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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #150, on September 17th, 2011, 09:42 PM »
Is it as good as last weeks episode?

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #151, on September 17th, 2011, 10:35 PM »
Not quite, but it is better than some this series. First half was awesome, but it sort of lost it a bit for me by the end.
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #152, on September 18th, 2011, 12:02 PM »
Great episode indeed. Love the end too. And another Amy-less Craig doctor next, funny. Last episode will resolve the Utah story thread.

Last year we had the unexpectedly great eps Vincent followed with the great Craig eps. Moffat reused the same formula. The doctor even showed compassion for something he couldn't prevent in both cases. It's like Craig is here to give him back his sanity.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #153, on September 24th, 2011, 09:30 PM »
So, episode 12.

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Nice to see the Cybermat!

The Doctor is facing up to his destiny, and is paying a social visit. It's unnatural but it works, because he recognises that he doesn't have long left. It's the first time since he found out, that he's seeming to be resigned to his fate.

Will the skies go dark? There's the question.[1]

We now know beyond doubt that River was in the space suit. We know that she does the deed as a Doctor herself, and that presumably that is the timeline prior to the Time of Angels where she hasn't yet become a professor.

We even see him getting the blue envelopes that he's going to send to himself, River, Amy and Rory, AND him getting the Stetson.

There is still a discrepancy: when he dies, he's 1100 years old, so presumably he's done a lot of solo travel since dropping Amy and Rory off... I can't wait for the result!

Also, here's a thought, is there some reference to what he said in The Beast Below: about that he will have to change his name, because he won't be a doctor any more after killing a beautiful magnificent creature...
 1. Ref. Season 4, Forest of the Dead, "Everybody knows that everybody dies and nobody knows it like the Doctor. But I do think that all the skies of all the worlds might just turn dark if he ever, for one moment, accepts it."

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #154, on September 25th, 2011, 02:38 PM »
Thought it was an average episode, really. Bit filler-ish, but okay.

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There is still a discrepancy: when he dies, he's 1100 years old, so presumably he's done a lot of solo travel since dropping Amy and Rory off... I can't wait for the result!
This is indeed the case. See also this interview with Gareth Roberts:
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Could you tell us a little bit about your episode?
Gareth Roberts: It's 200 years after The God Complex - for the Doctor, anyway. All the stuff you saw at the very beginning of The Impossible Astronaut, with him waving to Amy through all time and space, he's been doing that.
So yeah, he's aged considerably.
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #155, on October 1st, 2011, 08:57 PM »
So, the finale.

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Cute resolution, very clever, something I certainly didn't see coming. And it explains what the eye patches are all about, something that had been bothering me. And yet again, Rory being the hero, and (nearly) dying again.

It didn't feel too rushed, either, but the subtlety and ingenuity of things that had been hidden, had been layered was incredible. Notably, Byzantium-era River talking to present-era Amy - remember the conversation from The Time of Angels, of who Amy thinks River is, in particular.

Plus the question, that must never be answered - but it is, quite correctly, the first question. That's probably the most devious thing I've seen yet from Moffat, the question in plain sight. There was me thinking all Douglas Adams, too, but the question will be answered, as it must, at the fall of the Eleventh - and we KNOW it's been answered because the consequences of having the answer have already been seen.

Let me put it this way. The finale feels very RTD ish. But I'll be buying the season when it comes out and watching it through again because I suspect it'll hold up even better then.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #156, on October 3rd, 2011, 09:48 AM »
Does anyone know in which series/season(I don't even know how this works) is the Doctor facing "Master" who takes over a machine and turns all of the population into himself?
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #157, on October 3rd, 2011, 09:58 AM »
I think you're looking for "season"

A TV series is a set of seasons, which in turn are sets  of individual episodes[1].
 1. That's how it's done in the USA, so I'm assuming British shows follow the same terminology.
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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #158, on October 3rd, 2011, 10:25 AM »
Series is used for 'seasons' in British shows (at least). So the season that just ended was series 6.

Loved the last episode. Didn't get all of it upon viewing, but the TARDIS wiki page about River Song was helpful (it has a chronology of her adventures in her point of view.)

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I'm not exactly sure, though, whether the last we see of River is after the Time of Angels double-episode, or *during* it... (And if 'during', when exactly?!)
Technically this has to be her *oldest* self so far, apart from the Library episodes, of course.

It's interesting that it's pretty much implied, given that Amy will be in S7, that everyone will be, including River, and hopefully she'll be there in a more casual capacity, rather than an arc mystery... Enough of seeing her in double episodes :P

Heck, why the hell did they get married BTW..? Not that it's not cool. It just doesn't make sense in the continuity etc. I don't even remember the Doctor saying her he loved her...
And why does time resume when she touches him, when it... shouldn't?

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #159, on October 3rd, 2011, 10:38 AM »
Quote from Dragooon on October 3rd, 2011, 09:48 AM
Does anyone know in which series/season(I don't even know how this works) is the Doctor facing "Master" who takes over a machine and turns all of the population into himself?
That's "The End of Time", 2 parter, between seasons 4 and 5, and is the last episode featuring David Tennant as the Doctor.
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Well... in the UK, we don't have 'season' per se, because our shows are not dictated by seasons, while in the US tradition dictates a new iteration of a show begins in the autumn, hence it's a season(al) show.

For us, technically, a series is simply a group of 2+ episodes - behind me on the shelf I have quite a few TV boxsets, all the US shows are by 'season', almost all the UK shows say 'series' because they're not produced seasonally but 'whenever'.

DW is a great example - series 5 ran from spring 2010 to summer 2010, series 6 has run spring + autumn.

But that's me getting off-topic. For most practical purposes 'season' and 'series' are interchangeable, especially when you're talking about a UK produced show.


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Yes, this is set just after the Time of Angels; she's still wearing the right outfit and she says that she's just come from the crash of the Byzantium - and there wasn't any time when she could have come from there 'during' it.

Yes, this is the oldest we've seen her, other than the Library.

I suspect we will see less of River now, or maybe not. Someone on Twitter said to Moffat about how it was becoming the River Song show, and he replied that she must be pretty pissed with not being in it that much.

Certainly, I think we have to see her one more time, when he meet her for the first time - from her point of view. Remember... "new suit, new haircut, and he just turned up on my doorstep and knew all about me". Plus, at the fall of the Eleventh, the question must be answered - because she knows the answer, and that's one time neither of them lied about it - "I told you my name. There's only one time I ever could."

That said, her arc is basically done

The whole marriage thing? Rewatch the end of The Big Bang. It's all right there in the continuity. That and, from the Time of Angels: "Are you his wife? Yeah you are, you're SO his wife." "Oh, Amy, this is the Doctor we're talking about, do you really think it could be that simple?" "...yep."

As for time resuming, yes it should from the show's own sense of continuity. She's the one that caused the time implosion by not killing him. He's the one who should be dead. Time is tricky and does funny things to you - and if the two halves of what caused the implosion touch, it's sort of like matter and anti-matter. It goes boom. I never found reason to question it, I guess.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #160, on October 3rd, 2011, 01:41 PM »
Quote from Arantor on October 3rd, 2011, 10:38 AM
Quote from Dragooon on October 3rd, 2011, 09:48 AM
Does anyone know in which series/season(I don't even know how this works) is the Doctor facing "Master" who takes over a machine and turns all of the population into himself?
That's "The End of Time", 2 parter, between seasons 4 and 5, and is the last episode featuring David Tennant as the Doctor.
Thanks, those are the only DW episodes I ever watched and even I couldn't finish them.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #161, on October 3rd, 2011, 01:46 PM »
The "multiplied" Master story plot was pretty ridiculous.
The best episode to watch for Doctor Who newbies is definitely Blink (season 3). I showed it to a friend and he was hooked. The good point in that episode is that, not only is it simply fantastic and very original, we barely see the Doctor in it -- we mainly follow a character who's *introduced* to the Doctor, what he is and what he does. It gives a sense of mystery to the character that encourages people to watch more, to learn more about him.

Definitely watch Blink, and try not blinking during the episode.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #162, on October 3rd, 2011, 01:51 PM »
The problem was that you picked up on a two-parter that relies on having seen multiple previous episodes (at a minimum, The Sound of Drums and Last of the Time Lords (eps 12-13) from series 3, plus oddments of series 4 but probably most importantly Journey's End (ep 13), plus at least Planet of the Dead and The Waters of Mars which were two more of the specials between series 4 and 5)

If you're interested in watching DW, you have three basic routes.

1. Start from the start of the reboot. Not really recommended unless you have a lot of spare time.
2. Watch Blink, from season 3. It's the single greatest episode to introduce you to the world of the Doctor without actually having the Doctor in it that much.
3. Alternatively, watch The Girl in the Fireplace from series 2. It's much more Doctor orientated, but it's also a lot more typical of DW episodes.

There are other jumping-in points,[1] but The End of Time was not one of them.

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@Nao: Yes, yes it was. I blame RTD! :P But we weren't watching for that, were we? We were watching for the knocking four times, and waiting for the inevitable.
 1. e.g. the start of series 5 is very deliberately set up to be one.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #163, on October 3rd, 2011, 02:54 PM »
I might actually give it a shot, I liked the "End of time" although I didn't properly understand quite a bit of it.  I got a lot of stuff to catch up with.

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Re: Doctor Who
« Reply #164, on October 3rd, 2011, 03:00 PM »
I think you'll really like it :)