Bunstonious

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Re: Linux
« Reply #30, on March 10th, 2015, 10:48 PM »
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 10th, 2015, 10:13 AM
You started mentioning Microsoft's occasional slowness when fixing bugs, but it's irrelevant for non-Microsoft software? Interesting.
My word yes... In IT we have to base our decisions on what to fix by Severity (in fact this is also the way that Hospitals work also) and if the issue is severe enough it is given more attention, and receives fixes quicker (also like Hospitals, yes I worked in one).

The thing with most of the "Microsoft Security Bugs" is that they usually allow an intruder to enter your PC and "own it" if you will, how many people "owned" computers through this "non Microsoft bug"? It also exasperates the problem that M$ operating systems have a majority market share which increases the attack visibility (where as this is not so much of an issue for Xorg).

What would be the priority in a busy hospital? And where would those priorities lie?
"I pricked my finger and need a bandaid" ~ Xorg
"Someone cut my arm off... HALP" ~ M$

While i'd love to live in a world where bugs don't exist and everyone lives in "Happy Fantasy Land", this is not the case and priorities are needed some times.
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 10th, 2015, 10:13 AM
There's no such thing as "secure enough" in the post-Snowden era.
Where did you get your tin-foil hat and where can I get one? The ignorance looks to be bliss.
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Re: Linux
« Reply #31, on March 10th, 2015, 11:24 PM »
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The thing with most of the "Microsoft Security Bugs" is that they usually allow an intruder to enter your PC
Oh well...

(And that's just the kernel!)
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the problem that M$ operating systems have a majority market share
Leaving your "M$" flame aside (HALP! MICRO$OFT WANTS TO MAKE MONEY WITH THEIR PRODUCTS! BURN THEM!), guess the Linux market share on smartphones and servers - both are much more interesting targets than ordinary desktops. Then talk again.
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Where did you get your tin-foil hat and where can I get one?
Knowing that government agencies are able to access all of my data if I'm not "paranoid" enough, does that make me a bad guy?

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Re: Linux
« Reply #32, on March 11th, 2015, 12:50 AM »
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 10th, 2015, 11:24 PM
Oh well...

(And that's just the kernel!)
*shrugs*, they all have similar vulnerabilities.
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 10th, 2015, 11:24 PM
Leaving your "M$" flame aside (HALP! MICRO$OFT WANTS TO MAKE MONEY WITH THEIR PRODUCTS! BURN THEM!), guess the Linux market share on smartphones and servers - both are much more interesting targets than ordinary desktops. Then talk again.
How am I flaming? My main PC is a Windows box, which I have been happily using for years. And yes, they still have a bigger desktop market share, and no there are not the same level of attacks on Mobile Devices / Linux etc.
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 10th, 2015, 11:24 PM
Knowing that government agencies are able to access all of my data if I'm not "paranoid" enough, does that make me a bad guy?
They have access to that information regardless, you think they are going to target you specifically? The "Government Agency is going to steal your identity!!!" Wake up mate.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #33, on March 11th, 2015, 01:55 AM »
Quote from Bunstonious on March 11th, 2015, 12:50 AM
they all have similar vulnerabilities.
Precisely, so Linux is not a better choice than Windows from a technical POV.
Quote from Bunstonious on March 11th, 2015, 12:50 AM
they still have a bigger desktop market share, and no there are not the same level of attacks on Mobile Devices / Linux etc.
Of course not: As Windows has gathered a pretty lot of exploit mitigation techniques since Windows Vista, mobile devices and servers are not only more interesting for those collecting personal data, they even are easier to intrude.
Quote from Bunstonious on March 11th, 2015, 12:50 AM
They have access to that information regardless
Depends. They can go and try to break my OpenBSD box (double-encrypted). Good luck.
Quote from Bunstonious on March 11th, 2015, 12:50 AM
you think they are going to target you specifically?
They don't need to target me in order to gather my data if I'm not cautious enough. They target everyone.
Quote from Bunstonious on March 11th, 2015, 12:50 AM
Wake up mate.
^ This.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #34, on March 11th, 2015, 02:04 AM »
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 11th, 2015, 01:55 AM
Precisely, so Linux is not a better choice than Windows from a technical POV.
No one said it was, the OP asked if anyone does use it. Like I have said multiple times, personal preference.
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 11th, 2015, 01:55 AM
Of course not: As Windows has gathered a pretty lot of exploit mitigation techniques since Windows Vista, mobile devices and servers are not only more interesting for those collecting personal data, they even are easier to intrude.
But not done often, how easy it could be is irrelevant.
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 11th, 2015, 01:55 AM
Depends. They can go and try to break my OpenBSD box (double-encrypted). Good luck.
*shrug* Whatever floats your boat mate.
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 11th, 2015, 01:55 AM
They don't need to target me in order to gather my data if I'm not cautious enough. They target everyone.
Target them for what?
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 11th, 2015, 01:55 AM
^ This.
*shrug*

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Re: Linux
« Reply #35, on March 11th, 2015, 02:10 PM »
Quote from Bunstonious on March 11th, 2015, 02:04 AM
But not done often
Wrong. Many large bot nets consist of captured Linux servers.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #36, on March 11th, 2015, 03:46 PM »Last edited on March 11th, 2015, 03:54 PM
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 11th, 2015, 02:10 PM
Quote from Bunstonious on March 11th, 2015, 02:04 AM
But not done often
Wrong. Many large bot nets consist of captured Linux servers.
And more consist of captured windows boxes. You can even hack freebsd boxes. But often its not the fault of the os, but of the admin. And no os helps agains a bad admin, so this discussion is not only completely off topic but also totally pointless. No one, not even you, cares about which OS is more secure. The main difference between windows and linux is that its a lot easier to gain admin rights on windows than on linux. To exploit it from outside none of both is really vulnerable. Software is but not the OS (if we talk about the "big" os'es).

You are not able to talk about an OS without some dumbass trying to show why his os decision is so much better. Really, no one cares about which OS you use.

But to get back to the topic, im always struggling a bit with the desktop environment. As mentioned before im using cinnamon in the moment. Im happy with it, but not to happy :D Thought about trying the new xfce version but my system has problems with the testing repos of archlinux... And when we talk about distributions, we often talk about desktops. So which one do you prefer?

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Re: Linux
« Reply #37, on March 11th, 2015, 05:13 PM »
Quote from CerealGuy on March 11th, 2015, 03:46 PM
And more consist of captured windows boxes.
What is your source?
Quote from CerealGuy on March 11th, 2015, 03:46 PM
Really, no one cares about which OS you use.
I'd call this a brave thought, given it's posted in a thread about "who of you uses a certain OS?"...
Quote from CerealGuy on March 11th, 2015, 03:46 PM
And when we talk about distributions, we often talk about desktops. So which one do you prefer?
Technically, bspwm (but I'm stuck with awesome wm yet because I'm still not done configuring bspwm).

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Re: Linux
« Reply #38, on March 12th, 2015, 11:00 PM »
Quote from CerealGuy on March 11th, 2015, 03:46 PM
And more consist of captured windows boxes. You can even hack freebsd boxes. But often its not the fault of the os, but of the admin. And no os helps agains a bad admin, so this discussion is not only completely off topic but also totally pointless. No one, not even you, cares about which OS is more secure. The main difference between windows and linux is that its a lot easier to gain admin rights on windows than on linux. To exploit it from outside none of both is really vulnerable. Software is but not the OS (if we talk about the "big" os'es).
This
Quote from CerealGuy on March 11th, 2015, 03:46 PM
You are not able to talk about an OS without some dumbass trying to show why his os decision is so much better. Really, no one cares about which OS you use.
It happens often
Quote from CerealGuy on March 11th, 2015, 03:46 PM
But to get back to the topic, im always struggling a bit with the desktop environment. As mentioned before im using cinnamon in the moment. Im happy with it, but not to happy :D Thought about trying the new xfce version but my system has problems with the testing repos of archlinux... And when we talk about distributions, we often talk about desktops. So which one do you prefer?
I tried Cinnamon, it seems ok (but it does freeze randomly, I think it's because I have no swap drive / file), was going to try Awesome but I ended up going back to my MacBook so I could talk to my friends on mumble (and play PS3 GTA).
Quote from forumsearch0r on March 11th, 2015, 05:13 PM
I'd call this a brave thought, given it's posted in a thread about "who of you uses a certain OS?"...
It asked if you use a certain OS, since you don't why bash it on the thread!

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Re: Linux
« Reply #39,  »
Changing to Linux was one of the best day's work I ever did. Mint, Mate and Xfce, Zorin Lite, Bodhi plus always willing to experiment with other distros - Marvellous.

Farewell product keys, activation codes, constant techno-nagging, having to prove my innocence that what I'm using is a legal copy, what seems hours spending updating, not to mention Microsoft's greedy mates at Symantec, McAfee et al, plus my credit card is now on permanent holiday.

I do occasionally use older versions of Windows for some software eg. Arcsoft VHS to DVD transfer or some hardware eg. Canon scanner or Lexmark multi-purpose machines because those companies flatly refuse not only to build drivers for freesource systems but also refuse to release the source codes so said drivers can be built by a third party.

I find Linux to be overall lighter, faster, considerably more reliable, stable and secure though I also use Clamav just in case plus Very sophisticated control over the system can be exercised via the command line and shell.

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Re: Linux
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Yeah... On a daily basis, I think it's easier to circumvent the naggers than adapt to the peculiarities of Linux.

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Re: Linux
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Quote from Nao on September 16th, 2016, 11:22 AM
Yeah... On a daily basis, I think it's easier to circumvent the naggers than adapt to the peculiarities of Linux.
Sometimes peculiarities are benefits :angel:

Stick to the tool/os which gets shit done best for you. That's what matters :lol:

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Re: Linux
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The naggers of Linux (systemd, PulseAudio, the arrogant community, the general lack of security audits - ex.: OpenSSL, bash, ... - and many others) are only a small fraction of the reasons why I don't use Linux. <_<