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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #75, on October 29th, 2012, 09:45 PM »
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@Pete> There's an x86 version of Android, which can be used to install it on a computer (there's a website dedicated to that, can't remember the URL.) It can also be run in a VM, and it's faster than the stock Windows Android emulator. (Although Intel now ships special drivers for that emulator that make it way, way faster... Actually twice faster than a S3 or something.)
*shrug* There's also an x86 version of iOS - it's how the Simulator works in Xcode. But it's still mostly irrelevant given that this latest article was nothing to do with Android or iOS and solely about removing optical drives from the laptop and bigger devices.
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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #77, on October 30th, 2012, 04:23 PM »Last edited on October 30th, 2012, 04:50 PM
Yeah but the article is about Apple being the first to get rid of the optical drive. The author is basically saying they are pioneering but they are not. Yes it is another Apple fanboy site which explains everything, but spinning less media PC's have been around for already quite some time even before Android was conceived. Most were and still being used though as small POS units in retail shops. I was planning to buy one a few years back to make a media PC out of it for the TV at home, never got around to it though. There is no spinning disk at all on these devices, all solid state, a few ports and that is it.

*edit, more to add

I guess it is how you look at Apple. Most people think of Apple as of Apple vs Microsoft but that isn't the case to me. When I hear Apple I consider Apple as mainly hardware and Apple a little as the software. Microsoft only makes software so Microsoft vs Apple doesn't make any sense. So what does make sense to me Apple vs the entire PC world.

In the past Apple used to bash the entire PC market and that is who they are up against. They got allot to compete against and this is where the fanboys are blind. To the fanboys there is only PC, which PC is not one line and never the same internals.

Does this mean I am a fan of Microsoft, no, I hope Microsoft dies they are or maybe more crooked than Apple. They both want control over the market and over the users.

What I am a fan of is openness, so mainly I a rooting for the open source OSes.

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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #78, on October 30th, 2012, 04:50 PM »
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Yeah but the article is about Apple being the first to get rid of the optical drive. The author is basically saying they are pioneering but they are not.
Is it not pioneering to say 'We're dropping optical drives across our entire range'?
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but spinning less media PC's have been around for already quite some time even before Android was conceived
For the second time, WTF has Android got to do with it?

We're talking about 17" laptops and 27" all-in-one desktops, not mobile devices! Big boxes that have no normal reason to drop optical media.

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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #79, on October 30th, 2012, 04:55 PM »
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but spinning less media PC's have been around for already quite some time even before Android was conceived
For the second time, WTF has Android got to do with it?

We're talking about 17" laptops and 27" all-in-one desktops, not mobile devices! Big boxes that have no normal reason to drop optical media.
I was just making a comparison to my first post, I think you took it out of context because I wasn't talking about Android just making a comparison that a PC done it before Android which Android is irrelevant. I could've left Android out of the post and the same meaning would of been present. Like, "PC's have done this for quite some time already.", nothing Android about that sentence.

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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #80, on October 30th, 2012, 05:00 PM »
I took it with the only context that was there - the article is explaining how Apple is removing optical drives from their laptops and their desktop boxes (which formerly had such), just like they were the first to drop floppy drives from their boxes as a standard thing.

There is no manufacturer I can think of that has entirely removed optical media from *all* their products going forward and delegated it to external devices for those who really need it. Go on, show me one manufacturer who has done it across the board, not just on a couple of products.

The only 'out of context' is the comparison to Android as though Apple only competes in the mobile market and thus everything is in reference to that...

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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #81, on October 30th, 2012, 05:14 PM »
I don't know about across their whole product line. I am sure if I did a search I may find a few, if we are doing across the line. Maybe find a few china companies or such. Searching...

Posiflex - It is a PC, a POS but still a PC
FOX ELECTRONICS TECHNOLOGY - Makes drive less mini PC's only with a few other devices such as cams, tvs, etc.

Will found two, one may not count, second one does and it is across their line and a small time manufacturer too.

Also I am not sure but maybe US English is different in how we structure and express our sentences that my point may be coming up differently to your interpretation. That is a theory though, because you're still twisting my words.


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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #82, on October 30th, 2012, 05:17 PM »
Are Fox Electronics Technology consumer-level PCs? Doesn't sound like it.

As far as 'twisting' goes, the only twisting appears to be yours because Apple couldn't possibly ever do anything right, could they?

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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #83, on October 30th, 2012, 08:05 PM »
Quote from nend on October 30th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Also I am not sure but maybe US English is different in how we structure and express our sentences that my point may be coming up differently to your interpretation. That is a theory though, because you're still twisting my words.
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Anyway, I think that Apple is pioneering indeed. They didn't just drop floppy back in the days and cd/dvd player now, they're always pushing new technologies (h264, html5), also sometimes at the expense of users understanding (SSDs vs gigantic HDDs). They also revitalized the media market, prey of the piracy before (and still, for the most part). Think about iTunes Match, there's nothing like that, it's a way to legalize what was lost. It creates a market in some ways ( who said "app store"? ;) ).

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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #84, on October 30th, 2012, 10:33 PM »
Quote from lazyt on October 30th, 2012, 03:27 AM
Nao you mean this one?  http://www.android-x86.org/

Android in VirtualBox is interesting.
This one is an image ready for use in VirtualBox and co, yes.
But you can also use the Android simulator + x86 image + Intel drivers, it will be just as fast as in the VB and have a bit more options. Plus it downloads itself through the SDK manager. (Although I have to say, they could have indicated in the software that you have to manually navigate to the SDK folder and install the drivers yourself...)
Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #85, on October 30th, 2012, 10:38 PM »Last edited on October 30th, 2012, 10:54 PM
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Nexus S, but its kinda old although its a Nexus and can easily run Jelly Bean.
But it's 800x480, innit...? 233 ppi. Not very good. I doubt it would give me the same 'wow' factor as when I first got my iPod Touch 4.
Definitely no wow factor, but today I had the opportunity to quickly try a Sony Xperia Arc S.
Has a 854x480 4.2'' screen and is 6.3cm in width. This is *exactly* the right width for my hand. I also tried a (fake) Xperia S and it's a couple of millimeters larger, and it felt a tad awkward. Then I tried a (fake) S3 again and it sucked even more. Which is too bad, because the S3 really is my dream phone, from start to finish...

Anyway, here's the new thing: not only was the Arc S the 'perfect size' for me, but its size and ppi (around 233) were good enough to be usable for me. I realize it's not as sharp as my iPod, but it makes a smart use of subpixels to make it very hard to distinguish the pixels in text mode. I had to get closer to the screen to distinguish them. So... Yeah, I guess it's usable, and that it doesn't matter that the resolution is smaller than my iPod.

I still need the phone to have a removable battery, and for that reason the Xperia devices are a no-no to me. Too bad, I really, really liked the TouchWiz interface... :edit: Meant Timescape. TouchWiz is Samsung's. Not too shabby either.

Any thoughts anyone..?

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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #87, on November 1st, 2012, 12:03 AM »
Apple doing what Google has been trying to do for some while. Introduce search to the desktop.

It's a bold move an I applaud it. Whether or not it works out is another thing.

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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #88, on November 1st, 2012, 12:06 AM »
Pin Locate32 on your taskbar. Problem solved... ;)

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Re: iHate Apple
« Reply #89, on November 3rd, 2012, 06:38 AM »
However Apple does plenty right, you have to be doing something right for the fanboys to follow. To all their own opinion though, maybe I skimmed over the article but I don't think I am wrong with the things I pointed out with two key points taken out(across product line and only laptop/desktop OSes). Maybe if I had the time to read the full article things would've been in context more but I just don't have the time to read something that isn't really going to have any significant value or gain.

Some may read for enjoyment but I read to expand my knowledge about things that are going to be useful to me.

It might be bold move by Apple but I rather have the choice of what I want in the computer.