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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #60 on April 14th, 2012, 12:55 AM »
Only in the obscure branch of maths known as mysredia.
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #61 on April 18th, 2012, 06:00 PM »
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Or negative numbers... what's 5 - 8 again? :lol:
That's why I mentioned that ;)
I don't read AAF, but I have a tab opened on your list of recent posts, so I can try and follow what you're replying to ;)
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It's not such a silly idea, except for the fact that so-called MATHCHA problems are generally easy for machines to solve (thanks to Google Calculator)
Didn't know it even had a name, eheh...
They'd have to know we have a math question at that point though...
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Actually if we were doing that, I'd rather do a plugin that generated it automatically, rather than a core feature.
The whole point of having it core, is precisely that you can then make sure that you're protected from 99% of spam right at install time.
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #62 on April 18th, 2012, 07:02 PM »
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I don't read AAF, but I have a tab opened on your list of recent posts, so I can try and follow what you're replying to
I reply to most topics. Aside from dispelling a lot of the smug 'XenForo is better' crap, it does give me a decent barometer as to what people are using software for.
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Didn't know it even had a name, eheh...
They'd have to know we have a math question at that point though...
MATHCHA is even more bastardised a name than CAPTCHA is, heh, but yes, that's what it's known as. Figuring out that it's a math question is not that hard, however.
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The whole point of having it core, is precisely that you can then make sure that you're protected from 99% of spam right at install time.
Except that you're not, not nearly 99%. However, I do agree that it might be useful to generate a question like that as an example, I just wouldn't implement it like that (I'd generate it in the install language and install it directly as a question), so that instead of having {equation} show up in the Q&A area, it would show up with the actual question.
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #63 on April 19th, 2012, 07:01 PM »
Quote from Arantor on April 18th, 2012, 07:02 PM
I reply to most topics. Aside from dispelling a lot of the smug 'XenForo is better' crap, it does give me a decent barometer as to what people are using software for.
I don't know... You know, fanboys! XenForo is 'on the way up'. Google Trends seems to prove that.[1]
Even if we had a gold Wedge by now, I'm sure there would still be XF fanboys claiming that free software just can't compete.
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MATHCHA is even more bastardised a name than CAPTCHA is, heh, but yes, that's what it's known as.
Starting to wonder if the people responsible for these names are Doctor Slump fans... (Ncha! Byecha!)
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Except that you're not, not nearly 99%. However, I do agree that it might be useful to generate a question like that as an example, I just wouldn't implement it like that (I'd generate it in the install language and install it directly as a question), so that instead of having {equation} show up in the Q&A area, it would show up with the actual question.
Sounds good to me.
Then the localized versions could use local 'common sense' questions like 'Quelle est la couleur du cheval blanc d'Henri IV ?' (What's the color of Henry IV's white horse? Famous one here. I think the answer is white, BTW. Uh no, it's blanc. It's a hard question for a US bot to answer, see.)
 1. While vBulletin trends are down, as well as phpBB and even SMF... Only MyBB seems to be up in the free forum world. Hard to say about Wedge though, because it's such as generic word, and although I'd say it's up, we're still lost in a forest of other references ;)
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #64 on April 19th, 2012, 07:11 PM »
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I don't know... You know, fanboys! XenForo is 'on the way up'. Google Trends seems to prove that.
It is on the way up, I won't argue that. It has done so at a lot of vBulletin's expense, and to a lesser degree phpBB's expense. MyBB is flourishing because it's proving that it is a strong candidate in the free world that is under active development (as neither phpBB nor SMF can really make that claim, and we're not yet published publicly)
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Even if we had a gold Wedge by now, I'm sure there would still be XF fanboys claiming that free software just can't compete.
Of course they would. There are a lot of idiots out there who equate expensive with better, without any real reason for it.
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Starting to wonder if the people responsible for these names are Doctor Slump fans... (Ncha! Byecha!)
Well, CAPTCHA is a backronym for catching spam (i.e. they took 'capture' and figured out an acronym to basically fit) while MATHCHA is basically a portmanteau of math + CAPTCHA.
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Sounds good to me.
Then the localized versions could use local 'common sense' questions like 'Quelle est la couleur du cheval blanc d'Henri IV ?' (What's the color of Henry IV's white horse? Famous one here. I think the answer is white, BTW. Uh no, it's blanc. It's a hard question for a US bot to answer, see.)
That works for me too, though I'd prefer to have something that's semi random too so that you can't just have bots build the library from our installer (i.e. detecting the question and using the answer) Perhaps a math question written out in words - but that would require having support for multiple answers so that people can put in words or numbers and have both be accepted.
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #65 on April 26th, 2012, 05:16 PM »
I'll leave it up to you to decide what we do about this.

Re: xenForo, what's new on their side BTW...? Didn't they have a lawsuit with vB or something? Did they win? Lose?
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #66 on April 26th, 2012, 06:54 PM »
The lawsuit is still ongoing, and it's really been weighing on Kier lately, but I still think they're going to win in the end.

I think I will implement both multiple answers and auto-generated questions to kick off with.
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #67 on April 27th, 2012, 11:49 AM »
Would a word-based arithmetic sum be any better Pete ("five minus eight" with the answer expressed as a number)? Combines what I see as being the best bits of both mechanisms... Having said that, it suffers the same drawbacks (simple to mechanically break once it's been taught to OCR the problems) Ignore me. :whistle:
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #68 on April 27th, 2012, 12:23 PM »
It would be an improvement over numbers - but no magic bullet. Still, as a default out-of-the-box setup it's quite reasonable.
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #69 on March 22nd, 06:14 PM »
If possible, do I have to know to create plugin. Not sure, but I tried.

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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #70 on March 22nd, 07:39 PM »
If you look around, it's all documented...
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #71 on May 7th, 02:23 PM »
Are a Joomla or Drupal bridge off the cards also?
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #72 on May 7th, 02:53 PM »
Depends on them and our license...
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #73 on May 7th, 03:34 PM »
Joomla is militant GPL, anything that bridges must either be fully GPL or be at arms-length like jFusion is.

Though, given what I have planned, there should be little reason to go there anyway.
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Re: Plugins I refuse to do
« Reply #74 on May 7th, 03:44 PM »
Quote from Arantor on May 7th, 03:34 PM
Joomla is militant GPL, anything that bridges must either be fully GPL or be at arms-length like jFusion is.

Though, given what I have planned, there should be little reason to go there anyway.
Sounds interesting, care to elaborate? :)
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