Introduction

abraamz

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #45, on April 18th, 2011, 11:09 PM »
hallo everybody
greetings from greece.
following innovation and inspiration got me here! :cool:

billy2

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #46, on April 19th, 2011, 01:08 PM »
Hi all,
Having AeMe for a few years led me to this rather exciting project.
Nice to see some *big names* lurking on this forum - watching progress and hopefully taking note.

Looking forward to installing Wedge.
* billy2 thinks  "Hope Nao and Arantor have both signed those important papers"

 :lol:
Best of luck with the release
cheers
billy
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Nao

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #47, on April 19th, 2011, 03:13 PM »
What papers...? :unsure:

DoctorMalboro

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #48, on April 19th, 2011, 04:45 PM »
The ones where you two sell their souls to the Devil Microsoft Corp.

Arantor

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #49, on April 19th, 2011, 04:53 PM »
If you're referring to the legal papers with SMF, we weren't involved in that - we're not members of the LLC or NPO, and frankly, I wouldn't want to be.

(I mean, seriously: if I were on the SMF team now, I'd have to look at joining the NPO as a legal member in order to be party to some of the votes of where things go. If that's not a WTF, I don't know what is.)

We have both signed CLAs giving rights to use any code we gave them for SMF itself so bug fixes and so on we gave them are able to be used.
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billy2

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #50, on April 19th, 2011, 05:13 PM »
Quote from Arantor on April 19th, 2011, 04:53 PM
If you're referring to the legal papers with SMF, we weren't involved in that - we're not members of the LLC or NPO, and frankly, I wouldn't want to be.

(I mean, seriously: if I were on the SMF team now, I'd have to look at joining the NPO as a legal member in order to be party to some of the votes of where things go. If that's not a WTF, I don't know what is.)

We have both signed CLAs giving rights to use any code we gave them for SMF itself so bug fixes and so on we gave them are able to be used.
It was a flippant remark referring to wedges' setup actually - obviously based on the turmoil that now consumes SMF.
 :)
Billy

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #51, on April 19th, 2011, 05:25 PM »
billy2, there are no papers involved in Wedge for now. We're working on CLAs and NDAs but we're not in a hurry. Right now it's just between Pete and I, and we trust each other fully.
Quote from Arantor on April 19th, 2011, 04:53 PM
(I mean, seriously: if I were on the SMF team now, I'd have to look at joining the NPO as a legal member in order to be party to some of the votes of where things go. If that's not a WTF, I don't know what is.)
...
Hmm, if they wanted me in the team, I'd have to be both dev team leader, and either be the boss of SMF, or be a director with you at the helm.
I think they have yet to reach that point where everyone who hates us is kicked out and they call us to save SMF :lol:
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We have both signed CLAs giving rights to use any code we gave them for SMF itself so bug fixes and so on we gave them are able to be used.
Hmm, here's me wondering if my CLA technically expired once they stripped me of my titles, privileges and group memberships... ::)

Arantor

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #52, on April 19th, 2011, 05:45 PM »
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Hmm, here's me wondering if my CLA technically expired once they stripped me of my titles, privileges and group memberships
Nope.

Nao

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #53, on April 19th, 2011, 06:00 PM »
They want my cake and eat it! The bastards! :P

billy2

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #54, on April 19th, 2011, 09:10 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 19th, 2011, 05:25 PM
billy2, there are no papers involved in Wedge for now. We're working on CLAs and NDAs but we're not in a hurry. Right now it's just between Pete and I, and we trust each other fully.
I fully understand and respect your sentiments, exactly the way it should be.
Long may it remain;  trust and honour rule Wedge

Cheers
Billy

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #55, on April 23rd, 2011, 10:00 PM »
Hi I'm Frazer. I'm an admin on a motorbike club which was set up on ezboard and now runs Yuku. 6-7 years ago I started work to move to a self-hosted solution and decided on SMF 2, assuming it would be just round the corner. My reputation has taken a battering over the years as news of our messageboard's move has been raised and postponed over and over.

Seeing as we are not live on SMF I don't post much on their forum but have been a member for all those years. I sometimes contribute to their support forum when I have time which helps me learn SMF.

I used to work for a software company testing all its new features and supporting its users. Eight years ago I quit and became a nurse - now I clean up other people's shit literally ^_^ The only difference is people say "thank you" to nurses but never to IT folk  :)

I'm very interested in this fork as I cannot see SMF going anywhere, its progress is much too slow, its team too small and divided. I look forward to helping out where I can e.g. with testing  :)

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #56, on April 23rd, 2011, 10:39 PM »
Welcome Farjo!! ;)

Nao

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #57, on April 23rd, 2011, 10:43 PM »
Quote from Farjo on April 23rd, 2011, 10:00 PM
The only difference is people say "thank you" to nurses but never to IT folk  :)
Lol, that should be my motto ;)
Reminds me of The IT Crowd, too!
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I'm very interested in this fork as I cannot see SMF going anywhere, its progress is much too slow, its team too small and divided.
We're even smaller but we have a vision, that's the difference. We may end up having the same fate as SMF in a few years time -- but that's the way things go. Maybe in 8 years we'll find a new successor to take over and implement the long awaited holographic chat feature that all other board systems have! ;)

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #58, on April 24th, 2011, 10:54 AM »
Thanks for the welcome MultiformeIngegno :)

Yes you're right Nao size is not the most important factor - the company I worked for last had 4 developers when I started but it quickly became the best software in its market due to good programming, consultants (knowing what the customers want), testing, support and marketing.

One side of me hopes that after the legals are sorted the SMF team will put everything behind them and come together to push SMF forward again. Only time will tell.

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Re: Introduction
« Reply #59, on April 24th, 2011, 11:29 AM »
See who's running the project. Used to be Kindred... Now it's Oldiesmann.
One question: are they developers? I don't think so. Never saw them commit a single line of code to the SVN.

SMF is a project run by project managers.
Wedge is a project run by programmers.

SMF focuses on the management side -- you know, getting the word out that "everything's being taken care of". But that's bullshit. What SMF needs is developers. People who know the codebase, know the state it is currently in[1], and aren't afraid to spend time fixing bugs made by other developers -- and focusing only on that. They've only had one active developer these days -- and he's not even the lead developer, and he isn't actually that active to begin with.

Seriously, I wouldn't attempt to judge people on their work and their time investment, but that does say a lot about the *management* if they don't wake up and hire new developers to do the job that their current dev team doesn't do.

How do you expect SMF to play catch up in this situation? It's like they just want to be left in peace -- away from the XenForo buzz, away from the Wedge activity. I'd like to say good luck, even though they don't really deserve any, but honestly I'm in a pretty good position to know that they'll need more than luck right now anyway.
 1. I'm afraid no one at SMF currently does. Back when I was a dev tryout last year, the dev team was exactly the same as today, and in one month I did more work than most of the current devs did in one year. And during that month, it became quite apparent to me that they weren't willing to let it be known that none of them knew a thing about what they were doing.