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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #180, on October 22nd, 2011, 06:09 PM »
Eh, I haven't read all of HDM (I keep meaning to, just never seem to find the time)
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #181, on October 22nd, 2011, 08:02 PM »
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #182, on October 22nd, 2011, 09:06 PM »
Shame they won't be making the other parts of the HDM series into a movie, really. Such potential! Though, admittedly I was slightly disappointed to see the religious parallels significantly toned down in the movie adaptation of Northern Lights / The Golden Compass.
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #183, on October 23rd, 2011, 09:40 PM »
Doomsday was good, I was expecting a little more apocalyptic. :P

So no more of Rose or the Tylers.

Onward to Season 3...
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #184, on October 23rd, 2011, 09:43 PM »
Season 3 is awesome. It has 'Blink'. Also, never say never.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #185, on October 24th, 2011, 08:58 AM »
I've to say...I'm getting annoyed by Daleks' existence. It just keep coming back. :P

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #186, on October 24th, 2011, 09:03 AM »
Yeah, so are the rest of us, for the exact same reason. 48 years ago when we first saw them, they were scary, now they're just irritating :P Fortunately, while they have a double episode in series 3 and a double episode in series 4 (though that's a good one), they're limited to a single episode and a smaller appearance elsewhere in series 5 and only in a scene or two in series 6! (Though I bet they'll be back in force for series 7. Boo.)

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #187, on October 24th, 2011, 09:09 AM »
What? No!!! Seriously? You know what else is irritating? Cybermen!!! I tell you. :p

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #188, on October 24th, 2011, 09:15 AM »
Cybermen are less prominent after season 2.

I loved the Dalek episode in series one. But all subsequent Dalek appearances sucked.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #189, on October 24th, 2011, 09:27 AM »
Cybermen aren't in series 3 or 4, don't show up again until the end of series 5 (and relatively briefly there), they show up for one episode and one cameo appearance in series 6.

I have to admit I wasn't a big fan of 'Dalek' in series 1, and after that they're just irritating generally. Though things get interesting in series 4... :whistle:

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #190, on October 24th, 2011, 09:36 AM »
The Dalek episode works well to introduce daleks to Who newbies, which I was part of, obviously. (I have yet to see a *complete* episode of the original show. First 1963 episode was too boring, and City of Death started too campy for my taste...)
Remember, their appearance is quite laughable for a new viewer. "Them, SCARY...?!"
So it worked really, really well to see the Doctor, who up until now was very sure of himself, completely lose it in front of a pepperpot.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #191, on October 24th, 2011, 09:46 AM »
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The Dalek episode works well to introduce daleks to Who newbies, which I was part of, obviously.
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First 1963 episode was too boring, and City of Death started too campy for my taste...)
It was a whole different generation of TV watching - remember, you'd tune in every week for another 25 minute segment.
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I have yet to see a *complete* episode of the original show. First 1963 episode was too boring, and City of Death started too campy for my taste...
I think you have to be a bit choosier about the earlier ones if you're coming to it from being a New Who fan, as it were - some of the older stuff hasn't held up well at all, and especially the oldest stuff.

You might try Tom Baker (4th Doctor) first, I'm sure you'll see some of the similarities to Tennant. Specifically, for a first viewing, try either The Pyramids of Mars or The Robots of Death which are quite good all-rounders (and TPoM has a rather younger, more naive Sarah Jane Smith in, so it's not like you have to be mystified as to who the companion is or where they came from)

The other thing to remember is that back then, while there were 'seasons', they weren't seasons in the way you and I would consider them today - a season was essentially a collection of 6 or so narratives, each of which was 4-6 25 minute episodes, meaning that a season was most of a year's worth of shows.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #192, on October 24th, 2011, 09:56 AM »
Giving the serie a break :P now watching the side quest movie: The End of Time

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #193, on October 24th, 2011, 04:44 PM »
In answer to the 15 unanswered questions that Aaron posted a link to... (my theories)

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So, why go to the trouble of putting River in the lake?

A sense of drama, plus the fact that the Silents/Silence love the whole notion of being hidden, and a lake would be a pretty good way to hide someone. Plus it's also a pretty direct reference to the whole Silence Will Fall idea since what River emerges out of the lake - Lake Silence.

It is a bit odd but less ridiculous than the plans that James Bond regularly has to deal with.

Speaking of the incident at Lake Silencio, did it really take the Doctor 200 years to come up with that escape plan?

As mentioned, he went out and about, sightseeing, staring back at Amy and Rory through history. The other thing is, the Doctor is of the understanding that it's a fixed point in time and space, and he's seen first hand what happens if he manipulates fixed points, it goes horribly awry. It isn't, then, quite so obvious that he can get out of it.

What was going on with those photos of a happy Amy and baby Melody?

Given that it's the Ganger Amy seeing those, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's hopeful images of the future as indicated in the article. Only natural that you should visualise such things subconsciously.

How does drawing tally marks on your face help? Surely that’s an awkward place to mark yourself? You’d need to carry a mirror around with you at all times.

If you run out of places on your arms, face is the nearest bit of exposed skin. Mind you, it also has the benefit of looking dramatic, and will remind your friends that something is wrong.

What’s going on with Madame Kovarian?

Well, the article points out that the aborted timeline has her dead (but the entire timeline is aborted, so that's pretty much irrelevant anyway, though a better question would be how she's at that 'time' and 'place' in the aborted timeline, but I guess if the entirety of time and space is happening at once, it's possible)

But yeah, she's probably living it up thinking that she's killed the Doctor, though something like that we're going to see again, I'm sure.

What was that Season 6B teaser all about?

It looked good, no? I think it was reflecting on the notion that the Doctor is going to die soon, and the fading of the sonic screwdriver's light was reflective of hope fading.

How are Dorium and those skulls still alive?

How are the Headless Monks still alive? It's the 51st Century, it's not inconceivable that they imbue the skulls with some sense of life after they'd died. Voodoo curse, maybe. It's no more ridiculous than animated skeletons or zombies...

Are the Doctor and River married now?

Well... the main issue seems to be that the Teselecta was the one that married River - but the Doctor was inside the Teselecta so I think we'd stretch a point on that one personally, but the marriage wouldn't be recognised in any court of law :P That said, in any way that makes meaningful sense for the two of them, they're married now.

Whatever happened to the Evil League of Evil?

With the risk to the Universe gone, they could suitably disband and not worry about things, so they return to their usual sense of domination.

Speaking of monsters, what’s up with the Cybermen?

The lack of Cybus logo indicates that they're not from the parallel universe but from the current one, and it's likely that the Cyberconverter at Canary Wharf (which got moved to the Hub) wasn't the only one. While the rest may not have been too functional, the designs would still be kicking about and likely worth some cash to the right person... there's a bunch of ways to explain this one.

What’s going on with the other timeship from “The Lodger”?

Yeah, I never really understood this. I get the impression that the ship crashed and was forever after a pilot, but that the one in 1969 was a separate ship, probably one the Silents had stolen, perhaps even the ship they used to get to Earth in the first place, and since partly repaired/rebuilt? I don't know.

So who blew up the TARDIS in “The Big Bang”?

The only way I can reconcile that is it being the previous attempt to rid the universe of the Doctor by the Silents: trap the mad man in a box that he can't escape and destroy his time machine. Except it had a consequence they didn't realise and he ended up saving the day. Hence the need to drag in Madame Kovarian.

Now we come to mention it, what exactly is The Silence?

Ahhh, yes. This one's tricky. There are three of them. There's the Silents, the religious order, and there's the whole notion of 'Silence will fall'. This later one is actually two: Silence will fall when the question is asked, presumably meaning a whole sense of universal apocalypse where nothing is left, and the Doctor's silence prior to that because he knows the answer and must not say it in order to avert the disaster at Trenzalor.

What is the question?

Well, I initially fell into the trap of thinking it was literal, but it won't be. The answer is we don't know the question, in a leap of Douglas Adamsian propositions, and the rest of the wording sets up for the best installment of the title gag yet.

And finally, and most crucially… why was there a duck pond with no ducks in “The Eleventh Hour”?

If there's no ducks, how do you know it's a duck pond? The idea here is that things have been removed from reality and you can't explain it but you know it's missing because the surrounding context is there. As in... it's a duck pond sans ducks but you know it's a duck pond.

Then of course we have the greatest play on words with it - Amy *Pond*. The duck pond is a simile of her life. She knows who she is, she remembers for example her childhood but she can't remember her parents. She knows she must have had them, but they're not there and they should be.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #194, on October 27th, 2011, 05:21 AM »
Long time no see, guys... :P

Ok, so I catch up and finish and even watch the latest, now The Wedding of River Song...
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Was quite a lame ending for such a high expectation that comes from season 5... Come on, ¿A Teselecta can beat a fix time in history? Moffat got that wrong...

So, now, I'm watching classic Doctor Who, and I must tell you... It's a must see. The Hartnell era is amazing, he's one of the greatest Doctors I've ever seen, Troughton is also a great Doctor and Pertwee, well, I can't say less than he's a badass or he'll give me some Venusian Karate lessons in my arse :P

Anyways, I'm expecting now the christmas especial more than christmas itself...