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Arantor
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That's pretty cool! :)
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Wow...
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Arantor
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He knows something, he so clearly knows something, something so terrible that he'd rather know it and keep it from his best friends.
I said when AGMGTW came out that it wasn't his 'falling so much further', it wasn't nearly enough.
I said when AGMGTW came out that it wasn't his 'falling so much further', it wasn't nearly enough.
OK, so season 6 part 2 is officially here.
It tells an awful lot.
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And all this while dealing with an actual primary plot that isn't exactly unrelated (but not entirely related) to the above. Phew. Hell of an episode.
It tells an awful lot.
We now know:
* who the little girl regenerating was at the start of the season.
* what happens between Melody/River at a young age and 'adulthood'
* a bit more about the Silents.
* how River comes to learn to fly the TARDIS, and how she learned from 'the very best' because the Doctor was 'busy that day'.
* how River ends up in the 51st Century as her 'home time'.
* where she gets the TARDIS-like diary from.
* how she begins to become an archaeologist.
And all this while dealing with an actual primary plot that isn't exactly unrelated (but not entirely related) to the above. Phew. Hell of an episode.
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Exciting. Will watch tomorrow!
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I just checked in with one fan community I'm a member of. Some of the comments are hilarious like 'if this is what Doctor Who has become, RIP.' and lovely sentiments like that.
It's pretty much your classic Moffat midpoint. A lot of questions answered, but a few more still to deal with, because what happened at the start of the season is still going to happen.
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It's pretty much your classic Moffat midpoint. A lot of questions answered, but a few more still to deal with, because what happened at the start of the season is still going to happen.
And one group assert that it is a fixed point in space and time. So therefore it must always happen. Oh dear, this could get interesting.
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I haven't watched it yet, but my son tweeted this:Quote So I'm really looking forward to it! :cool:
It could be the wine talking, but I think that was the best episode of anything I've ever seen ever.... #doctorwho
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OK, so season 6 part 2 is officially here.
It tells an awful lot.(click to show/hide) We now know:
* who the little girl regenerating was at the start of the season.
* what happens between Melody/River at a young age and 'adulthood'
* a bit more about the Silents.
* how River comes to learn to fly the TARDIS, and how she learned from 'the very best' because the Doctor was 'busy that day'.
* how River ends up in the 51st Century as her 'home time'.
* where she gets the TARDIS-like diary from.
* how she begins to become an archaeologist.
And all this while dealing with an actual primary plot that isn't exactly unrelated (but not entirely related) to the above. Phew. Hell of an episode.
*The Spaceman who killed The Doctor is actually her.
This is the episodes I love. I even cry a little :P
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No, that part was already pretty much clear from the first episode of season 6.
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After River tries to shoot the astronaut suit and it doesn't work, she makes a comment that "of course, it wouldn't", because she knows it's herself...
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Yeah, and it was pretty clear too who the little girl was...
Great episode. Just a bit disappointed with the Let's Kill Hitler storyline -- I thought it was lots of fun, should have kept going a little longer ;)
But technically...
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Great episode. Just a bit disappointed with the Let's Kill Hitler storyline -- I thought it was lots of fun, should have kept going a little longer ;)
But technically...
How come she doesn't know who River Song is? I mean, she hasn't lost memory, and wasn't she brought up in a place where *they* called her River Song or something...? I mean they got the name from her cradle or something, didn't they? As a child?
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Quite simply, it hasn't happened for her yet. She is, as far as she knows, still Melody Pond. (The ending in the college, I don't think it said her name)
The place where she goes, where "the only water in the forest is a river", that hasn't happened yet - in either Melody's current timeline (her future, River's past) or the Doctor's, as evidenced in AGMGTW because the person who comes from there, who ran with the Doctor, she's now dead, it's in her past - their future.
Essentially, she's still Melody Pond, new to her current body, and all the events that happen between her leaving the hospital and her becoming an archaeologist have yet to happen, since the archaeology is ultimately the last thing she does. Her "becoming" River Song is yet to happen.
Also: that bit that the Doctor whispered to Melody, for "when you find River", that has to be the Doctor's real name. After all, "there's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my real name, there's only one time I ever could." (Forest of the Dead) If dying, sans regeneration, isn't enough of a reason, I don't know what is.
The exposition in AGMGTW where River (adult) tells Amy, Rory and the Doctor who she is, is definitely a long time after the events just unfolded.
The other clue that she's not yet truly River as we know her is that the first meeting hasn't yet come to pass. "You showed up, new haircut and a suit, and you knew all about me." We're not quite there yet, nor have we seen the final time they meet, from his point of view, at the singing towers of Darillium, where he is said to have cried, and as she later recounts, "because you knew it was my time, my time to come to the library. You even gave me your screwdriver, that should have been the first clue."
Non-spoiler version: there's a lot that's happened, it answers a lot of questions and it sets up stuff still to come. We know who River Song is now, we're just waiting for a little bit more about how she came to be the woman we've seen for the past couple of years.
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Loved the brilliance of things all coming together and making sense when I watched in a hotel room this weekend, really.Quote from Arantor on August 28th, 2011, 09:11 PM That was pretty much what I thought, but that was pretty much debunked in Confidential...
(click to show/hide) Also: that bit that the Doctor whispered to Melody, for "when you find River", that has to be the Doctor's real name. After all, "there's only one reason I would ever tell anyone my real name, there's only one time I ever could." (Forest of the Dead) If dying, sans regeneration, isn't enough of a reason, I don't know what is.
* Aaron wanders off to watch it in HD now.
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What do they say in Confidential? The 'real name' solution was also the one I'd come up with when watching the episode... Given the fact that IIRC, River had whispered his name in a similar situation (in the ear).