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Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« on October 13th, 2010, 10:23 AM »
I'm a bit at a loss here.

In Noisen.com, boards are called boards, blogs are called blogs, and sites are called sites. Yay.
A site, in my mind, is like a blog, but without the traditional blog homepage. It would be more like a portal of sorts, allowing you to sort articles manually, rather than chronologically. Internally, it represents few changes really.

However, what happens is that all of these site types are actually just boards.
In the French version of Noisen, I decided to rename "sections" (which is the unlikely French translation for "boards") into "sites". Made more sense to me, especially when offering people the ability to create their own sites. "Create your own section" is quite lackluster... And yes, that pretty much implies that all boards are "sites" by default, and only become "boards" (forums) when specifying so. It doesn't matter at all... I think it's okay. If you want to create a website, you know that forums and blogs have a special layout which you can select, but sites, OTOH, are yours to imagine.

So, should I rename 'board' to 'site' in the code, when it's generic enough, and leave it to board when it's specifically meant as a board? (Which doesn't happen a lot...)
Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #1, on October 13th, 2010, 10:43 AM »
Unrelated, but I'll somehow turn this into my "nice discoveries with language files" topic while editing my files...

$txt['lang_locale'] = 'fr_FR.utf8';

That's in the French version. Uh oh. What's the .utf8 for? If you google that, you'll find out that apparently some servers don't support that, etc... I don't know if it's anything specific. Maybe it's French only...

Also, note for self: added strings for the Ignore Topics feature in Admin and Help files. (That's because the feature is already implemented on Noisen. I might as well add the language strings already.)
Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #2, on October 13th, 2010, 07:18 PM »
...Bump? Any opinions?

Also, I've decided that I won't be updating the French version of SMF anymore...
Not only because GravuTrad is more annoying than ever. <PRV> But also because I don't see why I should maintain two French translations, one for Wedge and one for SMF. Wedge will benefit my improvements. SMF can die (kindly.)

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Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #3, on October 13th, 2010, 07:35 PM »
Well you can do it the Wedge way...moving SMF further away by renaming some things around here. There's nothing wrong with that. Section sounds fine for me. :)
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Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #4, on October 13th, 2010, 08:10 PM »
Well, XenForo (boo hiss) bundles boards, redirection boards, categories and pages under a single parent area called Nodes, and each of those things as we know them are types of nodes, under which you have 'Forum', 'Link Forum', 'Page' and 'Category' (yes, the vB mentality strikes again :P)

Section is logical and means it's not necessarily tied to being a forum.
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Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #6, on October 13th, 2010, 11:42 PM »
Quote from Arantor on October 13th, 2010, 08:10 PM
Well, XenForo (boo hiss) bundles boards, redirection boards, categories and pages under a single parent area called Nodes,
Bleh.
Might as well call them "items", then...
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and each of those things as we know them are types of nodes, under which you have 'Forum', 'Link Forum', 'Page' and 'Category' (yes, the vB mentality strikes again :P)
vB mentality? In what way?
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Section is logical and means it's not necessarily tied to being a forum.
I re-read myself and I don't think it's subject to interpretation...?
What I meant is that Section is the word used in the French translation to stand for "Board". I find it silly, especially as the word "Section" is also used to represent "areas" in that translation... Uh.
I never liked "Sections", which is why I first started to use "Site" long ago. Of course, people may confuse a "site" with the "forum" it's hosted on. It lacks logic but as long as Wedge is a forum system, it's still a "forum site".

Anyway!

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Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #7, on October 14th, 2010, 12:06 AM »
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vB mentality? In what way?
Calling what we know as a board a 'forum' is pretty much a vB thing. I don't know any other forum package that does it (except maybe phpBB), as in vB, the entire forum is the 'board'.

Hmm, we almost need a new word.

Wedges! Call 'em wedges!

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Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #9, on October 14th, 2010, 12:29 AM »
In vB, yup. To be fair, I think that's how UBB did it first, that the entire place was the bulletin board, and each forum was an area within it.
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Spaces? Places? And, again: Sites?
Places works. Sites... seems a bit out of scope logically - the site it's on is a site. Or Wedges! :D

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Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #11, on October 14th, 2010, 09:39 AM »
A funny thing...
A place, in French, can among others be translated as "un coin". Litterally a corner, like a speaker's corner.
A wedge, in French, is translated either as "une cale" or... "un coin". Homonyms FTW! In both cases I would translate the name to coin :P
Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #12, on October 15th, 2010, 04:28 PM »
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So, what do I use then...?

- Main website: Forum, all right?
- Below that, Categories (that one is fine...)
- Below that: Boards, or Wedges, or Places, or Spaces, or Corners?
    Which are of either type:
    - Blogs (that one's a given)
    - Sites? Or Webzines? Or Magazines? Or "Custom"?
    - Boards or Sub-forums or Topics or Agora or Piazza or something else?

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Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #13, on October 15th, 2010, 04:32 PM »
Main site = forum works for me
Categories also works for me

The rest, it gets complicated.

I initially said 'wedges' more as a joke but in all seriousness, let's run with that a moment.

You create a new wedge, of type 'forum board', 'blog' or whatever. Pitch it to the user as dividing up the site into parts. A forum wedge (board), blog wedge (blog board), a link wedge (redirect board), or a content wedge (custom page; I like the idea of free format user pages somewhere in there)

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Re: Naming Boards/blogs/sites etc.
« Reply #14, on October 15th, 2010, 11:50 PM »
Quote from Arantor on October 15th, 2010, 04:32 PM
The rest, it gets complicated.

I initially said 'wedges' more as a joke but in all seriousness, let's run with that a moment.
I thought you were serious from the start...
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You create a new wedge, of type 'forum board', 'blog' or whatever. Pitch it to the user as dividing up the site into parts. A forum wedge (board), blog wedge (blog board), a link wedge (redirect board), or a content wedge (custom page; I like the idea of free format user pages somewhere in there)
It's really just a portal-type system. Well, hopefully... (Because I never used a portal and probably never will. So I don't know if it requires getting some inspiration from them.) I really want to be able to do webzine-type websites, like dossiers.cyna.fr or, better, general purpose sites (such as a commercial site.) Really add that touch of CMS.

And yes, use a 'wedge' as in 'a triangular section of a pie' is cool in that respect... But OTOH, it pretty much forces me to translate it to 'Section' in French, which is exactly what is being said right now :^^;:

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