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Re: Oh, I meant to share this a while ago
« Reply #15, on May 17th, 2013, 08:16 PM »
Quite easily. I don't remember the last time I looked at the member's list here...

(not defending vBulletin, just saying the member's list isn't necessarily a huge deal)
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Re: Oh, I meant to share this a while ago
« Reply #16, on May 17th, 2013, 08:30 PM »
I'm still not understanding something. A forum has members. The list of members has to be in the database. So how can there not be a member's list - a table in the database? Isn't it by definition a requirement to have a list of members? How can you keep track of who's a member of the forum if you don't have that? What am I not understanding here? I know I must be sounding incredibly stupid but I really don't follow why a member's list would not/could not be provided extremely easily.

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Re: Oh, I meant to share this a while ago
« Reply #17, on May 17th, 2013, 08:36 PM »
Ok so Arantor beat me to it. I dont think the member list is really important either. I've even wanted to remove it from the menu and maybe put it in or next to the who's online bit. I spent more than a year moderating a vB forum before even figuring where the members list was.

I'm sure the table.is there,just no means of displaying the list like with the members button here.
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Re: Oh, I meant to share this a while ago
« Reply #19, on May 17th, 2013, 08:42 PM »
OK guys. :bah:

I always use the member list to look at things such as sorting it by registration date, number of replies, last logon time,last logon date,  position ... I look at those lists to learn what is going on with my members. Maybe I'm too anal retentive but I use it a lot.

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Re: Oh, I meant to share this a while ago
« Reply #20, on May 17th, 2013, 08:44 PM »
Oh, I'm not saying it doesn't have a use. Simply that we (spoogs and I, can't vouch for anyone else) don't have a lot of use for it.

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Re: Oh, I meant to share this a while ago
« Reply #21, on May 18th, 2013, 01:02 AM »
Quote from Arantor on May 17th, 2013, 08:44 PM
Oh, I'm not saying it doesn't have a use. Simply that we (spoogs and I, can't vouch for anyone else) don't have a lot of use for it.
Acknowledged.

Follow-up question if I may. If the member list function/retrieval process worked in a previous version of this vBulletin, why might they have removed the "feature"? It seems like it is a rather benign sort of computing process - getting together a memberlist. Do you think they considered removing it an improvement, or do you think other "improvements" in other areas may have broken it and they didn't have time to fix it? In other words have you any insight into why something like a member list would be removed?

Thanks.

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Re: Oh, I meant to share this a while ago
« Reply #22, on May 18th, 2013, 01:12 AM »
Because, apparently, vB 5 is a 'built from scratch', meaning that instead of evolving vB 4, they trashed it and started over, like they did with vB 4 after vB 3.

There are some legitimate reasons you might do that, in terms of code cleanliness perhaps, but otherwise it's generally an admission that what you had before is so bad it can't be fixed.

In this case, they started from fresh, didn't have the memberlist code and decided they weren't going to write it. Notice the lack of 'it will be added in future versions', almost conspicuous in its absence, unlike the warnings system which is merely a 'shit, we ran out of time' moment because they rushed it in an attempt to get it out the door prior to the lawsuit wrapping up. Unfortunately it may have cost them more dearly than the meagre (by all accounts) sales they did manage to get out of that exercise.

Mind you, phpBB 4 is in a similar situation to that, they're not going to upgrade phpBB 3.x, but phpBB 4 is a 'from scratch', not that phpBB doesn't need a serious overhaul or anything ;) Though it's a bit different when you're talking about a group of volunteers making something vs a company pushing out a paid product.


:edit: vB 4 was not 'from scratch' entirely because vB 3 was a trainwreck that couldn't be fixed, it was that the code was perceived to be creaking from being too powerful and too tightly woven and they wanted to uncouple things somewhat. That, in itself, is fair enough reason to do so, only it needed to have been done properly, something which Internet Brands wasn't willing to pay for. XenForo, effectively, is what vB 4 would have been had Kier and Mike been allowed to build it their way rather than outsourcing coders and letting head office 'quality check' (which is what happened with vB 4 and that was a buggy POS when it landed, but nothing on the scale of vB 5)

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Re: Oh, I meant to share this a while ago
« Reply #25, on May 18th, 2013, 03:54 PM »
It reminds me of the craze during the 1980's for Nouvelle Cuisine : you pay high prices for almost nothing on your plate.  >:(

I did go onto a VB demo site to look around the admin section but to me it looked clumsier than phpBB.

Re: Oh, I meant to share this a while ago
« Reply #26, on May 19th, 2013, 02:19 AM »
I never much ever cared for Vboard, I like SMF better in many ways, and hopefully Wedge will and SMF will get more attention now. Nut still the Wedge and the plug-in ideas, as they seem, will be bigger plus, in way the more usefulness of the system (not just a forum). Never had much trouble operation the older versions of Vb, but like I said did not care for it, and they all looked to the same, at lease most times!

Many times these things happen when they get too big, and gain too much confidence. ...same thing happens to Face B00k and others out there, so this the time for SMF to get moving, maybe?? or not. depends on ( who Knows ) now days but the door is opening! I know Wedge is ever moving so, that's cool!
 
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