Still, as far as "half-season epic fail" go, Doctor Who has nothing against the last few episodes of Once Upon a Time... :^^;: Now that was some failure. They pretty much jumped the shark with the Pinocchio episode... Hopefully the writers were drunk, or something.
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Are you talking about the first or second season of OUaT? I thought actually that the tying up of season one with Pinocchio was quite smoothly done actually.
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Okay, Doctor Who team, you have my attention.
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Are you talking about the first or second season of OUaT? I thought actually that the tying up of season one with Pinocchio was quite smoothly done actually.
Okay, that Doctor Who..? I started it, and it's looking VERY bad. Shall I continue..?!
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Yes. Yes you should.
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I watched it, BTW, and wasn't fully thrilled... too much, too soon. Or too late. depends on what you were expecting.
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Maybe I've seen too many silly twists these last few weeks, with OuaT and Elementary... why can't they go soft, like Homeland and TWD did..?
Plus, I got spoiled with Hurt being the 9th, so, whatever...
Maybe I've seen too many silly twists these last few weeks, with OuaT and Elementary... why can't they go soft, like Homeland and TWD did..?
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Just watched the season finale of Doctor Who. I hated it.
I have to say, it epitomized everything that I hated about this season.
Moffat pisses me off (in one interview during the show he comments "When you are a writer, you have to like your ideas. It doesn't matter if anyone else likes them, if the writer likes the idea, he can make everyone else like it.")
And I fear this is exactly what went wrong with the second half of this season. Moffat and Smith were over-pleased with their own cleverness without taking into account the fact that their details SUCKED.
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ARGH!!!!!!
I have to say, it epitomized everything that I hated about this season.
Moffat pisses me off (in one interview during the show he comments "When you are a writer, you have to like your ideas. It doesn't matter if anyone else likes them, if the writer likes the idea, he can make everyone else like it.")
And I fear this is exactly what went wrong with the second half of this season. Moffat and Smith were over-pleased with their own cleverness without taking into account the fact that their details SUCKED.
Matt Smith commented that he thought that the whisper men would be "this season's monster". I could not disagree more. The whisper men were a joke and the Great Intelligence was there just to explain Clara's existence. Way to waste a villain!
How the TARDIS came to the Doctor has already been explained several times - without some wussy Clara's influence. At leats the explanation in The Doctor's Wife fit with established canon.
We've seen other time lords die without creating a huge rip in the fabric of time...
Even the old doctor flashbacks were wasted, IMO.
Overall - with very few exceptions, this season was so much of a waste that I am questioning if I want to even bother watching next season
I disliked Matt Smith from the beginning of his tenure. At the start of this season, I was starting to come around and rated him not as bad as I first thought. However, after the second half of this season, I have returned to my original belief that Matt Smith is probably the worst Doctor in the series (and yes, I include Colin Baker in that comparison)
And the "cliff hanger" just pissed me off even more...
actually... this one episode even had me hating River Song (who was probably my favorite female character in the revitalized series).
ARGH!!!!!!
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I have a different outlook on it to you. I liked it. But yes, I would agree that it wasn't as epic as it could have been, seemed to me to have a lot of great ideas that were so underutilised.
Colin Baker is only really lamentable in respect of the writing; it isn't him, as such, it's the way he was written, though Trial of a Time Lord did sort of redeem it a little to me.
Actually, what happened in terms of Clara/TARDIS/One isn't inconsistent with canon. It takes a liberty with it, but it doesn't change its substance. But it was a less than brilliant piece of storytelling.
What I will say is that this episode had an awful lot of callbacks for the fans, and it was definitely trying to be too clever for its own good. But I liked it, all in all. There were some interesting ideas never explored before, but some of the best ideas they had do actually violate canon to a point.
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As for the aforementioned female character... yes, she was annoying. Yes, given canon she wasn't quite who she was, but that doesn't give her the right to be annoying.
Colin Baker is only really lamentable in respect of the writing; it isn't him, as such, it's the way he was written, though Trial of a Time Lord did sort of redeem it a little to me.
Actually, what happened in terms of Clara/TARDIS/One isn't inconsistent with canon. It takes a liberty with it, but it doesn't change its substance. But it was a less than brilliant piece of storytelling.
What I will say is that this episode had an awful lot of callbacks for the fans, and it was definitely trying to be too clever for its own good. But I liked it, all in all. There were some interesting ideas never explored before, but some of the best ideas they had do actually violate canon to a point.
The idea of the TARDIS dying and leaking the 'bigger on the inside' to the outside does not fit with canon. It's the first time this has ever been mentioned, and contradicts what Nine said to Rose as part of Emergency Program One when it took her off the Dalek craft, that she should just leave the TARDIS there, and no-one will notice it and it'll just become part of the world. I think people would notice.
As for the aforementioned female character... yes, she was annoying. Yes, given canon she wasn't quite who she was, but that doesn't give her the right to be annoying.
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At least, I was glad seeing her in a non-Pond episode again...
Here's hoping it wasn't her last episode. It has no reason to be, after all there are still a few events she referred to that we didn't see... AFAIK. And even then -- I'm still of the opinion that she can be saved back from the library. It must be so boring, being in that program like, forever...
Last week, French TV was showing an episode from the first half of season 7. While watching it (and it was by far my least favorite episode of that half, the Dinosaurs one), I couldn't help thinking that the show really only lost its appeal to me *after* the Christmas break. Or maybe I was simply too much in love with the Ponds, I don't know... Rory, I miss you so much. We need your character. Maybe he got duplicated, at some point, through a wizzly-timey-boo machine that we never heard about? Why not...
Thinking about it... Maybe the next episode, since it has both Rose and 10th, will actually star the human version of 10th..? Hmm, no, they probably wouldn't have done that thing with the "real 9th" otherwise, I guess.
Here's hoping it wasn't her last episode. It has no reason to be, after all there are still a few events she referred to that we didn't see... AFAIK. And even then -- I'm still of the opinion that she can be saved back from the library. It must be so boring, being in that program like, forever...
Last week, French TV was showing an episode from the first half of season 7. While watching it (and it was by far my least favorite episode of that half, the Dinosaurs one), I couldn't help thinking that the show really only lost its appeal to me *after* the Christmas break. Or maybe I was simply too much in love with the Ponds, I don't know... Rory, I miss you so much. We need your character. Maybe he got duplicated, at some point, through a wizzly-timey-boo machine that we never heard about? Why not...
Thinking about it... Maybe the next episode, since it has both Rose and 10th, will actually star the human version of 10th..? Hmm, no, they probably wouldn't have done that thing with the "real 9th" otherwise, I guess.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Matt-Smith-to-leave-Doctor-Who
Well, that settles that...
Well, that settles that...
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Great. I liked him but i miss a slower, more human doctor.
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I heard the news tonight on BBC Radio 4. :sob: I wonder who'll replace him.
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........ and there was much rejoicing (yay)
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In the frozen land of Nador they were forced to eat Robin's minstrels. And there was much rejoicing.
Yeah, I liked Smith, I liked the way season 5 was done, and the way he played it. Season 6... not so much but I still liked the way he played it. But season 7... meh. I'm kind of sorry he's going, but I'm somewhat ambivalent about Who at the moment. I have to say given the way things are with me, I was never going to look favourably on season 7, no matter what happened.
Yeah, I liked Smith, I liked the way season 5 was done, and the way he played it. Season 6... not so much but I still liked the way he played it. But season 7... meh. I'm kind of sorry he's going, but I'm somewhat ambivalent about Who at the moment. I have to say given the way things are with me, I was never going to look favourably on season 7, no matter what happened.
So the new Doctor has been announced. Interesting choice.
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Peter Capaldi - the father of the family from The Fires of Pompeii, also the governmental minister in TW: Children of Earth who shoots his own family rather than let them be taken by the aliens. Will be interesting to see if they ignore the canonicity of the actor being in it before... sure, the Doctor didn't participate in CoE and so never met him but interesting to see if they tie it up with The Fires of Pompeii in some fashion or not.