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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #15, on August 25th, 2011, 04:08 PM »
Quote from Nao on August 24th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Hey, I just had a look at the team page... It looks like my name is back in the Friends list :P
I think you got something back you already earned long time ago.
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Thanks to everyone for voting for me. Now let's start voting for whether or not I should lead the SMF dev team... eheh. After I'm done with Wedge v21.0, of course.
Still i can wait :D

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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #16, on August 25th, 2011, 04:39 PM »
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I think you got something back you already earned long time ago.
Nope, I don't think it was that long ago...
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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #17, on August 25th, 2011, 04:50 PM »
I had it a year ago and it was removed in November 2010 to be exact.
Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #18, on August 25th, 2011, 07:55 PM »
Quote from RvG on August 25th, 2011, 02:12 PM
and coincidentally... under your name is vbgamer45.  :niark:
Depends on the width of your browser, actually, since they're floated names... Thankfully for me, his name is far away from mine in 1280x1024 :^^;:

@Jeff> Would you say it's been this way since the original dev team (you, Unknown, etc.) left the ship? :P

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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #19, on August 25th, 2011, 08:30 PM »
Quote from Nao on August 25th, 2011, 07:55 PM
@Jeff> Would you say it's been this way since the original dev team (you, Unknown, etc.) left the ship? :P
For a couple of years I just didn't pay any attention so I can't speak to it much really. There were some pretty solid developers in place for a couple of years that kept things going. Any project like this needs dedicated developers. SMF has had a nice share of them but they have been scattered all over the place.

I think it's become just too bloated at the top personally. Things are slowly changing for the better but the key word there is "slowly"....too slow. The fact that it doesn't currently have any dedicated developers mean it may take a long time to get back on it's feet.

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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #20, on August 26th, 2011, 03:29 PM »
Yeah, least we can say is that it's been slow at SMF since 2009 or 2010... When I left SMF, they were at around rev 10069. Right now they're around rev 10600 or 10700 and 90% of these revs were for minor bug fixes. We made close to a thousand commits in the same time, with a good half being solid commits. It's just as you say -- SMF needs 'dedicated' developers, and they're not dedicated.

At first I thought it was because of the 'feature-frozen' rule. But now... Well, it's been over 2 months since SMF was released, and absolutely no new features were added to the SVN. I'm actually way more surprised by this, than by the RC-time lack of activity. It's like they're expecting the forks to do their work, and then they'll take the best BSD fork and make it their new codebase... :^^;: (Please make it Nightwish's, pretty please! ::) Although his code needs to be cleaned up, he can obviously work steadily and actually implement new things that matter.)

Anyway -- I was thinking that maybe Wedge was what SMF was in the beginning: a group of dedicated talented people with a vision and goals in mind, sharing similar ideas about the whole project in a way that it doesn't systematically create tension. What we need to be careful about, is that one of us (either Pete or I) stay onboard as long as possible (ideally the both of us) to oversee development, even if we don't participate in the actual coding any more. I think what killed SMF was that the entire original team had left at some point.

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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #21, on August 26th, 2011, 03:35 PM »
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I think what killed SMF was that the entire original team had left at some point.
Sure, there's attrition in any environment, but I think the problem wasn't so much that the original team left, but more that who came after weren't necessarily the best group of people all together.

I'm not going to lay the blame at any individual or group of individuals, but I think the total group dynamic made it very hard to remain enthusiastic about doing anything, and that increased the burn rate.

At the top, there needs to be someone with charisma and enthusiasm - and passion, even if that means there's drama attached, it means that someone cares enough to be passionate about it, and I didn't see passion towards the end of my time on sm.org, I just saw drama for drama's sake.

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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #22, on August 26th, 2011, 03:50 PM »
Well, depends on whom[1]  the drama was coming from... It was very obvious that the drama on our side was from frustration, and their drama came from fear of moving (too much) forward.

Anyway :P
 1. Trying to get the hang of 'proper' English by the book... This is 'whom' here not 'who', right? :^^;:

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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #23, on August 26th, 2011, 03:59 PM »
Quote from Nao on August 26th, 2011, 03:50 PM
Trying to get the hang of 'proper' English by the book... This is 'whom' here not 'who', right?
It all depends on who, or whom the English teacher was.   :lol:

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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #24, on August 26th, 2011, 04:01 PM »
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Trying to get the hang of 'proper' English by the book... This is 'whom' here not 'who', right?
(I do not use the two terms correctly most of the time, for the record. 'who' is typically much easier for most people to digest, regardless of 'correctness')

It's almost like object orientated programmed >_< Specifically it gets into the distinction between the subject and object of the question.

'Who caused the drama' - the object of the question is the drama (because it's the result of doing something), and the subject is the person doing it.

There is a method that generally nails it, actually. If you could substitute 'he' into the question to get the answer, it's 'who' (because you're asking about the subject). If however you could substitute 'him' into the question to get the answer, it's 'whom' (because you're asking about the object). Easy mnemonic[1]: him = whom, he without an m = who without an m.

So, back to the question... 'depends on whom the drama was coming from.' From whom was the drama coming. The person is the object of the question, the drama the subject, so it IS whom in that case.[2]

Thus ends today's English lesson.
 1. Odd that such a word should itself generally need a mnemonic because it's a PITA to spell.
 2. Of course, reword the question to 'Who caused the drama', the drama is now the object, the person the subject, so 'who' is correct there.

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Re: Baibai vblamer
« Reply #25, on August 29th, 2011, 06:02 PM »
Yeah, I'll use 'whom' only to sound 'pedantic British', because that's probably the image I like giving about myself (still better than pedantic French :niark:)