Wanchope

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Wedge Link Structure
« on June 10th, 2013, 05:45 PM »
I don't know if this is the best board for this post, mod please move to a suitable category if it is in a wrong place.
I have been testing wedge via user interface, I have many requests/suggestions. I will like to start with the link structure.
I commend the dynamic link, it is great but I will like the link to be like this

User Profile Link  - wedge.org/wanchope 
Board Link - wedger.org/features not wedge.org/category/board/childboard etc
Topic Link - wedger.org/27183(topic number)/topic title.
There is also available feature in MYBB SEO mode which gives the admin ability to set the maximum amount of words in the link
eg, a long topic like smf and wedge is not different, just smf with different name and fewer functions removed, said by a clown will be reduce to wedge.org/17264/smf-and-wedge-is-not ( I was let to know that long topic link is not good for seo as well) besides something like this wedge.org/2783/smf-and-wedge-is-not-different-just-smf-with-different-name-and-fewer-functions-removed-said- by-a-clown looks ugly.
Thanks.

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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #1, on June 10th, 2013, 05:54 PM »
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I commend the dynamic link, it is great but I will like the link to be like this
Please do not make assumptions about how you think it works. If in doubt, ask.


The board structure is configured in the admin panel. If you really want category/board/childboard, you can do this. Or you can do what we have and set up /pub/feats/ or whatever. It is not dynamic but configured by the admin. Please see attached. In theory it could even handle subdomains like Noisen does but that needs some work to make it happen.
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There is also available feature in MYBB SEO mode which gives the admin ability to set the maximum amount of words in the link
That seems like a bad idea to me, from both a pretty point of view and an SEO point of view. The odds are such that good keywords are likely to be removed by that.

There is this fantastic assumption that pretty URLs has an SEO benefit - it has a marginal AT BEST benefit, at worst makes life worse for you. It is also, thankfully, disabled by default.

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Wanchope

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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #2, on June 10th, 2013, 07:07 PM »
Looks like you misunderstood me.
* In saying dynamic URL, I mean url that is not static
Static URL = wedge.org/index.php?topic=20
Dynamic URL - wedge.org/topic-name

* On the board URL, I don't know it can be configured in the admin panel
I mean it should be like this
The Pub ( Which is a Board) should have something like this - wedge.org/the-pub and not wedge.org/pub
Features (Which is Child board) should have a link like this - wedge.org/pub not wedge.org/pub/features
* On the shorten link issue
True, there is no SEO  benefit in link with topic name but there is benefit of more clickthrough because of the keyword included in the topic link. I also read online that long keyword in the link may hurt the seo. And long topic link looks ugly and 'spammy@'.

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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #3, on June 10th, 2013, 07:38 PM »
Quote from Wanchope on June 10th, 2013, 07:07 PM
Looks like you misunderstood me.
* In saying dynamic URL, I mean url that is not static
Static URL = wedge.org/index.php?topic=20
Dynamic URL - wedge.org/topic-name
Well done for inverting the meaning of two well defined terms.
Quote from Wanchope on June 10th, 2013, 07:07 PM
* On the board URL, I don't know it can be configured in the admin panel
I mean it should be like this
The Pub ( Which is a Board) should have something like this - wedge.org/the-pub and not wedge.org/pub
Features (Which is Child board) should have a link like this - wedge.org/pub not wedge.org/pub/features
Why? Because you say it should? The admin configures what it has, as I showed you. The admin can set it either way to their preference. In any case, this is not and has NEVER been an SEO feature. It is for making links nicer.

I really wish you'd read what I'm saying and not projecting your own meaning on it.
Quote from Wanchope on June 10th, 2013, 07:07 PM
* On the shorten link issue
True, there is no SEO  benefit in link with topic name but there is benefit of more clickthrough because of the keyword included in the topic link. I also read online that long keyword in the link may hurt the seo. And long topic link looks ugly and 'spammy@'.
That's the marginal benefit I mentioned: the link can include keywords in auto linked text. Long topic links may or may not hurt SEO. But I'd rather make something for USERS not search engines.

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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #5, on June 10th, 2013, 07:46 PM »
Topic link is board-link/topic-id/topic-name. Topic name is not configurable for one perfectly good reason: USERS DON'T CARE.

Users aren't going to care about making keyword laden titles, nor are they going to care about it being a meaningful one. Most users, therefore, don't want to have to configure it and asking them to do so is pointless.

When you have a setup that is predominantly user generated content, you simply cannot optimise it for search engines unless you're going to sit and rewrite every topic users make.

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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #6, on June 10th, 2013, 08:23 PM »
Once again, I am misunderstood.
The link is not totally user generated, of course user are not interested imputing the link url, it is going to e generated just like wedge is doing but
Admin will configure it to automatically  -
website.com/topicnumber/topic-title
not
website.com/boardname/childboarname/topic-title
Wordpress have something like this which gives the admin to chose the predefined permanent link like
website.com/category/post-name
website.com/date/post-name
website.com/post-name
* Users care if
The profile links direct to the username like
wedge.com/Arantor -  with this, I will visit Arantor's profile direct without visiting the forum, searching for Arantor so as to visit his profile.
The Child Boards links direct to the website  -  website.com/childboard
So they can visit their favorite board without visiting the forum, click category  eg Technology, Click childboard 1 eg Phones, Click childboard 2 eg android etc.
You may talk of bookmarks but it should interest you to know many people over here don't still reorganize bookmark functionality and how to use it.
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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #7, on June 10th, 2013, 08:44 PM »
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Once again, I am misunderstood.
No, once again you're not reading what I'm writing.

I do not have time to waste explaining this over and over. I will give it one more shot.
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Admin will configure it to automatically  -
website.com/topicnumber/topic-title
not
website.com/boardname/childboarname/topic-title
No. I even gave you a screenshot for this. It is website.com/boardname/topicnumber/topic-title where the boardname can have multiple / in it (e.g. /pub/feats like this board does) and can include something for the category if so desired. /pub/ is one board, /pub/feats/ is another board. As it happens it is a child board of /pub/ but it doesn't actually have to be.
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Wordpress have something like this which gives the admin to chose the predefined permanent link like
Yes, it does. It's also not relevant that it does. You're missing the entire point of the difference between forums and blogs.

Blogs = few authors creating topics. Each topic is more important in itself and needs more things like meta data.

Forums = everyone's an author. Each topic is no more important in itself than any other, and as such meta data is not going to be entered by most users.
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You may talk of bookmarks but it should interest you to know many people over here don't still reorganize bookmark functionality and how to use it.
I didn't talk about bookmarks. I'm talking about people sharing content via social media etc.

What you're arguing for isn't how people use sites and sharing information.

The only thing I have to thank you for is wasting my time arguing about something you clearly don't understand. (It is crap like this that makes me look forward to TWO MONTHS not touching Wedge at all. I can't wait, because dealing with people who think they know what they're talking about, when they don't, is very frustrating.)

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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #8, on June 11th, 2013, 07:04 PM »
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No, once again you're not reading what I'm writing.
I don't think so, mate
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No. I even gave you a screenshot for this. It is website.com/boardname/topicnumber/topic-title where the boardname can have multiple / in it (e.g. /pub/feats like this board does) and can include something for the category if so desired. /pub/ is one board, /pub/feats/ is another board. As it happens it is a child board of /pub/ but it doesn't actually have to be.
I wasn't looking for explanation, I wasn't arguing, I knew the link is structured like that, I am suggesting possibility of removing boardname in the topic link -  website.com/boardname/topicnumber/topic-title so it can finally look like - website.com/topicnumber/topic-title. Meanwhile, I don't know the board link can be configured in the admin panel ( as you showed in the screenshot), a big PLUs!
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Wordpress have something like this which gives the admin to chose the predefined permanent link like
Never said it should be like wordpress, just giving example.Ok you can see example on the this smf portal -  http://portamx.com/3351/portamx-2-1-virgo-for-smf-2-1-alpha/
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I didn't talk about bookmarks. I'm talking about people sharing content via social media etc. What you're arguing for isn't how people use sites and sharing information.
Never said you talk about bookmarks, you may say members have to bookmark the favorite link in this forum...
This concerns usability, let me give example.
Some members are influential in the community that others will always like to visit their profiles,checkout their latest posts etc, they will be happy if they can simply type their links direct in browser wedge.com/arantor (like twitter.com/user) viola! - This will also improve usability.
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The only thing I have to thank you for is wasting my time arguing about something you clearly don't understand. (It is crap like this that makes me look forward to TWO MONTHS not touching Wedge at all. I can't wait, because dealing with people who think they know what they're talking about, when they don't, is very frustrating.)
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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #9, on June 11th, 2013, 07:14 PM »
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I wasn't arguing
Please look that word up.
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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #11, on June 11th, 2013, 07:32 PM »
lol. Yeah. Suggesting an argumenta discussion. :D

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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #12, on June 11th, 2013, 07:33 PM »
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I am suggesting possibility of removing boardname in the topic link
Isn't going to happen. There is value to having it the way it is. Both semantically and technically, in fact.
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Meanwhile, I don't know the board link can be configured in the admin panel ( as you showed in the screenshot), a big PLUs!
Which is why I deliberately made a screenshot in my first reply. The fact I have to repeat myself is disheartening.
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Never said it should be like wordpress, just giving example.
Except that by pointing it out, and then reiterating your point, you actually are asking for it to be like that.
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Never said you talk about bookmarks, you may say members have to bookmark the favorite link in this forum...
So, you bring up a point then tell me that I *may* mention it (even though I didn't, and have no real reason to do so)? Nice to know what I'm entitled to talk about.

So let's nail this once and for all. Bookmarks are unchanged, if a user wants to bookmark a thread, they really don't care what URL it is provided the bookmark takes them to roughly the right place (cf infinite scroll and the like). In this scenario SEO URLs are irrelevant. Why you brought bookmarks up, I have no idea.

SEO URLs are relevant when people are sharing a link to your forum on other sites, especially on the likes of Facebook, Twitter, etc because it is there where the SEO benefit will be realised, as marginal as it is. And it is there where the URL becomes important to have keywords and be nicer looking - because that's where people are going to see it.
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Some members are influential in the community that others will always like to visit their profiles,checkout their latest posts etc, they will be happy if they can simply type their links direct in browser
Oh, you really don't understand SEO or actual usability, do you?

That just isn't how the majority of users actually do this. I don't type in URLs to posts. I don't even type in URLs to peoples' profiles (except locally in testing)... I click on their name by their post. If they're influential, they'll have a meaningful name to click on.

And before you start down the argument of this, note Facebook. Study it carefully. People on Facebook who care about their vanity name (for that's what they call it), i.e. facebook.com/arantor or similar are usually doing it to assert their identity and/or branding. Most people just don't type it in, though, they find it, or click on a link to it. They don't type it in. Even if they know it, they still probably won't type it in. Copy/paste is so much quicker. Or, from a usability standpoint, browse then search. Browser searching is also so much more efficient than it used to be, too.
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This will also improve usability.
Except that it doesn't.
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Yes, I'm going on holiday for two months whereupon I will have little time to visit or work on Wedge, and I won't have to talk to people who clearly don't understand the points they're actually trying to argue (not suggest), because how they do it is different to how 99.8% of the rest of the internet population does it.

There was NOTHING in this thread that was a suggestion. It was all 'this is how you should do it and here's why I think you should do it even though I don't want to listen to any opinions from anyone but myself'. At least, that's how I saw it. I realise English isn't your first language, and that what seems to be a suggestion comes across differently but that's why I gave it the benefit of the doubt the first couple of posts - by the last post or so, it was clear to me that you weren't interested in what we have to offer unless it suited what you want to see.

Give me a REASON why these things are so, one that actually fits with the evidence and I'll take you seriously. People don't type in topic URLs, doubly so with the topic id in it for the obvious reason that they're not memorable (which is the principle criteria for typing a URL in rather than discovery/copy-paste/search). Names are also tricky for several reasons as recently discussed about when users change their name[1]. Why is 'not having the board in the URL' better usability?
 1. Something Facebook and Twitter don't like you doing...

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Re: Wedge Link Structure
« Reply #13, on June 11th, 2013, 08:01 PM »
I never said the topic url will improve usability, I only wanted it to be short and neat but yes as you explained, it shouldn't be touched.
The board link improves usability alot as users will find it friendly to just type website.com/board, thank fully, wedge have this!
From some websites I have used, simple use link improves users experience. If I am to give example, I will use twitter instead of Facebook. See also this userlink as example nairaland.com/seun. As Arantor said, I am not best in English and a lot of guys are down rating me because of it. Never liked English.