can't take any more of that Doctor. He's supposed to be the same doctor, but where did our Tennant go? I know the Doctor has on occasion killed, but in such a cold-blooded way? Nope, that isn't the Doctor I know... He's always trying to be fair, even with the villains.

Anyway... It was far, far less interesting than last week. To me, it was the worst episode since season 5's Victory of the Daleks, and season 3's Daleks in Manhattan. And without any Daleks to help? Congrats!
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Post by: Arantor on September 10th, 2012, 03:59 PM
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okay you have control of the ship but we're still going to shoot the ship because we can
That wasn't a plot hole. By the time the Doctor had control of the ship, the missiles had already fired. They were already in flight on their way by the time that happened, so it wasn't about 'we're still going to shoot the ship', it was 'we've already shot at it, the bullets just haven't got there yet'.
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let's ride that slow Triceratops, it's certainly going to be more efficient than just running while dodging these lame laser shots from the dumb robots...
It was running faster than they could...
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I just can't take any more of that Doctor. He's supposed to be the same doctor, but where did our Tennant go?
No, he's not supposed to be the same Doctor, that's the point. This Doctor is more vengeful than the previous one. From his point of view, this is righting a wrong in the only way he can: the mercenary slaughtered thousands of Silurians who were defending the dinosaurs and whatnot. He can't bring them back, but he can deal with the mercenary, and protect the dinosaurs so that the Silurians' sacrifice was not in vain.

Tennant was basically summed up in School Reunion:
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I know the Doctor has on occasion killed, but in such a cold-blooded way?
What about the Daleks? The Cybermen? How many thousands of them has he slaughtered? (And make no mistake, we are talking slaughter.)

What I find interesting is the writer. That episode was written by Chris Chibnall, who also wrote the Pond Life mini-series, The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood (from series 5), 42 (from series 3). 42 is possibly even more mediocre than Victory of the Daleks - if an episode is memorably bad, that's one thing, but if it's unmemorable entirely, that's possibly even worse.

It was also deliberately meant to be less interesting than last week. It is intentionally not a story arc episode, it's a fun episode.
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Post by: Kindred on September 10th, 2012, 05:30 PM
Oh, he has killed before... and we've seen him go completely mad several times, even in the old serieses but more recently with Ecelston and even Tennant. However, Smith is a truly vengeful doctor... Look at how his acted toward the folks who kidnapped Amy... or the ships who tried to put him in the pandora box.

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Yes, the biggest plot hole in the episode was picking up the Ponds...

but I did like the line from Amy "Stop Flirting. there will be no flirting with my companions" (or something along those lines)
It makes me like her a little again... I haven't linked the Amy character in a while....
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Post by: Arantor on September 10th, 2012, 06:31 PM
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Oh, that's new. Never been angry before.

I sort of chalk that up to never having been that emotionally invested in his companions like that before. It's sort of like the reaction he had during The Idiot's Lantern, after Rose's face was 'stolen':
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Det. Inspector Bishop: No...
The Doctor: Because now, Detective Inspector Bishop, there is no power on this earth that can stop me!
I see it as a continuation of that, except this time it's his fault. The Wire was not down to him, but the whole thing with Madame Kovarian, the Silence, the whole fact they had kidnapped Amy, the whole Melody Pond setup was solely because of how dangerous he is.

That's really the one colossal difference between Tennant and Smith's Doctors... Ten ran round the universe, seeing what there is to see. He encountered things that he didn't like, and he dealt with them. But mostly it was a reactionary thing.

Eleven on the other hand is a little less reactive and a lot more proactive, and mostly that's down to the fact that he feels responsible. He feels responsible for everything that's happened - because he *is* responsible. It weighs heavily on his mind, and a lot of the nervous energy is overcompensating.
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or the ships who tried to put him in the pandora box.
"Your voice is different, but the arrogance is unchanged." - Davros, The Stolen Earth.

Eleven is clever, probably cleverer than Ten was, if that makes sense. He sees the plan beyond the plan, except not the plan behind that. The entire Pandorica setup was a very clever trap, but it was so well designed that he didn't realise it was a trap until it was too late, mostly because of his arrogant insistence that the Pandorica was a myth.

The way he dismissed the Alliance was mostly to buy time to actually get to examine the Pandorica, not to actually make them go away - he knew full well it would merely buy time, "That should keep them squabbling for half an hour", not realising they were all there together anyway.

In reality that's just feeding into his ego, and under other circumstances he might have realised it was a little too easy to make that happen.
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Post by: Nao on September 10th, 2012, 11:22 PM
- I do remember 42... And I did enjoy the episode. A bit like 'Sunshine' and all...

- What I'm saying is that the Doctor never gets mad against villains unless they did something truly worthy of his wrath. Okay, the guy killed hundreds of Silurians -- and we know Silurians are usually a peaceful people -- but he didn't see him do it. From his point of view, all he knows is that he tried to kidnap Nefertiti and sell her as a slave or something... And he's so old, he couldn't do anything worthy without his robots' help. He really didn't strike me as worthy of such a revenge from the Doctor. I like my Doctor vengeful, believe me. I just think he should be vengeful in really, really exciting situations. Like when he snapped in Waters of Mars, things like that...

- Eleven is only as smart as Steven Moffat can be... :lol:
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Post by: Arantor on September 11th, 2012, 01:41 AM
This one is more 'I like dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are cool. And this guy wants to SELL them.' I suspect the death of thousands of Silurians is only part of his wrath.

Oh, Waters of Mars was awesome. "Once upon a time there were people in charge of those laws but they died. They all died. Do you know who that leaves? *Me!* It's taken me all these years to realize that the laws of time are *mine* and they will obey me!"

Yes, Eleven is only as smart as Steven Moffat, however, Moffat the puppet-master is far more devious than RTD as puppet master.
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Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2012, 08:47 AM
Devious? As in deviant?

Okay, I'll accept the explanations for the Doctor's wrath etc... There are enough elements to justify it, even though I think he's going over the top. (And it's a kid's show originally, remember?)
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Post by: Arantor on September 11th, 2012, 03:47 PM
No, devious as in shrewd, evil-genius mentality, twisting and turning before we get to the end.

It may have been a kid's show originally, and you know what? A kid would appreciate that. Kids like dinosaurs, and that man is trying to sell them?!?! He's going to have to pay for that!
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Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2012, 04:21 PM
I never really liked dinosaurs, myself... It's like being a fan of sharks, but only because they're extinct so they can't hurt me.
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Post by: Nao on September 16th, 2012, 02:19 PM
Two out of three! Great!
I loved yesterday's episode, with a big L. A tearjerker. It had a barely recognizable Ben "Crichton" Browder in it, both 'vilains' were very well written, even the Doctor was very believable (unlike last time, sorry for insisting!) in his desires and his multiple changes of mind... Whithouse really is a great asset to Doctor Who, after the nice 'Vampires in Venice' and the excellent 'God complex'...
And next week's episode should be interesting, too! Although it's written by the Dinosaurs guy :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on September 17th, 2012, 12:38 AM
Have you noticed ...
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... every episode this series (including Pond Life) has had flickering lights?
... the opening sequences getting darker every week? They even changed the font colour this week.

Obviously connected to the fifth episode.
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Post by: Nao on September 18th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Nope, ain't noticed anything...

I barely even noticed that the credits had changed in series 7 though :lol:
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Post by: Arantor on September 22nd, 2012, 09:18 PM
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Another manic Doctor. But this has some context that previous episodes did not - he's manic because he can't sit still and that's why he gallivants around the universe.

The whole 'one heart' thing was a bit laborious, especially given that he has survived on a single heart in the past, albeit not running around trying to save the universe at the same time.

The ending, tying into the title 'the power of three' was cute but seems a little too handwaving, the whole tie-in with Lethbridge-Stewart is cute, though.

I'm curious about the way the next episode is going. River's back, the Angels are back, and they're in Manhattan. I wish it didn't have to be Manhattan. I personally think it would have been awesome if they'd set it early in the history of LA, the City of Angels! But we shall see.

Oh, and yes, the intro is again darker this week. The TARDIS is almost black, which ties into the cubes, but mostly because it's foreshadowing.
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Post by: Nao on September 23rd, 2012, 11:18 AM
And, three out of four!
Congrats to Chibnall for writing his best episode of the show so far! I totally forgive him for my disappointment in Dinosaurs :)
This is exactly the kind of storyline I enjoy in Who: an episode-length mystery, humour, not too many silly monsters, not too much action, just time to think and laugh...
The only lesser part of the episode, is the resolution I'd say. The part where the Doctor fixes it.

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It's just too quick... "Oh, I'll just do this and that to their computer and it'll reverse everything."
Even then -- didn't the Shakri say they were sending a second wave...? What about it?
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Oh, I forgot... Yesterday I finally watched The Second Coming (2003), a TV movie written by Russel T. Davies and starring Chris Eccleston, before they made Who together. It was very slow but engaging, and overall a pretty solid story. I'd recommend it to anyone interested in seeing RTD stuff that may have inspired his stints on Who (Eccleston's enthusiasm) and Torchwood (the grittiness of it all).
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Post by: Arantor on September 23rd, 2012, 04:32 PM
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The only lesser part of the episode, is the resolution I'd say. The part where the Doctor fixes it.
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Yes, that was a bit quick, but nothing unusual for Chibnall's episodes. Lots of handwaving of details. As for the second wave, he blew the ship up which should have prevented that.
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Post by: Nao on September 24th, 2012, 12:19 AM
Hmm, but the 'hologram' is still a potential threat... The Doctor didn't seem to convince him otherwise ;)

Ah, time for bed...
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Post by: Kindred on September 26th, 2012, 07:59 PM
well, I have to say... I disliked the past weekend's episode. :(

oh, and about the hologram.... the ship with that hologram blew up. No mention of what happened to the other 6 ships though.
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Post by: PantsManUK on September 29th, 2012, 08:27 PM
A first? Live discussion of the episode being shown right now...

Interesting start. Nice location work, must have cost us license fee payers a good few quid...

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This is a "just in case" spoiler - 19:48; I do wish they would stop telegraphing the denouements so bloody obviously...

19:57; OK, weak... Very disappointed...

In answer to the below - hence no (real) spoilers ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 29th, 2012, 08:36 PM
/meis not at home and can't watch it until tonight :^^;:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on September 30th, 2012, 12:32 AM
So... Cliffhanger or not? Bearable or not?
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Post by: PantsManUK on September 30th, 2012, 12:36 AM
For me, not that much of a cliffhanger, they broadcast it coming really early on in the episode (which I find a *huge* turn off... annoys me no end), and it's been in the "news" for a while that it was going to happen. Entirely bearable for me, will wait for the Xmas episode now and no doubt be unimpressed by it.
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Post by: Nao on September 30th, 2012, 12:40 AM
Oh, well, but I'm not British am I..? So I never hear about the 'news'.

Apparently I'm spoiled, then. I didn't know it was 'early on the episode'... :-/

Will watch tomorrow morning anyway.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 30th, 2012, 04:32 AM
No, it's not.

Early in the episode is a huge spoiler of what is going to come.

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The kicker is that a few minutes from the end you think they've done it, that they're going to survive, and BOOM. It's a hell of an episode. Even though I knew what was coming, I knew full well and I still thought that somehow they were going to get away with it.
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Post by: Nao on September 30th, 2012, 11:09 AM
So... Watched this morning. Excellent. Along with this week's Saint Seiya Omega which I watched just after it.

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I just can't get why Moffat fell for such an easy ending. I mean, we already discussed it before: it was bound to happen this way... Amy and Rory being taken back in time and the Doctor finding a reason NOT to go look for them... Well, that particular reason was cheesy as hell. I'd even say it was extra-lame... But at least he did have a good idea in the execution -- this time it's Amy that gives up on everything she has, to go and be with Rory. That was a beautiful moment.

Now, of course, I don't know how exactly she could get away with publishing a book with such an afterword, but well, after all, I guess she really is the publisher herself... (And that's probably why we learned earlier on that she started writing articles for a magazine, eh..?)

Also... Statue of Liberty, EH? Come on... I know it's a kids show, but still...? Did you HAVE to do it? Or was it because you put into Who every silly idea you can't put into Sherlock? :P
And I've never seen such lazy statues. Plenty of times they'll have opportunities to strike (only one person watching them and frantically blinking, or in the roof scene, two people in the scene, a Statue of Liberty close to them, and they're both looking away for seconds, maybe minutes!)

Also liked River in the episode. She didn't steal the show, she was good support, had a moment to shine (the wrist issue), and some comforting words to say at the end. I know many don't like her, but I hope she sticks along, like she promised... :)

And the 'early in the episode' is at the 22mn mark. That's halfway through it... Just wanted to say ;)

All in all, it was a great half-season...

Christmas special:
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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on September 30th, 2012, 03:00 PM
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Well, that particular reason was cheesy as hell.
What choice does he have? The way it's set up, it's not 'finding a reason not to go look' but 'finding a reason so he can't'. When you have a time machine, almost anything becomes possible.

They're told that Rory is going to go back and he knows out that if he kills himself, it'll create a paradox. So he kills himself and explosively deals with the situation. But when they thought they've dealt with it, an Angel has escaped... the TARDIS really does not like being near paradoxes (c.f. season 3 ending) and somewhat unsurprisingly can't go back there. It might seem lame, but short of repeating last season by making the event a fixed point in time, there's not really a lot you can do with it.
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Also... Statue of Liberty, EH? Come on... I know it's a kids show, but still...?
I thought that was a neat touch, especially given the fact that in NY, *someone*'s going to be looking at the Statue of Liberty anyway so there's never really a risk of that.
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(And that's probably why we learned earlier on that she started writing articles for a magazine, eh..?)
Remember Blink. The policeman that got thrown back in time went on to get into publishing specifically so that he could put the easter egg into the DVDs.
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I know many don't like her, but I hope she sticks along, like she promised... :)
I'm not entirely sure what there is left for her to say. The arc of her timeline is now complete - the next point in her timeline, really, is in the Library. She's now a Professor, she's now an archaeologist. There are no gaps that need to be filled in continuity between where she is now and the Library. That said, I'd love to see her around for the 50th, and if she has a vortex manipulator, maybe Jack's there too... :whistle:

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Judging by the comments that have been made on the subject and what has been leaked about the Christmas episode, they have a different but related name, so it is entirely possible that she is a relative, or there is something we don't know about yet.
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Post by: Kindred on October 11th, 2012, 08:38 PM
I dunno.... I didn't like the angels in this episode.
I loved them in Blink. They were scary as all hell in the later episode... this one, they just kinda were...
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Actually, the giant angel and the kid angels made them rather comic, instead of more scary.

As for Rory, etc...
I think we can infer that a sufficient paradox will "shut down" access to a particular place/time coordinate for travellers. It kinda makes sense...    and also explains why the Tardis has such a hard time getting in there to start with.

I had issues with Rory et al turning up in that graveyard though. If the paradox reset by reverting and casting out the cause, then they should have ended up back in the park.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 11th, 2012, 09:32 PM
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I dunno.... I didn't like the angels in this episode.
I loved them in Blink.
After seeing them in so many more episodes, I tend to think that it was the episode that was just plain great, not the baddies.
Just like the baddies in Silence in the Library would probably not be as good without that particular gem of a script...

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I had issues with Rory et al turning up in that graveyard though. If the paradox reset by reverting and casting out the cause, then they should have ended up back in the park.
And the book shouldn't have been written, etc... It's a paradox, after all: it just stops making sense.

Hmm, recently I watched Looper (which I loved because it was so full of good ideas, and then hated because it became so boring and predictable), and it ends with a paradox as well... But the only way to solve it in a realistic manner is to... (Spoiler in spoiler! Woo!)
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Assume that the kid is the hero (last scene shows that he has a forehead wound and the hero has one too, hasn't he..? Why show that final shot otherwise?), and for some reason he's supposed to go back to the past again and become the young version of the guy... Which means the guy slept with his own mother. Funny. But that's really the only way to solve the paradox: if the young hero dies, then the kid has no trauma, then he doesn't become a baddie, probably doesn't need to come back to the past, so the young version doesn't exist anymore, in which case the kid has no trauma, etc, etc... It's a never-ending loop, but it actually reinforces the paradox effect, rather than weaken it.

(Why the hell do these spoiler alerts only show the first word I'm indicating...? Even using double quotes doesn't help...)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 12th, 2012, 09:57 PM
In response to that episode... there is actually a small scene, written by Chris Chibnall, but for some reason it wasn't actually filmed (though it does have voice acting)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWU6XL9xI4k

You know what... even without being filmed it's powerful stuff. In fact I think it's almost more powerful because it's NOT filmed. The drawings used actually convey something of the emotion in it.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 12th, 2012, 10:43 PM
Thank you for sharing this beautiful scene...! I'm glad I watched it. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on October 12th, 2012, 11:07 PM
ok...   that was awesome.
I wish they had filmed it... (even though I agree that it was powerful in drawing and description)   it's better than the ending they used.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 13th, 2012, 05:37 PM
Problem is -- should it have been shown at the end of The Power of Three, or the last episode...?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 13th, 2012, 07:29 PM
At the end of the last episode.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 13th, 2012, 10:58 PM
But it's not what the video suggests..? Also, writer != Moffat...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 13th, 2012, 11:01 PM
Considering that it directly follows on after the events of the last episode, it seems logical that's where it should go, yes? At the end of the Power of Three, Amy and Rory do not yet know they will never return home.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on October 14th, 2012, 12:11 AM
Yes, but then at the end of Angels, it kinda overlaps with the 'letter at the end of the book' thingy...
So, Amy contacts the Doctor through a book she publishes for everyone to see. Rory contacts his father through a letter. Couldn't they just both send a letter to his father and ask him to tell the Doctor next time he'll visit...? (Because he's going to visit to tell him Rory won't come back, won't he...?)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on October 14th, 2012, 12:22 AM
Davros was right - the Doctor... the man who runs, who never looks back because he daren't - out of shame. No, he wouldn't go back to tell Brian what happened. He'll just move on and take that guilt with him, like he does every time. This is not the first time he has had to abandon his companions to their fate.

Even in New Who, he had to leave Donna to her fate, forgetting him. But look back at Old Who, you have Adric[1], Peri[2], Jamie and Zoe[3], Sarah Jane[4]... the list goes on, but it's not always them leaving because they want to, or he wants them to, but because circumstances forces him to leave them behind in some fashion.

That's incidentally one of the things that is objected to - how does the Doctor know his companions will be safe? The answer is, ultimately he doesn't.
 1. Dead. Not really missed.
 2. She was left with King Yrcanos (Brian Blessed, no less, looking like he'd just stepped off the set of Flash Gordon), with her thought to be dead for several episodes of Trial of a Time Lord.
 3. After the Time Lords caught up with the Doctor back in his second incarnation, they forced a regeneration, sent these two home with no memory of the Doctor and largely exiled him on Earth.
 4. She was left behind, hundreds of miles from home, because the Doctor had to return home to Gallifrey.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on December 26th, 2012, 10:08 PM
So, what were your thoughts about last night's special?

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Plot-wise, it was a bit light-hearted, eh? Loved most of the dialogue, though! Love the new intro -- "the face" returns! Not feeling the new TARDIS interior yet, but it looks like a machine again -- right in time for the 50th anniversary, of course.

As for Clara... really looking forward to seeing more of her. Did you notice her date of birth? Ties in nicely with the show's first broadcast. Also, the fact that she's died twice... remind you of a certain series? Perhaps I'm going on a limb here, but at least some aspects of her character seem to be metaphors for the show, somehow.

Is it April yet? ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 27th, 2012, 02:06 PM
I loved it. Nuff said ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on December 27th, 2012, 04:06 PM
I really liked it...

and I love Clara.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on December 27th, 2012, 04:07 PM
I will get around to watching it shortly, I'm sure... been busy the last couple of days and not nearly enough sleep.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on December 27th, 2012, 04:42 PM
Quote from Kindred on December 27th, 2012, 04:06 PM
and I love Clara.
Who wouldn't... :P She's just as witty as River Song, with the extra 'girl next door' touch. :P
Well, I guess I could fall in love with Mr Moffat, if all it took was the clever lines :lol:

Anyway, I don't know what else to say... I'm only surprised that I actually thought of her saying 'it's smaller on the outside' just a second before she said it... It just felt so logical to me that she would say the exact opposite of what the Doctor expected ;)

Also an A+ for the Sherlock impersonation (the music is a nice touch!), as well as the 'originals', whom I already liked from A Good Man Goes to War, but who are much more detailed in here, especially the very funny Strax. I'm glad to know he'll be seen in more épisodes!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on December 27th, 2012, 06:25 PM
yeah...  interesting that he stuck his "army" in Victorian era London after the battle in the future for Melody/River....

and as for Clara... it's not just her repartee... it's the delivery. Donna had some really good lines, but they were ruined (IMO) because I disliked the actress and her delivery - the banter between Doctor/Amy/Rory was good delivery and timing... but Clara really has the whole "I can be as frenetic as the doctor" thing down! (and she's proven that she is SMART!)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 8th, 2013, 06:21 AM
Clara Who?

Loving the new approach in the series.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on March 30th, 2013, 10:48 PM
The Doctor: "Imagine that – human souls trapped like flies in the world wide web, crying out for help..."
Clara: "Isn’t that basically Twitter?"

 :youretheboss:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on March 30th, 2013, 10:54 PM
That is the stuff of badassery. Clara is quickly going up in my estimations!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2013, 01:23 AM
Quote from Arantor on March 30th, 2013, 10:54 PM
That is the stuff of badassery. Clara is quickly going up in my estimations!
I dunno, to me she's exactly like her previous and future incarnations..? (i.e. funny, witty and charming. A bit like Amy Pond, but more elegant and just as enthusiastic as the Doctor. Perhaps, should I say, a sort of mix between Amy and... her daughter. I guess that's how Moffat sees women, eh eh.)

And no further mentions were made about the 'mystery' of said incarnations and her links to the Doctor. I'm sure it'll be mentioned later though...

A good episode, but not one of Moffat's best. Perhaps because I'm becoming increasingly intolerant of Internet technobabble as a plot device. I know it's supposed to be a fantasy show, but this wi-fi mumble-jumble doesn't make any sense at all. Loved the Tweeter joke though, given all the past history SM has with it!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on March 31st, 2013, 01:26 AM
When I first saw Clara - Oswin - whatever, I wasn't *that* thrilled. I dunno. Something's changed about her. Something about the way she's acting/reacting with the Doctor is growing on me.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2013, 03:59 AM
Well, the first time you saw her, she wasn't real, she was a Dalek... :P
And the second time... Hmm I guess the second time she was real. She made me think of a talkative version of Hogfather's heroine (perhaps because it's set in a 19th century style era, and she's a nanny too...)

Anyway, I'll probably watch the episode again with Milady in a few days. If I do, I'll post to mention my findings about the difference (or not) in acting... :^^;:

Woohoo, it's 4am... Gotta love these frigging DFT shifts!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on March 31st, 2013, 04:04 AM
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Well, the first time you saw her, she wasn't real, she was a Dalek..
No, she was forever Soufflé Girl to me!
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She made me think of a talkative version of Hogfather's heroine
Susan Sto Helit is thoroughly badass. More so if you've read the Discworld series to any degree and have seen her parentage.
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Woohoo, it's 4am... Gotta love these frigging DFT shifts!
In other news, I'm LOVING not having to change my timezone settings :D
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2013, 04:19 AM
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No, she was forever Soufflé Girl to me!
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She made me think of a talkative version of Hogfather's heroine
Susan Sto Helit is thoroughly badass. More so if you've read the Discworld series to any degree and have seen her parentage.
Yeah, I read Mort (not ALL of it though... At the time I wasn't into Discworld), and... the one about the rock band (because of Susan), I skipped Hogfather though because I'd seen the TV version, and I also read the one with the time monk (with an excellent French title -- 'Procrastinations'), which AFAIK is the last appearance of Susan in the DW universe.
Technically, one might consider Susan was replaced by the golem boss girl in Going Postal, but she doesn't hold a candle to her :P
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Yep, I was surprised I didn't have to change anything... ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on March 31st, 2013, 03:46 PM
I am SOOOO disappointed that I missed the episode broadcast. Now I have to wait a few more days before it's available on demand
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on April 2nd, 2013, 05:41 PM
So....

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The Zygons are back for the 50th anniversary special.

This should be exciting, but I feel ... spoiled.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 2nd, 2013, 06:55 PM
Eh, Moffat has said about bringing back old monsters for the newer series in different forms - like we've seen the Silurians. The notion of bringing back the Great Intelligence and now potentially another old monster should not really be a surprise. Provided it's handled properly.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 2nd, 2013, 11:32 PM
This monster is not very... enticing.

I think it'd be more interesting to point out something else for the 50th Ann. special that is apparently well known (to Englishmen?!), but wasn't said here:

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That the 10th Doctor and Rose will appear in it, too!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 2nd, 2013, 11:34 PM
There is only so much you can do with 1970s monsters.

As far as the other... this is neither surprising nor entirely desirable.

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More gurning, more running, more "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry"
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 3rd, 2013, 08:33 PM
Finally got to watch the epsiode....  interesting.
I didn't like Clara in this episode as much, though....  She seemed......   less interesting (I guess that's the best way to describe it)

question:

I vaguely remember something called the great intelligence... but can not, for the life of me, pinpoint it.
Which doctor faced it before?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 3rd, 2013, 08:52 PM
The Second Doctor with Jamie and Victoria, back in The Abominable Snowmen.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 3rd, 2013, 09:39 PM
AH!    The one with all the LOST episodes.  That explains it. I never watched much of the few espisodes that still exist for that doctor (I disliked Jamie and the doctor of that regeneration)


I have to say though, Matt Smith is growing on me as the doctor.  I wasn't thrilled with him to start...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on April 4th, 2013, 10:59 AM
Also, the Eleventh Doctor encountered it in last year's Christmas special. No surprise the Great Intelligence was played by Richard E. Grant again, in that respect.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 4th, 2013, 12:55 PM
Technically, that was only 3 months ago, so I'm hoping that Kindred at least remembered this one ;)

Pete, you're talking about my favorite doctor!! :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 4th, 2013, 03:41 PM
OH!   DUH!   the snowflake thing......

It survived and evolved...   hmmmmm
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 9th, 2013, 03:17 AM
Oh my...the best quote of the Doctor:

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"I walked away from the Last Great Time War. I marked the passing of the Time Lords. I saw the birth of the universe and I watched as time ran out, moment by moment, until nothing remained. No time. No space. Just me! I've walked in universes where the laws of physics were devised by the mind of a madman. I've watched universes freeze and creations burn. I have seen things you wouldn’t believe. I have lost things you'll never understand! And I know things. Secrets that must never be told. Knowledge that must never be spoken. Knowledge that will make parasite gods BLAZE!"
Doctor Who - The Rings of Akhaten

Wish it is my signature...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 9th, 2013, 03:47 AM
And the best bit is that the epic speech was completely lampshaded by a much more powerful emotional moment.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 9th, 2013, 04:06 AM
Quote from Arantor on April 9th, 2013, 03:47 AM
And the best bit is that the epic speech was completely lampshaded by a much more powerful emotional moment.
You mean this?

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Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 9th, 2013, 01:55 PM
personally, I thought the episode was meh....

my favorite line was "yes, I was here once with my grand daughter.." (mostly because of Clara's response - which never got expanded on, unfortunately. 
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 9th, 2013, 11:54 PM
What was her response, already..?

And I thought they'd retconned his grand-daughter thing into something else, since in some earlier Tennant season he claimed he didn't have any family..? Maybe in 'The Doctor's daughter'..?

:edit: Interesting... For the second time today, a quick-edit didn't have any influence on the unread status for me. Does this mean it only happens in some topics/boards/specific situations..?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 10th, 2013, 02:56 PM
It was somehting along the lines of "hang on..." as the Doctor cotinued to walk on through the market. But they never let her finish her objection.

I don't know if they retconned anything...    he said that he had no family - but all the timelord were destroyed, so perhaps he was being completely honest while not telling the whole truth.
Maybe, with this reference as a hint, we'll finally find out what happened to the granddaughter between leaving Hartnell and the timewar...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 24th, 2013, 08:10 PM
ARGH!   I did not like this past weekend's episode.


Actually, with the exception of a few lines and a few secenes, I have been disappointed in the entire 2nd half of the season.

I was so looking forward to Clara. I loved her in the Dalek episode...   she was amazingly frenetic and interesting in the snowmen episode...  and now she's blah...  they haven't made this incarnation at all interesting, Even her tiff with the Tradis is only mildly entertaining...


ARGH ARGH ARGH BLECH!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 24th, 2013, 08:12 PM
It was definitely a 'meh' episode. Though the bit of it that was any good is the bit where the discussion gets around to 'experiences makes you lie' (as a coping mechanism) and that certainly sums up the Doctor.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 24th, 2013, 09:09 PM
Well...

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It was mentioned that he have "silver ice in his heart, not to trust him." which  give us a hint of 12th Doctor.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 24th, 2013, 09:13 PM
Nah.

Remember Rule #1: The Doctor lies.

The silver ice in his heart could easily refer to everything he's done (remember Journey's End: "The Doctor, always running, never looks back because he dares not out of shame." or "I'm not innocent, Wilfred, I've taken lives. Worse, I got clever, I manipulated others into taking their own." from The End of Time) or even the comments from "The Impossible Astronaut" when 900-year-old Eleven walks in after the others have seen the older Eleven be killed and River says "That's cold, even for you"

If you're thinking of the Valeyard, technically that was distilled from the evil in his heart(s) from somewhere between the 12th and Final regenerations. And certainly there have been hints of that in recent times (the Dream Lord in particular)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 24th, 2013, 09:28 PM
So far I like Matt Smith as The Doctor and hopes he stays 11th, I am not ready for 12th, it's too early.


Speaking of the recent episode, I thought it was good.

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If you watched the ending you will see why the Doctor was there in the first place which ties the story between Clara.

Cold War focus on new enemy the Ice Warrior[1]and "We are all ghosts to you." scene between Clara and The Doctor.
 1. Not sure if it's a new foe but it seems that the Doctor knows him somehow from his previous incarnation?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 24th, 2013, 09:33 PM
The Ice Warrior is not a new foe, he encountered them back in the Second Doctor days (and he does remember his previous incarnations)

That's actually an overarching feeling this season: looking back not forwards. We've had two *old* foes back this season (the Great Intelligence and the Ice Warriors)... I wonder if there will be more yet.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 24th, 2013, 10:21 PM
I possibly may like the uber-arc... but I have been extremely disappointed in the episodes so far.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 25th, 2013, 02:54 PM
I'm an absolute Who lover... Well, the 'modern' Who anyway, as I never grew up with Who, and only discovered him at age 30.
I loved seasons 5, 6 and the first part of season 7. They all had fantastic episodes.
Still.
After a very nice reboot (Bells), the following episodes were all disappointing to me.

- The Scifi episode. Seems to be a staple: whenever the Doctor gets both a new companion AND a reboot, he ALWAYS takes them to the future first: Rose went to the end of the Earth, Amy went on Starship UK. The other two companions, Martha and Donna, not being part of an attempted reboot, had to wait for an extra episode to get to the future... I'm saying this, because in Doctor Who, 90% of the episodes are spent in the past, or the present time. Future episodes are very rare, in comparison... Possibly because of the higher budgets, I don't know. Anyway: I didn't find the episode extraordinary, I still liked the two 'singing' scenes very much, but I had a huge problem with the fact that the Doctor 'shared' his memories without losing them (or his life). What makes him so different, eh..?

- The U-Boat episode... Oh, my. It had David Warner in it, so I was excited, but he didn't have much to do in it, except exhibit a Walter Bishop-like personality (slightly mad, very smart, unable to do stunts, and very much in love with old music. Well, new music for him, obviously, as it's set in the 80's...) The rest, err... Well, seriously, did this episode have ANYTHING interesting going on..? No, I don't think so... It's just a boring remake of The Thing, or SomeThing Else. I've always noticed that Mark Gattis's episodes always lacked originality. None of his episodes I ever really liked. I guess, I much prefer him in Sherlock, either playing Mycroft, or writing The Hounds of Baskerville for instance... ;)

- The Ghost episode... It started out as really, really boring. Just like in Cold War, I spent most of my time browsing my S3 while keeping an eye on the TV. Well, it got a bit better when the Doctor started going through all eras, it was a fun moment, and his rescue was nice as well. Okay, I thought, not a bad episode this time... Phew. Except that for some reason, the writer decided it would be really, really smart to cram everything he could think of into the end of the episode, so we have: (1) a Tardis who speaks for the first time since The Doctor's Wife, but NOT to say anything remotely interesting, (2) a Tardis that refuses to go into the pocket universe (when was the last time she jumped into one of those..? Ah, yes, The Doctor's Wife...), but suddenly makes the jump without any issues, and then later in the episode does it AGAIN, long after the first time, even though she said the universe was going to disappear any moment now... (Don't tell me she went back to the past, it's a cop-out.) (3) a monster that, for no reason whatsoever, is separated from his wife, or girlfriend, or whatever, but nothing is explained about how it went into the pocket universe, or why the other monster is in a castle wing, or even why nobody noticed that before, except for the Doctor of course... (4) a time traveller who keeps doing uncomfortable smiles, and a doctor who never, ever points out that he's going to take her back to her time... Actually, does he even plan to do that..? Or does he intend to leave her be, with, err... Her ancestor..?! (5) That's all I can remember, but I know there were more, when I watched the episode...

So, overall, I find these to be the weakest three episodes in a row, since the early seasons. Very disappointed, as I said. Hopefully, next week's episode will be a bit better, at least, the subject is interesting, if anything...
But really, I'm waiting for the last two episodes mostly -- Neil Gaiman's episode, forever in love with your works man!, and Moffat's episode, especially because of the episode name...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 27th, 2013, 11:54 PM
Any good? Will watch this Monday as usual...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 27th, 2013, 11:59 PM
I dunno. There were some interesting ideas, some serious callbacks for the fans if you have been paying attention.

But we had half an hour of build-up and a massive mash-up of stuff at the end that didn't entirely make sense combined with what amounts to Deus Ex Reboot at the end. Basically about par for the course for this season.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 28th, 2013, 04:11 PM
I agree with the I09 review, completely

additionally...
This season has been terrible.\
Moffat is a terrible writer
Matt Smith's doctor is just plain mean and dislikable.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 28th, 2013, 04:19 PM
So far Moffat wrote: Asylum of the Daleks, The Angels Take Manhattan, The Snowmen (the Christmas special), The Bells of Saint John and will write the season finale.

I've not *disliked* any of the episodes we've had, as such, but I have felt a little let down by them. We have another Mark Gatiss episode, then the Neil Gaiman episode, then the season finale, with the 50th anniversary episode in November. (I thought season 8 was going to run up to the 50th, but apparently not, the 8th series is supposed to start filming in September)

Moffat is a great writer when he's not trying to be too clever, cf. Sherlock, the Silence in the Library, Blink. But this... I don't know where this is going and it's repeating season 6 - a season of disjointed items that don't make a lot of sense on their own but make much more sense when tied together.

Eleven is certainly getting darker and there was a moment when he just turned bad-ass in this episode. I have never seen him do that kind of blackmail on anyone, even immoral characters. Certainly, Seven did some similar stuff but not like that.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 29th, 2013, 12:27 AM
angels take Manhattan had more of that silly "time as magic" crap.

Asylum was pretty good... the Clara in that episode was cool...   and she was even cooler in the Snowmen.
I dunno...  Looking back, I don't think I liked the Bells very much at all.

All in all, I dislike what they have done with Clara as a permanent character.
I dislike what they are doing to the doctor (intensely!)
I have not liked the episodes themselves.... I think I see where they are going with the uber-plot... and if I am right I have only a partial acceptance of the crap they are paving the path with.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 29th, 2013, 06:54 PM
Entertainment-wise, I found last weekend's episode to be much nicer than the crap before it. It was a bit closer to the Bells episode, which still remains the best in this half-season, which says a lot about the overall quality... :-/

However, once you leave entertainment aside and start considering the story, and the 'logic' behind it, it's an absolute mess... It tends to contradict itself, and indeed I think it's unfair that the Doctor keeps saying it's impossible to rewrite a timeline and/or meet his past self, and then do it very conveniently when he's trying to right his own wrongs... (What did these bros do to him, really..?!)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 29th, 2013, 07:09 PM
He didn't rewrite his own timeline. He already visited it to start with. But when you have a hole in the TARDIS, anything's possible anyway.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on April 29th, 2013, 08:59 PM
Doesn't change the fact that it lacks logic to me...

I'm a sucker for time travel and stuff; I should have loved this episode, in fact I only liked it. Probably because, if I wanted to watch an 'episode about travelling inside the TARDIS', I'd rather re-watch The Doctor's Wife a hundred times...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 30th, 2013, 04:30 AM
Yes!

The Doctor's Wife had many of the same things that this episode (or this 1/2 season) had.. but was 10,000 times better written, better acted and better done.

We had a TARDIS who talked, running through hallways in the TARDIS with weird things happening and the halls and time misbehaving, and no silly need for a time-hole.

And WTF... why would anyone ever have a "basic mode" with the shield turned off?   Doesn't that scream "ultimate user mode" to you?
(actually, why would the tardis had a basic mod anyway? Idiots like turlough learned to fly the tardis just fine.... (well, at least as well as the doctor))

Also... do you notice that they seem to have completely forgotten about the whole "the tardis was in the repair dock when I borrowed her, and I've never quite gotten around to fixing it"


-edit- fixed some typos noticed in the quotes. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 30th, 2013, 04:38 AM
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And WTF... why would anyone ever have a "basic mode" with the shield turned off?   Doesn't that scream "ultimate user mode" to you?
Debug mode.
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Idiots like turlough learned to fly the tardis just fine.... (well, at leats as well as the doctor))
Turlough wasn't human and was intimated on more than one occasion to be much closer to Time Lord intelligence than human intelligence anyway.
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lso... do you notice that they seem to have completely forgotten about the whole "the tardis was in the repair docs when I borrowed her, and I've never quite gotten around to fixing it"
The extent of 'required repairs' has never been entirely established, though intimated to be 'for the dodgy chameleon circuit' for the most part. I'm not sure how old the Third Doctor was, but certainly he was trying to do more repairs than just fixing the chameleon circuit, albeit with limited knowledge due to Time Lord intervention.


I think part of the problem is that they have more flexibility in terms of what they can do now. It's well known that having constraints to what you do makes you get more creative in solving them.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on April 30th, 2013, 06:41 AM
there was the dodgy chameleon circuit which had the tardis stuck as a police box (although he did apparently get the invisibility circuit working - at least for the one "silence" epsiode)

but we also, through all doctors til the present have the tardis randomly heading off on whatever location tweaked her fancy. Only recently has the doctore actually gotten some decent control over where he takes the ship. :)

and yeah.. debug mode...   which should never be used by anyone except the developers. :)
(and ok...   I'll go back further - Jamie could fly the damned thing!)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on April 30th, 2013, 03:52 PM
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Only recently has the doctore actually gotten some decent control over where he takes the ship.
Not entirely. I give you this:
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The Doctor: You know, since we're talking with mouths, not really an opportunity that comes along very often, I just wanna say, you know, you have never been very reliable.
Idris: And you have?
The Doctor: You didn't always take me where I wanted to go.
Idris: No, but I always took you where you needed to go.
As far as flying goes, Rose has flown the TARDIS, so has River, but both have special circumstances. Don't forget Captain Avery seemed to have a pretty intuitive grasp too.

Clara is different, though. There have already been multiple remarks that the TARDIS doesn't like Clara (though not, apparently, as much as it disliked the immortal Captain Jack the first time they met)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: YogiBear on May 2nd, 2013, 09:47 PM
Rumour has it the developers of Wedge are secretly also building a time machine so as to re-write the history of the internet. :whistle:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 2nd, 2013, 10:05 PM
I'd like to know where that rumour is coming from, so I can put a stop to it before it starts :whistle:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 5th, 2013, 06:04 PM
I think I heard about it in the last season of Fringe.

Oh, I've always heard that the latest Who was better than the crap we have in the weeks before..?
(Anything with Neve McIntosh is bound to be good anyway... She was my favorite character in Gormenghast :P)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 5th, 2013, 06:45 PM
I haven't actually seen it yet, I was out all day yesterday.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 6th, 2013, 04:53 PM
Liked the episode.
Wasn't great or anything, but I really, really liked that you don't get to see the Doctor until halfway through the episode. And no Clara until... Well, even later. Proving that we don't need them that much... I want a spin-off around these characters!! :lol:

Wasn't hard to achieve, with his poor track record on Who[1], but still: this is Mark Gatis's best Who episode -- ever. Wondering how much of it was written by Moffat[2]... :lol:
 1. Not on Sherlock, though!
 2. Given that he wrote a few one-liners for the Gaiman episode last year, too... "It's like kissing, but there's a winner"...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 6th, 2013, 04:56 PM
I still haven't seen this episode, and probably won't until tonight, but calling it Mark Gatiss' best DW episode is probably not a stretch, he's only written The Unquiet Dead (season 1), The Idiot's Lantern (season 2), Victory of the Daleks (season 5), Night Terrors (season 6) and Cold War (season 7 part 1) before this, all of which were passable but nothing amazing (though, The Unquiet Dead, is probably the best of *those*)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on May 6th, 2013, 09:42 PM
I liked it.  It's the first episode of this half-season that I think I actually liked.
(the opener wasn't bad, but I was disappointed in Clara's lack of spunk in that one)

This one was good.
The secondary characters from Victorian England were fun.
The confusion about "Clara" was well done...
and the ending "hanger" was better than the rest of the season put together...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on May 9th, 2013, 08:53 PM
given how terrible some of the doctor who spin offs have been, I'm not sure it would work...   but I'd like to see them try a spin-off with the virtorian crew. :)


I am desparately looking forward to this weekend's episode!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 11th, 2013, 05:12 AM
So, I got around to watching the Crimson Horror.

It's what DW did best, horror with a touch of humour. And the callback to Tegan ("I spent a long time trying to get a stroppy Australian back to Heathrow Apriport") made me laugh as well as Strax being, well, Strax. ("Horse, you have failed in your mission!" "Do you have any final words before your summary execution... usual story. That's the fourth this week, and I'm not even hungry.")[1] and as for Thomas Thomas reciting the directions like a satnav.[2]

And actually, I think a spinoff with Madame Vastra and Jenny would work really well. The SJ Adventures was supposed to be a for-kids version and it didn't really have a lot going for it beyond that, though I did watch a couple (like Death of the Doctor, that was pretty good), and Torchwood was good to start with but went downhill after they kill Owen and Tosh in season 2. Once they started to get dark and cynical and too drama heavy with season length arcs (i.e. CoE and even more lamentably MD) it lost what made it Torchwood.
 1. No doubt a reference to the horsemeat scandal.
 2. TomTom is a major brand of satnav here.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 12th, 2013, 12:08 AM
+1 with your post, obviously...

So, I watched Gaiman's episode... And was utterly disappointed.
Not on the same level as The Doctor's Wife... Not even as good as last week's episode.
I don't know what was the point of the episode... So, he wanted to write a Cyberman episode? Cool. He wanted to have some likeable characters come from out of nowhere, like in TDW? Cool... But did he really have to barely give them a minute of screen time before we switch again and again to the Doctor's boring shouts and Clara's so-fascinating impossible-girl mysteries?

I don't care that she's impossible... She's just NOT that special to me. Bring me back River Song -- any time. Especially next week.

I'm afraid this is the weakest streak of episodes since, hmm... Season 2 or something.
And I absolutely adore Neil Gaiman. I think he's a great guy, too. I'm just so disappointed he wrote an episode that didn't add anything to the Doctor's mythos. It seems like a waste of his time... :-/
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on May 12th, 2013, 12:43 AM
Hmm, I actually rather enjoyed this week's episode, but the internet appears to be split on it. The guys over at SFX even go as far(http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/05/11/doctor-who-7-12-nightmare-in-silver-review/) as to say 'what comes around, goes around' when it concerns the Cybermen: they appear to have become more like the Borg in that they now appear to be operated through a central entity instead of just a hive mind.

Dunno, I just tried to not get too annoyed by the children present in the episode and managed to just enjoy the episode. Sure, it's not as good as The Doctor's Wife, but better than many of this series' episodes by far (which, unfortunately, doesn't say much).

The SFX guys are really into(http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/05/11/doctor-who-the-name-of-the-doctor-spoiler-free-preview/) next week's episode though, and considering their reviews of this season so far, that's something.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 12th, 2013, 03:52 PM
Good then, eh eh...

Well, my disappointment over yesterday's episode was certainly due to my fanboyism. I know for a fact that I was very appreciative to have Warwick Davies in the episode, he's just so cool.
I liked having the Being Human baddie from season 2 in the episode, too, but he was far too under-developed... Really, his main scene *was* the Gaimanesque part of the episode. The rest felt like "the mandatory Cybermen story" to me.
It's not so often that I like the beginning of a Who episode better than the rest, but there it is.

Oh, I also inadvertently read a spoiler about the 50th anniversary special... If you're adamant NOT to be spoiled, then follow my advice: do not, ever, attempt to read a John Hurt interview, or any news article related to John Hurt in this episode. He gave a huge bit away without consideration for Moffat, and it was obviously not a good idea... (I don't mind spoilers too much, so I don't really mind this one either; I just think that some of you might be upset about it.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on May 13th, 2013, 06:24 PM
Ok...  so, I watched it last night and I was pissed. I almost hated it. I ceretainly did not like it...

and I have gone back to HATING Matt Smith's Doctor.

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He was so pleased during one of the little vignette interviews about how he decided to handle switching between the doctor and the cyber-version  --- and I despised it. It was stupid and it was annoying.

The kids were completely wasted.
The little girl was a twit most of the time, the boy was completely forgetable and they both spent much of the epsidoe, standing, staring at nothing and contributing nothing.

When the cyber-thing had control of the doctor, he started to tell us (and Clara) something about Clara...   THAT information could have justified the absolute stupidity of the rest of the "fighting for control" scenes... but no....  they didn't give us anything more than we already know.

And I utterly DESPISE the route they seem to be taking about the Doctor being in love with Clara. It failed miserably for the Doctor and Rose episodes...  how the **** do they think the fans are going to approve of it now 9especially since most fans have been annoyed as hell at the dreck they have been fed this second half-season so far)

(the only good thing in the episode was that Calra gets to smack the Doctor around yet again... (I am actually beinging to wonder about the amount of hitting that has been applied to the Doctor from Clara on in this season, it seems to be a very Masochistic relationship being developed)



I am SO disappointed in Neil Gaimen for this episode.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 13th, 2013, 06:52 PM
Still, as far as "half-season epic fail" go, Doctor Who has nothing against the last few episodes of Once Upon a Time... :^^;: Now that was some failure. They pretty much jumped the shark with the Pinocchio episode... Hopefully the writers were drunk, or something.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 13th, 2013, 06:57 PM
Are you talking about the first or second season of OUaT? I thought actually that the tying up of season one with Pinocchio was quite smoothly done actually.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on May 15th, 2013, 12:18 AM
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Okay, Doctor Who team, you have my attention.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 19th, 2013, 11:13 AM
Quote from Arantor on May 13th, 2013, 06:57 PM
Are you talking about the first or second season of OUaT? I thought actually that the tying up of season one with Pinocchio was quite smoothly done actually.
Pinocchio in season 1 was okay, whatever. But the actor never got along with the rest of the team, so they wanted to get rid of him, which they did by killing him off... In that absolutely ridiculous scene. The whole episode was bad anyway...

Okay, that Doctor Who..? I started it, and it's looking VERY bad. Shall I continue..?!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 19th, 2013, 03:31 PM
Yes. Yes you should.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 19th, 2013, 03:49 PM
I watched it, BTW, and wasn't fully thrilled... too much, too soon. Or too late. depends on what you were expecting.

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Plus, I got spoiled with Hurt being the 9th, so, whatever...

Maybe I've seen too many silly twists these last few weeks, with OuaT and Elementary... why can't they go soft, like Homeland and TWD did..?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on May 20th, 2013, 05:52 AM
Just watched the season finale of Doctor Who. I hated it.
I have to say, it epitomized everything that I hated about this season.
Moffat pisses me off (in one interview during the show he comments "When you are a writer, you have to like your ideas. It doesn't matter if anyone else likes them, if the writer likes the idea, he can make everyone else like it.")
And I fear this is exactly what went wrong with the second half of this season. Moffat and Smith were over-pleased with their own cleverness without taking into account the fact that their details SUCKED.

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Matt Smith commented that he thought that the whisper men would be "this season's monster". I could not disagree more. The whisper men were a joke and the Great Intelligence was there just to explain Clara's existence. Way to waste a villain!
How the TARDIS came to the Doctor has already been explained several times - without some wussy Clara's influence. At leats the explanation in The Doctor's Wife fit with established canon.
We've seen other time lords die without creating a huge rip in the fabric of time...
Even the old doctor flashbacks were wasted, IMO.
Overall - with very few exceptions, this season was so much of a waste that I am questioning if I want to even bother watching next season

 I disliked Matt Smith from the beginning of his tenure. At the start of this season, I was starting to come around and rated him not as bad as I first thought. However, after the second half of this season, I have returned to my original belief that Matt Smith is probably the worst Doctor in the series (and yes, I include Colin Baker in that comparison)
And the "cliff hanger" just pissed me off even more...

actually... this one episode even had me hating River Song (who was probably my favorite female character in the revitalized series).

ARGH!!!!!!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on May 20th, 2013, 06:06 AM
I have a different outlook on it to you. I liked it. But yes, I would agree that it wasn't as epic as it could have been, seemed to me to have a lot of great ideas that were so underutilised.

Colin Baker is only really lamentable in respect of the writing; it isn't him, as such, it's the way he was written, though Trial of a Time Lord did sort of redeem it a little to me.

Actually, what happened in terms of Clara/TARDIS/One isn't inconsistent with canon. It takes a liberty with it, but it doesn't change its substance. But it was a less than brilliant piece of storytelling.

What I will say is that this episode had an awful lot of callbacks for the fans, and it was definitely trying to be too clever for its own good. But I liked it, all in all. There were some interesting ideas never explored before, but some of the best ideas they had do actually violate canon to a point.

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The idea of the TARDIS dying and leaking the 'bigger on the inside' to the outside does not fit with canon. It's the first time this has ever been mentioned, and contradicts what Nine said to Rose as part of Emergency Program One when it took her off the Dalek craft, that she should just leave the TARDIS there, and no-one will notice it and it'll just become part of the world. I think people would notice.

As for the aforementioned female character... yes, she was annoying. Yes, given canon she wasn't quite who she was, but that doesn't give her the right to be annoying.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on May 29th, 2013, 12:04 PM
At least, I was glad seeing her in a non-Pond episode again...

Here's hoping it wasn't her last episode. It has no reason to be, after all there are still a few events she referred to that we didn't see... AFAIK. And even then -- I'm still of the opinion that she can be saved back from the library. It must be so boring, being in that program like, forever...

Last week, French TV was showing an episode from the first half of season 7. While watching it (and it was by far my least favorite episode of that half, the Dinosaurs one), I couldn't help thinking that the show really only lost its appeal to me *after* the Christmas break. Or maybe I was simply too much in love with the Ponds, I don't know... Rory, I miss you so much. We need your character. Maybe he got duplicated, at some point, through a wizzly-timey-boo machine that we never heard about? Why not...

Thinking about it... Maybe the next episode, since it has both Rose and 10th, will actually star the human version of 10th..? Hmm, no, they probably wouldn't have done that thing with the "real 9th" otherwise, I guess.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on June 1st, 2013, 11:33 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Matt-Smith-to-leave-Doctor-Who

Well, that settles that...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on June 2nd, 2013, 12:18 AM
Great. I liked him but i miss a slower, more human doctor.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: YogiBear on June 2nd, 2013, 12:43 AM
I heard the news tonight on BBC Radio 4.  :sob: I wonder who'll replace him.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on June 7th, 2013, 03:16 AM
........   and there was much rejoicing (yay)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on June 7th, 2013, 03:19 AM
In the frozen land of Nador they were forced to eat Robin's minstrels.  And there was much rejoicing.


Yeah, I liked Smith, I liked the way season 5 was done, and the way he played it. Season 6... not so much but I still liked the way he played it. But season 7... meh. I'm kind of sorry he's going, but I'm somewhat ambivalent about Who at the moment. I have to say given the way things are with me, I was never going to look favourably on season 7, no matter what happened.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 4th, 2013, 09:45 PM
So the new Doctor has been announced. Interesting choice.

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Peter Capaldi - the father of the family from The Fires of Pompeii, also the governmental minister in TW: Children of Earth who shoots his own family rather than let them be taken by the aliens. Will be interesting to see if they ignore the canonicity of the actor being in it before... sure, the Doctor didn't participate in CoE and so never met him but interesting to see if they tie it up with The Fires of Pompeii in some fashion or not.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on August 4th, 2013, 09:54 PM
yeah....  I dunno.   We'll have to see him in the role

Honestly, as it stands with the clips that I have seen, I can't quite picture him.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 4th, 2013, 10:00 PM
I actually can, having seen him in other stuff too. After series 7's somewhat lukewarm reception with me, I'm actually excited about this.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 4th, 2013, 10:54 PM
Oh... I remembered him as soon as I saw the picture.
I didn't remember he was both in FoP (which also had Amy!) and CoE, but I've got to say, he was hands down my favorite character of CoE, the only reason I don't hate that series.

Excited with the choice. Plus, they're finally giving up on youngsters, I was kinda afraid they'd cast a kid next, eheh.
Posted: August 4th, 2013, 10:23 PM

Oh, silly me, he was also in The thick of it... I watched part of the movie, but I stopped early because I realized I probably should watch the show before the movie, but then I forgot about it.
He's been everywhere, eheh...

Interestingly, some of the other final contenders for the role were Ben Daniels (Tristan in Merlin season 4, basically a nice Daniel Craig lookalike, charismatic on his own terms), and Andrew Scott, aka Moriarty. As much as I'd love to see more of Scott, I can't say I could picture him as none other than Moriarty... He totally owned that part, and I guess, like most people, I want to see him be crazy in his own way, not the Doctor's way ;)
Still, I'd probably have voted for Capaldi, so all is good!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on August 6th, 2013, 01:00 AM
Very excited about it indeed! Bit disappointing to realise we still have to wait about a year until we can finally see him in the role...

In the mean time, there's this: http://youtu.be/5Blf073f2Lc
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Kindred on August 6th, 2013, 02:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Hxjl6AlTM#ws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOfb9CX1_vo#ws
(although I already knew most of those "facts" - and I have watched every episode - well, every episode that still exists)

This one is more fun.... ComicCon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baKRTNmQlD4#ws
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Drunken Clam on August 6th, 2013, 09:46 AM
Found this in my local newspaper.....
Straw Dalek(http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/35ft-straw-dalek-unveiled-snugburys-5407929)

 :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 6th, 2013, 11:18 PM
The youtube-nocookie embeds above don't work on my Chrome Mobile... Scary. Here's wondering, is it the domain name's fault, or something else..?
(PS: what's in these videos anyway..?)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 7th, 2013, 02:15 AM
Interesting that youtube-nocookie doesn't work in Chrome, especially as they work fine in Mobile Safari - so it's pretty much a Chrome/Android thing?

The video content for the first two is a collection of interesting random trivia about DW, like the fact that the BBC obtained the trademark to the police box from the Metropolitan police in 2002 even though none of the outer designs ever exactly matched it. Or that the whole chameleon circuit failure was an easy way to avoid having a different huge prop every four episodes (back in the early days)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on August 7th, 2013, 04:33 PM
Had a look on my desktop. Thanks!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Drunken Clam on August 13th, 2013, 11:06 PM
Best Google Street View easter egg ever! (Click the arrows leading to the police box) https://t.co/ekXvYt8njf

(Only works on the 'old' google maps!) :ph34r:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Arantor on August 13th, 2013, 11:17 PM
Not exactly an Easter Egg... that's Earl's Court. When the DW Experience was at Olympia (which is next to Earl's Court), they had that there for promotional purposes. As for the business listing, I'm not sure that's an easter egg either but actually set up intentionally. Could be wrong though ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Drunken Clam on August 14th, 2013, 09:10 AM
Quote from Arantor on August 13th, 2013, 11:17 PM
Not exactly an Easter Egg...
That was my take also, but I just cut and pasted the link! ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 14th, 2013, 03:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo#ws

Well, that exceeded my wildest expectations. Bloody brilliant, very exciting stuff. Good times indeed.

PS: @Nao, auto-embedding doesn't seem to work with https.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 15th, 2013, 12:23 AM
When you mean it doesn't work; did you post that same URL, just with the https added? Did it try to show anything, or just the URL..?
It's fixable, of course.

As for the episode, it was fantastic indeed! I never saw the Dr Who TV movie from '96 or so, and I was very impressed with this guy's performance. In less than 7 minutes, and without as much of an 'emotional' scene, he managed to make me feel for him.
Oh, and the younger John Hurt... It does remind me a bit of his Caligula in I, Claudius -- just without the blond hair, of course! :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 15th, 2013, 01:13 PM
Re: HTTPS, I just added some code to Aeva so that it supports https links on any websites. Saving me the hassle of modifying all links ;)
Will only work when refreshing the site cache, though (e.g. add then remove a site in the site list through the admin.)

Not enabled here for now. Where can I find https links at youtube?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 15th, 2013, 04:44 PM
Oh, the usual. I use 'HTTPS Everywhere' in Firefox, so all YouTube urls are using https instead of http for me. The only difference is the protocol that prefixes the url. :)

As for the TV movie... It's rather silly (if not awful) story-wise, but Paul McGann's performance is superb. Loved him in the few audio novels I've listened to, too.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 15th, 2013, 05:09 PM
Quote from Aaron on November 15th, 2013, 04:44 PM
Oh, the usual. I use 'HTTPS Everywhere' in Firefox, so all YouTube urls are using https instead of http for me. The only difference is the protocol that prefixes the url. :)
So, I guess my fix should work...

Test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAorE6Jk9Pk#ws

Yup, it did get the https URL, and turned it into http at cache time. Is that okay with you..?
Quote from Aaron on November 15th, 2013, 04:44 PM
As for the TV movie... It's rather silly (if not awful) story-wise, but Paul McGann's performance is superb. Loved him in the few audio novels I've listened to, too.
Then I guess it's surprising he didn't get the part in the remake.
If anything, his performance in here seems to me like a bit of a mix between Eccleston and Tennant. Maybe I'm mistaken, but... :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 15th, 2013, 09:02 PM
Probably because by 2005, Big Finish had already done loads of audio adventures with him. Returning him proper in the TV series, without effectively retconning all he's done in the audio series, would involve quite a few issues with copyright, I guess. That, and the copyright for the TV movie is technically with Fox, I'm told.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: colby67 on November 16th, 2013, 12:33 PM
I must admit the older series doesn't hold that fascination with me as the 2005 onwards episodes. Child of my age and all that lol, but the reboot did spur new life in the series for a reason. Still, fun occasionally of course.

I want that new Bluray release with season 1-7 (2005-2012) in 720/1080p though,preferably for Christmas but we'll see.. :D . Having those seasons in HD will be awesome.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 16th, 2013, 11:23 PM
Quote from Bloc on November 16th, 2013, 12:33 PM
I must admit the older series doesn't hold that fascination with me as the 2005 onwards episodes.
I suppose you'd have to be British, and have seen the show when you were a kid on a Saturday afternoon.
Just like I'm a diehard fan of Saint Seiya, which is a silly show, but I watched it as a kid, and there's no better soundtrack than this for me, and no better character-design, and no better nekketsu, and no better handling of Norse mythology (okay, it's pretty much alone in that area), etc. When watching old episodes now, I have to say I'd understand that newcomers would find the show to be boring or overdone or just plain ridiculous. But to me, it's just the perfect, ideal, forever-best anime I can think of.
Quote from Bloc on November 16th, 2013, 12:33 PM
Child of my age and all that lol, but the reboot did spur new life in the series for a reason. Still, fun occasionally of course.
I don't know, I never got around to watching an *entire* arc of the old show. I tried Genesis of the Daleks and it was boring as hell. I tried Pyramids of Mars and the costumes were too damn laughable. I tried really, really hard with City of Death (as it's set in Paris, is written by Douglas Adams and has a bit part with John Cleese), but as soon as the episode starts, you have to go through five minutes of a ridiculous alien in his spacecraft and cheap SFX. Come on.

Eye of the beholder, eh.
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I want that new Bluray release with season 1-7 (2005-2012) in 720/1080p though,preferably for Christmas but we'll see.. :D . Having those seasons in HD will be awesome.
Really, they're releasing the first seasons in HD..? But they were all shot in 4/3 480p to begin with, weren't they..?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: colby67 on November 17th, 2013, 12:21 AM
Yes, but the material have been re-digitized because the quality IS better, judging from some illegal copies I found on the net(..). At least to 720p, I don't think its possible to do proper 1080p, you start seeing the tweening pixels then. But then again, resizing techniques have come a long way since..well, forever.

http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/doctor-who-complete-series-1-7-comes-to-blu-ray/

Heh, it seems 1080p is whats being offered, the one I found was "only" 720p. Me wants :D
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I don't know, I never got around to watching an *entire* arc of the old show. I tried Genesis of the Daleks and it was boring as hell. I tried Pyramids of Mars and the costumes were too damn laughable. I tried really, really hard with City of Death (as it's set in Paris, is written by Douglas Adams and has a bit part with John Cleese), but as soon as the episode starts, you have to go through five minutes of a ridiculous alien in his spacecraft and cheap SFX. Come on.

Eye of the beholder, eh.
Exactly. Doctor Who is always a bit camp, funny props etc. but the old ones is often just well, too silly and distracting. Heightening the series up to proper effects - but still doing the goofy effects here and there - really made it interesting. You know its all fun - but it has some threads of facts/dilemmas/paradox in them. An example, the future episodes in almost every seasons 2005 onwards..always something about society that is brought up, often common themes in serious sci-fi literature/films(NOT the Star Wars/Star Trek stuff).

And the brits do have advantage in this area, they can really combine that seriousness with goofy/dark humour. And if done good, even frightening so. A fav of mine in that respect is the movie "Children of Men".
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: nolsilang on November 19th, 2013, 04:18 AM
If anyone want to read Doctor Who in their reader you can download them here : http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006q2x0/features/stories

It's all short stories though...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2013, 09:24 AM
Quote from Bloc on November 17th, 2013, 12:21 AM
Yes, but the material have been re-digitized because the quality IS better, judging from some illegal copies I found on the net(..). At least to 720p, I don't think its possible to do proper 1080p, you start seeing the tweening pixels then. But then again, resizing techniques have come a long way since..well, forever.
I've never seen/heard of a 720p copy of an Eccleston or Tennant production around. Which one(s) are you thinking of..?
As for upscaling, all of the BluRay upscales I've seen in my life were horrible. Oh, my, my eyes still ache at the thought of Blue Submarine 6... Was such a great show, and so proud of its tech advancements at the time (it was one of the first anime to (clumsily) integrate 3D), and the BluRay release is just a resized 480p. Really, I have yet to see a proper upscale that 'guesses' intermediate pixels instead of interpolating them. Any examples..?

Thankfully, not all re-releases are badly done. For instance, one of my favorite movies -- "Waga seishun no Arcadia" (I'm sure you saw it(http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitan_Harlock_-_L%27Arcadia_della_mia_giovinezza) as a kid) is absolutely stunning in its 720p remastered edition.
Quote from Bloc on November 17th, 2013, 12:21 AM
An example, the future episodes in almost every seasons 2005 onwards..always something about society that is brought up, often common themes in serious sci-fi literature/films(NOT the Star Wars/Star Trek stuff).
Star Trek is way more attuned with society issues than Doctor Who has never been, AFAIK.
I don't mean to say Doctor Who is not, or was never relevant societally. But Star Trek, while it came later, pioneered the whole concept of using alien civilizations to represent human dystopias.
Quote from Bloc on November 17th, 2013, 12:21 AM
And the brits do have advantage in this area, they can really combine that seriousness with goofy/dark humour. And if done good, even frightening so. A fav of mine in that respect is the movie "Children of Men".
I don't see CoM has having any kind of humour, but then again, maybe I never understood Cuaron's cinema... :lol: (Come to think of it, maybe Little Princess was a parody, rather than an appalling travesty of a Disney-like adaptation of a nice, rough children's book. I could never have guessed that guy would go on to make CoM, Gravity and HP3.)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 22nd, 2013, 12:51 PM
Today's Google Doodle is... interesting ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 23rd, 2013, 01:09 AM
And have you seen Marc Gatiss's docudrama yet? Titled "An Adventure In Space And Time", it depicts the early days of Doctor Who in 90 minutes. Very well and respectfully done.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2013, 09:01 AM
It was a biopic not a docudrama ;)
And yes, very nicely done. It tended to drag here and there, but overall we thoroughly enjoyed it. There was an unexpected cameo too. I also enjoyed the poat-credits extras. :)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 23rd, 2013, 01:25 PM
It was full of cameos! Carole Ann Ford played a grandmother, William Russell played the security guard at the beginning... I'm pretty sure I spotted Mark Gatiss in the background somewhere, too. I should watch it a second time, I guess. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2013, 02:50 PM
Quote from Aaron on November 23rd, 2013, 01:25 PM
It was full of cameos! Carole Ann Ford played a grandmother,
I missed that. I only noticed her in the post-credits.
Quote from Aaron on November 23rd, 2013, 01:25 PM
William Russell played the security guard at the beginning... I'm pretty sure I spotted Mark Gatiss in the background somewhere, too. I should watch it a second time, I guess. :P
Yeah, eh eh.

Okay, what time is the episode going to shown at, in the UK? And in the Netherlands it's being shown too, I guess..?
Because here in France, it's at 20:05 (8:05PM), so that's the equivalent of 19:05 in the UK I think, and from what I can see, their theater showings are at either 19:30 or 19:50..?! Does that mean we're getting the episode before everyone else? I don't think so :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2013, 07:15 PM
Actually, the 20:05 time is a re-run of The Name of the Doctor. It didn't click with me, with all these 'The ... of the Doctor' in recent days, so I just accepted it as the new episode. The Day of the Doctor, itself, will be shown at 20:50, so indeed, that's the same time as the UK showtime. Glad I cleared that up, eheh.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 23rd, 2013, 10:09 PM
A most excellent episode indeed!

And the direction for the next season is at last something more interesting than endless prophecies ;)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 24th, 2013, 01:38 PM
- I've taken the liberty to move the topic to the public area. There's nothing to hide in it, and I wanted to celebrate page 42 on a geeky topic. Whatever.[1]

- I rewatched bits of the episode. I have to say, the French translator of Doctor Who does a really bad job. And she's being paid for that, I guess. Yesterday I saw a Big Bang Theory episode on French TV where Raj was saying he'd always be known as the guy who got a girlfriend *after* Sheldon. The subtitles read, 'as the guy who got fooled by Sheldon'. Oh, my. Seriously, I'm appreciative that French TV is starting to show original language versions with subtitles everywhere, but sometimes, I can really do without subs of that 'quality'... As a result, I had to fetch the BBC subtitles, and that was better.

So, basically, the French translation made it very clear that the Curator wasn't the Doctor. What I heard, and it was confirmed by the English subtitles, is that he IS the Doctor, at a very old age, 'revisiting' his old favorite faces. Holy cow...
The whole 'sand shoes' thing was also translated as 'baskets', which is French for 'atheltic shoes'. It isn't the same at all, is it..?! In France, we'd just say Converses. Plus his shoes in the episode were definitely not what we'd call baskets in France. More like 'tennis' (I need to have a better look to confirm). Or again, Converses. That kind of approximative translation happened all the time during the episode, it was a bit frustrating.

- A short 18-second deleted scene was also released on YouTube, but I didn't get the 'not since Richmond' line, so I guess the joke fell flat to me.

- I read criticism about the fact that Moffat often offers a deus-ex-machina to resolve his stories. That's true. That was the case here. But how many times have you watched a procedural where we find out at the last minute that the killer was someone we could never have expected because of a clue that the writer never told us about..? That's exactly the same. As long as it's a fun ride, it doesn't matter how it ends.

- All in all, it was a great episode, possibly the best in years (mostly thanks to all of the great cameos.)
 1. Heck, there's nothing to hide in 99% of the private area. It was only 'private' because Wedge was a private project at the time. I would move everything to public, but I don't think I can do that on a whim. Especially as it may put Pete in a bad position with SMF, considering all he said about them... :whistle:
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: forumsearch0r on November 24th, 2013, 04:16 PM
Hmm. I missed it (was on a party yesterday), but it seems I should watch it now. I could avoid all spoilers (except the previous mini-episode) until today. :ph34r:

(Good thing this is on a new page...)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Aaron on November 24th, 2013, 05:47 PM
It was pretty brilliant, wasn't it? I know I loved it to bits. :P Have to wonder what happened to the Zygons, actually! Great to see them again, though!
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 24th, 2013, 06:08 PM
@forumsearch0r, you'll be hard pressed to avoid spoilers for this, as everyone who's interested in this has probably already watched it by now, since it was simulcast all over the world. ;)

@Aaron> I'm guessing, well... Maybe, just maybe, their planet wasn't destroyed in the time war in the end? (Assuming it was close to Gallifrey and was caught up in the explosion, or something?) I don't remember how it was told. Anyway, last we saw of them, they were 'negotiating' with the Humans, but I doubt this means they gave them land underground, because there are already lizards in there. :P
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: forumsearch0r on November 24th, 2013, 07:25 PM
Now, while watching it: I surely missed David, obviously. Too bad Christopher's missing though.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 25th, 2013, 08:53 AM
Quote from Bloc on November 17th, 2013, 12:21 AM
http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/doctor-who-complete-series-1-7-comes-to-blu-ray/

Heh, it seems 1080p is whats being offered, the one I found was "only" 720p. Me wants :D
Had a quick look online, and it's so obviously an upscale, it's not even funny.
It just looks like the print quality for the TV re-runs I've been seeing on France4 a few months ago for series 1. That is, "DVD quality, but a tad better."
Nothing to run home for...
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: colby67 on November 25th, 2013, 06:36 PM
Sadly I agreed - got a hold of the actual files and its upscaled alright.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 25th, 2013, 09:43 PM
So, it's not even as good as the files you saw flying around earlier..?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: colby67 on November 25th, 2013, 10:26 PM
Well, partly - the season 2 file I saw earlier was/is slightly better than the normal 480p I had from before, could even pass for a inferior 720p...but seeing the first season now it its clear that its just upscaled resolutions all the way.

At least its nice to see the old episodes again, reminded me really how very accidentally I stumbled over it. Saw a episode from season 3 believing it was a straight comedy, and realized not. :D Then playing catch-up in season 1-3, and from there on following as they came out.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: forumsearch0r on November 26th, 2013, 01:55 AM
Season 1 (from the 2005 series) already is pure comedy. Everything after the boring love movie from '96 is. (Except the very few slightly serious episodes, like "Blink".)
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Dalek: I will talk to the Doctor.
The Doctor: Oh, will you? That's nice. Hello!
:D

(Basically, I just LOL'd quite loudly(https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/1717863) at "The Day of the Doctor". "Got a name?" "Yes." "Good, I've always wanted to meet someone called Yes." - Heh heh.)

I'm positive that "DW" is meant to be serious science-fiction :whistle: but...(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu1_AguulJ8#ws)
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: colby67 on November 26th, 2013, 07:14 AM
Basically you are just saying the same as I did then. I said its not "straight comedy" and its not. If it had been I would have lost interest anyway.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: forumsearch0r on November 26th, 2013, 11:15 AM
You're not into irony, are you?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: colby67 on November 26th, 2013, 01:13 PM
Nope, I prefer straight talk. And besserwissers are about the worst I can think of.
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: forumsearch0r on November 26th, 2013, 01:31 PM
Why so (hypo)critical with yourself?
Title: Re: Doctor Who
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2013, 01:19 PM
Quote from Bloc on November 25th, 2013, 10:26 PM
At least its nice to see the old episodes again, reminded me really how very accidentally I stumbled over it. Saw a episode from season 3 believing it was a straight comedy, and realized not. :D
I had the exact thing happen to me -- except with Babylon 5. Pretty much the first scene I saw had Centauris in it. With the weird wigs. I thought it was a low-budget parody Star Trek parody. Turned out, it was a low-budget Star Trek killer. Not the same thing. :P