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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #750, on November 9th, 2011, 11:37 PM »
Quote from Arantor on November 9th, 2011, 10:42 PM
OK, open time. Each year we watch The Snowman. Each year, I feel myself shedding a tear.
Hard not to shed a tear for this one. Especially after THAT song :P
(And yes it's a typical British tradition to watch The Snowman. It's totally unknown in France. Thankfully I've got one part British blood in my family-in-law ;))
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Oh, and one almost got shed when Tennant regenerated. ALMOST.
I wouldn't know where to start when it comes to making me cry systematically... The ending of Batman The Animated Series' Babydoll episode. The Quantum Leap scene with Georgia on my Mind. The last few minutes of The Killer (well, at the time at least.) And every other Saint Seiya episode. (You wouldn't understand. My entire youth is in Saint Seiya... I wouldn't be where I am without it.)
Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #751, on November 9th, 2011, 11:42 PM »
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Any opinions? (The last two are what you see in the sidebar.)

First one has these differences: it uses the 'square logo' color set for the logo (I had some trouble getting it correct. It's still a bit too bright.) The logo is slightly skewed (now it'll either look more like a petal than ever... Or more like water splashing :P), and the font I used is Calibri Bold (as a test).

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #752, on November 9th, 2011, 11:55 PM »
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Hard not to shed a tear for this one. Especially after THAT song
If you're paying attention, they fly from somewhere just north of Brighton (and fly directly over Brighton)... which is virtually where I live...
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And yes it's a typical British tradition to watch The Snowman. It's totally unknown in France.
The British do strange things, but awesome ones :)
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I wouldn't know where to start when it comes to making me cry systematically...
Other than that episode of DW, I don't tend to cry much at TV.
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Any opinions? (The last two are what you see in the sidebar.)
I like the font on the 'petal' logo most, while I like the square logo most. The petal part itself makes me think as though the lower part seems more floppy and unable to support the upper part, while the middle logo looks like the pieces have fallen off the wall, as it were.
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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #753, on November 10th, 2011, 11:11 AM »Last edited on November 13th, 2011, 09:36 PM by Nao
Quote from Arantor on November 9th, 2011, 11:55 PM
If you're paying attention, they fly from somewhere just north of Brighton (and fly directly over Brighton)... which is virtually where I live...
Okay, the only landmark I know of in Brighton, if I'm not mistaken, is that casino in the sea (?), or building anyway, connected to the land by a bridge... And I don't remember seeing that in HP. Was that in the bank escape scene? I thought they were dropped in Scotland or something... It always feels like Hogwarts is in the Highlands, especially given that in episode 3 they actually shot many scenes in the valley where Rob Roy fought battles or something, IIRC.
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The British do strange things, but awesome ones :)
Starting with great children's cartoons! I also loved The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe... That cheap BBC film from the late 70's. It had a really great soundtrack (and it was recently released on CD :)).
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I wouldn't know where to start when it comes to making me cry systematically...
Other than that episode of DW, I don't tend to cry much at TV.
That's what I'm saying... I'm the girlish one here :P
I didn't cry much during movies when I was a kid but they tended to stick into my mind (e.g. the final scenes in The Black Cauldron at the movies), but then when I turned 13 I started rooting for anime shows with a tendency for emotional scenes... For those who ever watched Captain Tsubasa/Olive & Tom, a silly football anime, there was this guy who actually had an heart attack during a match, the picture turned black & white, it was a very emotional couple of minutes. The guy recovered after that, but the show never did, it just turned into mindless matches. Then I had this show, Creamy Mami, about a girl who can magically turn into an adult singer singing cheesy songs (yeah................. even at 13 it felt a bit childish), it just had nice characters and halfway into the show, they had a few episodes where the girl lost her power while stuck in her adult form, it was a heart-breaking episode. Well, to me anyway. Then I discovered Saint Seiya... Well, I gave up on trying to interest you into anime (you never followed up on Paranoia Agent etc), but when it comes to anime soundtracks, you can't do better than StS. Just look at the 16:10 mark in episode 57. You probably won't get what's happening because there's no English dub or sub available on YouTube (the blond guy is fighting the blue-haired guy and progressively removing his five senses, while the blue-haired guy tries to get him to understand he's fighting for justice blahblahblah), but the music...! My oh my. It still turns me into a wimp, even now. This particular episode, directed by Shigeyasu Yamauchi, turned me into the #1 French fan of him. He's greatly revered in the director community because he's as close to an 'innovator' as you could describe him, but sadly he's overseen by everyone else. Nowadays, he has to rely on his ex-assistants turned stars (thanks to his teachings), to give him a job. Sigh.

Anyway... End of my rant.
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Any opinions? (The last two are what you see in the sidebar.)
I like the font on the 'petal' logo most, while I like the square logo most. The petal part itself makes me think as though the lower part seems more floppy and unable to support the upper part, while the middle logo looks like the pieces have fallen off the wall, as it were.
Lol... I guess everyone here will have their own interpretation of the logo ;)
Okay, I tried for a monochrome version with a slight modification of the upper 'petal', and a different font (not that it matters much but I like this one, too)... How about that?

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #754, on November 10th, 2011, 11:26 AM »
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Okay, the only landmark I know of in Brighton, if I'm not mistaken, is that casino in the sea (?), or building anyway, connected to the land by a bridge...
That's Brighton Pier. (It's in The Snowman, as is the Taj Mahal-styled 'Brighton Pavilion')
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Starting with great children's cartoons! I also loved The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe... That cheap BBC film from the late 70's
I must have missed that somewhere.
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And I don't remember seeing that in HP. Was that in the bank escape scene? I thought they were dropped in Scotland or something...
Hogwarts is implied in the books to be in Scotland, and principle filming of the castle in the films is at Alnwick Castle which is not far from the Scottish border.
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Okay, I tried for a monochrome version with a slight modification of the upper 'petal'... How about that?
It doesn't have the 'weak' feeling I was getting at before, nor the 'falling off the wall' feeling... I don't particularly like it but I can't tell you why :/

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #755, on November 10th, 2011, 11:43 AM »
Quote from Arantor on November 10th, 2011, 11:26 AM
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Okay, the only landmark I know of in Brighton, if I'm not mistaken, is that casino in the sea (?), or building anyway, connected to the land by a bridge...
That's Brighton Pier. (It's in The Snowman, as is the Taj Mahal-styled 'Brighton Pavilion')
Oh... Sorry, we were just talking about HP, I mixed it up.
Now I seem to remember that they fly by it in TS, indeed. It totally slipped my mind...
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Starting with great children's cartoons! I also loved The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe... That cheap BBC film from the late 70's
I must have missed that somewhere.
I'm not sure it'd have the same effect on you today as it had on me at the time... :P
It's that film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079474/
Although it doesn't seem to be from the Beebs in the end...
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Hogwarts is implied in the books to be in Scotland, and principle filming of the castle in the films is at Alnwick Castle which is not far from the Scottish border.
Couldn't have told it was the same castle as in Black Adder! :lol:
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It doesn't have the 'weak' feeling I was getting at before, nor the 'falling off the wall' feeling... I don't particularly like it but I can't tell you why :/
Because it's black? :P
I went for something drastically different, obviously...
And I kinda like it, BTW.

Not that it matters much. We have all the time in the world to find a logo. Holy cow, it's one of the few cases where, even though it could be annoying that it'll be finished either tomorrow or in 6 months, I don't mind at all and I really enjoy working on this. Plus I really appreciate being able to learn how to manipulate vector graphics. I read a lot of tutorials and I like that. I think that's the high point of my logo/typography training.
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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #756, on November 10th, 2011, 11:53 AM »
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Oh... Sorry, we were just talking about HP, I mixed it up.
Now I seem to remember that they fly by it in TS, indeed. It totally slipped my mind...
Interestingly, if you look at the presents, one of the tags says Brighton on it :)
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I'm not sure it'd have the same effect on you today as it had on me at the time...
Probably not. But then again I'm strange anyway. People still find it hard to believe that I laughed hard at the Exorcist because it was just so ridiculous.
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Although it doesn't seem to be from the Beebs in the end...
The Beeb[1] did do an adaptation of TLTWaTW at some point and that was my first exposure to Narnia. I have the books, I have the recent film adaptation of TLTWaTW but I never seem to find the time to actually experience them.

Hmm, maybe I should try audio books.
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Couldn't have told it was the same castle as in Black Adder!
I certainly didn't realise because the shots are vastly different, and there's extra towers and CGI going on in HP. That said, there aren't exactly many long shots of the castle in TBA[2].
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Because it's black?
Although black is an awesome colour, pure black has no contrast, no subtlety, no variation. These things are needed, IMO.
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Not that it matters much. We have all the time in the world to find a logo. Holy cow, it's one of the few cases where, even though it could be annoying that it'll be finished either tomorrow or in 6 months, I don't mind at all and I really enjoy working on this. Plus I really appreciate being able to learn how to manipulate vector graphics. I read a lot of tutorials and I like that. I think that's the high point of my logo/typography training.
It helps to have some sense of style and art about you when doing such things but it sounds like you're really enjoying what you're doing; I know full well that if I were to try such things, I'd only end up getting very frustrated. With me, I can visualise many things but I lack the tools and/or the skill to realise them, and I don't know how to go about getting that skill. I can craft almost anything out of code but to draw a picture? Out of my league.
 1. Or, Auntie, as she is often known for some reason.
 2. First season is actually The Black Adder, while later ones are Blackadder II, Blackadder The Third and Blackadder Goes Forth. I'm not entirely sure why the name was changed to remove the space but I wouldn't be surprised if the change of writer was involved. Atkinson wrote the first season but 2-4 were co-written with Richard Curtis. There was also a Christmas special, parodying A Christmas Carol. But there was only ONE Christmas special, you hear me? ONE!

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #757, on November 10th, 2011, 12:18 PM »
Quote from Arantor on November 10th, 2011, 11:53 AM
Interestingly, if you look at the presents, one of the tags says Brighton on it :)
I failed to watch TS last Christmas so I guess I only watched it once, at Christmas 2009... :^^;:
Will definitely re-watch it this year.
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Probably not. But then again I'm strange anyway. People still find it hard to believe that I laughed hard at the Exorcist because it was just so ridiculous.
I never watched the thing, so I wouldn't know. I never even bothered with the main tune. At the time. Heck, even today, I think it's by far the weakest part of The Tubular Bells... :^^;: (Probably the most interesting part of it, is the fact that it's loosely inspired by a rather interesting French composer who was recording at the Manor at the same time.)
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did do an adaptation of TLTWaTW at some point and that was my first exposure to Narnia.
Yeah, I think I have it somewhere but it has no subtitles or something, so I never watched it...
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I have the books, I have the recent film adaptation of TLTWaTW but I never seem to find the time to actually experience them.
Me neither. Anything that was made to offer counter-programming to Harry Potter doesn't strike me as made with love, unlike the animated movie I mentioned, which with its very tight budget managed to do something interesting.
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First season is actually The Black Adder, while later ones are Blackadder II, Blackadder The Third and Blackadder Goes Forth. I'm not entirely sure why the name was changed to remove the space but I wouldn't be surprised if the change of writer was involved. Atkinson wrote the first season but 2-4 were co-written with Richard Curtis. There was also a Christmas special, parodying A Christmas Carol. But there was only ONE Christmas special, you hear me? ONE!
I know about the names, hey I watched the show this year, I probably mentioned it :P
In France it's just called "Black Adder - La Vipère Noire" for the entire show, and most promotional material actually spells it Blackadder. They... Are just unsure :P
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Although black is an awesome colour, pure black has no contrast, no subtlety, no variation. These things are needed, IMO.
'Pure' colors are good for size reduction, and particularly good to establish a brand, I'd say (Nike and stuff.) I'm still not a specialist though... Is it better in color?
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I can visualise many things but I lack the tools and/or the skill to realise them,
Because you think I had the tools and skills to begin with...? A few months ago I had never even touched a vector graphics program... ;)
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and I don't know how to go about getting that skill. I can craft almost anything out of code but to draw a picture? Out of my league.
The main point with vectors, is that you can work in an iterative way like in code: you start doing a rough drawing, then you add elements, remove others, essentially you add 'steps' to the picture, it's like coding. "Okay, first you draw this line, then you distort it with that effect, then you color it that way, then you add a mask around here to hide that bit, then you add a drop shadow at 50%... Oh, it's too much, I'll edit that step... 25%, that's better. Hmmn but what if I did the drop shadow before I added the mask? I'll just move it one step earlier... Good... And what does it do if I move the line this way?"

It's basically trial and error. And you just put the finger on it (probably just a French expression), I like this because it's like coding!

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #758, on November 10th, 2011, 12:30 PM »
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I failed to watch TS last Christmas so I guess I only watched it once, at Christmas 2009...
It's about the most 'Christmassy' I get each year. I mean, while I have a 7ft tree in the house... it's BLACK. Not green, not sodding festive, it's black. It's imposing and awesome.
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I never watched the thing, so I wouldn't know. I never even bothered with the main tune. At the time. Heck, even today, I think it's by far the weakest part of The Tubular Bells...
*shrug* I prefer Tubular Bells II to the first album, III was fairly awful IMO, but the amusement factor for me wasn't the music at all, it's just the way the dialogue is written.
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Yeah, I think I have it somewhere but it has no subtitles or something, so I never watched it...
It's not bad, from what I remember of it.
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Me neither. Anything that was made to offer counter-programming to Harry Potter doesn't strike me as made with love, unlike the animated movie I mentioned, which with its very tight budget managed to do something interesting.
I don't think it was intentionally made as counter-programming to HP, but it was certainly up against it. Mind you, if you're going to play the vs-HP game, explain LoTR: FotR which came out in cinemas around the same time as HP1 did... :whistle:

That's the thing about the BBC, incidentally. Sure, yes, recent DW has relatively big budgets etc, but part of the appeal is that its budget isn't huge and the people involved do care about what they do, and the same is true of all the BBC drama productions, especially costume/period dramas (as opposed to contemporous dramas)
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and most promotional material actually spells it Blackadder. They... Are just unsure
All promotional material I can find after the second season debuted refers to it as Blackadder, it is only that first season.
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'Pure' colors are good for size reduction, and particularly good to establish a brand, I'd say (Nike and stuff.) I'm still not a specialist though... Is it better in color?
It's better in colour.
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Because you think I had the tools and skills to begin with...? A few months ago I had never even touched a vector graphics program...
No, but you get less frustrated than I do with trying new tools. No matter what toys I find to play with, I always end up coming back to my comfort zone.
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The main point with vectors, is that you can work in an iterative way like in code
You can do that in GIMP but my problem is precision. I don't like working particularly iteratively, as it were. I tend to think about the structure and overall parts first, then fill in the gaps, then iterate on what I had. The art equivalent is taking a landscape, dividing it up with composition, then painting small areas at a time rather than iteratively creating the whole thing.
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It's basically trial and error. And you just put the finger on it (probably just a French expression), I like this because it's like coding!
No, not just a French expression ;) Whereas I've tried working on vector images, and I find it easier to hack up SVG *by hand in code* than I do to manipulate it the same way in Inkscape. I tried.

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #759, on November 11th, 2011, 12:03 AM »
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Starting with great children's cartoons! I also loved The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe... That cheap BBC film from the late 70's
Disney made their own version in circa '05.
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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #760, on November 11th, 2011, 02:01 AM »Last edited on November 17th, 2011, 11:16 PM by Nao
Quote from Arantor on November 10th, 2011, 12:30 PM
*shrug* I prefer Tubular Bells II to the first album,
Who doesn't :P
Oh well, TB2 is 'easy listening' in comparison. But one thing that's worth listening to is TB2003, where Oldfield re-recorded the album with John Cleese as the instrument announcer. Works really well. But I'm a sucker for part 2 (side B) of TB1. I think it's more interesting, albeit less 'progressive'.
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explain LoTR: FotR which came out in cinemas around the same time as HP1 did... :whistle:
They shot all 3 movies before they released the first one... So HP1 wasn't first ;)
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That's the thing about the BBC, incidentally. Sure, yes, recent DW has relatively big budgets etc, but part of the appeal is that its budget isn't huge and the people involved do care about what they do, and the same is true of all the BBC drama productions, especially costume/period dramas (as opposed to contemporous dramas)
Of recent memory, I loved Jane Austen's 'Persuasion', the 2007 version. Probably mentioned it around here...
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'Pure' colors are good for size reduction, and particularly good to establish a brand, I'd say (Nike and stuff.) I'm still not a specialist though... Is it better in color?
It's better in colour.
Could you take a look at the black logo and try to color it the way you want...? Shouldn't be too hard...?
I'm still not convinced that the other attempt was any good. Too bright. Below is another attempt with darker colors and yet another font (the font was just for the fun of it.)
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No, but you get less frustrated than I do with trying new tools. No matter what toys I find to play with, I always end up coming back to my comfort zone.
And again... Me too ;)
Heck, haven't been to the doctor in 10 years, even though my health is at a low and has been for some time...
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The main point with vectors, is that you can work in an iterative way like in code
You can do that in GIMP
Really?

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #761, on November 11th, 2011, 02:06 AM »
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Oh well, TB2 is 'easy listening' in comparison. But one thing that's worth listening to is TB2003, where Oldfield re-recorded the album with John Cleese as the instrument announcer. Works really well. But I'm a sucker for part 2 (side B) of TB1. I think it's more interesting, albeit less 'progressive'.
Hmm, might have to go find that.
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They shot all 3 movies before they released the first one... So HP1 wasn't first
Didn't say it was, but it was certainly released at the time when Pottermania was pretty high generally and it did provide some stiff competition.
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Of recent memory, I loved Jane Austen's 'Persuasion', the 2007 version. Probably mentioned it around here...
Hmm, haven't seen that.
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Could you take a look at the black logo and try to color it the way you want...? Shouldn't be too hard...?
I'm still not convinced that the other attempt was any good. Too bright. Below is another attempt with darker colors and yet another font (the font was just for the fun of it.)
Am a bit tired right now, but will play with it.
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Heck, haven't been to the doctor in 10 years, even though my health is at a low and has been for some time...
I need to go see a physician at least, if not a regular doctor, I gotta see a chiropractor, my neck and shoulders are beyond a joke right now.

But that says to me you need to take a break.
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Really?
You can certainly work iteratively in GIMP with layers, and if you're really crazy you can script things with Script-Fu however learning Scheme is not in my to do list.

Heck, I'd rather work on SVG by hand or use PHP ahead of that...

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #762, on November 11th, 2011, 05:20 PM »
Please, you two, don't ruin your neck and shoulders by hunching over your keyboard all the time.
Wedge is great stuff, but not worth ruining your health!

Take care of yourself, both of you. Go outside and run around. Eat right. Sleep properly.
Now this is THOUROUGHLY off-topic. Sorry.

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #763, on November 11th, 2011, 05:42 PM »
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Please, you two, don't ruin your neck and shoulders by hunching over your keyboard all the time.
My neck and shoulders have been damaged for some time, due to an activity I carried out years ago that distinctly did not involve computers... I'm actually better sat at my desk than I am - say - on the sofa, because I have a well designed chair.

I don't think me running around is a particularly nice sight either... and proper sleep, sadly, has eluded me for a long time. 6 hours is a blessing these days.

(Off topic is absolutely fine. :))

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Re: Logo Madness
« Reply #764, on November 14th, 2011, 09:42 PM »
I apologize for assuming bad keyboard ergonomics were the cause of the problem. I was speaking out of ignorance.

The part about getting outdoors, tending to your health, eating properly, and making every effort to sleep properly -- that still applies, and is the same advice I give to my kids. Take care, both of you.
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