Aeme features ideas.
« on May 19th, 2012, 12:28 AM »Last edited on May 19th, 2012, 05:15 AM by NeobeatIKK
I have a few ideas to improve Aeme:

It would be nice if:
- Albums can have tags, and items inherit the album tags. That way you don't have to tag each item.
- Albums can have comments at the end. Just like items.

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Re: Aeme features.
« Reply #1, on May 19th, 2012, 01:14 AM »
Why would you give comments to an album, out of interest?

I can see the logic of album-level default tags but I'm not sure it would be that useful. (FWIW, I don't recall it ever being asked for before)

What would you use these things for? (I'm not interested in how hypothetically these might be useful to the community at least, I'm interested in how, assuming you had the facility, how exactly you would use them. How you intend to use a feature specifically is a different thing to explaining its benefit generically. ;))
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Re: Aeme features.
« Reply #2, on May 19th, 2012, 04:39 AM »
Sorry I didn't give examples to figure it out.

Well, you upload a bunch of "party photos" from last night, let's say 40 (random number) photos, you know a lot of these photos will share a lot of tags. If these items can inherit tags from its album, you can refine and edit the necessary tags for each photo, it would be nice.

As for the album comments, well is pretty the same idea, if a user don't want to comment in the first item to comment about the entire album or giving an overall comment, that's the album comments for.

I think those would be the benefits... Still, they can be used for more purposes.

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Re: Aeme features.
« Reply #3, on May 19th, 2012, 04:48 AM »
How about playlist that work all the way.

Playlist work fine only for uploaded content. I tried making playlist for embed content and for some reason it doesn't work. I haven't tried in a while or haven't looked in the sources in that section but something there is a miss. I keep forget to bring it up, I don't know if the bug is present here though. :sob:

Getting off topic here, this may belong in the support boards at Aeva. :whistle:

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Re: Aeme features.
« Reply #4, on May 19th, 2012, 05:00 AM »
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Well, you upload a bunch of "party photos" from last night, let's say 40 (random number) photos, you know a lot of these photos will share a lot of tags. If these items can inherit tags from its album, you can refine and edit the necessary tags for each photo, it would be nice.
So that's exactly how you're planning to use it? Why bother tagging so many photos with the same tags if you're only going to change them again after?

Please listen to me at this point, it's important. What you've posted sounds like you're trying to give me a general example. I need specific use cases. Trying to argue that a feature should be implemented through a contrived example does not ever work.

Give me an *example* that you've actually come across where it would have helped, since that's what I asked for, not a contrived and semi-made-up example.


Re playlist, I have never tried it, no idea how it's supposed to work.

Re: Aeme features.
« Reply #5, on May 19th, 2012, 05:14 AM »
Ok, In my actual forum I have Media with a lot of videogame content, when I upload a photo album (Guilty Gear for a real example) I know a lot of these items share the same tags (Guilty Gear, Dreamcast, Fighting, gaming, videogames, weapons), and if when some items need more explicit tags (for characters and other things) I would only need to add a few tags (Ky, Sol... character names or scenarios.)
Most of cases you don't need to edit tags item by item.

As for the album comment, if you want to say "wow I love this artbook", you can't say that it in the first item, it would be more accurate to have it an album comment.

I'm not saying you have to implement those ideas (I don't have that right,) but it would be nice to see them in the latest version of Aeme for a chance. :)

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Re: Aeme features ideas.
« Reply #6, on May 19th, 2012, 06:12 AM »
So it's like album comment and picture comment on facebook? You can comment on album or per picture.

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Re: Aeme features ideas.
« Reply #7, on May 19th, 2012, 03:44 PM »
You see, now you've given me a specific example of use, I can actually understand the point of it.

Part of the problem with FB is that you actually can't always tell if you're commenting on the album or a picture in it (and half the time it seems to conflate the two for you anyway)

I have to say I'm not entirely sure how much use comments on an album might be at this stage but it's certainly an interesting idea.

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Re: Aeme features ideas.
« Reply #8, on May 19th, 2012, 05:34 PM »
Album comments is one of the features that had been in AeMe's to-do-list for years...
I never got around to implementing them.

One of my goals with floating boards, is to make it relatively easier to implement this kind of thing.
Let's just say that board #355 is of type 'album' (or whatever), internally associated to album #421, and has topic #7234 associated to media item #6212. (We really should add a meta_id field to the topic table where we could store this kind of relationship data...)
So, every time you want to post a general comment in the album #421, that means posting a message in topic #7122 which is in board #355 and has a meta_id of #0, meaning "album comment"...
(It may sound a bit weird, but that's pretty much the only possible way to implement floating boards without breaking the auto-incrementing aspect of topic IDs...)

I'd love opinions on this implementation concept!

A temporary workaround would also be to show in the album homepage a list of the most recent comments for any items within the album. At least, that could be implemented right now... It doesn't solve the "where do I post if I don't want to comment on anything special?" issue, though...

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Re: Aeme features ideas.
« Reply #9, on May 19th, 2012, 06:02 PM »
I'd rather break auto incrementation than make the system convoluted, personally. Auto incrementation does not bother me in the scheme of things, making it harder to use, harder to support and harder to extend does bother me a lot though.

(FWIW, it doesn't even bother me that board 2 is currently the recycle bin by default)

Re: Aeme features ideas.
« Reply #10, on May 19th, 2012, 06:33 PM »
Quote from Nao on May 19th, 2012, 05:34 PM
A temporary workaround would also be to show in the album homepage a list of the most recent comments for any items within the album. At least, that could be implemented right now... It doesn't solve the "where do I post if I don't want to comment on anything special?" issue, though...
That's a very nice idea too, and yes that was my problem... When my users needed to comment about the entire album they had to comment in the first album item. But the recent comments view should work well too.

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Re: Aeme features ideas.
« Reply #11, on May 19th, 2012, 07:43 PM »
I don't see why it would be harder to extend.
Also, getting rid of auto increment forces us to specify the board type in the URL and do the main index on (id_topic, board_type)... Not sure it'd be very efficient?

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Re: Aeme features ideas.
« Reply #12, on May 19th, 2012, 08:31 PM »
Let me put it this way, I read your description several times and I was still left confused as to how to query it.

Why would you have to have the board type in the URL? See, I'm thinking about the last time we talked about this, where you wanted to have things so that board 2 was the second real board and that the recycle bin was somewhere else - the same core problem is applicable here.

In the way I'd see it, an album is an entry in the boards table, then a media item just exists as a new 'topic'. Thus you lose the continuity of ids but you don't lose any ids, per se.

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Re: Aeme features ideas.
« Reply #13, on May 19th, 2012, 08:37 PM »
Iunderstand your pov but you're probably forgetting about forum imports. We could get away with it by importing all albums and items into the topic table as new items but then we lose the date posted/id relationship. If you sort topics by date you get old items at the top of the list. I had this problem with my blog when I imported it into noisen. I had to fix it by sorting by time instead of id... Meh!

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Re: Aeme features ideas.
« Reply #14, on May 19th, 2012, 08:41 PM »
Hmm, yeah, there are benefits to sorting by id, too :/