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[Poll] Board status icons: what's the point?
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Fix or remove the "unread" status?

Fix!
3 (17.6%)
Remove and replace with what you suggested!
13 (76.5%)
Remove everything!
1 (5.9%)
Total Members Voted: 15

Johnny54

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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #30, on March 30th, 2014, 04:36 PM »
Maybe my message sounded more harsh than I meant it to do.
It wasn't meant to attack you, only telling I feel lost looking at a list of boards and no sign where there are new posts. I tried to imagine what the effect would be before submitting to the poll. Now after the implementation it it really hit me and I don't like it.
I didn't  get into a discussion because I am not familiar enough with all the terminology and technology involved with the software.
I even had to read your message multiple times to be sure I did understand  before voting.
Quote from Nao on March 30th, 2014, 10:59 AM
Judging from your lack of participation after Pete left, I'd say you've been thinking that since that day.
That's an unfounded conclusion. As I already told you I am not familiar with terminology and programming stuff and lately many discussions are technical and I can hardly participate in those.

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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #32, on March 30th, 2014, 05:13 PM »
Well with the unread post and replies, not mention this :
(Last post by Nao in [Poll] Re: Board status ... Today at 10:04 AM)
to right side cell... I see the icon as way over kill, ugly and typical.

Can that Div cell be removed, without screwing up the db, just in the BoardIndex.template?

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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #33, on March 30th, 2014, 11:32 PM »
Well, there are many ways to remove it, of course. Not harm done either way.

I'm surprised no one's trying to discuss the various alternatives I gave...?

[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #35, on March 30th, 2014, 11:52 PM »Last edited on March 30th, 2014, 11:59 PM by Maxx
Don't know if I'm answering correctly to your thoughts, but I say if it's already up, like I mention above in post, one the right hand side it gives the date.time group and author of the last poster.. so that is covered, on the unread post and replies links that's covered, and if you click on the profile of the user you can read when they last posted, so if the question remains to remove or not the Icon, I say get rid of it! or put the last user avatar in there ..oops! where the new post icon is now on the board index template! , just thinking aloud so, excuse me plz >!

Rest maybe over my head!

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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #37, on April 1st, 2014, 08:07 PM »
First option implemented. Fixed, then, I guess..?

Still open to implementing alternatives, but... It's a bit late :P

Johnny54

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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #38, on April 1st, 2014, 11:01 PM »
This is no attack, nor a plea  to change your mind.
Just want to tell how I feel about it now.

Without the icons I felt lost.
Now it looks more familiar but I get really confused.
I am a member on several forums. All different software, but with all I am used that the icons indicate unread messages inside.
Two of the most visited sites use SMF and because Wedge resembles the looks of SMF I get confused by the icons.
I can't imaging I am the only one who experience this.
Maybe It would be easier if Wedge looked different. At least very different icons.

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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #39, on April 2nd, 2014, 01:37 PM »
Hmm.. is it only me?
Got the "New" icon in two boards (Features & Plugins) on index. By clicking on the "New" icon, there are no unread messages.
Back to index it shows as "New" again.
OK, just get into that board and click "mark all as read". But it's still the same :)
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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #41, on April 2nd, 2014, 11:19 PM »
The 'New' icon next to sub-boards was just the same as board status icons: an indicator that a message was posted today in that board. I didn't intend for it to be confusing, I only forgot to change the way it's shown.
I tried doing it differently (adding a custom icon instead of the 'New' text), but it didn't work, so...

Went for a different solution.

A bit crazy but...

1- Board icon opacity still represents the board's activity, i.e. date of the most recent post.
2- Redirect board icon now has a glyph to indicate it's a redirect board. (Can't be seen here, but..)
3- Sub-boards NO LONGER show an activity indicator, and instead they show you the exact number of unread posts in that board. (Main boards also do that, next to the board name.)

Yes, you read it right... The very thing I removed from Wedge this week because it was buggy. I somehow "fixed" it, and made it more interesting, by actually giving you the number of unread posts for a board.

The only problem is that it tends to give too much information now. Ah ah. The problem is not EVEN the performance of that query. It just is satisfying to me. It takes something like a millisecond to run -- faster than most other queries used to get the board list!

What do you think..? Feel free to comment on points 1 and 3 (given that 2 isn't visible for now.)
Posted: April 2nd, 2014, 11:06 PM
Quote from Nao on April 2nd, 2014, 11:06 PM
It takes something like a millisecond to run -- faster than most other queries used to get the board list!
Correction-- the unread topic query takes a millisecond to run, while the unread boards query takes a tenth of a second to run. That's much higher. Maybe the query can be optimized (it's currently using a filesort, and I'm afraid I'm still not comfortable enough with finding ways to improve on that), possibly by adding some safeguards or maybe new columns.

Still, it's a cool addition, and even if it doesn't make it to Wedge, it might make it to a user setting of sorts, something that could be disabled by default, so that only those who WANT it can view the number of unread board posts.

Johnny54

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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #42, on April 3rd, 2014, 01:11 AM »
At first glance it looks good.
I will hold back my definite answer till after seeing it work with more unread post.
That will probably be tomorrow evening.

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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #43, on April 3rd, 2014, 09:38 AM »
Quote from Johnny54 on April 3rd, 2014, 01:11 AM
At first glance it looks good.
Well I personally have tons of unread posts in every single board (some boards with 600+ unread posts), and I can tell you it doesn't look great. I even had to go for the 'void' version of the notice (gray color), because it was so plain in my face otherwise. It still looks bad. I should probably rewrite this to use a regular font to show the number of unread posts. But it will then definitely be out of touch with the rest of the website.
Quote from Johnny54 on April 3rd, 2014, 01:11 AM
I will hold back my definite answer till after seeing it work with more unread post.
New users, too, will probably have tons of unread posts...
Unless I do something to mark all posts before their registration as read... Hmm. I have the registration date in the members table, so I guess I could even add a test for that without having to modify the log_topics/log_mark_read tables or anything.

Okay, so... Anyone else..?

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[Poll] Re: Board status icons: what's the point?
« Reply #44, on April 3rd, 2014, 12:44 PM »
That's excellent. Personally I'd like it in the orange so it sticks out more but like Johnny I need to wait until there are more unread posts.

Good thinking about the new members.