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Nao

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #105, on April 3rd, 2011, 10:33 PM »
Quote from borg1985 on April 3rd, 2011, 08:57 PM
I wasn't directly hurt by them, but I thought the way they handled the situation was just really not the best way at all or even close.  So I pretty much stopped watching the thread after that and moved over to reading the AeMe section at Noisen.  I definitely think there are people who got hurt by it.
I don't mean to say I was *hoping* some people would hurt... But I sure was hoping that people among those who didn't know me at all would feel they handled me unfairly. (Those who know me... Well, they know it was fair to ban me since I was a pain in their ass, always reminding them how lousy they were at everything :niark:)
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Not that I've ever heard about and just the fact they'd ban the creator of the most popular mod for their software just shows how they really don't think about the consequences of their actions or even the actions themself sometimes.
I did remove the mod to make them remember their actions would have consequences. Well, in the end they didn't seem to give a shit (after all, they didn't create the platform.... They don't care about it, it's been proven so many times), and I had to think of the users. So I restored it but it was not without frustration.
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In the end what they did to you and the fact there hasn't really been any new development to SMF (New Features) in a few years now made my decision to switch to Wedge when it comes out extremely easy and a very fast decision.  Pretty much "Simple math."  :lol:
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Yeah, as I said the other day, they "feature-froze" SMF about 3 years and a half ago. I'm sure even Duke Nukem Forever (the father of all vaporware) added plenty of features in 2008 and 2009. (Now that's another reason why it never got out... Because they couldn't stop adding features. But from what I see, after the new guys took over, they took a year to complete it without adding features -- and they're only one month late.)
3 years and a half is a lot. The number one browser at the time was *still* IE6. It was barely being challenged by IE7, and Firefox was only a thing for geeks. Curve works perfectly in IE6. That's not something I would be proud of, personally... :P (Given the resulting tag soup at least.)
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Quote from texasman1979 on April 3rd, 2011, 10:19 PM
The reason i chose to switch is the fact that arantor wad hands down the most helpful person on sm.org, and he teamed up with the author of THE top mod. I tend to side with the one that volenteerily works to be the best they can be. There is no doubt in my mind wedge will be one of the top brands for forum type software if not the best within 1 year of debut.
The best, I don't know, I'm still impressed by some features in IPB and XenForo, but then again they're commercial -- and not cheap to begin with. I always thought there should be room for a $50 forum package, or even cheaper, but it's not going to be Wedge. I suppose if you want to make money off a niche market like forum software, you *have* to sell it for a high price. Sad to say... And this is just not me. Nor is it Pete's way of doing things.
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And i will consider it an honor for their copyright to reside at the bottom of every page view once im able to covert to wedge software. Keep up the kick ass work guys, just dont get too stoned in the english channel, save some for me. :)
We've been working together for 7 months but we have yet to meet each other ;) Nearly happened back in December.
Hey Pete, you know you're always welcome at my place, if you want to visit Paris with your girl. We can even discuss programming when you're here.  :angel: :geek:

borg1985

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #106, on April 3rd, 2011, 11:07 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 3rd, 2011, 10:33 PM
I don't mean to say I was *hoping* some people would hurt...
Figured you didn't hope that.
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Yeah, as I said the other day, they "feature-froze" SMF about 3 years and a half ago. I'm sure even Duke Nukem Forever (the father of all vaporware) added plenty of features in 2008 and 2009. (Now that's another reason why it never got out... Because they couldn't stop adding features. But from what I see, after the new guys took over, they took a year to complete it without adding features -- and they're only one month late.)
New guys yes, but some of the same people too.  It was mostly finished when 3D Realms had to stop work on it, but this is a discussion for other places.
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3 years and a half is a lot. The number one browser at the time was *still* IE6. It was barely being challenged by IE7, and Firefox was only a thing for geeks. Curve works perfectly in IE6. That's not something I would be proud of, personally... :P (Given the resulting tag soup at least.)
If SMF 2.0 came out 3 and a half years ago maybe it would be something to be proud of since IE7 was still fairly new at the time, but now the only versions that truly make sense to support are 8 and 9.  8 only because 9 won't run in Window XP.  I only just upgraded my work computer from IE6 to 8 a few months ago, but if you knew anything about where I worked you wouldn't be surprised they hadn't upgraded.
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The best, I don't know, I'm still impressed by some features in IPB and XenForo, but then again they're commercial -- and not cheap to begin with.
My favorite forum software isn't publically available as it was written specifically for the site its used on as far as I know.  See www.roosterteeth.com.
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Nao

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #107, on April 3rd, 2011, 11:19 PM »
Quote from borg1985 on April 3rd, 2011, 11:07 PM
New guys yes, but some of the same people too.  It was mostly finished when 3D Realms had to stop work on it, but this is a discussion for other places.
Actually, Wedge.org is a very open forum... At least until it becomes overcrowded, there are no rules on off-topic contents, double-posting and the likes ;) (I'll just delete spamming... And signatures linking to sm.org, to Pete's request :niark:)
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If SMF 2.0 came out 3 and a half years ago maybe it would be something to be proud of since IE7 was still fairly new at the time, but now the only versions that truly make sense to support are 8 and 9.
And I *just* spent half an hour fixing bugs in IE6 and IE7... :lol:
One of them was pretty curious -- this won't work: (I'm abstracting the code, of course.)

<span style="clear: both; float: left; width: 100px"></span><span style="float: right; width: 100px"></span>

If you add several in a row, the right-floated divs will be clearly off (which is slightly annoying when you really need to have a proper series of value pairs.) It works in IE8 and any decent browser really. I had to fix it by, ahem... Removing the float: right. Thankfully, it doesn't have any effects on the actual resulting layout...
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My favorite forum software isn't publically available as it was written specifically for the site its used on as far as I know.  See www.roosterteeth.com.
I don't find anything special in it...? Except maybe for profiles?

texasman1979

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #108, on April 3rd, 2011, 11:20 PM »
Tell yall what, yall split me a plain ticket, and well get together for a stagering good time on the french side of the english channel, just bare in mind, ill be upside down from texas, i might fall in. :D
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borg1985

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #109, on April 3rd, 2011, 11:56 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 3rd, 2011, 11:19 PM
Actually, Wedge.org is a very open forum... At least until it becomes overcrowded, there are no rules on off-topic contents, double-posting and the likes ;) (I'll just delete spamming... And signatures linking to sm.org, to Pete's request :niark:)
I really meant a differnt topic.  However to elaborate when they stopped working on DNF and had to let go most of their employees those employees continued working on the game at home in their free time and created the company (Triptych Games, LLC) thats working on finishing it up with Gearbox.  This is the next game I'm buying
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And I *just* spent half an hour fixing bugs in IE6 and IE7... :lol:
One of those things we get to deal with with all those people out there who hate upgrading...
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I don't find anything special in it...? Except maybe for profiles?
Not sure how to put it, but to me I just really like it a lot as it was very simple to learn from a user point of view.  A lot of features in it that I'd never really seen in most other sites I'd frequent[1], but yes the profiles is one of the best parts of the site as well as a rather well done (imo anyway) karma system.  On a per post[2] level its like the thumbs up/thumbs down system on youtube except its +1/-1 (like +1 Cool or -1 Lame), but on a per user level you see an overall level based on all of their individual posts.  Yes there are many bad things about this as well, but overall I like it.  Shrugs its also one of the first sites I spent *a lot* of time on so I end up comparing a lot of things to it.  :lol:  Much of this stuff just comes down to personal preference too.[3]
 1. Yes more sites have stuff like this now, but I first saw this site in 2005.
 2. By post I mean anything you post on the site not just a forum post.
 3. I'm so downloading the footnotes mod.  :eheh:

Arantor

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #110, on April 4th, 2011, 12:01 AM »
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but on a per user level you see an overall level based on all of their individual posts.
SMF has that, it's called Karma. We ripped it out because it's actually divisive in a community. Maybe it can be reintroduced later as an add-on but it's not really a good idea in the long run.

Oh, and footnotes is already built in ;)
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borg1985

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #111, on April 4th, 2011, 12:05 AM »
Quote from Arantor on April 4th, 2011, 12:01 AM
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but on a per user level you see an overall level based on all of their individual posts.
SMF has that, it's called Karma. We ripped it out because it's actually divisive in a community. Maybe it can be reintroduced later as an add-on but it's not really a good idea in the long run.
Yeah I've seen that happen.  They have literally had people make multiple accounts just so they could artificially inflate their karma score.  Its in my list of things called "Don't you have better things to do with your time?"  If its not there I don't really care as its not used at all on my site.

Arantor

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #112, on April 4th, 2011, 12:08 AM »
That's why we removed it ;)

There are better ways to solve the need for post reputation than a global +/- score for each user.

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Nao

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #114, on April 4th, 2011, 09:36 AM »
Quote from borg1985 on April 3rd, 2011, 11:56 PM
I really meant a differnt topic.  However to elaborate when they stopped working on DNF and had to let go most of their employees those employees continued working on the game at home in their free time and created the company (Triptych Games, LLC) thats working on finishing it up with Gearbox.  This is the next game I'm buying
I don't know if I'll play it -- maybe for old times' sake, since I had a lot of fun with DN3D's shareware episode, in the city. But it's not my kind of game. Pete can confirm -- I'm more into RPGs and puzzle games :P
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like the thumbs up/thumbs down system on youtube except its +1/-1 (like +1 Cool or -1 Lame), but on a per user level you see an overall level based on all of their individual posts.
I think it's smarter, not to show an average of the user's karma points, but a "top 10" of the user's most insightful posts, based on their rating.
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I'm so downloading the footnotes mod.  :eheh:
It's still a bit buggy -- mind you, it took me months before I stumbled upon a new bug, but I left it aside now because it can't be fixed without making the processing part slower. (It's related to having foonotes inside a quote and having several quoted parts in a single message. It's rare because it implies you're power-user-material enough to use both multiquoting and footnotes...)

borg1985

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #115, on April 4th, 2011, 05:14 PM »
Quote from Nao/Gilles on April 4th, 2011, 09:36 AM
I don't know if I'll play it -- maybe for old times' sake, since I had a lot of fun with DN3D's shareware episode, in the city. But it's not my kind of game. Pete can confirm -- I'm more into RPGs and puzzle games :P
I've played and enjoyed a few RPGs however puzzle type games i do very much enjoy especially the games in the Myst series.
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I think it's smarter, not to show an average of the user's karma points, but a "top 10" of the user's most insightful posts, based on their rating.
I like this idea.  So it would be showing the most extremely positively and/or negatively rated posts?
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It's still a bit buggy -- mind you, it took me months before I stumbled upon a new bug, but I left it aside now because it can't be fixed without making the processing part slower. (It's related to having foonotes inside a quote and having several quoted parts in a single message. It's rare because it implies you're power-user-material enough to use both multiquoting and footnotes...)
Odds are I'd be the only person to use it on my site anyway as it doesn't have much activity outside of AeMe and the calendar.

Nao

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #116, on April 4th, 2011, 05:51 PM »
Quote from borg1985 on April 4th, 2011, 05:14 PM
I like this idea.  So it would be showing the most extremely positively and/or negatively rated posts?
I think only the positive posts would make sense... Unless people want to have fun at themselves :P
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Odds are I'd be the only person to use it on my site anyway as it doesn't have much activity outside of AeMe and the calendar.
That's the problem with Footnotes. Nobody knows about this mod because even if it's installed, only the smart ones use it. :niark:

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #117, on April 14th, 2011, 08:25 PM »
It looks like I always miss most of the news.

I had missed this topic completely, and just noticed one hour ago (reading a topic in SMF to help a friend) that Arantor's sig didn't have the Wedge picture linking here.

So I have been reading all this topic trying to decide if I should leave mine or delete it.

When I started reading the first pages I was thinking the best option would be to leave the picture in my sig until they asked me to remove it, and then answer very politely saying "Sorry, I didn't know that rule existed at all".

I even liked the idea from TE about inserting that pictures with links to here in our mods (here).

But then I read the reasoning Pete was doing about forgetting about all that childish arguments, delete all that pictures and concentrate in really important things (here).

I think you are right Pete. I will delete mine then.

Still it makes me angry the way they invent new rules every time they need one.

Nao

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Arantor

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Re: So, I've been asked...
« Reply #119, on April 14th, 2011, 10:34 PM »
Childishness has a place, and a time. Here are now are neither.
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