SMF with a different name, huh?

Arantor

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SMF with a different name, huh?
« on June 7th, 2013, 05:44 PM »
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I mean Wedge, a fork of SMF is basically SMF with a different name minus a few minor features from what I have seen.
-- a former beta tester, yesterday. So, let's put the record straight. A year ago, I compiled this list. Let's see what's in there now. Interestingly it's been a year to the day since that previous post.

Added
Auto embedding
Gallery
Posting and PM drafts
Flexible skin support using LESS syntax, including vendor prefix abstraction (and changed default theme, of course)
bbc/WYSIWYG editor in the quick reply area
Thoughts system
Likes
Per topic feeds
Bad Behaviour integrated by default
IPv6 support
Template macros such as <we:cat>
JavaScript and CSS files are minified by default, and JS files are automatically deferred to late in the script for extra smoothness
Merge double posts
User and action menus in posts
Automatic quote splitting
Spoiler, footnotes, more bbc
Gravatar support
Using a board as a blog
A revised plugin manager that supports web based uploading WITHOUT CHANGING FILE PERMISSIONS AT ALL
Moderation filter system that allows admins to define rules for content management (e.g. moderation on a post automatically for containing rude words)
Q&A that supports multiple languages and multiple answers per question
Responsive sidebar
Displaying of multiple badges per user in the poster information and drag 'n' drop to configure what order they are shown in
Ability to use colour, bold, italic, underline and arbitrary CSS for all user names based on their primary group
Notifications system
Ability to edit registration agreement from the admin panel without requiring file write access, and also forcing users to re-accept it (and either locking them out the forum or simply barring them from posting until they accept it)
Ability to search and edit all language files, including plugins, from the admin panel, including showing both the master and current values
Ability to edit email templates from the admin panel
Ability to see who voted in a poll with proper privacy controls
Display reported posts in the user's profile
Rewritten ban system, including IPv6 support, ability to handle GMail type emails (user+tag@domain.com, user.name = username and similar constructions)
Rewritten warning system, including selective punishments per warning including but not limited to removal of signature, removal of avatar, posts being altered, moderation, bans
Ability to 'soft ban' a user, similar to Annoy User
Ability to send individual items out of the mail queue
Mass move topics is now more selective than just 'everything in a board', you can pick boards to move from, as well as other criteria
Merge two user accounts together
Moderation centre shown on the board index as if it were a real category (but it isn't a real category, it just looks like one)
Centralised popup system even for general prompts and OK/cancel notifications, which is styleable (unlike standard browser ones)
Custom fields now have proper privacy controls, are drag 'n' drop to rearrange the order and can optionally be shown on the memberlist too
Pinned topics can be drag 'n' drop rearranged
Group access can not only be given to boards, it can also be revoked (unlike SMF)
Board access is also split between seeing it and entering it, including the option to add a custom message to users who can see a board but not access its content
The SMF 'member options' area is replaced with one that doesn't have 'per theme' hassle and is actually quicker to use to set what you want
Proper timezone support for users (set timezone on registration, not a number of hours offset... even daylight savings works perfectly)
News items are also drag 'n' drop for reordering, show the bbc editor interface and also have privacy options attached now
Better internationalisation support in general
Logins can be username/email, username only, email only
Customised selectbox that shows images and other HTML (useful for selecting icons)
Search removed from the main menu and made in to a sexy popup
Use of HTML5 inputs wherever possible
phpinfo() shown in the admin panel
Your buddies/contact list is shown in the PM area with a nice clicky interface
Admins can now set which boards can be ignored by users
When splitting a topic, the new topic can be in a different board
When issuing a redirection, you can also set the redirection topic to actually redirect you automatically (and if it's to a board you can't see, a nicer error is shown to you)
Topic privacy
Topics have a good meta description now

This doesn't include the various and numerous, SMF bug fixes or the various underlying changes required to make any of it work.

Currently being added
Infinite scroll in topics
Proper Sphinx and ElasticSearch support

Changed
Default theme
Admin front page
Completely new CAPTCHA even down to including a new font (and replacing all the old SMF fonts)
Better page navigation
Revamped theme layer system
Some code rewritten to use better OOP
PMs automatically save to outbox, there's no option for it, nor is it something you can disable
Improved newsletter interface

Removed
Non UTF-8 support
PostgreSQL/SQLite
PHP below 5.2
move, glow, shadow bbc
SMF's buggy package manager
Support for really bad hosts like 000webhost
Spell checker
Fulltext searching (custom indexes are almost always better, if Sphinx/ES aren't an option)
"Simple" permissions
Calendar - now in a plugin


There are probably other things I've forgotten, too. But of course, it's just SMF with a few new features, right? RIGHT?!?! And it's not like we're adding new features or anything.

Of course it's not. I don't know why I'm letting myself get annoyed. I find it amusing that the person who makes such comments 1) does so in a place where he KNOWS I won't normally see them and can't defend myself or Wedge (someone considerately informed me via PM), 2) came here only a few days ago to ask for my help with his project, after all the shite I had with him a bit back and seemed *surprised* that I wasn't interested in helping them and 3) tells me off for things before doing them himself

Mind you, said person is talking about his own forum software in Python and Django which will obviously be better than anything else out there. Assuming he ever finishes any of it. This is after both his own PHP based software, and his subsequent SMF fork, have already fallen by the wayside.
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xrunner

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #1, on June 7th, 2013, 07:04 PM »
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... is basically SMF with a different name minus a few minor features from what I have seen.
Minus a few minor features?

Minus?

That's ... crazy. :tss:

darkknight89

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #2, on June 7th, 2013, 07:34 PM »
Isn't it just awesome when people shoot off their mouths without knowing what they're talking about.  At first glance I thought wedge looked a great deal like SMF but when you break it down feature by feature it really is completely overhauled.  Not sure if I'd ever make the switch to Wedge from SMF but I certainly am interested in following the development of Wedge and seeing where it goes. 

Nao

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #3, on June 7th, 2013, 07:42 PM »
Hmm... So the guy was Shawn?

I just wanna say... Who cares? You were the only one who ever cared about his forum; after he got into a fight with you (and he threw a tantrum at me for removing him from my Facebook friends long before that, as I was uncomfortable with his political views...), there never was any reason to give him to credit, or attention for that matter.

You're being way too sensitive about that, Pete ;)

Although he's right, we've done nothing more than SMF did in the last 3 years! After all... THEY ADDED A WIKI! We didn't! Hail! Hail!

(But what a wonderful waste of time for us :cool:)

Kindred

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #4, on June 7th, 2013, 07:51 PM »
most of us on SMF don't even take him seriously...

What ever else I may have thought or said of wedge... I have never thought of it as "SMF with a different name"
you guys have redone ALOT of stuff both in front and in back...   and I haven't even looked at the alpha tests.


Even if someone DID think "It's just renamed SMF", how could anyone say "MINUS" features?

Nao

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #5, on June 7th, 2013, 07:55 PM »
I think he meant, "it's SMF, [except for] a few [extra] minor features."
He's not smart, but he's not a troll either. :p

Arantor

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #6, on June 7th, 2013, 08:32 PM »
Firstly, yes, there is some removed stuff - things like 'the choice over quick moderation being icons/checkboxes/off' (it's just checkboxes). But it's stuff that we didn't want, didn't feel comfortable with and removed it because it made sense to us to remove it. I have no problem defending any decision we've made and the basis on which it was made.

Secondly, we're talking about a guy who describes himself as a redneck.

Thirdly, I have no idea why it bothers me as much as it does. I don't like people talking smack about me behind my back, but has popped up here occasionally to say how good things are looking. I'm like Mal Reynolds, if I'm going to shoot you, you'll be awake, armed and facing me.

Fourth, I'm annoyed because I vouched for him and gave him beta access. I'm not normally a bad judge of character. But this time I was and it annoys me.

Nao

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #7, on June 7th, 2013, 09:23 PM »
Quote from Arantor on June 7th, 2013, 08:32 PM
Thirdly, I have no idea why it bothers me as much as it does. I don't like people talking smack about me behind my back,
Oh, I can understand you'd feel upset that he did it behind your back. It's only natural...
Quote from Arantor on June 7th, 2013, 08:32 PM
Fourth, I'm annoyed because I vouched for him and gave him beta access. I'm not normally a bad judge of character. But this time I was and it annoys me.
He felt like a nice person, at the beginning... But, I guess at some point, he considered your involvement in AAF a 'given'.

Arantor

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #8, on June 7th, 2013, 09:53 PM »
Apparently my negativity was driving people away or something. Still if you really want a laugh, check out his other forum, CoderBB.com. Aside from the people who seem to think that WP is good because it's popular...

First up, http://www.coderbb.com/index.php/topic,81.0.html (note my comment in the last post)
http://www.coderbb.com/index.php/topic,32.0.html (where the best is 'what I use because it's popular)
http://www.coderbb.com/index.php/topic,55.0.html (more people using things because they're popular rather than the right tool for the job)
But the winner has to be http://www.coderbb.com/index.php/topic,140.0.html

If you run a forum you should know something about the content. Not run a forum seemingly FOR beginners BY beginners.

agent47

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #9, on June 7th, 2013, 11:27 PM »
Quote from Nao on June 7th, 2013, 07:42 PM
Hmm... So the guy was Shawn?
So it was this idiot ? Why am I not surprised that such a statement came from him. Arantor, don't sweat it brother because there's seriously no reason to. He's nothing but a joke to actually say something like that.
You know for someone who runs a forum like AnotherAdminForum, you'd think he'd do a little more research before making such statements but then again have you looked at the topics he opens on his site? I mean they're always questions; never have I seen him post something innovative or constructive. NEVER!

Arantor

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #10, on June 7th, 2013, 11:30 PM »
I'm not sweating it, I've had a bit of a chill out and am working on something that I think will be epicawesome (yes, truly) if I can get it to play nicely.
Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #11, on June 9th, 2013, 06:45 PM »
-sigh- Sadly drag'n'drop board management is proving more technical than I'd hoped, but it is still epic and awesome :)
Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #12, on June 9th, 2013, 07:22 PM »
In other news, the person who told me about the back-handed comments also found it highly amusing that the RSS feed imports are re-re-reimporting old content. Like blog posts from 2012. Repeatedly. A person who describes themselves as knowing they are a good forum admin and 'that's all that matters' would probably have kept on top of this. I should add, I've noticed even some of the other AAF contributors actually calling it a joke on some other admin forums.

I'm sure Shawn has seen this, since he logged in yesterday and changed his username. The fact he didn't argue his case... either he knows he's wrong and doesn't want to face the consequences (as much of an arse as I am, I do react relatively well to people owning their own mistakes) or he's convinced he's right and that I and Wedge suck. Either way, no great loss to this community.

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Re: SMF with a different name, huh?
« Reply #14, on June 10th, 2013, 01:00 PM »
Whoever said this is a JOKE! Can't he sit down, look around and see the obvious truth? Sometimes I respect liars but I despises those that don't know the limit.
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