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Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
« Reply #5, on February 8th, 2013, 07:54 PM »
I remember when i was moderator in a vbulletin forum, and in that time vb didnt came with facebook integration, so he had a plugin for that, and they had some strange code type for the iframe tags to see who liked and followed, and they droped that, so conclusion people couldnt register to the board and since the was no system to install that mod, it was editing the files itself, took alot of time to fix it.
And then we have the api changing every time.

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Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
« Reply #7, on February 8th, 2013, 08:27 PM »
Any kind of embedding of any content you don't have *total control* over is fundamentally dangerous. Even down to attachments, potentially, if you think about it.

It's all about what is acceptable risk.

Content inside an iframe theoretically should not normally be able to break out of the iframe. At least that's how it's supposed to be implemented. From a practicality and usability perspective, it's better than using Flash to embed video.

Privacy is a much thornier issue, and it's why crap like the half-assed cookie law came into play.[1]

The only way to get around that, then, is to simply not embed anything. That's cool, it's an option. Site owners have the choice.

They do also have the choice to use/not use FB Connect. MY choice is to not put them in the core. I have no problems defending this logic: aside from the practicalities attached to maintaining APIs as a core feature, I am wary of encouraging admins to defer control of authentication to a third party.

The fact that FB connect usually doesn't generate good forum participation is a small matter.
 1. The intent of the law is sound. The implementation is not.

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Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
« Reply #8, on February 8th, 2013, 09:05 PM »
Why not having a function to grab an image for video preview (the exact name doesn't come to my mind right now), make it link and let the user go to youtube/video website directly (target="_blank")? Of course there should be a caching mechanism for all video preview images.

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Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
« Reply #11, on February 25th, 2013, 01:54 PM »
For me I have Repaired and  Custom Built PCs for many, One Note I'd express, it that most all Computers I repair have way too many pops up, or start-ups applications (social net stuff) that it takes for ever, just to get to the problems all these things have infected the Unit with... I've had occassion when I have to spend 2 days cleaning out Bugs and junk for the PC before I could even determine if the unit it's self has issues... Too many use the PC as a Toy, rather than a Tool! I know many come from Email, but found way more from the social sites! and So called Free software offers.

That being said, People love to play so if you are one of those your going to pay to play, in most cases!

I have many tips and application you use to help prevent this stuff and wasting Money on the damage done. If anyone is interest feel free to let me know. And One big Hint is, that a few of the paid,  highly used and Big Boy applications out there cause more bad than good. One reason is everyone is out to crack them. and It take more than one application and or tools to do the trick, and them you should have back u weapons if you will to kill the bugs LOL!

And remember always, "I am always watching you, watching me, watching you"

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Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
« Reply #13, on February 25th, 2013, 02:38 PM »
I'm sorry I was under the impression that Social Nets like FB, were on the Web, My bad, and it's what they cause and do that is the subject and just what did I do to you friend?

Sorry I posted my thoughts here in you domain Bro!

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Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
« Reply #14, on February 25th, 2013, 03:37 PM »
Quote from MultiformeIngegno on February 8th, 2013, 08:02 PM
I'm wondering if we should think about a different implementation of YouTube (or generic websites) video embedding. Iframe is dangerous too, both for privacy concerns and for this example..
The 'old' way of embedding YT with Aeva was to use the embed tags.
I was told that it made it impossible for iOS users to view a video, and asked to change it to the iframe code...
So I did that.
I also changed, also upon request, the YT URL to youtube-nocookie.com to keep privacy ayatollahs quiet (but mostly to avoid sending cookies for nothing, thus saving bandwidth...), and recently found out that my custom Android ROM's anti-ad list had that domain in its list... Making it instantly impossible for me to load any YT videos posted in Wedge or SMF forums.

Funny, eh...? How it's impossible to please everyone, including me...

Regarding thumbnails. If you'll remember, Aeva Media does exactly that for YT embeds posted directly to a gallery album. It generates a thumbnail for the item list.
It works great.

Actually, it looks like Elk is going to do just that, for regular YT embeds. I'm wishing them luck, because writing a generic embed module for multiple video sites is not exactly easy. (And I won't release Aeva for Elk... Not for the reasons you'd think, though.)

Personally, I like thumbnails, too, but in a post context, I'd rather have a video-sized image, and then have the image be replaced with the embed when clicking. This would eliminate the JavaScript-loading mess, but OTOH it requires too many tweaking to attachment code (or gallery code) for it to be something I'd like to implement in Wedge itself... Eh.
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