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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #345, on January 6th, 2012, 11:38 PM »
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Because Irene is a dominatrix...?
No, more the way Sherlock beats her in the end and the power play that goes on.

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Essentially, the fact that she's ultimately a lackey for Moriarty, and that in the end she loses by Sherlock figuring out the truth about her affection for me. And that, ultimately, he rescues her at the end.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #346, on January 7th, 2012, 05:36 PM »
I've come to the conclusion that River died in the Forest of the Dead...her future version in the past.
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Because she knew his name whereas in "The Wedding of River Song" The Doctor told her his real name.
That being said that event in the Forest of the Dead is ahead in her timeline after The Wedding...this is where she actually die. I'm trying to understand why she came back to the past just to save The Doctor in the end because she knew he would die and cease to exist in the future somehow. She had the book with her at the time where the Doctor gave her in the future. He knew his fate and he somehow cheated, didn't he? He send River Song whatever was said in the book.
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #347, on January 7th, 2012, 05:51 PM »
Re spoiler... no he didn't. They *both* lied. What he told her was not his real name. TWoRS actually shows you what he said.
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I've come to the conclusion that River died in the Forest of the Dead...her future version in the past.
Yes, that's the case - it's the first time he meets her, and the last time she sees him. But the point where he tells her his name, the one time he could - we haven't seen that yet. We haven't seen their first meeting (from her POV) at the towers of Darillium, where he gives her his screwdriver.
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I'm trying to understand why she came back to the past just to save The Doctor in the end because she knew he would die and cease to exist in the future somehow.
Because she didn't go back to the past. Her timeline is continuous - forwards. After she travels to the 51st Century and becomes a doctor, she goes to Stormcage for the 'murder' of the Doctor. She eventually receives a pardon, because by the time of FotD, she's no longer working 'to earn a pardon', she's essentially free, but doing this job as a job. From her timeline POV, Season 6 (except the epilogue of TWoRS) happens first (in the correct order, once we get past TIA and DotM), then the events in series 5 (Pandorica first, then the Time of Angels), then FotD.

The point where he shows up at the towers of Darillium, on her 'doorstep, with a new suit, and knew everything about me', that's when she first meets him from her POV, and that hasn't happened yet. (From the Doctor's POV, it must happen at any point from here on in, and from our POV, it'll be the last time we see her.)

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #348, on January 8th, 2012, 03:51 PM »
At least she was still alive but part of me think she's trapped in dream-like parallel world where Donna was...
Does River knows where she is at?

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #349, on January 8th, 2012, 04:01 PM »
She's inside the library computer, where the other 4022 were (and where Donna was), it's not a dream or parallel world. But it's not clear exactly how much was saved, and theoretically it's possible she could be resurrected since according to the 'rules' of the library and saving people there, there's little reason why her and the entire crew couldn't be resurrected since they all appear to be saved inside the computer. That said, we're supposed to understand that she is dead, but you know as well as I do that everybody lies!

As for whether she knows where she is, yes, she does. CAL told her, right at the end, as she emerges into the datacore world.
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #350, on January 8th, 2012, 07:47 PM »
DS, I think you need to read a Song timeline because it's easy to get it wrong ;)

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/River_Song

(Oh, and to anyone who hasn't seen "Night and the Doctor" yet -- there's a spoiler in this article, so don't read it!!)

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #351, on January 8th, 2012, 11:20 PM »
In other news, I watched Sherlock 2x02 tonight. This one's written by Mark Gatiss and it shows, because while it's very good, it just wasn't up to the standard of 2x01's writing.

It's an interesting take on Hound of the Baskervilles, though sadly I figured out who it was and what was going on long before Sherlock did - even though it's sufficiently different to the original that you can't just blame the person of the same name who turns up. I didn't figure out the entirety of the backstory as to how it all pieced together, but I got who, how and why, which I'm satisfied with.


I *really* need to watch Night and the Doctor, but I will also have to keep switching back to my Mac to do so at present because my PC sucks.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #352, on January 8th, 2012, 11:30 PM »
I'm not surprised. Well, the episode is not available online yet, so I'm waiting, but I'm not surprised that it's not as good as the first one. I watched the Moffat episode 3 times last year. Watched the other two only once...
Although Gatiss had definitely a good episode last time. So I'm still looking forward to watching it... I just regret Moffat doesn't write the LAST episode, too. It feels like a bit of a let down to know you're starting with the best ;)
Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #353, on January 9th, 2012, 05:06 PM »
I've already mentioned twice I was watching that anime called "Steins;Gate"...
Well, I just finished, and I only have one thing to say: if you don't hate anime and you love time travel shows, this doesn't get any better! The concept itself is pretty great (and heartbreaking): a 'mad scientist' finds a way to sends text messages to the past, and uses it to improve the life of the people around him. Until the day... (That's halfway through the show, so I feel compelled to add a spoiler tag)...
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...he realizes that his changes have made him move to a parallel world that's going to hell. So he has to un-do everything good he did, little by little. Just wow.

It's pretty predictable in areas (the identify of a certain time traveler was easy to guess because of multiple hints, among other things), but also greatly enjoyable in that most of the events are totally logical and there are very few plot holes (it does have a few, unfortunately, but considering it's a 24-episode show with heavy time travel, it's a miracle there are so few), all in all the story is full of surprises.

And the final episode, well... Let's just say that Steins;Gate has something in common with Steven Moffat's Doctor Who!

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #354, on January 9th, 2012, 05:10 PM »
I know what I'll be watching out for...

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #355, on January 9th, 2012, 07:08 PM »
Find the torrent by Steins Team. Translation was pretty accurate.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #356, on January 9th, 2012, 11:40 PM »
Why is this topic private...?

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #357, on January 9th, 2012, 11:53 PM »
Because it discusses downloading something illegally... :whistle:

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #359, on January 10th, 2012, 12:01 AM »
Also in the first few...?
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