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Women in the Workplace/Life
« on March 11th, 2013, 07:51 PM »
Maybe get on a few nerves here, but this is my opinion.

I don't mind women in the workplace, but there are certain things that bother me.

One situation I can think of happen recently, well it happens quite often, but I will speak of a certain instance. One day there was a box that needed to be put up. Not really a heavy box maybe around 5 to 10lbs. Will a young lady asked me to pick it up because in her old words "I am too much of a girly girl.". I am thinking to myself then why are you even working here and why should I be making the same amount as her when I have to exert more energy on the job. Like I said this wouldn't bother me too much but it is a constant thing. You know if she asked once in a long while to pick up something that is actually heavy.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of women that pull their weight around but ones like the one who should be nameless above really @#$% me off.

Another thing not so bad though but the door thing. You know how it is polite to hold open a door for a lady. This don't bother me but don't take advantage of it ladies. When I am about to enter a convince store, hold the door open for my wife and child and here comes a line who also wants the door open, well true story. I actually held the door open for so long that my wife was already waiting for me at the checkout.

Enough rant, but it does get on my nerves and figured I would vent it here.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #1, on March 11th, 2013, 08:01 PM »
>_<

I sympathise, though. I remember the office job I used to work in, men had to wear shirt + tie, women... not so much. The rules just seemed so lax by comparison and the rules weren't often properly enforced.

Mind you. I got my own back in the end. Even then - and we're going back almost a decade now - I had long hair and had it tied back. Until my hairband snapped one day and the head of HR saw me and was all "why isn't your hair tied back?"

Now, remember, I was just a lowly grunt at this point in time, I was pretty much working in the mail room. I never met the 'customer', never spoke to them, etc. so there was really no need for me to look entirely presentable.

But the head of HR... was a woman and had long hair. And I utter the magic words - no, not 'Surely you see the hypocrisy of what you're saying?' but simply "I don't see any rules that the women also have to have their hair tied back. Are you going to discriminate against me because I'm male?" or words to that effect. Certainly 'discrimination' was the word used. The look on her face was priceless.

Then a couple of years later (and a change of HR boss later), I was on temporary assignment to the facilities department. and for health and safety reasons, we didn't wear ties. But of course when I returned back to my old stomping ground, back to the ties. And I gently took my boss aside and made mention of the whole gender discrimination angle, followed by the fact that 'unless Facilities is going to change paper in the printers, and the fax machines and whatnot, it's also a health and safety issue', and then there was a meeting with HR and a few weeks later it was announced that ties were no longer a requirement. Funny that.

I have absolutely no issue with equality in the workplace, as far as practical but the door swings both ways.
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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #2, on March 11th, 2013, 08:08 PM »
Quote from Arantor on March 11th, 2013, 08:01 PM
I have absolutely no issue with equality in the workplace, as far as practical but the door swings both ways.
Same here, just seems like they got more rights then us men folk. Didn't always used to be this way, spare the history lesson when women really didn't have rights, but I just wish for equality.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #3, on March 11th, 2013, 08:09 PM »
Don't complicate yourself, don't help the lady to pick up things and don't hold the door for them.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #4, on March 11th, 2013, 08:12 PM »
Yeah, but then we're accused of being pig-headed, arrogant and/or misogynistic.

* Arantor has been down this road.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #5, on March 11th, 2013, 08:21 PM »
Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 08:09 PM
Don't complicate yourself, don't help the lady to pick up things and don't hold the door for them.

The grass is always greener on the other side.
Don't always work that way...

At a ice house I worked in between jobs brings up another situation. It was a ice house so they could only afford a limited amount of staff. There was always plenty of work though, however we did have one slacker. The place didn't want to get rid of her though because they feared that she would later on sue them for gender discrimination. However bagging and stacking ice had to be done, however she was excused from it since she was a women. While we bagged and stacked the ice, the labor part she just sat in a nice warm office and didn't do a thing. She did help with the hauling however that was done with power equipment and hand trucks. Once again same pay more exertion done by myself. Maybe I can turn it around and said the company discriminated against me due to me being a male and made me do more work, ah whats the use.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #7, on March 11th, 2013, 08:44 PM »
No, it isn't, that's the point. The point is that from experience, men can't possibly be right, whatever we do it's wrong.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #8, on March 11th, 2013, 08:49 PM »
My point is that anyone can rant about injustice and gender, a woman can also rant about injustice just as easily as men and their rants are just as valid to them as mens rants are valid to men.

There will never be anything like gender equality.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #9, on March 11th, 2013, 08:55 PM »
Sure they can. But it's funny how when women do it, it's 'liberation' and 'because we live in a gender biased society' as though it is a legitimate complaint, but when men complain about it, it's wrong that we're complaining about it.

Like I said, it works both ways.
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a woman can also rant about injustice just as easily as men and their rants are just as valid to them as mens rants are valid to men
Except you're implying that the rants are both invalid. They're both equally valid, in that there's a problem. It's how the rants are perceived. You've obviously decided that it's acceptable for men to be discriminated against as long as women aren't.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #10, on March 11th, 2013, 08:57 PM »
If I program a robot to lift it better lift and not give me problems about if I programmed x or y in its software routine when x or y doesn't affect its lifting capabilities. Especially when the x routine is used and the load is well within the boundaries of the software and hardware.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #11, on March 11th, 2013, 09:01 PM »
I just said each gender have its own unique set of rants and each gender thinks the other gender gets better treatment. It has always been like that. Never said anything about rants being invalid.

The only reason why is labeled as "liberation" is because we live in a male oriented society. There are many cultures under matriarchy that has the same complaints exept is the other way around, when mens complain it gets viewed as "liberation", simply because is a matriarchy  society.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #12, on March 11th, 2013, 09:06 PM »
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each gender thinks the other gender gets better treatment.
That's just your opinion. It's wrong, but we'll let that go for a minute.
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There are many cultures under matriarchy that has the same complaints exept is the other way around, when mens complain it gets viewed as "liberation", simply because is a matriarchy  society.
Except you don't understand why this is wrong. The complaints of one gender vs the other are not suddenly more legitimate because of whichever gender is currently dominant. Both sides have legitimate complaints, except one side's arguments are respected as 'liberation' and the other side's is NOT respected because that's sexist.

Consider, for example, spousal abuse. If a man hits a woman, that's thoroughly wrong - as it should be. But what if a woman hits a man? Don't tell me it doesn't happen. It's just as wrong, but it's perceived differently because of the gender bias.

Drop the 'liberation' nonsense. Drop the 'grass is greener' nonsense. Both sides have inequalities. Both sides would do well to remember the opinions of the other side.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #13, on March 11th, 2013, 09:12 PM »
Again, never said anything about one gender rants being more legitimate than the other, I simply said both genders has rants, whatever way you want to see them is up to you.

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Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
« Reply #14, on March 11th, 2013, 09:18 PM »
Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 09:01 PM
I just said each gender have its own unique set of rants and each gender thinks the other gender gets better treatment.
In the case of doing more work due to gender, how is it justified that just because I am male I have to exert more energy by doing more of the heavy lifting. Energy isn't free, I have to get my energy from substance. So spending more money on substance and still getting the same pay. Which if you think about it in mathematical terms I am actually getting paid less since I have to spend some of my pay on substance to do the extra work.

This isn't a complaint about doing more work, but spending more and getting same back in return.

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