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Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« Reply #60, on May 2nd, 2013, 04:31 PM »
thing is... this is a different case from Windows, etc... where you are purchasing your license to USE the end product.

the lead dev of the project functions as the editor.
the project has the right to claim editorial status copyright
the project is owned by the corp, therefore the corp owns the same right to the editorial copyright of the compiled work that is SMF
(not any idnvidual piece of code - that is still owned, individually by each contributor - no one has ever claimed otherwise and that is one of the things that gets me about Norv's arguments... she seesm to think that the corp is trying to force developers to give up rights to their code or to claim the code as their own. SM has no desire to do that and - once the issue was pointed out, agreed that the copyright needed to be adjusted.)
As for whether there were better ways to "force" the issue, I think we both agree that Norv's way was the wrong way to go about it -- although I'm sure you (or someone else) will argue that anything less would have been ignored, that is debatable and a pointless argument at this time. :)

Arantor

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Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« Reply #61, on May 2nd, 2013, 04:43 PM »
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thing is... this is a different case from Windows, etc... where you are purchasing your license to USE the end product.
No, it isn't.

You don't own Windows, you get a licence to use it in certain ways. Pay for certain things, you'll get a less restricted licence.

You don't own Linux, you get a licence that lets you use it in certain ways. It is less restrictive than Windows' licence but it is much closer to SMF's licence.
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the lead dev of the project functions as the editor.
Agreed.
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the project has the right to claim editorial status copyright
That's highly debatable.
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the project is owned by the corp, therefore the corp owns the same right to the editorial copyright of the compiled work that is SMF
That's even more debatable.
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not any idnvidual piece of code - that is still owned, individually by each contributor - no one has ever claimed otherwise and that is one of the things that gets me about Norv's arguments... she seesm to think that the corp is trying to force developers to give up rights to their code or to claim the code as their own. SM has no desire to do that and - once the issue was pointed out, agreed that the copyright needed to be adjusted.
That's the thing; you ARE trying to claim it is owned by the NPO. I will say it again: it is not owned by the NPO. It has never been owned by the NPO. It is licensed to the NPO.

It seems you still do not understand the difference or why it is important. It is the underpinning of why the claim of 'editorial oversight' is frankly ridiculous and why the copyright statement is incorrect.
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although I'm sure you (or someone else) will argue that anything less would have been ignored,
I already made that point, multiple times.
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Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« Reply #66, on May 2nd, 2013, 11:48 PM »
The person I was talking to passed me off to the next poor soul down the chain over there. So now they are trying to determine what I want to happen to make things right.

They know what I want done. What happens will tell me a lot.

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Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« Reply #67, on May 3rd, 2013, 12:41 AM »
lets tell the truth now and stop that bs xrunner, I passed you to k@ as your message was on about various support team members, and I have personal issues meaning I could not answer you in a suitable time frame, nor in a suitable manner.  In simple terms end of term at uni and I have a report I need to pass and an exam coming up, I have even posted in team boards stating I wont be as active.

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Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« Reply #68, on May 3rd, 2013, 12:46 AM »Last edited on May 3rd, 2013, 01:10 AM
Quote from runic on May 3rd, 2013, 12:41 AM
lets tell the truth now and stop that bs xrunner, I passed you to k@ as your message was on about various support team members, and I have personal issues meaning I could not answer you in a suitable time frame, nor in a suitable manner.  In simple terms end of term at uni and I have a report I need to pass and an exam coming up, I have even posted in team boards stating I wont be as active.
All I said was it was passed to the next person. That's correct and with no personal details, because I don't reveal that without permission - I didn't even say who I was talking to!

WTF? Do you want me to reveal all those details without your permission?

For fucks sake - you all must make up rules by the minute! If you have time to come here why don't you deal with the problem it would have been over by now!

Fuck me to tears.

Edit: And now people know I'm talking to K@! All these revelations are YOUR fault. :-/

Edit #2: I had to go to SMF and PM K@ to tell him that I did not violate what I told him, that I was not going to say who I was talking with and not quote any PMs. You sure made a mess dude.

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Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« Reply #71, on May 3rd, 2013, 04:27 PM »
emanuele was just posting a link to the thread discussing your deleting posts and the reaction we had and that I took. :)

It's all water under the bridge at this point.

xrunner

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Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« Reply #72, on May 3rd, 2013, 04:39 PM »
Quote from Arantor on May 3rd, 2013, 04:25 PM
Play nice children.
I'll try to. :)
Quote from Kindred on May 3rd, 2013, 04:27 PM
emanuele was just posting a link to the thread discussing your deleting posts and the reaction we had and that I took. :)
And at that link I'm also talking about the situation. Can't I post hidden links like emanuele?
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It's all water under the bridge at this point.
I don't think so. Now that the person I've been talking to has been revealed, I will say that K@ is a very straight-up nice person to deal with. How's that for playing nice. I don't know yet what will happen but at least he's giving me the impression he's fair.

He's put forward a suggestion as to how we can all get this over with. I said I'd be willing to go along if you and Kays would do the same. Are you willing to move forward and try to get along? I am if you are. I'd first say to you I apologize for calling you a coward.

Kindred

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Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« Reply #73, on May 3rd, 2013, 04:49 PM »
ummm... I'll point out one thing. The link emanuele pointed to was regarding the conversation ARANTOR and I were having. which predates your involvement in SMF in any way shape or form.

You're not the center of the world.

xrunner

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Re: My review of customer service on SMF
« Reply #74, on May 3rd, 2013, 04:52 PM »
Quote from Kindred on May 3rd, 2013, 04:49 PM
ummm... I'll point out one thing. The link emanuele pointed to was regarding the conversation ARANTOR and I were having.

You're not the center of the world.
Arantor, I'm trying to play nice but I don't think it's working very well. :-/
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