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Arantor

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #15, on March 29th, 2012, 02:28 AM »
0x, it wouldn't matter. People STILL wouldn't read it. I could put it in place of all other content and people still wouldn't read it.

The interesting thing is that there is a correlation between:
 * people that can't read what's in front of them
 * people who will need support help
 * people who don't give a fuck about anyone or anything except what they want

It is because of these people that we considered long and hard about making Wedge paid, if only to filter out the worst of the idiots.
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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #16, on March 29th, 2012, 08:07 AM »
Yes but right now I'm not in the mood to ask for money... ;)
Even donations.

Pete, if by preparse you mostly mean the URL tag bug, I just want to say that I'll be working on it today...
Well, try to at least.

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #17, on March 29th, 2012, 10:20 AM »
Quote from Arantor on March 29th, 2012, 12:58 AM
I know it's been suggested lately that we throw up a download link somewhere prominent and explain all that, might stop the flow of threads asking (since now we have multiple of them >_<)
The whole SMF "DON'T USE IT LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!1111eleven"... ;-)

I'd love to have a play, but I don't have anywhere I'd be prepared to install it to play, so the longer to a beta/gold, the better for me :lol:
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live627

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #18, on March 29th, 2012, 10:31 AM »
But people just ignore the warning in big, bold letters and use it live anyway.
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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #19, on March 29th, 2012, 11:18 AM »
Quote from Nao on March 27th, 2012, 10:57 AM
Also, but for moderators only, that 'Issue warning' icon's position is annoying the hell out of me. I think I'll just move it to the Action menu... I'll have to find an alternative icon for it because Report to moderator/Issue warning share the same icon really. (Perhaps I could simply show 'Report to moderator' only if 'Issue warning' isn't available... That would make a LOT of sense actually.)
Oh, and the Likes list, too. That styling needs some love.
Have you thought about just having a "discipline menu" in the user's profile section that is only viewable by moderators and admins alike? That way you could simply tuck the "issue warning" that could be displaying all warning levels (such as Issue first warning, issue second warning, issue final warning type of thing) or even possibly an auto-updating one via a SQL request (would automatically update to show next warning level upon actual issuance of warning). That way you can neatly tuck the issue warning out of the way and have a complete disciplinary actions section all at the same time.

Thus, both making the lives of your moderators and admins a lot easier regarding issuing warnings but also cleaning up the interface while still allowing board users to report offending posts which in turn, makes the lives of your moderators and admins even more easy :D.

Arantor

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #20, on March 29th, 2012, 12:06 PM »
To do as you suggest would require rethinking the entire warning system from scratch. It's not like vB where you have yellow and red cards (or first/second warnings), issuing a warning in SMF and currently Wedge means to adjust a 0-100% bar against each user.

So, such a menu would have just one item: issue warning, which sort of defeats the point of having the menu, really.

Nao

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #21, on March 29th, 2012, 12:50 PM »
Technically, though, user menus and action menus could benefit from getting a bit more padding and some separators, like in the main menu.

Cryotech

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #22, on March 30th, 2012, 12:34 AM »
@ Arantor - Ah, I see, and you're right. I was under the impression it was an actual warning system as you described. My bad.

@ Nao - The right-hand menu (not sure if you're labeling that as the action or main menu. The one with the quick access drop-down menu.) definitely could use some separators because it's kind of confusing at first glance to determine what child group belongs with which parent as it currently stands.

Arantor

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #23, on March 30th, 2012, 12:39 AM »
Well, it IS an actual warning system. It allows you to issue variable-strength warnings (or revoke previously issued warnings) with a single interface, and you can indeed issue warning messages to users from it. It's just not what you're expecting, doesn't mean it isn't capable.


The user menu is the one attached to the user name in posts, while the action menu is the More... menu in posts.

What you're referring to is the Quick Access menu which is something entirely separate, but I think you're right about it needing separators, and you're indeed agreeing with Nao, as it happens. (The main menu is the main menu at the top of the page, which has separators between items as appropriate)

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #24, on March 30th, 2012, 06:03 AM »
Quote from Arantor on March 29th, 2012, 02:02 AM
It's almost like people don't frickin' read what's in front of them, you know? That I actually went to the trouble of making a big sticky thread that actually answered the very question in this thread and still this thread appears. It's not even like it's in a different board or anything.

There is a part of me that wants to add a reading comprehension test into either the registration process here, or better, into the download page and those who can't follow simple instructions just should be prevented from ever running Wedge, because it'll be better for everyone in the long run. If you're too fucking lazy to read what's directly in front of you, I don't really want to support you.
Just so we don't have a misunderstanding here, I opened this thread because I was genuinely impressed with what I saw (from a user perspective) after poking around on this site.  Thirty years ago I started programming and have of late switched to system administration work.  I have a good feel of what may be under the covers buried in the source code.  If you say it isn't ready, then it isn't ready.  Period.  I'm good with that.  Just don't sell yourself short.  Looking at wedge.org strictly from the outside, it kicks butt when compared to many other forum offerings currently available.  That is my only point.  The code and configurations that make it all work is all yours to do with as you please.  If it was my code, I'd personally have a hard time letting anyone see or play with it.  It's that good right now, that if kept under wraps and later released under a commercial license, could keep you all employed and doing what it is you do so well.  If you choose to release the code and I strongly caution you all against it, you will cross a line in the sand that will be very difficult to ever take back.  So to me, it is smart to proceed thoughtfully as you have so far.  I will say this, if you were to offer me a non-disclosure agreement to sign, stating that I can download your code and use it only on a non-Internet connected site for test and evaluation purposes, with no distribution rights, I would sign in a heartbeat.  I also, wouldn't pester you with problems and frantic noise that I would expect from a lot of other folks.  I've been there, done that and I truly understand where you're coming from.  Just hear this--I'm not that average dog.

So that said, if I'm not welcome here.  Say so.  Don't piss around and get all flamed up.  I offered you a compliment and got smacked for it.  My bad.  Won't happen again.

live627

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #25, on March 30th, 2012, 08:46 AM »
First of all, nobody here is going to release the hounds and make you run away. No.

What grinds Arantor's gears is people wanting it now for free, right now, and complain when their wishes are not granted. To tell you the truth, your OP kinda implied that. Somewhat similar to a wolf in a sheep's clothing.

Nao

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #26, on March 30th, 2012, 09:10 AM »
Dog, Pete was talking generally, not to you. Your posts have nothing wrong Eheh. We tend to shoot first and ask questions later, but pete's comment was just a thought on the number of people who asked for a downloadable version.

I think the alpha/beta will be free to use either way. We may post a poll regarding whether we should make it paid when we go gold. Not that we particularly want to make money off it. It's mainly a way to determine what we'll do after the software is out. Plus, we think we have a winner here compared to some other commercial packages and they're all so offensively expensive. We don't believe it's justified.

Basically, if it's free, we may still be around working on it in a few years. Then again, maybe not. It's a tough choice to make. But by default, our choice is to go free. And we think that it's still a bit early to discuss this. We dont have enough feedback on this matter.
Maybe a poll at some point..?

Arantor

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #27, on March 30th, 2012, 11:26 AM »
Yup, I was speaking pretty generically, though I would also note that there was something pretty specific that set me off on this one.

For what we're doing, 'is it ready for prime time' is pretty much 'is it ready for download' when you think about it. If it's ready for prime time, it's ready for download. So to my mind, it came across as a compliment wrapped in a 'when can we download it' question, which sets me off.

I'm sorry that I overreacted, as may be evident elsewhere, life for me is interesting right now, seeing how I split up from my long-term girlfriend and moved house last week, and I'm still unpacking. Consequently, I tend to see things even more cynically than normal, and I'm sorry I snapped - but hopefully you can understand where I'm coming from and why it pushes my buttons, especially since the very first thread in this board does essentially answer the more direct version of what you were asking.

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Re: Ready for prime time...?
« Reply #29, on March 31st, 2012, 05:07 AM »Last edited on March 31st, 2012, 05:15 AM
Quote from Arantor on March 30th, 2012, 11:26 AM
For what we're doing, 'is it ready for prime time' is pretty much 'is it ready for download' when you think about it. If it's ready for prime time, it's ready for download. So to my mind, it came across as a compliment wrapped in a 'when can we download it' question, which sets me off.

I'm sorry that I overreacted, as may be evident elsewhere, life for me is interesting right now, seeing how I split up from my long-term girlfriend and moved house last week, and I'm still unpacking. Consequently, I tend to see things even more cynically than normal, and I'm sorry I snapped - but hopefully you can understand where I'm coming from and why it pushes my buttons, especially since the very first thread in this board does essentially answer the more direct version of what you were asking.
Therein lies the misunderstanding I think.  My topic wasn't about getting my hands on it.  When I pointed IE9 to wedge.com and discovered the site is actually running Wedge, well...   The gears started turning.  Wedge has gone live.  It's actually solid/stable enough to run on the public hacker's nest.  The more I poked around, the more I discovered Wedge works/looks as good or better than my SMF 2.0.2 site with Aeva Media 2.10 (Commercial version).  To me it was a bit of a rhetorical question.  Of course it's ready for prime time.  Hell it's running on the Internet now.  I posed the thread as a question to get other folks' feedback.  "Am I the only one that notices this", type of question.  Anyway, enough said.  We have an understanding now.

Arantor, I got your back.  I went through a divorce back in 1994.  Lost my wife, my four year old son, my home, my stuff--pretty much everything except a junker car (which I slept in for over a year) and a few clothes.  It's absolute hell.  I can't count how many nights I thought about eating a bullet, but I didn't even have a pot to piss in let alone a firearm and the ammo to go with it.  There's a quote from General George S. Patton Jr. that I want you to remember.
Quote from General George S. Patton Jr.
Success is how high you bounce when you hit bottom.
You probably haven't hit bottom yet, but when you do, you'll know it.  The old General has lots of other good quotes that will change your life if you care to not only read them, but live them.  And if that doesn't work, well...   You can also try MGTOW.

Seriously guys, if you need or would like any help, just holler.  I can test, turn a few lines of code, package, script, even do some simple image generation.  Just name it and I'll work it.

Oh, one other thing.  Could you post a PayPal pre-order link when you cross into Beta territory.  :P
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