Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org

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Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« Reply #135, on March 11th, 2013, 07:38 PM »
Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 06:59 PM
For anyone to be able to catch the torch, the old guard needs to let the torch go or at least understand that the torch is not a property they can manipulate at will anymore ;)

smCore is dead.
The old guard isn't going to be able to hold the torch for long, eventually they would become tired and weary.

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Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« Reply #137, on March 11th, 2013, 08:39 PM »
Quote from nend on March 11th, 2013, 07:38 PM
Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 06:59 PM
For anyone to be able to catch the torch, the old guard needs to let the torch go or at least understand that the torch is not a property they can manipulate at will anymore ;)

smCore is dead.
The old guard isn't going to be able to hold the torch for long, eventually they would become tired and weary.
Not if the old guard uses new, naive blood that just do not know where they are getting at.

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Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« Reply #139, on March 11th, 2013, 08:45 PM »
Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 08:39 PM
Quote from nend on March 11th, 2013, 07:38 PM
Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 06:59 PM
For anyone to be able to catch the torch, the old guard needs to let the torch go or at least understand that the torch is not a property they can manipulate at will anymore ;)

smCore is dead.
The old guard isn't going to be able to hold the torch for long, eventually they would become tired and weary.
Not if the old guard uses new, naive blood that just doesn't know where are they getting at.
I am old and senile, :whistle:

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Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« Reply #141, on March 11th, 2013, 08:55 PM »
Well, by new blood I mean any new team member in general.

Team members over there are like Greek gods (I used to use an analogy between team boards and mount Olympus). People admire team members and wants to be on the team.

Old school/seasoned team members can easily manipulate this new blood because the new blood is:

a) Easily manipulated.
b) Afraid to speak their mind.

Then the new blood finds out the cake is a lie and decides to leave but then again there is another batch of new blood ready to be fetched at the front door and so the loop continues.

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Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« Reply #142, on March 11th, 2013, 08:58 PM »
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Team members over there are like Greek gods (I used to use an analogy between team boards and mount Olympus). People admire team members and wants to be on the team.
Yes, that's a very legitimate observation. The team do not understand why this is a problem.
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Old school/seasoned team members can easily manipulate this new blood because the new blood is:
The side problem is that you and I indirectly manipulate the new blood as well.
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Then the new blood finds out the cake is a lie and decides to leave but then again there is another batch of new blood ready to be fetched at the front door and so the loop continues.
Ah, but that's the thing. There will always be a churn of the bottom end of the pantheon, sure. Always going to be lesser beings to become demiurges. But there are so many fewer of the upper echelons, those with the power to move heaven and earth if it is required.

IOW, there will always be more support staff recruits. But a notable lack of customisers and especially developers.

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Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« Reply #143, on March 11th, 2013, 09:08 PM »
The top should be devs right, this is usually the way of things.

That is how it is at another place I am part of the staff.

Kernel/Framework devs = gods
App devs = semi-gods
Other team = kings

I am a semi-god, sort of work between app and some web based data systems that drive them.

Even when I was semi active at SMF I never considered any other team member of any important state besides the devs. The devs really do hold the cards and should be treated with more respect. As for finding devs should be a serious job and no one should be promoted to dev instantly IMHO. The software can carry on with just devs, as for the site being a pleasant place, well maybe not, but software will get used no matter the site.

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Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« Reply #144, on March 11th, 2013, 09:17 PM »
This is a team, of which multiple current (non dev) members have expressed the opinion that developers are no more important than other team members and those that have that opinion have made it clear they either don't understand why this is inappropriate for a project for SMF, or don't care about that.

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Re: Discussing Wedge on simplemachines.org
« Reply #145, on March 11th, 2013, 09:21 PM »
Ah, issue here is that only the lesser gods gets renewed :P

Well, they could have the devs covered if they bother to attract new devs and actually treat them like real code contributors and not a lesser entity whos lower than them and only exists for their own service.