Wedge

What's it called now? 2.0?

Yeah, considering that since 1.0, there is the permissions system, departments, custom fields, post-proxy ticket, and many more features I can't be bothered to list right now. (What's here is a modified version of about 150 revs after 1.0)

You could have renamed it to 2.0 just with a single one of these anyway. At least in the normal world ;)

Thanks for your comments on the timing Nao, very interesting. Not sure what "spending years full-time on something I'm not getting on, I don't know. Do you?" means but like Sisyphus everyone wants some achievement from their work.

I've briefly looked at Wordpress today and must say it's a bit pony. Is it really the best blog software around?

WP is the 'go to' solution but as ever 'best' is pretty subjective. I certainly don't see it as particularly good.

Farjo. I meant getting paid on.

What is "SD"?

I like Wordpress to be honest. Maybe not the fastest or best, but for people who don't want to spend a lot of time managing or setting stuff up it is a pretty nice system. Plus lots of theme support and plugins too (despite WP not being so open to people making a few bucks doing so).

SD is SimpleDesk, see simpledesk.net - it's a helpdesk system I worked on a lot last year and have been working on the last few weeks - once the new version is done, I'll be backseat again.

The thing is, the reason why WP is so open to plugins is a little because of its system but mostly because it's actually very simple: there's almost nothing to it. You have this notion of "The Loop" being this massive system that underpins it, and structurally, that's insane.

I believe I've actually heard of SimpleDesk before. I'll check it out again though.

So do you dislike the wordpress loop?  :)

I do, I think it's absolutely stupid because it implies that every page follows the same basic notion of fetching content from the DB - except that in any serious system, you don't have that finely grained workflow, you just need to bootstrap, authenticate a user, then divert the controller to the relevant part of the system.

WP's model misses the fundamental basis of MVC (or indeed, anything approaching an extensible system that separates logic and presentation) at the cost of making it nicer for simpler uses and customisation. For what I was doing 3 years ago, WP was acceptable. For the sorts of things I might want to do, WP is essentially a toy rather than a serious foundation I'd want to go near.

That makes sense. I'm not a real programmer, just do some scripting and basic web design, but I've always thought that the loop was a bit strange. I suppose it would make sense in a basic blog, but WP isn't a basic blog anymore...

Well, for a blog+replies, or a page+comments, I guess it might make sense, but that still makes the assumption you're not going to make anything else in that structure.

So not very forward looking then...   :hmm:

I completely agree with Pete. I didn't understand a word of what he said, but that seemed to make a lot of sense. 8-)