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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #435, on August 2nd, 2012, 11:26 AM »
I think I need a transcript for that trailer... I only get half of what they're saying, thanks to the boom-boom and loud music.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #436, on August 2nd, 2012, 11:36 AM »
They actually don't say a great deal.

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The Doctor gets excited by the fact that there's dinosaurs on an alien spacecraft, he + Amy + Rory end up facing down a very large number of Daleks and they decide not to shoot him, he has a crisis of ego based on how many have died because of his mercy towards his foes, and Amy is going to die.
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #437, on August 2nd, 2012, 11:43 AM »
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They actually don't say a great deal.

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The Doctor gets excited by the fact that there's dinosaurs on an alien spacecraft, he + Amy + Rory end up facing down a very large number of Daleks and they decide not to shoot him, he has a crisis of ego based on how many have died because of his mercy towards his foes, and Amy is going to die.
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Don't think Amy will die in the hands...ehhh armor of Daleks. She lives, however her death is cause of another known creature. (pretty much we all know that).

I am kinda pissed that they showed the wallpaper of the Doctor with Amy, kinda ruin the spoiler even in the trailer.
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #438, on August 9th, 2012, 11:27 AM »
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I am kinda pissed that they showed the wallpaper of the Doctor with Amy, kinda ruin the spoiler even in the trailer.
Which simply means it's not a teaser...

I don't know where I read that (or maybe I just imagined it?), but the Amy story had a different end in my mind...

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It said her last foes were the Weeping Angels.

Which says to me, and this is definitely my imagination: it's the ideal way of getting rid of her in an emotional way... She (and probably Rory) will be beaten by them, and transported to an earlier era. The Doctor will then see them as old people. And then she'll say she waited all of her life to see him again. The Girl Who Waited. And then she passes away peacefully in a similar fashion to Blink. The end.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #439, on August 9th, 2012, 05:50 PM »
Quote from Nao on August 9th, 2012, 11:27 AM
Quote from Nathan Sparrow on August 2nd, 2012, 11:43 AM
I am kinda pissed that they showed the wallpaper of the Doctor with Amy, kinda ruin the spoiler even in the trailer.
Which simply means it's not a teaser...

I don't know where I read that (or maybe I just imagined it?), but the Amy story had a different end in my mind...

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It said her last foes were the Weeping Angels.

Which says to me, and this is definitely my imagination: it's the ideal way of getting rid of her in an emotional way... She (and probably Rory) will be beaten by them, and transported to an earlier era. The Doctor will then see them as old people. And then she'll say she waited all of her life to see him again. The Girl Who Waited. And then she passes away peacefully in a similar fashion to Blink. The end.
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If this is true, he would have rewritten time to get Amy back but like Rory, he shouldn't save him in "Cold Blood" but we will see.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #440, on August 9th, 2012, 06:00 PM »
This is a noob question, I don't know anything about Dr.Who but I'm interested to watch it. There are several seasons for Dr.Who, any recommendation which season I start?

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #443, on August 9th, 2012, 09:40 PM »
start with Doctor #3 (John Pertwee) and watch through doctor #5 (Peter Davidson)
those are the classics.
Doctors 2 and 6-8 were water, IMO...

Doctors 9 (reboot, Christopher Eckelston) 10 (David Tennant) and 11 (Matt Smith) are all awesome!

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #444, on August 10th, 2012, 09:44 AM »
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If this is true, he would have rewritten time to get Amy back but like Rory, he shouldn't save him in "Cold Blood" but we will see.
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AFAIK, the Doctor can't rewrite time if it has already happened to him or something like that... There's a matter of stability at play. He mentioned that in some episode in the past.
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Quote from Kindred on August 9th, 2012, 09:40 PM
start with Doctor #3 (John Pertwee) and watch through doctor #5 (Peter Davidson)
those are the classics.
Doctors 2 and 6-8 were water, IMO...

Doctors 9 (reboot, Christopher Eckelston) 10 (David Tennant) and 11 (Matt Smith) are all awesome!
The old series are good if you have no issues with bad SFX and cardboard settings...
I probably would never have got into Dr Who if it wasn't for the revival.
Even then -- the first series of the revival is quite ridiculous at times. They did a lot of work in series 3 and later to fix that. At that point it even became a little bit too serious, but OTOH it was simply thrilling... The best episodes are in series 3 to 6.

I'll just give my sincere opinion based on a real life example: the absolute best entry point into Dr Who is the series 3 episode, "Blink". Because (1) it's one of the best in the entire show, and gives you a real feel of what it can achieve, and (2) the episode is told from the POV of a new, unique character we only see in that particular episode, so there are no loose ties, and she discovers the Doctor as an enigmatic entity that she'll never forget.
I actually showed that episode to a friend who didn't know a thing about the Doctor. Two weeks later, he told me he'd watched the entire show (series 1-4 at the time.) And was addicted, of course. Heck, at that point he knew the show better than I did... (Which isn't surprising. I tend to forget storylines are I've watched them.)

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #445, on August 10th, 2012, 03:02 PM »
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AFAIK, the Doctor can't rewrite time if it has already happened to him or something like that... There's a matter of stability at play. He mentioned that in some episode in the past.
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Never mind that on at least three occasions this exact thing has happened, though all of those were Old Who. It's one of the things that has been laid down in the show bible since RTD took it back: the notion of fixed points in time, where what happened must always have happened and must always happen.

There are three episodes that have served to dictate the rules around fixed points in time:
Father's Day - revisiting an event that happened in the past, 18 or so years earlier. The death of Pete Tyler is essentially a fixed event in time and undoing that from happening caused the Reavers to turn up to heal the wound to Time, and Pete does sacrifice himself to do that - however the details of the event are changed slightly by Rose's presence, because her mother then remembers seeing Rose at the end. But the substance of the event doesn't change. (I'd note that both Old Who and New Who, cf. Old Who's The Visitation which caused the fire in London in 1666, New Who's visit to Pompeii)

The Waters of Mars - the death of Adelaide Brooke is a fixed point in time, but when the Doctor tries to change it - because he is the 'Time Lord Victorious', with the rules of Time obeying him, or so he thinks, he changes the fact that Adelaide dies on Mars and brings her back to Earth - but she realises what must happen, that it is her death that triggers the events that are to come and she resolves the matter by taking her own life. The moral of the story is that if you change the laws of time, they may well turn the tables anyway.

The Wedding of River Song - when you have a fixed event that must always happen, and it must happen to a very complicated time-space event like the Doctor, preventing it from happening causes all kinds of bad things, in this case time *stopping*. Of course, the Doctor already knew in advance what was going to happen and had already planned out how to make the fixed event be exactly what he'd set it up to be, but if you prevent a fixed event entirely, it's going to get messy.
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Even then -- the first series of the revival is quite ridiculous at times.
Part of the problem is that it was still being written almost as if it were Old Who and hadn't quite found the New Who its own identity.
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At that point it even became a little bit too serious, but OTOH it was simply thrilling... The best episodes are in series 3 to 6.
There are a couple of exceptions to this, though. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances from season 1, The Girl in the Fireplace from season 2 are easily the stand-out episodes in both cases.

I do also quite like The Christmas Invasion (pre-season 2 Christmas special) and The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit (if nothing else the Doctor is out of his depth for once)

That said, there are some absolutely lamentable episodes in both series 1 & 2, where even the worst episodes of series 3 onwards are nowhere near the worst in 1 & 2, in particular The Unquiet Dead, The Idiot's Lantern and Love & Monsters.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #446, on August 10th, 2012, 10:06 PM »
In every season (of the new series) they have one episode in which the doctor has just a cameo and that focuses on something or someone else.

Blink introduced the best monsters of the entire Whovian universe, IMO... the weeping angels are, well, in a word, terrifying..
Even when they brought them back in the future episodes, they were still scary.

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BTW: I have heard, in the new season, the Statue of Liberty is a giant, weeping angel!!!!!!

The doctor's companions in the new series have been hit or miss, though....
Rose (season 1) good...   the rets of the time, she's a whiny, lovestruck twit with no good plot
Donna - hated her (but then again, I dislike the actress)
Martha - probably one of my favorites from the new series - but under plotted and wasted
Amy - meh... she's cute - but they tried to make the show more focused on her and that annoyed me.

old companions:
Jamie - one of the few male companions... interesting fella.
Sarah Jane - probably the best, most developed companion ever...
Teela - kick-ass barbarian!
Ace - possibly the worst companion ever

Romana - cool...   possibly a little-basis for River Song...

the other companions... well, take'em of leave 'em...

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #447, on August 11th, 2012, 01:07 AM »
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In every season (of the new series) they have one episode in which the doctor has just a cameo and that focuses on something or someone else.
Yes, it's for production reasons. They also invariably do something similar for the companion. The filming time for Tennant and Freeman during Blink allowed them to film the finale, for example. Catherine Tate's absence during Midnight was to allow her to film Turn Left.
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Blink introduced the best monsters of the entire Whovian universe, IMO... the weeping angels are, well, in a word, terrifying..
Yes, I think I agree with that. Having seen pretty much the entire canon, they're the only monster that won't date and become lame - and not need a reboot. The Daleks, in every incarnation, were not particularly scary (for me), though the fringe variations like the Special Weapons Dalek make it interesting. The Cybermen were creepy the first time I saw them because I knew they were made from people in some fashion - and the reboot made better Cybermen, but still not scary.

All the others will generally need some kind of reboot at some point in their future to keep them relevant (the Daleks have long since ceased to be relevant, and really the only time in recent years where they were particularly interesting was when Davros was with them)
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The doctor's companions in the new series have been hit or miss, though....
Rose (season 1) good...   the rets of the time, she's a whiny, lovestruck twit with no good plot
But even in season 1 she's still a whiny, lovestruck twit. The finale to season 1 is definitely redeeming for her though.
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Martha - probably one of my favorites from the new series - but under plotted and wasted
The plot from Family of Blood was pretty good, and played quite well I thought, her part in the season 3 finale was certainly her finest hour, and the parting of the ways between her and the Doctor was very good. But yes, under-plotted and wasted.
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Donna - hated her (but then again, I dislike the actress)
I don't like the actress much, I didn't particularly like her role, however I did appreciate the character development - that by the end of the season she had changed, and her fate is all the more bitter because she'd become a character I didn't thoroughly dislike.
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Amy - meh... she's cute - but they tried to make the show more focused on her and that annoyed me.
That's the thing, though, the whole point of the show, really is that it isn't about *him*. It's the story of his companions and the worlds and tales he shows them - it isn't his story, at least not from my perspective.
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Jamie - one of the few male companions... interesting fella.
Feisty fighter, shame that his mind got wiped really.
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Sarah Jane - probably the best, most developed companion ever...
Certainly the most developed companion in Old Who. Nice to note that by the time we got to New Who and met her again, it wasn't the same dynamic as before - it was much more on an equal footing.
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Teela - kick-ass barbarian!
And one to whom everything the Doctor did was 'magic', which got old a bit fast.
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Ace - possibly the worst companion ever
Not even close, seriously. Don't forget, at the time Ace was the companion, the BBC were desperately trying to shut down Dr Who quietly by making it increasingly crap, combined with a script editor who was trying to push a political agenda in the background. She had the same problem Colin Baker had some years before - bad scriptwriting. Ace's overall character arc, the Curse of Fenric and Ghostlight is actually very clever. Survival, however, is a truly dismal storyline.
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Romana - cool...   possibly a little-basis for River Song...
Yes, very much so - her later character, not the younger form we see taking on Hitler! But yes, her later approach once she's become a Doctor herself, does have similarities to both incarnations of Romana.


If we're debating characters, Peri 'Perpagilliam'[1] Brown, the only character to manage to overshadow the regeneration of her Doctor, with cleavage >_>

But worse than that, Mel. I don't even know Mel's last name, but dear god, irritating. Trying to get the Doctor to drink carrot juice >_< This isn't funny, people. Or Adric. You can't convince me Ace was a worse companion than Adric. There is a reason Adric died, and not one of being dramatic.

Tegan Jovanka (Four and Five), Turlough Vislor (Five), Nyssa (Five) were all perfectly adequate, even if Turlough's back story is way more convoluted and unnecessary than it needed to be (tied into the whole Black Guardian mess), though like most of the characters that far back, there wasn't a great deal of development for them.

Going a bit earlier, Liz Shaw, Sergeant Benton (Three) and of course the Brigadier were strong characters too - though only the Brigadier got any real development.
 1. I could not be arsed to look up the spelling of her name however this is her full name.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #448, on August 11th, 2012, 09:12 AM »
There will always be a character development with their own plot, their own story. I find River to be the most interesting character in the Whovian universe. It feels like  every episodes  we discovering more closer to the truth. Saying spoilers every single time makes my bone chilly. Because there's something I wanna see what River sees in the future since she holds the secret to everything, even his real name.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #449, on August 16th, 2012, 11:32 PM »
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