Arantor

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Re: System visitations: vB 3.8.7
« Reply #15, on February 26th, 2013, 04:36 AM »
Yeah, there are a number of things wrong with how SMF handles board moderators, not least the notion of confusing the hell out of people! I don't believe board moderators can access the moderation centre out of the box (but of course if you mess around with extra groups it will, of course)

That does get into the very thorny issue of access, but it also makes me wonder something else. There's no reason it explicitly has to be a 'board' with 'topics', yes it'd be nice if it did, but it would create a lot of problems in its own right. As an interim solution, the 'moderation' board could simply be a way of presenting what's in the existing report area based on what boards the current viewer is a moderator of.

What I'm proposing is essentially a real board with virtual topics. It wouldn't be searchable (at present, but it could be, is complicated!), but it could be placed within the ACP wherever the admin wanted. There would need to be additional logic to prevent multiple boards, and I know Nao won't like the idea of having a physical board that consumes space in the boards table.[1]

There's other stuff we could do instead, like having a virtual board shoved on the end of the board index unless another real board takes its place. It's all things that are doable, it's just minimising the damage otherwise.
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This however does raise the debate we had on SD as to whether the person reporting the post should be able to see the report.
This is the real killer advantage of making it a physical board with virtual posts, we can get the list of posts on demand and enforce visibility properly.
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As for membergroup requests, I remember trying to get a plugin for SD as to where a ticket would be created when someone requests to join a group. A board could do as well, as it stands I think just the PM is a bit limited.
Yup. That's also all doable and I would imagine that you could go one further and integrate group requests into the same basic idea. It's what I'd do, put it that way ;)
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I'm a bit tired so some of this may just be babble ATM
It's 3.36am. I do tired babble most of the time myself ;)
 1. It is one of the reasons why we both want rid of the recycle bin as a physical board.
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Re: System visitations: vB 3.8.7
« Reply #16, on February 26th, 2013, 06:30 PM »
Quote from Arantor on February 26th, 2013, 04:36 AM
Yeah, there are a number of things wrong with how SMF handles board moderators, not least the notion of confusing the hell out of people! I don't believe board moderators can access the moderation centre out of the box (but of course if you mess around with extra groups it will, of course)
They cannot and that did confuse the heck out of me when I first started with SMF, I even had an entire topic somewhat blasting the moderators for not doing their job as I was the only person dealing with the reported posts. They kept saying they didnt see any reported post and I would go on about its because I already dealt with them.... only to find out that indeed they couldn't access the mod centre :wow:
Quote from Arantor on February 26th, 2013, 04:36 AM
That does get into the very thorny issue of access, but it also makes me wonder something else. There's no reason it explicitly has to be a 'board' with 'topics', yes it'd be nice if it did, but it would create a lot of problems in its own right. As an interim solution, the 'moderation' board could simply be a way of presenting what's in the existing report area based on what boards the current viewer is a moderator of.
Would commenting and replying be available though?
Quote from Arantor on February 26th, 2013, 04:36 AM
What I'm proposing is essentially a real board with virtual topics. It wouldn't be searchable (at present, but it could be, is complicated!), but it could be placed within the ACP wherever the admin wanted. There would need to be additional logic to prevent multiple boards, and I know Nao won't like the idea of having a physical board that consumes space in the boards table.[1]
 1. It is one of the reasons why we both want rid of the recycle bin as a physical board.
I think this answer my previous question :thanks:
Quote from Arantor on February 26th, 2013, 04:36 AM
There's other stuff we could do instead, like having a virtual board shoved on the end of the board index unless another real board takes its place. It's all things that are doable, it's just minimising the damage otherwise.
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This however does raise the debate we had on SD as to whether the person reporting the post should be able to see the report.
This is the real killer advantage of making it a physical board with virtual posts, we can get the list of posts on demand and enforce visibility properly.
This is where I trust you guys judgement in the end.
Quote from Arantor on February 26th, 2013, 04:36 AM
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As for membergroup requests, I remember trying to get a plugin for SD as to where a ticket would be created when someone requests to join a group. A board could do as well, as it stands I think just the PM is a bit limited.
Yup. That's also all doable and I would imagine that you could go one further and integrate group requests into the same basic idea. It's what I'd do, put it that way ;)
Now that I'm somewhat refreshed, this aches the question of who would see the group requests? I ask as Wedge doesn't seem to have group moderators as in SMF
Stick a fork in it SMF

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Re: System visitations: vB 3.8.7
« Reply #17, on February 26th, 2013, 07:29 PM »
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They cannot and that did confuse the heck out of me when I first started with SMF, I even had an entire topic somewhat blasting the moderators for not doing their job as I was the only person dealing with the reported posts. They kept saying they didnt see any reported post and I would go on about its because I already dealt with them.... only to find out that indeed they couldn't access the mod centre
One of the more fun things about SMF, yes. I've wanted to do something with it for a while.
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Would commenting and replying be available though?
Don't see why not. Essentially it's just about taking what's already there in the DB and displaying it in a new way, at least as far as I'm concerned.
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Now that I'm somewhat refreshed, this aches the question of who would see the group requests? I ask as Wedge doesn't seem to have group moderators as in SMF
We haven't removed it, it's there just as it was in SMF ;) But that doesn't change how awkward it is.

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Re: System visitations: vB 3.8.7
« Reply #18, on February 26th, 2013, 07:46 PM »
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We haven't removed it, it's there just as it was in SMF ;) But that doesn't change how awkward it is.
Oh yes it is there indeed, I just re-checked and remember I had deleted all the groups I created when testing and had also renamed the groups created at default so I must have been looking at the old moderator group and hadnt seen the option but after creating a new group just now it is there.

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Re: System visitations: vB 3.8.7
« Reply #19, on February 28th, 2013, 10:24 PM »
You have written in posts more then I have in all my years on forums. :eheh:

In all a great write up and very in depth.Learned alot more about VB.
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