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Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« Reply #15, on December 16th, 2012, 09:04 PM »
And that's two platforms I've never heard of and one that is by comparison so niche it's unreal. WordPress has come to the fore for some reason[1] and most people don't know anything else.

The point I was making is that while there *are* alternatives to WP, they're a long way down the totem pole, while in the forum world, it's not as if there is one serious front-runner, there are several that all joust for position.
 1. And that reason certainly isn't merit.
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Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« Reply #16, on December 16th, 2012, 09:46 PM »
Quote from Arantor on December 16th, 2012, 09:04 PM
And that's two platforms I've never heard of
Probably because they focused their efforts on the French community, although SPIP has a lot of translations available and I'm sure it's popular in a couple of other languages..?!
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The point I was making is that while there *are* alternatives to WP, they're a long way down the totem pole, while in the forum world, it's not as if there is one serious front-runner, there are several that all joust for position.
Oh, I'm afraid I'll have to say vBulletin is kind of the winner these last few years... I tend to refuse registering on vB forums, and I've had my share of "oh well, just for THIS forum then............."

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Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« Reply #17, on December 16th, 2012, 10:04 PM »
Don't worry, vBulletin is going to come crashing down a bit when vB 5 lands, it's going to upset a lot of people. Not to mention that the lawsuit against XenForo has effectively frozen development now, to the point where there has been no new releases, not even bug fixes, in the best part of a year, and I'm given to understand that one of the two developers has also left the company.

Next year is going to be a very interesting year since I see no reason why we won't be able to push forward to some kind of public release.

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Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« Reply #18, on December 16th, 2012, 11:00 PM »
I'm not worrying... That vB is actually successful despite sucking in the first place (bad UI choices mostly), is simply what bothers me...

Next year, I'm guessing Wedge will be directly propelled to the Top 5 of best forum software, but OTOH maybe myBB or others will have caught up as well... Never underestimate competition ;)

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Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« Reply #19, on December 16th, 2012, 11:20 PM »
Remember that vB has been around for over a decade, as has phpBB and because vB has been around that long, and survived, it's been very much the 'go to' software, despite Internet Brands trying so hard to kill the momentum with 3.7 onwards (which is when their meddling started, 4.0 was the first version that was solely produced by them and Kier himself even said that it couldn't be done in the timescale that IB wanted it done in, seeing how the manager of Jelsoft was lying to IB about how far development into 4.0 was, the whole thing's a nuclear CF.)

I'd love to see Wedge there this time next year but I'm also aware that MyBB has an awful lot of snobbish fanboys who will tell all their friends not to use Wedge because it's 'a modified SMF'. Lots of arrogance right there.

(Mind you, interesting fact, MyBB was copyrighted from 2003, just as SMF was, and yet their forum is less than 1/4 the size of SMF's support forum.)

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Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« Reply #20, on December 16th, 2012, 11:36 PM »
I personally pray that our support forum will be 1/4 the size of MyBB's, even less would be better, if only because I know I'll never read all of those posts anyway... :P

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Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« Reply #23, on December 17th, 2012, 12:39 AM »
Well, IPB is kinda ugly under the hood and there are some things I really don't like about the way it does things, but all in all, it's really not that bad. It's not particularly efficient, but to a point that's a valid assessment on IPB's part - if you're paying for the software, you're likely to be prepared to pay for decent hosting too so the higher number of queries is acceptable.

What amazes me, really, is what's included out of the box. There's a shit-ton of features I would never have thought of, let alone integrated for easy use. Things like LDAP support, IP.Connect, RSS importing (feed posting) as well as truly configurable RSS exports (you can actually configure what feeds are available, rather than having something that just serves whatever's requested, permission permitting)

One of these days I should go through and do a commentary on everything it has. XenForo was, IMNSHO, not really worth the cash. I'm not entirely sure about IPB's plugins, but IP Core itself is quite reasonable for what you get.
Re: Programming styles, and does it really matter?
« Reply #24, on December 17th, 2012, 05:56 AM »
Also, one thing I've resolved that I'm going to do in the next few days is to extend my spreadsheet. I've already said I have a spreadsheet of SMF mods, and what I'm going to do is add the features of IPB (that aren't already mirrored in an SMF mod that needs making anew for Wedge) to the bottom as part of my to-do list. I don't need to look at the code to do that, I can see the admin functions and figure out what I'd like to see for Wedge in plugin form.

I certainly won't be touching any code of theirs if I can possibly help it, partly because it's the right thing to do (to avoid looking) and partly because I hate their coding standards. So many extra spaces everywhere and way too many extra braces, it almost physically hurts to read their code.
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