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Title: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 11th, 2010, 07:27 AM
(I'm wondering if Adonis or Bloc would be willing to give a shot at doing a Yanone Kaffe-based Wedge logo...)

:edit: This is an old topic from the private area that I'm moving to the public area to show off the various and interesting logos that were built over time. It might give you an idea of how we're all working together. (Basically: people do their best -- then I bitch and complain -- then I do it my own way and I take all the credit. 8-))
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 11th, 2010, 06:17 PM
A this? (http://praegnanz.de/essays/yanone-kaffeesatz)  :huh:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 11th, 2010, 06:21 PM
Yes... It's the font I used for the current logo.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 12th, 2010, 02:02 AM
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Errr. Well, not any more.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 12th, 2010, 02:10 AM
I like the "It slices, it dices" slogan but since when do we need slogan? :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 12th, 2010, 02:17 AM
Since he put one up under the current one?   :eheh:

In any case, it doesn't actually touch the main part of the logo - so it's easy enough to delete.  :angel:

EDIT: Simplified 'w' by itself, smaller.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: Lost, Now:Found)
Post by: Adonis on October 12th, 2010, 05:19 AM
 :ph34r: Ninja topic splitter! :ph34r:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 12th, 2010, 09:00 AM
Yeah, I split it off :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 12th, 2010, 10:38 AM
Re: slogans: the original slogan I'd put into the wedge logo was, "SMF for real people" (i.e. we want to change it to make it more logical to use... even if it's not true :P)... Then I thought it was boring, and replaced it with "SMF for real men. And women. And dogs, too." Funny that Adonis had the same inspiration :lol:
Although in the end I shortened it because it was too long for my taste.

Anyway -- when it comes to the logo, I thought you could have tried new colors, instead... And try staying with a solid color inside, because it's really easier to reduce afterwards, while maintaining readability. Also, the one thing my logo would need is a very, very thing white line around the logo, to allow showing in on dark backgrounds. Things like that...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on October 12th, 2010, 03:00 PM
Uhm.. I like red and blue ones! :)
What about a darker blue..?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 12th, 2010, 03:01 PM
Some nice ones there, Bloc!

Might be nice in green actually.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 12th, 2010, 03:45 PM
Yes!! Great stuff :)

Should be a good start. The wedge itself inside the W isn't perfect (its left side is too narrow), and it should stand out more (I think a brighter (and complementary) color than the rest would be important), but other than that it really looks great. My fave is the first one.

As always -- I'm not bad at having design ideas. I'm just really bad at implementing them.
Maybe one day I'll look into this software I've heard about called Photoshop! Seems like everyone's using it ::)

:edit: while the server was running wild, seems you posted new versions... They're good, too!

:edit: Also... Could you try adding the final "." in the slogan? Right-aligning it with the right side of the "d"... Yeah that was the idea. Ahah. I'm crazy.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 12th, 2010, 06:00 PM
I like the green and blue. :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 12th, 2010, 06:18 PM
While I'm at it -- I was wondering Bloc, did you make the Phoenix theme for Yourasoft? I always thought you did, but then again I was told yesterday that Eren made it. I Googled "pheonix" "smf" and found a link to your site, although it's currently down... I'm a bit lost!
Quote from Bloc on October 12th, 2010, 05:59 PM
lol :) yeah, I had to take a break since the server went down.
Dunno what happened... "Bad gateway" never happened to me before on this server.
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The wedge isn't symmetric, thats true, its the font actually thats different on both sides.
If you can find an even better font, feel free to share :)
As for symmetry, I didn't have that feeling myself...? Well, at least in my version of the logo, it seems to be symmetric.
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But let me get this straight. A wedge is something to push open things right?
Wedge is a pun on "Simple Machines", because that's what it is... A simple machine.
However, I myself think of Wedge as the mathematical sign, i.e. "^". Now you know ;)
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So the overlay in W is a kind "can-opener" lol, on the Wedge name? I might try some ideas if I know more about the meaning behind it.
That's really the concept. Want a smooth, beautiful and yet very sober logo that can easily be reused in assets (whatever we do in the future) and shrunk.
The best logo I ever made was the one for "cyna", you can see it at www.cynagames.com(http://www.cynagames.com) --> it's actually the picture of an *elephant* (an Asian elephant, of course), and it still clearly says "Cyna". I never found that kind of inspiration again...
Really, I'm not a designer. Well... I *am* a designer, but I'm not a good designer. I really define myself as a hobbyist, a hacker of sorts. I don't do magnificent stuff -- I just hack my ideas into stuff with a wedge, until I'm pleased.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 12th, 2010, 06:43 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 12th, 2010, 10:38 AM
"SMF for real men. And women. And dogs, too." Funny that Adonis had the same inspiration :lol:
I'm sure I read it somewhere.  :hmm:
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 12th, 2010, 10:38 AM
Anyway -- when it comes to the logo, I thought you could have tried new colors, instead... And try staying with a solid color inside, because it's really easier to reduce afterwards, while maintaining readability. Also, the one thing my logo would need is a very, very thing white line around the logo, to allow showing in on dark backgrounds. Things like that...
This is as plain as I go.  :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on October 12th, 2010, 07:34 PM
Quote from Bloc on October 12th, 2010, 03:11 PM
Let me try those green and darkblue.
Wow, darkblue is really nice! :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 12th, 2010, 08:17 PM
Adonis, I love your slogans :lol:
+1 for the white line, too. Bit too thick maybe?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on October 12th, 2010, 09:34 PM
Uhm... it reminds me:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_432wyHzMvQg/TB-_I1VA86I/AAAAAAAACzs/Ukvs0kTg7c4/s1600/720px-Logo_Nutella.svg.png)

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 12th, 2010, 09:37 PM
LOL, Guess we will need something else then...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 13th, 2010, 01:19 AM
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Ok, I think I don't want that separation on the W..it looks forced,
I'm sure it's been done before, but how about using the negative space for the 'wedge'?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 13th, 2010, 01:21 AM
Nicely done, ahahahah!
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Asgard on October 13th, 2010, 03:07 AM
The logos are all nice, but the phrase "SMF FOR REAL MEN." is a bit off putting. I don't mean to be politically correct, but that's not really a positive connotation, kind of makes it sound like it's going to be a pain in the ass to setup and use.

Just my $0.02
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 13th, 2010, 03:21 AM
It's meant more for comedy than anything else, though I'll note it is in SVN right now. Both of us are feeling pretty jaded from all the crap that's gone on (and on and on) so for us it's a little light relief. I don't seriously think we'll use it out in live installs.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 13th, 2010, 06:41 AM
Quote from Nao(?)
Welcome. This is the official website for the discussion of garlic sausage. If you like garlic sausage, you're welcome to do nothing. If you don't, please leave, now. You hurt me.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 13th, 2010, 06:59 AM
Quote from Adonis on October 13th, 2010, 06:41 AM
Quote from Nao(?)
Welcome. This is the official website for the discussion of garlic sausage. If you like garlic sausage, you're welcome to do nothing. If you don't, please leave, now. You hurt me.
Hahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Asgard on October 13th, 2010, 07:05 AM
Quote from Arantor on October 13th, 2010, 03:21 AM
It's meant more for comedy than anything else, though I'll note it is in SVN right now. Both of us are feeling pretty jaded from all the crap that's gone on (and on and on) so for us it's a little light relief. I don't seriously think we'll use it out in live installs.
Yeah, kinda figured as such, and, since yourself and Nao are the only ones working on Wedge (afaik), it fits just fine. Was really meant more as a note to keep in mind for down the road.
Quote from Adonis on October 13th, 2010, 06:41 AM
Quote from Nao(?)
Welcome. This is the official website for the discussion of garlic sausage. If you like garlic sausage, you're welcome to do nothing. If you don't, please leave, now. You hurt me.
Haha, Ad you goof.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 13th, 2010, 07:41 AM
To answer Pete, and just so we're clear: I'm not pushing for releasing anything with a "smf for real men." logo in it in the final version. Unless a terrorist attack threatens to destroy the entire reality plane within 24 hours if we don't keep it. But apart that, this is just for fun indeed. We're not releasing for another few weeks/months anyway. Plus, I'm sure we'll find plenty of cool slogans from Adonis, ah ah, he should be our resident show writer. I think he got the hang of my silliness, and I will probably end up adding some of his stuff to the rotating slogans in the top left corner ;)

The home of the garlic sausage is wedgeo, not wedge. :P And that's not garlic sausage on the picture! Heresy! At least, not French one!

Bloc, that's good stuff, but the more things go, the closer the logo seems to look like noisen.com's ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 13th, 2010, 10:56 AM
I'm putting your red logo in the header in the meantime. I think it's better than mine so why wait ;)

We still have weeks before a release, so take your time. If you think of a cool logo idea, give it a go!
Try doing something that's not among the lines of what I asked for. Reuse ideas you had for other logos but that you ended up dumping, etc. Maybe they'll work better on this new subject!
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 13th, 2010, 11:34 AM
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Try doing something that's not among the lines of what I asked for. Reuse ideas you had for other logos but that you ended up dumping, etc.
Innovate, not imitate? :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 13th, 2010, 06:18 PM
Quote from Arantor on October 13th, 2010, 11:34 AM
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Try doing something that's not among the lines of what I asked for. Reuse ideas you had for other logos but that you ended up dumping, etc.
Innovate, not imitate? :lol:
Where's the goddamn "Like" button?

Oh wait...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 13th, 2010, 06:57 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 13th, 2010, 07:41 AM
The home of the garlic sausage is wedgeo, not wedge. :P And that's not garlic sausage on the picture! Heresy! At least, not French one!
They say this is French(http://www.goodcooking.com/sausage/saussion.htm)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 13th, 2010, 08:30 PM
For Ar.

Kudos if *anyone else* gets it.  ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 13th, 2010, 09:51 PM
Quote from Bloc on October 13th, 2010, 09:00 PM
Dr.who..love the series lol :D
Good show!

Here's a tougher one (though I left a big hint)  ^_^
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 13th, 2010, 11:37 PM
Dunno, LOTR maybe?

Dr. Who was an easy one really! You gave it away. Although it's the S1-4 logo, not the latest one. I prefered the old one anyway. :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 13th, 2010, 11:45 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 13th, 2010, 11:37 PM
Dunno, LOTR maybe?
Nope, there's still an 'original' word in there.  Considering it's not SMF, Wedge and 'the' doesn't help....
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 13th, 2010, 11:48 PM
Daggerfall, Morrowind, Obsidian? (Elder Scrolls)

Btw I really like the season 5 stuff :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 13th, 2010, 11:57 PM
Quote from Arantor on October 13th, 2010, 11:48 PM
Daggerfall, Morrowind, Obsidian? (Elder Scrolls)

Btw I really like the season 5 stuff :P
Specifically Morrowind, but they're all pretty similar in style.  A season 5 logo might be a bit tricky, but a fun challenge.  ^_^
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 14th, 2010, 12:03 AM
Oh, should have thought of Elder Scrolls...
I played Morrowind until I had to do several tasks for several tribes... Then I had a bug or something that killed the storyline and I didn't want to replay it so I only got to see the end in speedruns. The music sucked, too, so I moved my Oblivion music folder to the Morrowind folder... That worked fine, eheh.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Mad I tell you! MAD!)
Post by: Adonis on October 14th, 2010, 07:22 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 13th, 2010, 10:56 AM
Reuse ideas you had for other logos but that you ended up dumping, etc. Maybe they'll work better on this new subject!

"You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind!"
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 14th, 2010, 04:52 PM
FUNKY :D

I like all of them. 10 seems particularly Web 2.0-ish too.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 15th, 2010, 04:43 AM
Quote from Adonis on October 14th, 2010, 07:22 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 13th, 2010, 10:56 AM
Reuse ideas you had for other logos but that you ended up dumping, etc. Maybe they'll work better on this new subject!

"You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind!"
Okay, rather extreme and unusable examples there, but dialled back I figure they could generate some ideas.  Or not.  :-/

Mostly a 'Be careful what you ask for' post.  ;)


Here's some more usable (?) ideas.  Again with the negative space, and a bit tighter kerning - since that's what all the *cool* logos do.  :)


EDIT: This being the simplest versions, if there's a clear favourite, I'd refine it a bit more and variations thereof.  Resemblance to Adobe logo purely coincidental.  :whistle: (and will likely disappear with a gradient, dropshadow or font change)
Posted: October 15th, 2010, 04:16 AM

Of course, to go really logoy, you have to mess with the individual letter shapes.


The Pen Tool and I are not the best of friends.  :geek:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 15th, 2010, 09:44 AM
I don't know, at this point I just thought you were doing some dadaist impression of logo concepts... Which worked pretty well BTW :P
I'm really looking for a usable logo, you know! Not something corporate, but something in the spirit of what's being done these days -- sober and cool at the same time.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 15th, 2010, 07:24 PM
 :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 15th, 2010, 09:06 PM
That's nice :D
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 15th, 2010, 09:14 PM
Thanks can be tweaked  :eheh:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 16th, 2010, 01:07 AM
Quote from DirtRider on October 15th, 2010, 07:24 PM
:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
Has a nice 40s/50s vibe to it.  Not a big fan of dropshadows - though I find it helps if they're non-gray and not too sharp.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2010, 08:41 AM
Can we do some serious logo'ing now? :niark:
The one below is still closest to what I'm looking for... I made the wedge a bit brighter to make it stand on a black background. Still not happy with it entirely.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 08:53 AM
I can look at that but I got to say I am not thrilled over the "SMF for real men" it has negative connotation to it  :hmm: Also the W may be a bit of a challenge to get it to really pop
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 09:16 AM
Just a few others that I quickly put together. Also if you are looking at a possible dark theme then the grey and black would be lost
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 09:30 AM
A few more. What font did you use for your one ?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 10:06 AM
Yet another  :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 10:41 AM
So far I like Wedge Logo 2e.png  it's just a bit different to what you would normally see. However you really need to see how it looks when it is up to get a better idea of where we are going with it
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 04:42 PM
 :hmm: :hmm:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 05:26 PM
 :^^;:  This was fun  :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 05:46 PM
I am still not into this "SMF for real men" thing. You are probably excluding half (females) the population and pissing off another third (will leave this one up to you imagination)  :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2010, 05:49 PM
Nao did explain where that came from, I'm tempted to suggest it should be "SMF for anti-hypocrits" or similar :P

Invent your own! Heck, even use my byline - "Innovate, not Imitate" - if you like.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 06:02 PM
I am just think of the finished product now it does not really matter what it says lol
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2010, 06:07 PM
Well, my girlfriend suggested we look at the font on condom packets, on the theory that that's for real men!
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2010, 06:08 PM
Quote from Bloc on October 16th, 2010, 11:35 AM
That "wedge" like image inside the w...I think Adonis made something earlier which i liked: a slight bevel on it.
Well, that's what I was looking for originally ;) (I mentioned the noisen logo over at noisen.com. The bevel is precisely there to allow for showing it on dark backgrounds.)
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Font-types..how would you describe how you want wedge to look to the outside world? Your Yanom-kaffe font now suggest stability, but maybe a bit on the safe side. Should it be a bit more "risky"? Harder corners, suggesting a more agressive tone, "I want to go somewhere" kind of attitude?
Ask Pete if you need directions :P
If you just need to know the tone... I personally prefer a serious logo and second degree humour everywhere else. I find that silly logos can be off-putting to people, they need to feel a sense of professionalism on their first visit, and then they need a bit of fun when they stay around.

I was thinking, maybe we should drop the entire "wedge inside the w" thing...
Maybe keep the "w" in a different color, like the current wedgeo version -- have the wedgeo logo, and add a very, very slight white bevel around it (near sub-pixel?), and then we'll think of a logo to put next to it.
I'm thinking, since everyone loves a round logo and I've never done that... And we're looking into the possibility of calling blogs "wedges"...

Anyway -- made a quick mockup and I'm happy with it. It may not be very original, but it works...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2010, 06:39 PM
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Ask Pete if you need directions
Never ask me for directions unless I happen to have a map and a GPS handy. I even get lost in Minecraft after a few hundred blocks if I don't have my own landmarks to follow :P

Seriously though, the direction we're going for with Wedge is the 'I want to go somewhere' tone. Not the slightly wishy-washy trying to please everyone tone that I felt with the SMF stuff. We are not trying to cater to all things, we are not trying to be the tool for every occasion.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2010, 07:10 PM
Yeah... I think what Pete is trying to say, is that WE are the real men I was talking about. :niark:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2010, 07:15 PM
No, more like we're not the whiny-ass hypocritical 'men' in the strictest Darwinian sense. Speaking of which... I'm sure Survival of the Fittest has to kick in before long...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2010, 07:27 PM
You've lost me at this point. :whistle:

Anyway -- any opinions on my 'globe wedge' idea?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2010, 07:29 PM
The implication is that the male variety of the SMF team are not "real men".

Being honest? My first thought was "When did Mozilla buy us out?" It reminds me very firmly of Firefox/Thunderbird.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2010, 07:48 PM
Well, the icon is actually a Firefox icon from an icon set (DroplineNeu), I just recolored it and took a slice out of it, nothing big. It's the idea I'm inquiring about, not the execution ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2010, 07:49 PM
The idea's neat provided it doesn't feel like a Mozilla icon at the end.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2010, 08:01 PM
How 'bout this?
I tried applying the concept to a more 3D'ish icon, but it's hard to retain the 3D effect, eheh...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2010, 08:07 PM
Feels like KDE now :P Better though.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 16th, 2010, 08:25 PM
Just playing around as you may have noticed  :niark:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 16th, 2010, 09:56 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 16th, 2010, 08:41 AM
Can we do some serious logo'ing now? :niark:
So I shouldn't post this?  :whistle:


Posted: October 16th, 2010, 09:52 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 16th, 2010, 07:27 PM
Anyway -- any opinions on my 'globe wedge' idea?
Something with a wedge out of it might be an idea.  I'm not sure about a globe though.  I keep thinking there's a subtext about what is/isn't part of the wedge..  :hmm:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 17th, 2010, 12:01 AM
And some more serious-type ones  :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 17th, 2010, 07:25 AM
Ummm I really like the 3a for my site...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 17th, 2010, 03:54 PM
 :hmm:
Posted: October 17th, 2010, 10:24 AM

Just trying some stuff out and using wedge as a test bench  :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 17th, 2010, 04:05 PM
I like that a lot :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 17th, 2010, 04:58 PM
Thanks, I also like it I must admit.  :whistle:

I am trying out different things on some graphic software and wedge is a nice test bench for me right now so you may see one or two more popping up  :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 17th, 2010, 05:07 PM
Quote from DirtRider on October 17th, 2010, 03:54 PM
:hmm:
Posted: October 17th, 2010, 10:24 AM

Just trying some stuff out and using wedge as a test bench  :lol:
Has a vague 'Windows' feel about it.  :o but otherwise  :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 17th, 2010, 05:10 PM
Quote from Adonis on October 17th, 2010, 05:07 PM
Quote from DirtRider on October 17th, 2010, 03:54 PM
:hmm:
Posted: October 17th, 2010, 10:24 AM

Just trying some stuff out and using wedge as a test bench  :lol:
Has a vague 'Windows' feel about it.  :o but otherwise  :cool:
LOL never thought about that  :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 17th, 2010, 05:28 PM
Wouldn't you rather use your new toys to play around with the two logos I posted earlier? :P
(Icon set is DroplineNeu.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 17th, 2010, 05:30 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 17th, 2010, 05:28 PM
Wouldn't you rather use your new toys to play around with the two logos I posted earlier? :P
(Icon set is DroplineNeu.)
:lol: That may be an idea  :blush:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 17th, 2010, 05:47 PM
Something more along these lines then
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 18th, 2010, 05:45 AM
Trying some CS5 3dness.  :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: live627 on October 18th, 2010, 08:23 AM
Using Safari dev build?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 18th, 2010, 06:41 PM
Quote from live627 on October 18th, 2010, 08:23 AM
Using Safari dev build?
Huh?  :huh:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 18th, 2010, 06:47 PM
He thought you said CSS, indicating HTML5 stuff, not Photoshop CS5 ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 18th, 2010, 07:04 PM
Okay, what do you think of this one...?
It's the latest committed logo. It's not perfect, but it's the idea. Really. I'm very happy with it now.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 18th, 2010, 07:06 PM
What is that thing next to the text? :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 18th, 2010, 07:15 PM
Just did this one, just let me know if you still want me to look at this for you  :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on October 18th, 2010, 07:17 PM
Quote from Arantor
He thought you said CSS, indicating HTML5 stuff, not Photoshop CS5 ;)
I try not to speak in l33t.  ::)
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 18th, 2010, 07:04 PM
Okay, what do you think of this one...?
It's the latest committed logo. It's not perfect, but it's the idea. Really. I'm very happy with it now.
Gradient is nice. Proportions and positioning is good. But...
Quote from Dismal Shadow
What is that thing next to the text? :P
And why is it broken?   :P

I can do some alternate thing-bobs when I get back from the shift at the saltmines  :thanks:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 18th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Bloc, that's awesome! It covers what we're trying to say - blunt, to the point, but smoothly done.

That's really what we've been aiming at with Wedge to date, which is why the non-UTF-8 stuff is gone, why PGSQL/SQLite is gone etc, we're not trying to cater to everyone or everything.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 18th, 2010, 09:07 PM
*nods* They all work for me :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 18th, 2010, 09:12 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: I think I really missed the point here or should I say the wedge  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 18th, 2010, 09:16 PM
Where the hell is teh damn "Like" button? Oh wait....
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 18th, 2010, 09:34 PM
I like it (you're really good at minimalistic design, Master!), but (there's always a but), have you tried making a favicon out of it?
I tried, and it doesn't look good...
I'm attaching my current favicon, which is pretty good if I may say so myself. (Kryten's voice.)
As for the wedge's position, I was thinking, why not INSIDE? Here's a cutout version and a regular one...

As of now, I still prefer my own version, mainly because of the favicon, and also because I like the concept of Wedge as an orange wedge (an idea we're looking into reusing in the software to call boards themselves) and it also suggests a simple machine (part of a cog), while a wedge object represents nothing more than a simple machine.
Also, I like the palette I used. Colors are important.

We're onto something!

:edit: Added a lighter version of the wedge.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 18th, 2010, 10:51 PM
Any other opinions...?

I asked my girlfriend her advice on all of the logos on this page. She's a skilled computer user but doesn't have much patience for websites. I still thought an external opinion is good.

"(My latest) What's that thing in the middle of the text? Ah, a wedge? Well it isn't obvious.
(Bloc's latest) Is there an accent in "Wédge"? That's weird...
(My fave) Meh.
(Overall) Red sucks. Keep the text only."

I don't like her comments, but I felt I should be honest enough to post them...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: live627 on October 19th, 2010, 12:41 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 18th, 2010, 10:51 PM
Red sucks.
No.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 19th, 2010, 05:42 PM
Bump for Pete and pretty much everyone...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 19th, 2010, 05:51 PM
I don't have much of a preference :( I don't have any I dislike, they all seem to work, some better than others, and pretty much every one hits on what we're trying to do, I think.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 19th, 2010, 06:09 PM
Well, I have a feeling you're trying not to hurt my feelings beyond what you said here :^^;:
Quote from Arantor on October 18th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Bloc, that's awesome! It covers what we're trying to say - blunt, to the point, but smoothly done.

That's really what we've been aiming at with Wedge to date, which is why the non-UTF-8 stuff is gone, why PGSQL/SQLite is gone etc, we're not trying to cater to everyone or everything.
It's okay Pete, you MAY think I suck at design, because that's true! (Well, I'm better than most, but if I were a good designer, I wouldn't be a code monkey in the first place!)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 19th, 2010, 07:18 PM
No, that's not what it's about. It's simply that I've seen the various designs, and even the ones from Bloc that I thought were awesome at the time - well, to be blunt, none of them have left a lasting impression on me. I'm not a visual person, I don't relate so well to visual concepts, never have, which is why I'm a better programmer than I am a designer or UI person.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 19th, 2010, 07:26 PM
The big problem is some people go on first impressions and if it looks great then you are sold. They then worry about what it can do. I have plenty members that feel this way. Make it look great and we are happy
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on October 20th, 2010, 01:24 PM
I never thought of Wedge as driving a wedge into SMF, actually. To me, it was a cunning play on words; a wedge is a different kind of simple machine to a fulcrum. It's also a more refined simple machine; simpler to use, no moving parts - it just works.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 20th, 2010, 01:54 PM
Yup... Although ideally it's hard to make it 'just work' when we're really working on putting cutting-edge stuff into it.
I don't have a personal concept of what the Wedge is. You have to see it for yourself™.
I just want something that looks cool and has a small logo that can be reduced to a 16x16 favicon that still looks good. It's much harder than it seems. I actually reworked my own logo when I found it didn't look fantastic as a favicon. Now it does. Which is why I'd really be interested in seeing you try your hand at a favicon, too.

It's not just the favicon, btw... It's nice to have a Wedge icon that can be used in several places.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 21st, 2010, 08:21 AM
Just as long as it's not Wedge Antilles or a Wedgie :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 21st, 2010, 10:51 AM
I just had to have another bash  :lol:

Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 22nd, 2010, 11:20 AM
(http://images.zaazu.com/img/tired-tired-weary-exhausted-smiley-emoticon-000749-large.gif)

I think I am now all wedged out over this one now
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 23rd, 2010, 05:39 PM
Bloc, wassup...?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: live627 on October 23rd, 2010, 07:00 PM
Nao's fave is my favourite too
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 23rd, 2010, 07:29 PM
Quote from Bloc on October 23rd, 2010, 06:34 PM
I am currently working on my themeclub lol, so I haven't worked anymore on this. But didn't you opt for your own logo version/favicon..?
Well, while I have my favorites[1], I would rather choose something that everyone loves. It's hard, I know, but it takes time and sometimes you 'get used' to something you didn't like in the first place, etc...
Anyway, since I absolutely need a good-lookin' favicon, I was waiting for your own ;)
 1. The cog logo I made, as well as the slightly monochromatic "wedge text with a wedge extruded out of it" which, I must admit, I made by accident ah ah...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on October 26th, 2010, 02:43 PM
Bump for opinions on the logos so far...?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on October 26th, 2010, 03:07 PM
I have lost track what logo are we talking about, maybe list the ones you particularly like
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 18th, 2010, 04:41 PM
Bumping for logo opinions. Maybe after all this time, you've all gotten to a point where you have a favorite?
Does the current logo in the header suit you fine or not?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 18th, 2010, 04:45 PM
Works fine for me.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 18th, 2010, 05:39 PM
Maybe I should make the wedge itself a bit brighter...
And I realize I made a typo in the slogan, it should be "Time to DIE, smf". Sorry about that one!
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: live627 on November 19th, 2010, 06:05 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on November 18th, 2010, 04:41 PM
Does the current logo in the header suit you fine or not?
There's some weird object intruding in the logo... ah it's a wedge... it looks out of place.

And, despite what your gf thinks, red is nice! (Mostly)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 07:30 AM
People could think it's a space shuttle or whatever, I don't care ahah.
Anyway, anyone's free to submit logos... But we're close to going public so I suppose it'd be nicer to select from the already existing ones that Bloc and I submitted... As a temp logo at least.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: live627 on November 19th, 2010, 08:08 AM
Space shuttle. That was an awesome one.

You mentioned your favourite logo that you showed to your gf... I liked it a lot.
Posted: November 19th, 2010, 08:04 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on October 16th, 2010, 06:08 PM
Anyway -- made a quick mockup and I'm happy with it. It may not be very original, but it works...
I think I found it
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on November 19th, 2010, 08:46 AM
Could we maybe have the short list of what ones are a possibility. I don't really like the current one the slogan is hard to read and I am not sure about the wedge thing in the logo  :hmm: :eheh:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 02:00 PM
live, my current favorites (and been for a while) are:
- the one below the one you linked.... :^^;: http://wedge.org/up/6271/logo-madness-was-new-revs/msg249986/#msg249986
- first in this list: http://wedge.org/up/6271/logo-madness-was-new-revs/msg249970/#msg249970 (I also like the last one, although a bit less.)

It's hard to make a choice, isn't it?

The slogan's readability is only due to it being too long to warrant a big font size, ah ah...
I could just say "Wake up, SMF" but it would then be too short I think (?), or "Time to die, SMF" but people would beg to differ :P

As for a shortlist... Well, I guess I can do that at some point.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 02:56 PM
Quote from Bloc on November 19th, 2010, 02:24 PM
How about "a new era" or something like that? does it have to be so "in-your-face"?
YES :P
"A new era" is kinda boring (and cliché, if you'll allow my use of an accent, eheh.)
It's a given, really. SMF2 Gold will be out soon, and forks will be coming from everywhere (or not). Wedge will be old news in a month.

As for "in your face", I don't think this slogan can be described that way... On the contrary, it's relatively friendly: we're suggesting that SMF wakes up if they don't want to be forgotten soon. It's also suggesting that WE're in the process of making it wake up.
I don't really know of any 'uppercut' slogan that would be cool to use.
It's that, or rely on more politically correct slogans, like "WE are living/coding on the EDGE". Boring, too... Dunno.

I really liked "SMF for real men", but apparently it was seen as too sexist. :lol:
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I know you didn't like it looking like a sign or foreign letter or something,
It's not foreign to me, it's a misspelling :P
Just like "Pokémon" is a misspelling. It's just Pokemon. The accent being there to hint on pronounciation. Then again, Americans usually don't bother with spelling. I never understood why they insist on spelling the city of Marseille as "Marseilles". Uh. It's never had an "s" at the end... Just because Paris, Nîmes or Nantes have an s doesn't mean we have cities like Lyons, Lilles, Strasbourgs or Nices... Ah well.
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but imho it lends a bit of mystique to it. Placing the wedge IN the logo def. do not wok, it looks forced and obscures the letters.
I like the idea of obscuring the W. The E, not so much, which is why the current version has the wedge slightly more to the left.
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If anything the wedge should just blend in with one of the letters or something. But you decide of course.
We decide, really.
Otherwise I'd have chosen my fave logo long ago and closed this topic. :P
A logo is an identity. Wedge is We. I don't get to decide alone for everything -- I don't want to, either.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 03:02 PM
Unrelated: you may have noticed I was working on the header background (rather than logo) in the last hour... I think I've reached a point I like. It looks cool and it makes the logo stand out, as opposed to the earlier background which was a bit too much. (It used to be good, for the very first logo, because that one was pure black so it did stand out.)

Basically, all public and common places have a blue background, while the private area has a golden background. Just so you remember easily where you're posting :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 19th, 2010, 03:15 PM
For the geek win, the slogan should of course be "A New Hope" being the tagline of the first (proper) Star Wars film, and that was about a group of rebels standing up against the Empire and declaring that they would not conform, battles of masters of their skills, etc.

I like pretty much every logo that's gone on here, and to a point it almost doesn't matter what the logo looks like: we can always improve on it later. What's more important isn't the surface finish but the under-the-hood, the heart of the machine. No time vortexes here to be seen, naturally.


The unrelated note is pretty neat actually :) It actually reminds of what I did when I started arantor.org - I put the dark theme there, but I use the same dark theme on Airship Chronicles where there are a couple of regulars on both sites, so I changed the orange header to red for the other site so they're distinguishable at a glance.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 03:32 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 19th, 2010, 03:15 PM
For the geek win, the slogan should of course be "A New Hope"
A new hop? :P
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being the tagline of the first (proper) Star Wars film, and that was about a group of rebels standing up against the Empire and declaring that they would not conform, battles of masters of their skills, etc.
But... I wanna be Dark Vaderz lulz  :geek:
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I like pretty much every logo that's gone on here, and to a point it almost doesn't matter what the logo looks like: we can always improve on it later.
Sure we can... It's not final as long as v1.0 isn't out. But it's also important to give a good impression from day one ;)
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What's more important isn't the surface finish but the under-the-hood, the heart of the machine. No time vortexes here to be seen, naturally.
Yeah... So, what about "Simple math, really"?
It's a pun on Simple Machines, of course. But it also means that choosing between SMF and Wedge is simple math.
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The unrelated note is pretty neat actually :) It actually reminds of what I did when I started arantor.org - I put the dark theme there, but I use the same dark theme on Airship Chronicles where there are a couple of regulars on both sites, so I changed the orange header to red for the other site so they're distinguishable at a glance.
Yeah, it's pretty cool playing with headers :)
Unfortunately, most forum owners either don't bother, or when they do... Well they shouldn't :lol: The myspace effect!
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 19th, 2010, 03:43 PM
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A new hop?
You're not Arnold J. Rimmer, your family doesn't thrive on a misprint of the Bible.
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But... I wanna be Dark Vaderz lulz
My natural English accent isn't quite up to Alec Guinness', but I do have the beard.
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Sure we can... It's not final as long as v1.0 isn't out. But it's also important to give a good impression from day one
That's very true.
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Yeah... So, what about "Simple math, really"?
It's a pun on Simple Machines, of course. But it also means that choosing between SMF and Wedge is simple math.
If you're going for the pun angle:
Simple Math, Finally
Simple Math, Fortunately
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Yeah, it's pretty cool playing with headers
I don't for the most part (except for the colour change as mentioned), but most people grab a theme they like and stick with it, because they're boring.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 03:52 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 19th, 2010, 03:43 PM
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A new hop?
You're not Arnold J. Rimmer, your family doesn't thrive on a misprint of the Bible.
I can't believe you found the reference!! :lol:
Are you a hoppist, too? :whistle:
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But... I wanna be Dark Vaderz lulz
My natural English accent isn't quite up to Alec Guinness', but I do have the beard.
Yeah, nice combo.
Or I could be Han, and you'd get to be Chcensored
(What? He DOES have a beard! A hundred of them, too!)

I suppose I'd be more likely to be Luke, though. That's what you get when you're blond. <sigh>
Works with Obi-Wan, too. Although it tells me you're going to leave before we release v1.0. Refund! Refund!
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Sure we can... It's not final as long as v1.0 isn't out. But it's also important to give a good impression from day one
That's very true.
For instance, I think the logo better works on the golden background than the blue background. Should I invert the two background colors?
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If you're going for the pun angle:
Simple Math, Finally
Simple Math, Fortunately
Or "Simple Math: Fuck'em!" :lol:
Anyway, do you like the Simple Math take? I didn't even think about adding an F to complete the pun.
Maybe "Simple Math, Friends". Hmm no.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 03:53 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 19th, 2010, 03:43 PM
most people grab a theme they like and stick with it, because they're boring.
I say we remove Theme support from Wedge!

No, even better! We remove people support from Wedge! No more stupid themes!
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 19th, 2010, 03:58 PM
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I can't believe you found the reference!!
It's even a continuity error across the canon - he talks about that as being awful for Sunday dinner since it goes everywhere (especially the gravy), then points out elsewhere that he nearly starved as a child because he wouldn't be fed unless he answered questions correctly, and failed.
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Yeah, nice combo.
Or I could be Han, and you'd get to be Chcensored
(What? He DOES have a beard! A hundred of them, too!)

I suppose I'd be more likely to be Luke, though. That's what you get when you're blond. <sigh>
Works with Obi-Wan, too. Although it tells me you're going to leave before we release v1.0. Refund! Refund!
I'm definitely hairy enough to be Chewbacca, and I can sometimes growl like a Wookiee (did I spell that right? been way too long)

But... did Han shoot first? :o

Relax, Obi-wan isn't only in the first film, he does turn up at times in the two later films, then we get a whole new set of three films with his character and someone doing a terrible impersonation of his accent, haha.
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For instance, I think the logo better works on the golden background than the blue background. Should I invert the two background colors?
It does work better, but I'd leave it alone, there are currently more private boards than public ones and I like feeling special :)
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Anyway, do you like the Simple Math take? I didn't even think about adding an F to complete the pun.
Maybe "Simple Math, Friends". Hmm no.
I like the Simple Math take generally, but if you're going for the pun, really should have all three letters.
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No, even better! We remove people support from Wedge! No more stupid themes!
Headline feature for 1.0.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 04:08 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 19th, 2010, 03:58 PM
It's even a continuity error across the canon - he talks about that as being awful for Sunday dinner since it goes everywhere (especially the gravy), then points out elsewhere that he nearly starved as a child because he wouldn't be fed unless he answered questions correctly, and failed.
Well... I've read a couple of trivia books and watched all episodes at least 3 times (sometimes many more, but not season 3), and I have no remembrance of that detail. You're more hardcore than I am!

I don't know about you, but IRL, I'm a mix between Rimmer's egocentrism, neurosis and pedantry, and Lister for... uh... for the rest, "hopfully"?
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Yeah, nice combo.
Or I could be Han, and you'd get to be Chcensored
The joys of copying-pasting text... See, you missed a S tag here.
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I'm definitely hairy enough to be Chewbacca, and I can sometimes growl like a Wookiee (did I spell that right? been way too long)
I think it's just wookie but I'm no specialist. At all. I can spell Cardassian, though. And say Q'apla, of course.

So, you sing like a wookie and you dance like an ewok! You'd be a killer on nerd dancefloors! Start the music, here's for you Travolta!
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But... did Han shoot first? :o
YES!
I didn't even notice that in the first version of the movie... But it definitely makes him cooler.
Come on, it's a BABY TOY! I'm sure the gun doesn't even have anything else than a STUN mode!
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Relax, Obi-wan isn't only in the first film, he does turn up at times in the two later films, then we get a whole new set of three films with his character and someone doing a terrible impersonation of his accent, haha.
I thought he was doing a pretty impersonation of Ewan McGregor, though. He just looked like him, without the talent of course.

(I can say whatever I want, I never got to see the 3rd movie. Not particularly in a hurry to watch it, after the first two episodes...)
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It does work better, but I'd leave it alone, there are currently more private boards than public ones and I like feeling special :)
Ah ah ;) Okeydokey.
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No, even better! We remove people support from Wedge! No more stupid themes!
Headline feature for 1.0.
You've got a deal.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 04:12 PM
Changed the logo color for the blue background. Works well :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 19th, 2010, 04:37 PM
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Well... I've read a couple of trivia books and watched all episodes at least 3 times (sometimes many more, but not season 3), and I have no remembrance of that detail. You're more hardcore than I am!

I don't know about you, but IRL, I'm a mix between Rimmer's egocentrism, neurosis and pedantry, and Lister for... uh... for the rest, "hopfully"?
I once wrote a big ol' article on my old-old website about the continuity blips in Red Dwarf. Unfortunately the Internet Archive isn't apparently serving the page at the moment :(
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I thought he was doing a pretty impersonation of Ewan McGregor, though. He just looked like him, without the talent of course.
Though I have to say, it was one of the best English accents from someone whose accent isn't actually an English one, that I've heard in a while.


And yes, the change looks good :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 07:04 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 19th, 2010, 04:37 PM
I once wrote a big ol' article on my old-old website about the continuity blips in Red Dwarf. Unfortunately the Internet Archive isn't apparently serving the page at the moment :(
Shame you don't keep track of your old websites... All of my websites are still accessible at their 5yo URLs, it's not that hard ahah.
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Though I have to say, it was one of the best English accents from someone whose accent isn't actually an English one, that I've heard in a while.
I couldn't judge myself. To me, ideally the British accent is Hugh Grant, and realistically, it's Lister.
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And yes, the change looks good :)
At last, I'm happy with the banner. For the first time, it looks great, pixel-perfect.
I think I'm gonna keep the tag (including the "Really"), except if someone has a better suggestion. We'll just have to do with the Simple Machines pun, rather than SMF pun...
"Simple math, cheers!" would work phonetically as a pun on Simple Machines, but it may be a bit stretched at that point.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 19th, 2010, 07:43 PM
I am really liking the slogan "A New Hope" :)
Posted: November 19th, 2010, 07:40 PM

"The Fate of SMF"  :niark:

"Meet the New SMF Brother"  :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: YogiBear on November 19th, 2010, 07:50 PM
Wedge4u

MyWedge (dreadful pun on the song My Way)

Wedge4u - software with the user in mind

SimpleWedge

NaoWedge (that'd rub their noses in it, heh heh  :eheh: )

Wedge4u - software of the future here today


All a bit naff maybe but just thinking aloud...  :unsure:


Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 08:13 PM
Not looking for names but for better suggestions than "Simple math, really." ;)
Most notably the "really".

("NaoWedge"? :geek:)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 19th, 2010, 08:52 PM
I have one... "Simply Powerful" :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: YogiBear on November 19th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Oops, try again...


Streets Ahead

Head'n'Shoulders Above

Above All

Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 09:19 PM
Okay guys, it just struck me... Are you kidding me or what? ::)
- The Star Wars references today... Chewie and all...
- "A new hope"...
- The "space shuttle" thing about the logo... May as well be considered as a Tie Fighter...
- And finally, I just remembered: Wedge Antilles.

Well, I really like the old SW movies, but I don't want people to think that Wedge is named after Wedge Antilles... I even have no friggin' idea what he looks like! lol.

What about something like this...?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 09:38 PM
I've added it as the banner logo in our private area. What do you think? Compare with the public area's logo.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 19th, 2010, 09:41 PM
I like the one here, seems better with the small wedge, less intrusive.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: YogiBear on November 19th, 2010, 10:04 PM
Rather than 'A new hope' maybe 'A new way' ?

'A new hope' can suggest an uncertainty.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 19th, 2010, 10:22 PM
I like your new logos, Bloc, a lot. I'll try to remember them. Can you provide me with a version with layers? I'm not very good at manipulating them (I'm using Paint Shop Pro 7, yeah I know it sucks... But I actually like it because it's not bloated for my use.)

Right now I've decided to stick with my current one because, well, I just spent my day on it and I'm giving meself a bit of leeway, ahah. Plus, I showed it to my gf and she said, "at last something nice!"
I offered "A new hope" and she screamed "Geek!" in a very bad way, lol. She much prefers "Simple math, really". She got the pun immediately and thought it made sense. I just called her to have a look at your logos, Bloc, but she's too tired to get off the bed so it'll have to wait.
Posted: November 19th, 2010, 10:20 PM

Can you try setting "simple math." and "really." next to the "d" 's upper branch, surrounding it? It would provide a better balance for the text I believe. Details like that matter. :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 20th, 2010, 12:02 AM
The current logo here looks good, as does Bloc's work above.

The 'A New Hope' was a combination of the SW theme and a tweak of one of the suggestions before it; the TIE fighter and Wedge Antilles were bits I hadn't thought of (as is, I was totally happy with 'A New Hope' before that was mentioned)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on November 20th, 2010, 04:52 PM
Bloc I like your ones very nice  :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 21st, 2010, 11:44 AM
Okay, I've made a quick mockup of Bloc's latest integrated into my design. (Look at the Blue banner pages to compare with Gold pages.)
I love it. It loses the "wedge put into a circle" effect, but it gains a new attitude -- the wedge, with its drop shadow, really looks like a spaceship now, boldly going where no BBS has gone before. (Now that's a slogan or I don't know anything about it :P)
This logo gets my approval.
It's a *bit* crowded compared to the Gold version, so I made the wedge text slightly less massive (shrunk horizontally by a few percents.)

As for the text above -- I slightly like it better when it was below, but it works nicely too.
The text could say either "Simple math. | Really." or "Choosing it is | Simple math."
Something like that...
But the shorter, the better.

Opinions welcome. Make sure to compare both versions by flipping through pages!
Posted: November 21st, 2010, 11:27 AM

Note for self: blue is (hue-saturation) 133-70, w is 30-122. Don't remember Gold.
:edit: Gold would be around 24-129.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 21st, 2010, 12:03 PM
Added this to the slogan list :P
"Boldly coding where no machine has gone before."

man/machine/machine code/SMF... Whatever you think is right ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 21st, 2010, 01:29 PM
Oh, the logo on the blue side is *nice*.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 21st, 2010, 11:29 PM
Better than this, I suppose? (quick mockup. Sorry for the quality.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: YogiBear on November 21st, 2010, 11:31 PM
Yep, that Wedge has the edge.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 21st, 2010, 11:33 PM
Quote from Bloc on November 21st, 2010, 12:44 PM
The different colored first letter I would have changed to all letters same color(it just looks too busy and give the logo a sense of being chopped up, "wedge" is short and one-syllable word - it should be seen as that too IMHO),
Well, I like having "edge" be separated from the "w"... Although originally it was due to the w representing the wedge itself... I've grown accustomed to it. Still, I only want it to slightly stand out, so it can be made as a shade of blue rather than gold, in the blue logo. Look at the current gold logo to get an idea.
I'm thinking of turning the logo text into an alpha transparent b&w text that can then safely be pasted onto the colored background, without requiring me to recolorize the logo.
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and make the logo colors stand out more..it seems to be almost sunk into the background, instead of springing out and saying "here i am!" .
Oh, that's precisely the point... It has so much information (the slogan, the logo picture, the logo text) that it has to be relatively integrated to its environment. It does create a contrast with the background.

@YogiBear> Which one?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: YogiBear on November 22nd, 2010, 12:06 AM
http://wedge.org/up/6271/logo-madness-was-new-revs/msg251514/#msg251514


 :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 24th, 2010, 11:06 AM
Okay so is it worth asking everyone which they prefer again? :P
Posted: November 22nd, 2010, 07:19 AM

Bump
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 24th, 2010, 02:41 PM
I like Bloc's the best, it's tighter, the slogan gives balance to the overall logo, and I like the hint of a wedge between the W and the E, I would actually make it more pronounced, just a tiny bit.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 24th, 2010, 03:17 PM
?

Both logos are Bloc's...
I just reordered the stuff between each.
As for the "hint of a wedge" (I didn't see it that way... You mean like my extruded logo?), it's going to be in the final logo anyway, whatever we choose.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 24th, 2010, 03:19 PM
I meant the one that we are using in the frontpage, not the one we see here, and yes I meant the extruded logo, looks like a thin wedge to me :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 24th, 2010, 04:55 PM
There are two logos in use on the banner, please re-read this topic's latest pages... :whistle:
As for the extruded logo, it was rejected by the majority so I gave up on it...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 24th, 2010, 05:02 PM
Yes, I was referring exclusively to the blue one, the one for public areas.  It has the slogan on top, rather than underneath, I think it makes it rounder, more compact.
Well, for the extruded logo, I guess I can live without that, it's a nice touch tough.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: YogiBear on November 24th, 2010, 05:04 PM
Yes, the one in blue with text above is more eye-catching...

http://wedge.org/
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 24th, 2010, 05:15 PM
Didn't you say the contrary a few days ago?

dannbass, can you please link to the extruded logo you're talking about?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: YogiBear on November 24th, 2010, 05:31 PM
I think I did but on second thoughts...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 24th, 2010, 05:34 PM
Of course! isn't it a beauty? has balance, I like how the "really" is after the "d" to reiterate, the spacing gives a pause... like, REALLY, get it, it's simple math!!
(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgeblue.png)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 24th, 2010, 06:28 PM
Yes, I like that too, but I think I would make the d longer, like the original, or just a tiny bit, or maybe not, you are the designer :) to me a longer d serves as the center and gives me the illusion of a triangle, just a hint.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 24th, 2010, 06:38 PM
I agree with you, I just think you didn't understand me, here is what I was referring to, I like the longer d because of this.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 24th, 2010, 06:54 PM
Quote from Bloc on November 24th, 2010, 06:34 PM
The actual triangle-shaped symbol can be used as a extra illustrative item in other contexts perhaps.
Oh man, I thought you meant the symbol that you took out :lol:
I like it with the slogan on top, now the d seems naked :-/
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: ['Daniel'] on November 24th, 2010, 07:05 PM
Alright... alone in the dark then... that poor d... lol
I don't like so much the displacement of the slogan, but it's just me, it seems that the g now has a prominent spot, that's where my eyes were drawn first.  From the two variations on this page I prefer the first one, but my ultimate favorite is your first one, with the slogan on top.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 25th, 2010, 11:42 PM
I'm rather upset, because I like those new offerings (the stylised 'g', mainly), but I can't find a way to exploit them.
I recolorized them (see hue settings two pages ago), resized them to have the size I need (75% H/80% V), and no... Nothing. Doesn't strike me as better than the current homepage logo. :-/

Logo design is art! (That's my lesson for today :lol:)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 26th, 2010, 10:18 AM
That, maybe?
(Yeah, the 'g' shouldn't have the loop come back to the left at the bottom. It should stop there, just a bit further than Bloc's concept of it.)

Meant something like that. (Below below.)

Slogan suggestion: "Simple math, for you." Has the SMF pun, means it's simply math for users to choose it (and complex math for us to handle), and the comma would indicate that there's geeky features on one side, and user comfort on the other side.
Of course it's all a lie but that's what marketing is for :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 26th, 2010, 11:08 AM
- 3D illusion: agreed, but it's a mockup, right? Again I'm bad at picture editing... I do most of my works without layers (I'm just not used to using them.) I originally tried with a bigger version of the wedge but it didn't work. Maybe with a very small version...
- Colors are good but too dark IMHO (and yes, I know mine is too dark, too, it needs at least a 30% or 50% gamma upping). Also, why prolong the 'd' when you can simply resize your pic to 75% horizontally and 80% vertically, like I do? I'm still gonna keep that size you know :) It's the perfect one for the header, or pretty much. Font: I prefer mine. We're looking at a slogan that doesn't distract attention too much, and a serif font is not good for that. Also, the "H" sticks too close to the "g" curve. Things like that... The g's curve goes too much to the right, it might work better with no text (slogan) to the right of it. Generally, I think the best place for the slogan is the lower left, making sure it doesn't go outside the bounds of the logo itself. I also like having a "pause" in the text, but that can also be achieved by turning your comma into a period.
- Slogan: I don't know, I just don't... I'm trying to stick with Pete's suggestion that the last word should start with an "F", so I was quite happy I found something that works without sounding like it's a fabricated slogan... I mean, "Simple math for you" is a proper expression. It works as a sentence, as a motto, while "Simple math fortunately" (or anything like that) does sound like it's been built purposedly for the acronym. You know, like "TARDIS" is supposed to mean "Time and relative dimension in space"... No one will make me believe they didn't try to put an acronym in TARDIS *after* they came up with the name... Eheh.

I hope I'm not too hard on you :^^;:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 26th, 2010, 11:32 AM
Quote from Bloc on November 26th, 2010, 11:20 AM
This is not an attack on you, Nao - but you do display a need to control everything.
Hmm... Yes, I do.
It's not an attack, it's the simple truth.
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Under such circumstances I don't see I can be of any real help here.
Well you did provide many of the concepts I enjoy in the current logo...
You could also share your ideas on other details. The banner for instance -- I spent several hours trying to figure out a way to integrate the logo into a simpler background... I came up with the "inverted colors on a stripe of light colors" concept, sort of a flow of ideas, uninterrupted even by the sidebar on the left. Yes, I did think about that crap a lot ahah. I didn't see any feedback on the banner itself.
Same for the team badges... I made recent changes to apply your Wedge icon to them. I changed the borders slightly to make them 'blend' in with the badge color, to give a feeling that the wedge's "arrival" into the badge is making the individual badge blend in with the team altogether. Yes, yes, yes, I promise I thought of all of that crap! :P Again, no comments on the badges...
It's not a problem but please don't say you can't help when you're so obviously more skilled at design than I am.
I'm constantly struggling to accept your designs, because that's what I've been doing since I became accustomed to your work on Curve. I first reject things, and then I try to think again.
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Maybe its better if I'll await the official versions and start exploring theme possibilities then. TBH I have had my share of trying to get *any* team to accept new things, especially in the visual area. Works better for me, and saves us from getting tangled up in un-needed discussions. Go with what you feel, Wedge is after your baby. :)
As of now, with Pete being MIA, it's an orphan... It could really use some extra action in other fields!

Just like we discussed with the theme overhaul... It's certainly something I'm going to initially reject, but I'll do my best to consider your work as a whole. There has to be room for both *logic* (i.e. UI and thematic concerns) and *art* (i.e. exploring new concepts) in something. It's just that the logic in me is so incredibly tough that the room I make for art is usually an afterthought. This is where you come in ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 26th, 2010, 11:50 AM
Something like that...? Details, details, boring I know!
I'm still trying to figure out a way to put our 'icon' back into the logo. Maybe to the left or right of it, not trying to interact with the text at all, would be best, I don't know...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 26th, 2010, 12:02 PM
I'm really that bad..... :^^;:
(And yes, I quickly patched up the "we" to avoid multiplying the number of "points of interest" in the logo. Minimal is better.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 26th, 2010, 12:04 PM
Quote from Bloc on November 26th, 2010, 10:48 AM
The first..hm,it doesn't quite work, as the 3d illusion is lost somewhat when the the 3d object itself is behind the text.
Do you think it'd work without the shadow (or the shadow placed elsewhere), and with your 'g'?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: spuds on November 26th, 2010, 03:40 PM
Trying to get folks to agree on color etc is a bit like herding cats, good luck !

For my taste I liked bloc's darker colors, reads stronger and therefore more powerful,

I like the later placement of the tag line so its in the bounds of the logo, provides a bit more order. 

I don't like the 3D wedge element *with* the rest of the logo, as it just gets to busy at that point, I'd reserve that for thinks like the badge, faviocn, etc


Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 26th, 2010, 04:10 PM
Quote from spuds on November 26th, 2010, 03:40 PM
I like the later placement of the tag line so its in the bounds of the logo, provides a bit more order.
I've replaced the current homepage logo with the new one, without wedge icon. I have to say that the icon not being there looks okay at this point, but it's still missing a little something.
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I don't like the 3D wedge element *with* the rest of the logo, as it just gets to busy at that point, I'd reserve that for thinks like the badge, faviocn, etc
But it doesn't work so well as a favicon, unfortunately. 16x16 is really too small for it.
Quite surprising, given that the more complex wheel-with-cog icon worked very well.

More tries...
Posted: November 26th, 2010, 04:04 PM

Lol for #3.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 27th, 2010, 03:10 AM
/melikes everything he's seen, none of them jumping out hugely in a bad way, they're all pretty awesome :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 27th, 2010, 11:49 AM
They're all awesome but both Bloc and I aren't happy..... :^^;:

Okay... How's that for a favicon?
Sometimes, simple is best :P

:edit: Works great here... Yay! Using as new favicon for wedgeforum. Icon problem solved, ahah!
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on November 27th, 2010, 01:27 PM
Really nice!!
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 27th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Yeah, I think so, too...
The good news is, I'm no longer looking for a proper icon then. We have our icon, it says "we". As in "we're doing this together". (Well, wishful thinking :P)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 27th, 2010, 01:38 PM
I'm up to rev 279 right now :P After that, I'm going to crack on with adding the drafts stuff because I've been putting that off for far too long.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 27th, 2010, 01:54 PM
Honestly, I'd recommend you make a diff patch out of the "inline JS movements" revs, there are many of them and many times I fixed issues rev after rev, so when you'll be analyzing a rev to find a bug, you'll want to hold until you can confirm it wasn't fixed later... Basically it's going to be messy for you.

+1 for drafts, really.

Yesterday night I wasted an hour here BECAUSE of the autosave... I swear to you :lol:
Actually I was waiting for live627 to post a message he'd been writing for an hour. Then I contemplated the fact that after one hour it wasn't done and he was still logged as "posting on...". Then it struck me: heck, he must have left his tab open and postponed the actual writing to later, but the auto-save didn't notice that nothing had changed at all... Brings us back to our earlier conversation about that ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 27th, 2010, 02:21 PM
At about the same point I looked at the notes and realised that was the way to go, so I'm just staring at a major unified diff (per file, at least)

add_js is pretty neat, though I did get confused looking at the editor changes when seeing add_js, followed by several $context['footer_js'] changes immediately thereafter - mostly because until I saw what add_js was doing, it never occurred to me that it might be adding <script> (even though I'd already read that!)

In which case, it seems there's a bug in ManageMail which does use add_js to add bits in the middle of a function...

What we could do there, maybe, is provide a second parameter to add_js, whether to add <script>, true by default - but likely that would be a touch slower, and probably not that much more readable.


As for drafts, I got a bunch of things about that, e.g. localStorage, with option to force using AJAX (if you move between computers habitually, for example)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 27th, 2010, 04:42 PM
OT pawa.
Quote from Arantor on November 27th, 2010, 02:21 PM
add_js is pretty neat, though I did get confused looking at the editor changes when seeing add_js, followed by several $context['footer_js'] changes immediately thereafter - mostly because until I saw what add_js was doing, it never occurred to me that it might be adding <script> (even though I'd already read that!)
Don't worry about all of this. You're just in a situation where you're a bit behind and you're trying to catch with the way I envisioned things commit after commit, and you're actually following the same train of thoughts ;) So just don't bother and do that unified diff eheh.
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What we could do there, maybe, is provide a second parameter to add_js, whether to add <script>, true by default - but likely that would be a touch slower, and probably not that much more readable.
No second parameter to add_js, because that would force us to set the first parameter as an array. And we don't want that... We want something easy to program for modders. add_js('my', 'code', 'is', 'cool.');
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As for drafts, I got a bunch of things about that, e.g. localStorage, with option to force using AJAX (if you move between computers habitually, for example)
Yup, I guess it'd be a good idea to offer the ability to disable localStorage...
Also, don't forget to automatically delete drafts after a set time. (Would one week be enough?)
Just FYI, last time I checked, I had 15+ pages worth of drafts here. And no I don't have any tabs open with messages under construction. Maybe needs a "delete all" function somewhere.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 27th, 2010, 06:15 PM
I did go and make a unified diff and reviewed that, which was much better - though still a lot to take in. The main stuff I see as different, really, is all the inline JS changes.

Yeah, I saw in hindsight about the whole thing of add_js being magical (though, as it happens, broken on pre 5.3, but I've already fixed that)

I'll comment more on the drafts stuff in the ticket, I think.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 27th, 2010, 09:33 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 27th, 2010, 06:15 PM
I did go and make a unified diff and reviewed that, which was much better - though still a lot to take in.
See, that's why I reduced my posting rate... Had to give you some time to look into it... :P
Seriously, you've managed to do it all today? It was really a LOT of data...
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The main stuff I see as different, really, is all the inline JS changes.
There are plenty other changes but indeed, most of it is the JS stuff.
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Yeah, I saw in hindsight about the whole thing of add_js being magical (though, as it happens, broken on pre 5.3, but I've already fixed that)
Yeah, maybe I should install PHP 5.0 on my WampServer, instead of running 5.3...

Or maybe we could require 5.3 :niark:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 27th, 2010, 10:14 PM
On topic:
I've uploaded a slightly modified logo (very slightly... Colors, position etc.), with the wedge icon in it. I think it's really the most 'crowded' we can afford to have. Maybe it's too much (stylized g + stylized line in 'we' + icon + slogan + two different colors for the text), actuallt it probably is, but I'd like to figure out what's *least* interesting in that logo, and thus can safely be removed.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 27th, 2010, 11:18 PM
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Seriously, you've managed to do it all today? It was really a LOT of data...
Most of it was lots of very similar changes when you think about it - a lot of the inline changes were actually quite small but numerous: change the start, change the indentation and change the end. TortoiseSVN + WinMerge handled it just lovely :)


Of the logo, the current incarnation is great but I think you're right that it is about as far as you can go stylistically without being too 'busy'. The stylised line in the we is probably the least interesting detail in that logo, though.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2010, 09:29 AM
Quote from Bloc on November 28th, 2010, 12:18 AM
If you aren't happy with whats been created thus far, then they are all "wrong" and you should start over and rethink it. IMHO.
No, no... I think the logo looks great.
It just doesn't strike me as PERFECT.
Just like Curve doesn't strike me as perfect even though it's a great theme. Just like Wedge's theme isn't perfect at all, etc. So I'm always trying to outdo myself... And I think you are, too. Which is why I'm concerned that you're feeling rejected when I'm only encouraging you to try to outdo yourself. :unsure:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2010, 09:36 AM
Quote from Arantor on November 27th, 2010, 11:18 PM
Most of it was lots of very similar changes when you think about it - a lot of the inline changes were actually quite small but numerous: change the start, change the indentation and change the end. TortoiseSVN + WinMerge handled it just lovely :)
Does WinMerge also change the color of lines when they're just being respaced/reindented, i.e. with no code logic changes?
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Of the logo, the current incarnation is great but I think you're right that it is about as far as you can go stylistically without being too 'busy'. The stylised line in the we is probably the least interesting detail in that logo, though.
I thought so, but OTOH the line is (albeit barely) visible in the favicon, and it's nice to have it in there. Of course, there's nothing that forces us to have a graphical detail in both the favicon and the big logo, it's just slightly better.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 28th, 2010, 02:20 PM
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Does WinMerge also change the color of lines when they're just being respaced/reindented, i.e. with no code logic changes?
The overall line is orange to indicate that it's different but what's changed is in yellowy/orange so even pure indenting changes are clear.
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I thought so, but OTOH the line is (albeit barely) visible in the favicon, and it's nice to have it in there. Of course, there's nothing that forces us to have a graphical detail in both the favicon and the big logo, it's just slightly better.
I had to stare at the favicon to see it the first time, and the only time it's actually visible at a glance is when it's the active tab in Chrome; when on the dimmed/inactive tab, you have to really stare at it to find it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2010, 03:49 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 28th, 2010, 02:20 PM
I had to stare at the favicon to see it the first time, and the only time it's actually visible at a glance is when it's the active tab in Chrome; when on the dimmed/inactive tab, you have to really stare at it to find it.
Yeah, I was just being a bit nitpicky...
So, do I redo the logo using exactly the same, except for the line that should be removed?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 28th, 2010, 04:25 PM
I think that'd work great, personally.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2010, 09:38 PM
I think I'm getting to it...

Previous one:

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgegold.png)

New one:

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath.png)

I used the opportunity to redo the 'g': vertical alignment (the g's bottom horizontal bar should now look like it sprang from the d's bottom bar), saturation and color hue should now be on par with the "ed" and "e" around it. I also reduced the distance between each letter by one pixel. It isn't obvious, but it helps create a professiona- looking logotype. Well, IMO of course.
Main issue is that I didn't manage to get the "w" to have the same obvious gradient effect... It feels a bit flat. This is because I had to redo much of the logo and I kinda mixed up the wrong files I guess. Still... For the latter, I have the PSP files (with layers). So it should be easier to work on it.

What do you think, guys?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on November 28th, 2010, 09:58 PM
Uhm.. I like it!
Maybe the "e" seems a bit "cut" at the end, but it's mostly an illusion. :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2010, 10:15 PM
I think it's an illusion... Except if others agree, of course!
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 28th, 2010, 11:47 PM
It's an illusion ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: YogiBear on November 29th, 2010, 12:47 AM
Hmm, it's an illusion.  :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 29th, 2010, 07:47 AM
Hey guys you didn't say if you liked the final logo or not :P

I just showed it to Milady. Her answer: "Mmmmmm mouais."
Which means basically in her terms, "Mmmmm it's probably the best you can do to have something usable" :P
so basically I have her approval seal. It's important to have the approval seal from someone who doesn't know shit about design ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on November 29th, 2010, 08:22 AM
I think maybe we are getting used to it and it makes perfect sense. However for an outsider I think the actual wedge at the bottom would be lost on them. It seem to strike me as just a prism of glass having no real function. I like the rest of the logo looking great  :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on November 29th, 2010, 08:36 AM
It's more tied in to the name than the fulcrum logo was for SMF (being a simple machine)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on November 29th, 2010, 10:12 AM
Quote from DirtRider on November 29th, 2010, 08:22 AM
I think maybe we are getting used to it and it makes perfect sense. However for an outsider I think the actual wedge at the bottom would be lost on them. It seem to strike me as just a prism of glass having no real function. I like the rest of the logo looking great  :cool:
Yeah, I think we have our winner... :)
Except for the 'w' being a bit flat, but I'm sure no one will notice that.
As for the wedge icon, it may be the 'next thing to go'. Depends on the audience's reaction to it I guess... But I'm sure they'll appreciate having something 'graphical' in the logo. Also, this is what I'm using on badges right now. I could try and putting the 'we' favicon into it instead, but... Well, it always takes a long time to do these logos so no thank you for now :P

+1 Pete. It took me years to realize it was a fulcrum at all...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: live627 on November 30th, 2010, 01:42 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on November 29th, 2010, 07:47 AM
Hey guys you didn't say if you liked the final logo or not :P
I do... out of the three you cranked out last, that's the one I dig, of you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on December 1st, 2010, 07:27 PM
I really dig it too, now... :)
I like both the version we have in the banner, and the text-free and icon-free version I put into the Wedge package. They both work and they're not too crowded really.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 2nd, 2010, 05:49 AM
 8-)

Liked the one with the slash.  :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on December 2nd, 2010, 10:11 AM
The slash -- you mean the empty line in 'we'?
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: DirtRider on December 2nd, 2010, 02:50 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on December 2nd, 2010, 10:11 AM
The slash -- you mean the empty line in 'we'?
That one is great  :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on December 2nd, 2010, 03:51 PM
Yeah but as we discussed earlier, it's 'too much detail' in the logo... It already has the stylized G, and the differently-colored W...
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on December 2nd, 2010, 04:52 PM
I don't think it should be changed; it looks good as it is - interesting without being too busy. It looks good in the current Wedge theme too :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on December 2nd, 2010, 05:06 PM
And in the Nix styling as well! (I have it as the default styling on my site... Yes, I like to think Wedge is what Yourasoft should have done from day one, and we're going to make their dream come true :P)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on December 2nd, 2010, 05:07 PM
Oh, btw, logo is broken in the SSI examples page but I figured we'll rewrite that anyway.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on December 2nd, 2010, 05:32 PM
I have yet to start working on the layout for any of the files in other/*.
Might as well start doing it...

So, basically, one of the issues I have with SSI, is validation. It seems logical to use HTML5 in SSI because it's used in Wedge. I can only imagine that parent websites will be switching to HTML5, too, and even in XHTML they'll still consider HTML5 code as valid.
However, I don't think we can expect parent pages to load index.css before calling the SSI code... Meaning that any classes in it will be ignored. That's a problem.
Only, many tables are declared as "ssi_table", which itself is declared in index.css, so I guess it can be expected that parent page owners will simply 'copy' the CSS information from index.css into their own stuff, if they really don't want to include our CSS files.

Also, I'm having a bug in ssi_examples.php... It doesn't finish the page, instead crashing on ssi_boardNews()... Hmm, will have a look.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on December 2nd, 2010, 06:19 PM
I'd argue that most of SSI stuff is a non issue where validation is concerned.

The SSI functions are called without index.css in most cases, which is fine. It's only if they use template_header or (worse, IMO) manually invoke template layers etc, that index.css is needed and really, most people aren't smart enough to even copy CSS, you'd be surprised how often most folks want to mash up SSI.php itself rather than use the return array option that nearly every function has... >_<
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on December 2nd, 2010, 07:52 PM
Let's just not care about 'em :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on March 14th, 2011, 05:01 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on November 28th, 2010, 09:38 PM
I think I'm getting to it...

Previous one:

...

New one:

...


What do you think, guys?
If I may make a small suggestion -- The shape/style colours etc are all great, but there's one little thing that's bothering me.

It doesn't 'pop' very much.  Particularly with the darker themes. There's a hint of a whisper of a bevel, but maybe a little stronger might help.  (A brighter white on the upper edging)
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Nao on March 14th, 2011, 05:12 PM
Possibly.
I'm thinking we could use the wedge triangular shape anywhere we need a logo but don't want to use the 'wedge' title.

Also, I'd be interested in resuming work on the logo. I liked Bloc's view of a purely monochrome logo the other day, even though I'd never been excited with the idea. I also still like the crossing line, and I'm not too fond of the upper part of the 'd' (it's too lifeless.) I'm good with the current logo (it really whips the llama's ass™), but it doesn't mean it can't be improved.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Adonis on March 14th, 2011, 05:21 PM
I don't know if the triangle itself is Wedge-y enough to represent the project on it's own.  Perhaps if the 'w' is projected onto one of the sides...

There's lots of things to try with the 'd'.  It could be taller, shorter, narrower, distorted (triangle-ish), chopped or added to at the top.  The trick would be to keep it subtle enough to not look corny.  :P

Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Arantor on March 14th, 2011, 05:21 PM
Working with me too long has rubbed off on you, eh, that things can always be improved? :P

I dunno, I'm actually really happy with the logo as it is (without the caption)
Title: Logo Madness 2
Post by: Deezel on March 30th, 2011, 04:37 PM
Hi guys,
Very impressed to see 2 names like this working on a great project that will shake up the "Forum Software" world.

If you guys need any help with graphics or anything feel free to let me know, I have a great team at my site that can help. :whistle:

Anyways Good for You Both.

Cheers
Deezel :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness 2
Post by: Nao on March 30th, 2011, 05:05 PM
Well we're always open to logo ideas :)
The current one is a joint collaboration between me and Bloc.
Title: Re: Logo Madness 2
Post by: Deezel on March 30th, 2011, 05:17 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on March 30th, 2011, 05:05 PM
Well we're always open to logo ideas :)
The current one is a joint collaboration between me and Bloc.
No prob, same size as the current logo? Color preferences?

Posted: March 30th, 2011, 05:09 PM

and feel free to pop in to our site... there is actually discussion about you guys there which is what brought me here in the first place.
Not sure if I can post it here but you can remove it if ya like... :whistle:
http://www.pixelmansion.com
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 30th, 2011, 07:14 PM
Quote from Deezel on March 30th, 2011, 05:17 PM
and feel free to pop in to our site... there is actually discussion about you guys there which is what brought me here in the first place.
Not sure if I can post it here but you can remove it if ya like... :whistle:
http://www.pixelmansion.com
No problems with linking websites. Actually nothing is prevented for now around here. (Except for friends to discuss anything they saw mentioned in the Private area. But that's a given.)

I used the opportunity to move the Logo Madness topic to this place. It's the huge topic where we exchanged ideas -- just make sure to read it thoroughly if you don't want to reinvent the wheel ;)

Basically, we don't NEED a new logo, because we all love the current one. But we're not closed to other ideas, either! Doing this logo was a lot of fun (hopefully it was for Bloc too... Or at least not too unpleasant :^^;:), and I don't see why we can't keep up like that.
Just in passing -- regarding size, this is the biggest we could afford. And we have a small (75x30) version of the logo that I like even better (it doesn't have the slogan and the stylized wedge/ship/triangle picture behind the logo.) I don't like it better because of the lack of these elements, but because I don't enjoy logos that take the whole screen, if you know what I mean. Small is beautiful.
Posted: March 30th, 2011, 07:13 PM

Split topic and merged posts to the right one.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Deezel on March 30th, 2011, 07:31 PM
So i'll just post some of the guys creations up here as i get them then.

P.S. They like the one you already have.... LOL!!!!

(http://www.pixelmansion.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=232.0;attach=1992;image)
(http://www.pixelmansion.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=232.0;attach=1994;image)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Xarcell on March 30th, 2011, 08:09 PM
Here is one, kinda a joke really. "Wedging" SMF...

I need to make the "W" more smoother though.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Deezel on March 30th, 2011, 10:52 PM
(http://www.pixelmansion.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=232.0;attach=1995;image)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on March 30th, 2011, 10:55 PM
@Deezel: They're so...... Web 1.0.... :unsure: :blush:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2011, 12:03 AM
I want a Times New Roman logo with animated flowers coming out of it. So 1996! :niark:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Cassiel on March 31st, 2011, 02:15 AM
Not to add in any opinions (too many chefs in the kitchen and all that), but I find it kind of amusing that the colors that you ended up going with for the logo are the colors that were mentioned for the public/private sections. :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2011, 08:06 AM
What do you mean?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on March 31st, 2011, 08:21 AM
You know... the headers... the nice blue one for public and orange for private
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ccbtimewiz on March 31st, 2011, 08:37 AM
The tagline is a bit strange, what is the meaning behind it?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2011, 10:31 AM
Really? Is it that hard to understand? The pun or the actual meaning?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Deezel on March 31st, 2011, 02:05 PM
I would guess it has something to do with coding.....
Posted: March 31st, 2011, 02:01 PM
Quote from MultiformeIngegno on March 30th, 2011, 10:55 PM
@Deezel: They're so...... Web 1.0.... :unsure: :blush:
Not sure what you mean, just started doing graphics stuff a year ago...  :blush:
Anyways, i make what i make, some like it some don't, it is what it is, ces't la vie, etc.... LOL!!! ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2011, 03:38 PM
Quote from Deezel on March 31st, 2011, 02:05 PM
I would guess it has something to do with coding.....
Maybe it's a cultural barrier or something.

"It's simple math" means "It's up to you but it shouldn't be too hard to decide."
That, and the pun on Simple Math / Simple Machines.
Quote
Not sure what you mean, just started doing graphics stuff a year ago...  :blush:
Anyways, i make what i make, some like it some don't, it is what it is, ces't la vie, etc.... LOL!!! ;)
I'm just saying that you don't NEED to make anything for us, we have everything you need and we're happy with everything we have (be it graphics, concepts or code), but if you have something better to suggest we're not going to stop you ;)
The least we could do is listen.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: and on March 31st, 2011, 11:01 PM
Quote from Deezel on March 30th, 2011, 07:31 PM
So i'll just post some of the guys creations up here as i get them then.

P.S. They like the one you already have.... LOL!!!!

(http://www.pixelmansion.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=232.0;attach=1992;image)
(http://www.pixelmansion.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=232.0;attach=1994;image)
very similar to Drupal :hmm:
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: godboko71 on March 31st, 2011, 11:44 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on November 28th, 2010, 09:38 PM
I think I'm getting to it...

Previous one:

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgegold.png)

New one:

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath.png)
I like only one part of the old logo better and that is the little white line removed from the word. I like the line because it makes the logo "pop" a bit more. I wish the fist e's curve would lead into the d's curve better because I really like how the d and g work together.

None of the above really matters though I like the logo, I would love it if the wedge itself didn't feel washed out. No idea how to fix that though. If the wedge looked different (Like I said no idea how to fix it I just know it doesn't feel right) it could be used itself as a great branding tool where the whole logo doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2011, 11:55 PM
Just read through the pages of the topic -- all of the different elements were posted at some point in here.
I also argued against the line (although I do think it looks great. But please read my explanation.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 4th, 2011, 08:04 PM
I'm growing unsatisfied with the current logo. Although it's really good, I wanted to try for more simplicity in terms of shades. I used the opportunity to give a try to PT Sans, a current favorite of mine, and just build upon that with a strike-through line (similar to what Bloc suggested but applied to the entire width), and again two different colors, but this time across the entire logo, rather than on the 'w'.

What do you think?
It's only a MOCKUP, it's not something 'definitive', I'm just trying to explore other ways of showing the logo...

:edit: I'm not saying I like it best. It simply fixes my current issues with the letter 'd' in our official logo, as well as with the shades of green on the letter 'g' (it's too bright compared to the rest). Also, the new logo is optimized for dark backgrounds. Its dark background could even be part of the logo, I don't know...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: b4pjoe on June 4th, 2011, 09:08 PM
If you don't like the top of the "d" you could go for small caps.

In the current one I could envision a transparent background with a slight bevel applied and just a hint of a soft drop shadow. Maybe make the line the orange used elsewhere with some kind of design (a slight burst of some kind) at one end of line. Feel free to tell me to keep quiet too. :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DoctorMalboro on June 5th, 2011, 01:09 AM
I like that one, but I like the one in my sig :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: dazed on June 5th, 2011, 03:20 AM
Just so, so...

my 2cents.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: b4pjoe on June 5th, 2011, 04:04 PM
Jest messing around here waiting for the rain to stop...

(http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx92/b4pjoe/wedge.png)

(http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx92/b4pjoe/wedge2.png)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 5th, 2011, 06:22 PM
What I like about lowercase is that it's non-aggressive... Friendlier than uppercase.

Okay since the mockup isn't very successful, I've resorted to adding a white shadow behind the original logo.
I find it still barely readable... And adding a bigger glow will make it look silly.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: b4pjoe on June 5th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Yeah, after seeing something with the all caps I agree the lower case is better.

I think the white shadow doesn't work very well for something that small. I like the original a little better.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 5th, 2011, 09:56 PM
That logo has always been a problem to me... :-/
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 5th, 2011, 10:23 PM
Okay... Which one?

The left one is relatively 'definitive'... The right one is still only the mockup -- I don't have the tools/skills to make it perfect.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Stef on June 5th, 2011, 10:24 PM
The left one.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron on June 5th, 2011, 10:39 PM
I prefer the left one, too, yeah. You've made some changes to it, compared to the one in the header, right? I like it.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on June 5th, 2011, 10:45 PM
Left :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on June 5th, 2011, 10:47 PM
left indeed
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: b4pjoe on June 5th, 2011, 10:56 PM
Left.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 5th, 2011, 11:01 PM
Odd.

I say right (mainly because of the font and the lightness of it all), and my girlfriend, who's my toughest critic (you wouldn't believe the things she can say :P), says right as well... :unsure:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on June 6th, 2011, 12:47 AM
How odd. I like both but prefer the left too - but I wonder how much of that is my internal 'don't want change' instinct kicking in...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: snoopy-virtual on June 6th, 2011, 01:42 AM
Maybe is that. I also like the left better but maybe because I am already used to see those colours.

I can see what you want to do with the right one though, but what I like less there is the colour of the background.

Have you tried with other backgrounds?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: dazed on June 6th, 2011, 02:11 AM
Quote from Arantor on June 6th, 2011, 12:47 AM
How odd. I like both but prefer the left too - but I wonder how much of that is my internal 'don't want change' instinct kicking in...
Not You? ???   :lol:

First choice the original one. Looks great on my solid black background.
Second choice the one on the left above.
The one on the right above? Meh. Although it might look OK on a different background.

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on June 6th, 2011, 02:14 AM
Quote
Not You? ???
Yes, even me :P Fact is, we all have an in-built anti-change mechanism, it's something that isn't within our comfort zone, etc.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 6th, 2011, 08:04 AM
Yeah, everyone gets cold feet when it's about leaving the comfort zone...
Quote from snoopy-virtual on June 6th, 2011, 01:42 AM
Maybe is that. I also like the left better but maybe because I am already used to see those colours.
Even with a dark background?
It really sucks to me...
Quote
I can see what you want to do with the right one though, but what I like less there is the colour of the background.
But the background is *Wine*... It's the footer! :^^;:

The entire point of changing the logo, is that I don't see why it should be in the header, where logos for the custom site should be, not logos for generic software... Only problem is, Wine has a darker background in the footer, and our current logo sucks on it.

Another mockup with similar palette to the current logo, and a gradient effect. (Now it reminds me of old 16-bit demo fonts :P)

:edit: Added another, with more greenish colors.. The 'd' is kinda screwed up, though.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on June 6th, 2011, 09:14 AM
Of the three I think that new one's my favourite :edit: by which I mean the one with the brown (?wine) background.

But really you should go with what you (and your girlfriend) think - art by committee is never a good idea!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 6th, 2011, 09:16 AM
Art by committee is not a good idea, but neither is staying in your ivory tower, impervious to the real world.
I've never let 'majority' dictate my behavior, but I've certainly been influenced by it.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 6th, 2011, 03:49 PM
- Space between letters: I specifically made sure to get as little as possible. Same for both logos, actually... I like it when text logos don't have much empty space.

- Yeah, the font is really good. It looks professional and not dull. That's PT Sans (check it out on Google Fonts). I really like its simplicity. Have fun with it :)

- The strike-through line is definitely your idea, yes. But I liked it! Just because I'm trying different logo ideas doesn't mean I'm forgetting earlier good ideas ;)

- BTW, welcome back! What's up with SMF and Wedge then...?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on June 6th, 2011, 05:19 PM
You cannot lose the 'strikethrough' - that is the wedge.
Maybe enlarge the font and enhance the 'wedge' a tad.?..... otherwise I love the original logo
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on June 6th, 2011, 06:40 PM
The new ones are a bit too... well I don't know, too '90s for my taste. I love the current logo and can't really see the reason to change that.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 6th, 2011, 06:44 PM
The reason is painfully obvious: it doesn't look good on dark backgrounds. It was only built with light backgrounds in mind... And since the Wine styling in Wedge has a dark footer...

Well, I suppose I could do *without* the logo in our theme...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on June 6th, 2011, 10:17 PM
I like this one better
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=436661.msg3064784#msg3064784   :cool:
 
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 6th, 2011, 10:37 PM
Okay, I'm convinced... I'm removing the logo entirely from the theme :lol:
Just the triangular symbol will do!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: and on June 6th, 2011, 11:04 PM
 :whistle: :lol: :niark:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on June 7th, 2011, 08:30 AM
Quote from Arantor on June 6th, 2011, 12:47 AM
How odd. I like both but prefer the left too - but I wonder how much of that is my internal 'don't want change' instinct kicking in...
What he said.

We are going through this again? :p
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 7th, 2011, 08:53 AM
And it'll never end... :P

I just spent half an hour redoing a Yanone-based logo from scratch (with some proper border this time), only to scrap it in the end...
Nah, I'll just go without the logo.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on June 7th, 2011, 11:26 AM
How about looking at the simple solutions, like this?
(http://stackmouse.kapsi.fi/img/wedgelogo.png)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 7th, 2011, 11:31 AM
I'm talking about a text logo, not a symbolic logo...
We already have (pretty much) a symbolic logo which I like.
Anyway, it's not like our current logo is bad or anything. It's just that it's missing some details to make it 'work' on dark backgrounds. So I used the opportunity to give a try to another kind of text logo...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on June 7th, 2011, 12:23 PM
Ah ok :)

I like the soft and earthlike colors of this forum, I am tired of the "cool and edgy" style with silver/blue color combinations. Also I really like the current logo, the only thing I'd do for it is to drop the picture of the wedge from the lower left corner.

Have you tried to "buttonize" the text logo so that the logo by default has a certain background color? Would that be a solution for it?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 10th, 2011, 12:56 PM
Quote from stackmouse on June 7th, 2011, 12:23 PM
I like the soft and earthlike colors of this forum, I am tired of the "cool and edgy" style with silver/blue color combinations.
Warning: Wedge.org != Wedge.
Wedge has the Wine styling, which is less 'earthlike', and more 'edgy'. It's still very good looking -- I'll post the first screenshots later this month, after I'm done with my nth redesign.
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Also I really like the current logo, the only thing I'd do for it is to drop the picture of the wedge from the lower left corner.
It's not really associated with the text logo. And I like the triangle...? It's the only thing I had absolutely no influence over (being a suggestion from Bloc), so obviously I like it best :lol:
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Have you tried to "buttonize" the text logo so that the logo by default has a certain background color? Would that be a solution for it?
I posted such examples last week and no one seemed to like them...?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on July 5th, 2011, 11:38 PM
I figured it was about time I updated my little SP style avatar dude with a current shirt :D (And yes, I only have a 'tache at the moment, the beard went last week for the funeral)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 6th, 2011, 12:03 AM
No transparent PNG uh? Would be best for my image manipulations...... :whistle:

And you could have done it BEFORE I made the new logo for the FB group..... :P

BTW, the mustache doesn't look like a mustache at first sight... Since there's no mouth, it actually looks like you're brooding. And the mustache is your mouth!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on July 6th, 2011, 12:07 AM
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No transparent PNG uh? Would be best for my image manipulations
SP Studio doesn't make transparent PNGs as far as I know.[1]
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And you could have done it BEFORE I made the new logo for the FB group
What do you think inspired me to do it, haha!
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BTW, the mustache doesn't look like a mustache at first sight... Since there's no mouth, it actually looks like you're brooding. And the mustache is your mouth!
I did play around with having a mouth on there, but the previous image didn't have a mouth IIRC, and the 'tache is still big enough you can't really see my mouth under it!
 1. In fact, I just checked and it doesn't even support PNG, it outputs to JPG. http://sp-studio.de/ is the one I use.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 6th, 2011, 12:10 AM
Quote from Arantor on July 6th, 2011, 12:07 AM
SP Studio doesn't make transparent PNGs as far as I know.[1]
 1. In fact, I just checked and it doesn't even support PNG, it outputs to JPG. http://sp-studio.de/ is the one I use.
I used this one as well, but I chose a more 'invisible' color as the background, allowing me to hide it more easily :P
Look at the version below... As you can see, the blue IS visible on you.
(I took the liberty to add a proper mouth... ::))
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And you could have done it BEFORE I made the new logo for the FB group
What do you think inspired me to do it, haha!
Obviously you're not the one who always has the Credits page open as an incentive to work on making all Wedge pages as good loking as that one :P
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I did play around with having a mouth on there, but the previous image didn't have a mouth IIRC,
Yeah but it had a beard so you could see what was what.
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and the 'tache is still big enough you can't really see my mouth under it!
Go and shave!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on July 6th, 2011, 12:19 AM
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I used this one as well, but I chose a more 'invisible' color as the background, allowing me to hide it more easily
I did wonder, but I just used the same colour I did last time, didn't realise it was a problem...
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Obviously you're not the one who always has the Credits page open as an incentive to work on making all Wedge pages as good loking as that one
I don't have the Credits page open much at all, in fact...
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Yeah but it had a beard so you could see what was what.
True enough.
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Go and shave!
I got rid of the beard, what more do you want? :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 6th, 2011, 12:50 AM
With me it's all or nothing! :P

We are the tache boys. Tache in French is both "stain" and "task". You're the task. Then who am I? Shave already ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on July 6th, 2011, 12:51 AM
Would it help if I called it a mustache (naming it in full)?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on July 6th, 2011, 02:56 AM
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Go and shave!
If it weren't for my mum, I wouldn't be shaving so often. Wears out the razors :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: snoopy-virtual on July 6th, 2011, 04:09 AM
I only shave when I need to go and meet a customer face to face.

In fact you can say how long I have been hiding in my room doing all the work via internet without going out to meet a customer by the length of my beard.  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 6th, 2011, 10:06 AM
Quote from Arantor on July 6th, 2011, 12:51 AM
Would it help if I called it a mustache (naming it in full)?
No... Only when in conjunction with 'Boys' :P

Anyway, I still have these blue pixels and I'm not moving on them :whistle:
Posted: July 6th, 2011, 08:23 AM

Okay the pic is online... (Has been for over an hour actually.)

Oddly, it's more centered on you than me now :P
Also, I moved your Wedge logo down by a few pixels.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on July 6th, 2011, 10:16 AM
Just my personal magnetism and sparkling wit, eh? :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 6th, 2011, 11:17 AM
Quote from Arantor on July 6th, 2011, 10:16 AM
Just my personal magnetism and sparkling wit, eh? :P
I have another physical reason to give but I suspect you'd kill me before I finish my sentence :niark:

(Oh, and I just didn't correctly center the pic in the original ;))
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on July 6th, 2011, 11:20 AM
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but I suspect you'd kill me before I finish my sentence
Try me, I'm a big boy, I can handle some less than pleasant comments :P I just reserve the right to repay bad comments in kind is all... ;) (Though my weight is actually down, back to where it was before I had two weeks of flying up and down the country and eating out because that's what we tend to do when we're all together)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Rustybarnacle on July 6th, 2011, 06:36 PM
Surrounded by hippies with no time to get my hair cut.  Nooooooooooo!  :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: snoopy-virtual on July 6th, 2011, 07:21 PM
Hippies? Don't think so. Look at the way I was in 1982:

(http://www.snoopyvirtualstudio.com/snoopy/villalba-1.jpg)

Just a little hippie, but not too much.  :niark:

Btw, I have changed a lot since then. My hair has the same length, but is more white now.  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 6th, 2011, 08:24 PM
I take it you weren't using SMF at the time! :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: snoopy-virtual on July 7th, 2011, 12:37 AM
I had a small Casio computer back in 82 with just 64Kb of Ram (no hard drive) working only in basic. Had to load DOS every time I turned it on using a tape recorder (no floppys) and could run only a program at a time.  :lol:

In fact the processors inside any of the synthesisers I have now are a lot more powerful than the one that small thing had.  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 7th, 2011, 12:52 AM
I started on a similar machine ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: dazed on July 7th, 2011, 01:56 AM
Either a bunch of old farts here  :lol: or everyone started young.

C-64 here also with that wonderful tape drive. I still have the 20 meg IDE drive that cost 250+US, with the card to plug into my Tandy TL2. Now that was cranking, no more floppy's.  :cool:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: snoopy-virtual on July 7th, 2011, 01:04 PM
Well I started when I was 16 and I'm going to be 55 in 2 weeks time. So I'm not old at all (I need to admit I fart a lot though)  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: dazed on July 7th, 2011, 08:15 PM
Quote from snoopy-virtual on July 7th, 2011, 01:04 PM
Well I started when I was 16 and I'm going to be 55 in 2 weeks time. So I'm not old at all (I need to admit I fart a lot though)  :eheh:
I'm not old either  :eheh: I was just poking at you in jest.

I stopped coding when I retired @50 to do some traveling in Asia where I'd never been. That was nineteen years ago. Old is a attitude thing, though some are all burned up by the the time they reach your age, that they so feel "old". I usually don't talk about age much, and this will no doubt be my last mention of it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness (Was: New revs)
Post by: Clara Listensprechen on July 10th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Quote from Arantor on October 20th, 2010, 01:24 PM
I never thought of Wedge as driving a wedge into SMF, actually. To me, it was a cunning play on words; a wedge is a different kind of simple machine to a fulcrum. It's also a more refined simple machine; simpler to use, no moving parts - it just works.
Similar:

Inclined plane (incline, plain)
rAMPED!
Slant
Full Tilt (Full Tilt Boogie Band already taken, classically)
{Lever Brothers is already taken}
Pry
Screw (don't go there)

...perhaps a different simple machine might be considered.

Wheels of progress

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 10th, 2011, 09:45 PM
Everybody loves Wedge, you know ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Clara Listensprechen on July 10th, 2011, 10:06 PM
;D 
Of course.
I would take your word for it, as I haven't talked to everybody just yet. :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 10th, 2011, 10:17 PM
It's just that I came up with the name over a year ago, love it, Pete loves it, and basically Wedge is what we do. And will remain so ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Clara Listensprechen on July 10th, 2011, 11:05 PM
I get that. If you click on the "grivitinik" you'll find that I quoted a very old post. It was a choice between responding to that post or to write a treatise on the refined distinctions between garlic sausages using different types of garlic and how much garlic to use.

For the sake of all, I think I made the better choice.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on July 10th, 2011, 11:09 PM
Nao likes garlic sausage, though!

(as for me, I can't currently recall trying it, but to be fair, I've spent virtually the entire day sat in front of a Wii playing the Lego games. Numbs the brain somewhat.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 11th, 2011, 12:19 AM
Quote from Clara Listensprechen on July 10th, 2011, 11:05 PM
I get that. If you click on the "grivitinik"
..What?
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you'll find that I quoted a very old post.
I know it's an old post, but maybe you're behind in your reading schedules...
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It was a choice between responding to that post or to write a treatise on the refined distinctions between garlic sausages using different types of garlic and how much garlic to use.
I have no idea about that, though.
I buy my garlic sausage pre-made. It's cheap and it tastes good.
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For the sake of all, I think I made the better choice.
Garlic sausage. The more you talk about it, the less time you have to eat it.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Clara Listensprechen on July 11th, 2011, 12:53 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on July 11th, 2011, 12:19 AM
Quote from Clara Listensprechen on July 10th, 2011, 11:05 PM
I get that. If you click on the "grivitinik"
..What?
Doesn't ring any bells? How about "grivitonik"?  :niark: "Grivitation"??  :whistle:
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you'll find that I quoted a very old post.
I know it's an old post, but maybe you're behind in your reading schedules...
Wanted to jump in somewhere. That looked like a good place. So did the garlic sausage.
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It was a choice between responding to that post or to write a treatise on the refined distinctions between garlic sausages using different types of garlic and how much garlic to use.
I have no idea about that, though.
I buy my garlic sausage pre-made. It's cheap and it tastes good.
Then you have cheated yourself. You don't know what garlic it is you're eating unless you  know how different garlics taste. Major categories: hardneck and softneck. Each cures differently, and they both need to be cured right. Italian Early, Italian Late, Korean Red, Elephant, our native Buffalo... big wide world of oral sensations to be had. It's the unsophisticated palate that says all garlic is just garlic. And the same can be said of onions.
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For the sake of all, I think I made the better choice.
Garlic sausage. The more you talk about it, the less time you have to eat it.
Which kind?  :P
Posted: July 11th, 2011, 12:51 AM
Quote from Arantor on July 10th, 2011, 11:09 PM
Nao likes garlic sausage, though!

(as for me, I can't currently recall trying it, but to be fair, I've spent virtually the entire day sat in front of a Wii playing the Lego games. Numbs the brain somewhat.)
Forget the sausage, then. Best chaser for that is a beer.

And that reminds me...another flavor sensation is German hardneck garlic brat with beer.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 11th, 2011, 01:00 AM
Gri's stuff? I don't read his troll shit. You'll have to define these words for me (not that I think it'd be interesting.)

Garlic sausage? It's just sausage you know... Emphasis on sausage.
My fave dishes are Vietnamese caramelized pork with eggs, and French blanquette de veau. Now we're talking.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Clara Listensprechen on July 11th, 2011, 01:11 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on July 11th, 2011, 01:00 AM
Gri's stuff? I don't read his troll shit. You'll have to define these words for me (not that I think it'd be interesting.)
Ah, that DID ring a bell. :niark: Well, if you're not interested I shall not put work into a Gri Dic. I'll just say I was referring to the part of the quote that links back to the original posting. I actually decoded Gri and happen to take some delight in the fact that I was successful. What he's been going on and on about is essentially trackback and I'm interested in the mods he's come up with in that regard. Nuff said.

After beating my head against various SMF coding walls, I'm certainly interested in your fork here.
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Garlic sausage? It's just sausage you know... Emphasis on sausage.
My fave dishes are Vietnamese caramelized pork with eggs, and French blanquette de veau. Now we're talking.
I see. Alas, sausage isn't just sausage; there's not much that a German bratwurst has in common with Italian sausage. That's like saying braunschweiger is just as good as pate foie gras. Oh, the sacrilege!  SURELY you can tell the difference between a brat and chorizo! O_O
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on July 11th, 2011, 02:06 AM
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Well, if you're not interested I shall not put work into a Gri Dic.
The problem with Gri is that he insists on using his terminology for things instead of anything else, and if you don't like his ideas, you're doomed to being trolled followed by being ignored, at least that's my take on it.

It might be worth reposting it in a form the rest of us can understand because I remember being intrigued once I got past the first layer of monkeyisms, but that I couldn't really make more sense of it than that. If nothing else, it'll make some sense out of it...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Clara Listensprechen on July 11th, 2011, 02:59 AM
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Well, if you're not interested I shall not put work into a Gri Dic.
The problem with Gri is that he insists on using his terminology for things instead of anything else, and if you don't like his ideas, you're doomed to being trolled followed by being ignored, at least that's my take on it.

It might be worth reposting it in a form the rest of us can understand because I remember being intrigued once I got past the first layer of monkeyisms, but that I couldn't really make more sense of it than that. If nothing else, it'll make some sense out of it...
Ya, making sense of Gri took a lot of work, which is why I called it "decoding". He relies heavily on metaphors, but I'm a person who got straight As in English, Lit. English isn't Gri's first language, and that's part of the difficulty. His reliance on verbal imagery is another part of the difficulty. He also wants some sort of ownership over trackback/backlink coding and so calls it Grivitation...sorta. His interest in Grivitation is also to solve the problem of preserving lines of discussion against the possibility/probability of a given forum going dark, taking the conversation with it (he's hell bent on discussion distribution across a number of forums and keeping the discussions sorted out by author).

There's more to Gri than that, but that's Gri in a nutshell, and insofar as he's quite fluent in SMF coding, I'm interested in the trackback/backlink mods he likes to explore.  Don't worry, he's busy over on my board so I don't think he'll be over to pester you guys. (keeping fingers crossed). If he wants to try out a bit of code, I'm more happy to give it a shot than youse guys have been, so...well...he's tame (for now). A "thank you" would be nice.  :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 30th, 2011, 01:02 AM
Okay... I'm not giving up on the logo.

How about something like... THIS?
It's a pure mockup (ahah, shadow is at the top because I just rotated the ship), done in five minutes. Just trying to get the feel of it.
(I did spend about an hour trying to get a good one though. It's not something I just threw in for a quick test. The logo is one of my obsessions in Wedge.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on July 30th, 2011, 01:05 AM
I know Illustrator and I'm having a hard time trying to beat the current one.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 30th, 2011, 01:08 AM
It's such a busy logo. Feels like 10 persons wanted to out their signature on it. Heck it's nearly what happened actually.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on July 30th, 2011, 02:51 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on July 30th, 2011, 01:02 AM
Okay... I'm not giving up on the logo.

How about something like... THIS?
It's a pure mockup (ahah, shadow is at the top because I just rotated the ship), done in five minutes. Just trying to get the feel of it.
(I did spend about an hour trying to get a good one though. It's not something I just threw in for a quick test. The logo is one of my obsessions in Wedge.)
At first I said "Ooh!" but then thought the shadow isn't in the right spot... maybe move it more to the right following the light source, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 30th, 2011, 08:09 AM
I said it's a mockup. If Bloc could provide us with a large version of his ship without a shadow...

So do you like the idea or not?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 30th, 2011, 09:11 AM
New mockup... A more 'representative' version.
Posted: July 30th, 2011, 09:05 AM

Other versions...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on July 30th, 2011, 09:36 AM
Looks nice to me

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=2945)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on July 30th, 2011, 09:51 AM
Yeah, I like that one too (though, interestingly I didn't actually notice the shadow was out of place to start with...)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 30th, 2011, 12:44 PM
Great!
Can I consider we can start doing a logo using that direction? :)

I'm thinking of trying out new software, maybe I'm holding back my 'creativity' by sticking to Paint Shop Pro 7. I don't know which would be best for logo creation (and an easy UI) between the 'big boys' out there like Adobe's stuff and the rest...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on July 30th, 2011, 01:44 PM
Paint Shop Pro, well like Adobe Photoshop it's not really suitable for Illustration, it's more suited to photo editing.  Use either Inkscape or Adobe Illustrator they are suitable for illustrations including logo creation.

Adobe name convention always implies well to what they do.
Posted: July 30th, 2011, 12:58 PM

Here my remastered attempt of Nao recent work.

Edit: My Attachment got screwed up, didn't preserve the alpha channel.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 30th, 2011, 01:49 PM
Wow, niiice!
How did you guess the font? (it's a win7 default but still ;))
Posted: July 30th, 2011, 01:47 PM

Btw my version was bigger too, I just reduced it here for polling purposes. But I'm not as good with drawing tools apparently ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on July 30th, 2011, 02:17 PM
Thanks. It's was an educated guess. in other threads I heard you talk about the fonts on the Windows 8 touch screen interface and you mentioned Segoe UI Light!

Adobe Illustrator has steep learning curve, one you get used to it, it's actually a very easy drawing tool to use.  All it took was two triangles and gradient at different angles and the drop shadow effect for the last 3 letter of wedge.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 30th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Very smart Eheh.

Could you attach a zipped version of your original file? Thanks!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on July 30th, 2011, 04:09 PM
Sure, "wedge.ai" is the original file (inside the zip).
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 30th, 2011, 04:35 PM
Thank you.

As you can see I'm trying to get a feel of it by putting it in the header and footer. Maybe this is a logo that's best viewed on dark backgrounds... I'll give a try to the Wedge codebase as well.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 30th, 2011, 10:28 PM
Any more feedback...?

The font may be a bit too thin in small sizes. Maybe I should use segoe ui at small sizes. Or PT Sans.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on July 30th, 2011, 11:00 PM
Ubuntu Light

I did try to do it in PT Sans but I found the spacing too narrow, if I widen it, it's won't look like PT Sans at all.  :lol:

Have a close look at the top of letter 'd'  :D
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 31st, 2011, 12:10 AM
Nice font... I like the w.
I'm trying to edit your stuff in Inkscape. Apparently your converted the font to outlines so I can't just change the font style...?

When it comes to letter spacing, the following is my favorite (still a Segoe UI Light.)
As you can see, for logos I prefer to have relatively tight font spacing. (I manually moved each of the letters.)

Is there any way to add shadows without duplicating the outlines? Illustrator seems to have a drop shadow option that is 'linked' to the parent text itself.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on July 31st, 2011, 12:56 AM
I attached the copy that uses font and not outlines.

The only way to add shadows without duplicating the outlines is the "drop shadow" effect, Effect > Stylize > Drop Shadow...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on July 31st, 2011, 11:04 AM
Wow! I really like this new concept! And yes, it's perfect on dark backgrounds!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on July 31st, 2011, 06:14 PM
I been experimenting with shadows, the one on the left uses "Drop Shadow", the middle uses duplicate outlines with "Gaussian Blur" and on the right same as the middle but demonstrating the extra flexibility that not possible with "Drop Shadow"

Soon as I resize them, on the left the shadow goes out of proportions, while the middle and the right stays in correct proportions. The reason is that "Drop Shadow" goes by pixel which is absolute, "Gaussian Blur" goes by radius which is relative to the outline.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on July 31st, 2011, 07:06 PM
Oh, I've been doing the same myself with Inkscape... I 'tried' Illustrator but I have issues with it. I don't really connect with it, at least for now. In Inkscape I was able to apply drop shadows (filters) of my choice to the font version, and best of all -- it applies in real time to text changes.
It's hard to change the letter spacing though. In both software, I have to click the text tool, click between two letters and change the spacing manually in the toolbox. In Illustrator, I can't move the text itself (or at the very least didn't get to find the feature to do so). I'll probably be going for Inkscape in the end.
Anyway, these vector program thingies... They're cool. Way more powerful than PSP7. But also way harder to use... :-/

Still haven't found the 'right' balance between beautiful and readable, for now. Looking into other fonts, but even PT Sans doesn't look as 'good' as Segoe UI Light when it comes to logo-demoing.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 1st, 2011, 09:15 AM
Here's a test with a modified object behind the text. (Playing with settings :P)
I moved the text inside the object, colorized only the first letter (as in the original logo), and changed the font to a Helvetica clone.
The best point IMO is that readability at reduced size is increased tenfold. And it still looks sexy (albeit a bit less?) in large size.
Of course it's also less original. Helvetica eh... It's like Arial, only a bit better :P
Then again, Wedge uses Arial everywhere... As I said, I made peace with it.

:edit: Also added a black version, and a version with a smaller wedge object...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 1st, 2011, 02:13 PM
And another try... This time with PT Sans.

I'm starting to get the hang of these vector drawing programs. It's the main point of my work on this logo really. I'm getting experience and all.

Still, I wouldn't mind getting some feedback... :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 1st, 2011, 02:28 PM
The one in reply 350 reminds me of a Nintendo Wii console, with the funny lower edge bracket it has.

As for the one in reply 352 I like it, more than I like r350's but I'd grown attached to the two-triangle logo rather than the one-triangle those use. It's still good looking, and I think it fits our colour scheme better like that than the earlier logos.

But that's just me.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 1st, 2011, 02:34 PM
I think the Helvetica version is better, Arial is cheap intimidation of Helvetica.

If you thought vector software was hard, try using 3D vector software such as Blender and 3DS MAX, a lot more settings involved.  :niark:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on August 1st, 2011, 05:57 PM
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Still, I wouldn't mind getting some feedback... :P
Feedback for the logo show:
(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath.png)
This one has a nice touch of .. something, maybe '70s to it. The "we" stands apart from the "dge", and it reads weird for me. We? You? Dge? Dodge? What?  :lol:

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath5.png)
Uh, no brown pie for me.

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath6.png)
Actually the large version on this works for me, but at this size it kind of gets lost in itself.

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath2.png)
(I still love this one :D)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: borg1985 on August 1st, 2011, 06:29 PM
(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath.png)
(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath6.png)
I like these two the best.  Not sure which I like more, but I really like how the first looks in the site here.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on August 1st, 2011, 06:33 PM
What would it look like if you separated the w from the edge?
(http://stackmouse.kapsi.fi/img/wedge-y.png)
(quickly gimped mockup)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 1st, 2011, 11:03 PM
Nah, I made many tries you know :)

The w being separate from the edge has to be very subtle, in order to keep some balance between the text and the logo behind it. The more detail you add, the less you'll see the logo as 'natural' in the end. I always had this problem with the old logo: it had *one* detail too many (the horizontal line on the 'we'). And it wasn't graphic enough. I started making tests with the wedge logo next to the text, but it was a bit dull. Fine for corporate use, but I'm not that dull myself.

I've made yet another attempt. It's directly in use at the top of this page. Tell me what you think, guys... (I know, the difference is barely noticeable.)

As for the Segoe UI Light logo: well, I wouldn't say it's 70s, to me it's 2010s, it's the kind of font that tends to have a growing success these days. It looks nice, clean and stylish. Microsoft had some flair when they decided to use it on their marketing material for Windows 8 really.
My problems with that logo: (1) you're never sure whether the logo behind is a ship, a paper plane or a wedge, (2) monochromatic. Too much brown. Lacks a complementary color. (3) At small sizes, the 'wedge' text is barely readable.

Right now, I think the current test logo tends to be a solution to all of these.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on August 2nd, 2011, 12:16 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 1st, 2011, 11:03 PM
Nah, I made many tries you know :)
No doubt about that, I just had to throw something out here :)
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 1st, 2011, 11:03 PM
I've made yet another attempt. It's directly in use at the top of this page. Tell me what you think, guys... (I know, the difference is barely noticeable.)
I wouldn't say barely. That really is some improvement... Definitely best so far (...of the new ones  :lol:)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Road Rash Jr. on August 2nd, 2011, 12:42 AM
I like this one #345(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg264825/#msg264825)  or the blue one on the demo page.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: (Ha)² on August 2nd, 2011, 12:44 AM
#351 is my personal favorite. I really like the W on it.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 2nd, 2011, 01:02 AM
You mean its position?
Posted: August 2nd, 2011, 12:51 AM

Something like this?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 2nd, 2011, 07:08 AM
Hello?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on August 2nd, 2011, 08:52 AM
(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath.png)


I like the font, I like the pyramid design.
I also think the 'we' being outside the design has a community connotation.

Cheers
Billy




Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 2nd, 2011, 09:09 AM
That was the idea.
Unfortunately, as I said, this (beautiful) logo has three drawbacks, which I pointed out on the previous page. If you have any solutions...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on August 2nd, 2011, 09:22 AM
I use a 3d cad prog and only fiddle with PS and Illustrator...........pretty crap at all 3 to be honest :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on August 2nd, 2011, 02:09 PM
(http://stackmouse.kapsi.fi/img/wedge-ye.png)
Another quick one... How about something like this? The color is too dark and font is wrong, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Asgard on August 2nd, 2011, 02:17 PM
I like the look of the shaded "w" helvetica logos over the shaded "we" logos, however I like the concept behind the "we" logos better. Perhaps merge the two together? Take the bold helvetica font logo and shade the "we" and then play around with placement?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on August 2nd, 2011, 04:05 PM
some crappy logo ideas

 :whistle:


(http://www.scubadivingforum.co.uk/wedgeimages/wedge1.jpg)
(http://www.scubadivingforum.co.uk/wedgeimages/wedge1black.jpg)
(http://www.scubadivingforum.co.uk/wedgeimages/wedge2.jpg)
(http://www.scubadivingforum.co.uk/wedgeimages/wedge2black.jpg)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 2nd, 2011, 07:05 PM
How about this? And that.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 2nd, 2011, 07:25 PM
It sure looks like pie...wait...the PIE is a lie. :p
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 2nd, 2011, 07:32 PM
Don't focus on the wedge, focus on the text!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on August 2nd, 2011, 08:04 PM
Maybe the wedge itself is the problem for me, because in most cases it sort of steals my attention and makes the text look somewhat... displaced.

http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath_.png this works the best for me, maybe because the text is clear and "the main attention", and the wedge on the background is, well, on the background.

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 2nd, 2011, 11:40 PM
Yeah, I think I agree with that - having the text on two different lines distracts the brain in all the wrong kinds of ways and actually puts a touch of certainty on something I'd honestly prefer to be at least a little ambiguous ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 3rd, 2011, 12:18 AM
Let me think... Something like this maybe.
Hmm... Well, 90% of all corporate logos are made of two things: a small graphical logo, and the company name in a distinctive font. I don't know about the font, I just 'like' Helvetica-style these days (hence why Arial 14pt is everywhere in Wedge itself). Here's another try with PT Sans Bold.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on August 3rd, 2011, 12:57 AM
I am no grafic designer and can't help designing, but if the logo should look like a wedge it should look more like (http://www.realcheaptools.com/i/Wedges/3_pound_steel_wedge.gif)
But that's just my idea.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Adonis on August 3rd, 2011, 04:27 AM
Something that's in the current logo (well currently in Nao's signature), but none of the latest logos -- is a uniqueness to the letters in the word. 

The one in the top banner right now adjusts the kerning, but doesn't do much else. 
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on August 3rd, 2011, 07:00 AM
Hell I ain't got nothing to do. I may as well play.  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 3rd, 2011, 08:14 AM
@Johnny> A wedge can be several things. I have no interest in the wedge as the object you 'insert into something', to me it's the 'orange wedge' -- a slice.

@Adonis> The current logo's point is EXACTLY to be blander. It's easier to reach the right 'thing' if the font isn't too distracting. Here's an example with Kaffeesatz (the font in my sig.) And no, I don't like it in that sense.

@ARG> Err... Please :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on August 3rd, 2011, 08:55 AM
How would that look with PT Sans?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 3rd, 2011, 10:26 AM
Not particularly better than the last time I posted a PT Sans test.

Though, here's one with PT Sans Italic, which I enjoy. It looks full of life.
Posted: August 3rd, 2011, 10:20 AM

And a curious one (mostly disappointing) where the letters touch each other.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dramber on August 3rd, 2011, 10:27 AM
What about having the word Wedge balanced on top of the wedge?
So far my favorite is the one currently at the top of the forums. Is there a reason, other than ascetics, for the "w" not being capitalized? I'm kind of silly that way, proper nouns that are in small caps kind of make my ass twitch.

Makes me wish I had experience with graphic design and the assorted programs for making art and logos. :)

Edit: I have changed my mind and have a new favorite. The one with PT Sans Italic looks amazing. I really like the font.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 3rd, 2011, 10:34 AM
Quote from Dramber on August 3rd, 2011, 10:27 AM
What about having the word Wedge balanced on top of the wedge?
Hmm, no.
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So far my favorite is the one currently at the top of the forums.
There's a reason I put logos in the forum header. It means that's my favorite choice, and it becomes the de facto benchmark for other logo attempts.
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Is there a reason, other than ascetics, for the "w" not being capitalized?
Nope. Just the aesthetics.
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I'm kind of silly that way, proper nouns that are in small caps kind of make my ass twitch.
A capital W with that font would make it twitch even more.
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Makes me wish I had experience with graphic design and the assorted programs for making art and logos. :)
You don't need to have experience -- I'm the living example of that, I never touched vector programs before this week. (I did use 3DS Max and Blender but (1) they're 3D, (2) I sucked HARD at them and needed them at work so let's not remind me of that too much :P)
What you need is a sense of taste that reconciles everyone's ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 3rd, 2011, 03:08 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 3rd, 2011, 10:34 AM
You don't need to have experience -- I'm the living example of that, I never touched vector programs before this week. (I did use 3DS Max and Blender but (1) they're 3D, (2) I sucked HARD at them and needed them at work so let's not remind me of that too much :P )
I agree, it's just the case of getting the hang of vector programs.  But 3D vector are an overkill for logos, unless your aiming for "intricate and fancy" rather than "simple, yet elegant" logo.  :lol:

Anyway I been experimenting with Gradient Mesh (not to be confused with Gradient Tools) and shadows (again).

(http://cj-jackson.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/settee.png)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 3rd, 2011, 03:24 PM
Saw that one yesterday on your blog :P

I'm taking a short break from the logo issue. I mean, originally I started working on the logo *to take a break from other duties*... It's only fair that I shouldn't be spending all my time on it :P I guess I got annoyed after I failed to add a subtle flare effect inside the text. (Hmm, even after turning it into a path...) I'll retry later.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on August 3rd, 2011, 03:47 PM
The PT Sans Italic from #380(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg265010/#msg265010) is my favourite so far (other than the "w" drop shadow seeming to hit the "e"... that sets my IBS off  ;))
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 3rd, 2011, 04:00 PM
Yeah, that's because in that version I'd split the w from he rest so I could color it from within the same software (as opposed to doing some PSP7 reworking). So the drop shadow was apparent between the two letters. I noticed that and when I came back to Helvetica, I joined the letters together to avoid it.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 3rd, 2011, 04:07 PM
New test... The current Helv logo + PITA font type and a new color for the w.

:edit: Replaced mini logo with that one.
Cons: Readability is slightly worse. Not that much though. The original Wedge logo had very obvious text (since it had no other graphics per se), but the new logo doesn't have the stylized 'g'.
Pros: Well, it looks more 'serious', more professional all of a sudden... While still adding the idea of a 'dynamic' project (the italics).

I like it.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on August 3rd, 2011, 04:51 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 3rd, 2011, 08:14 AM
@ARG> Err... Please :P
Lol. Of course a logo should be simple, clean and uncluttered with minimal colors and a standard font. My huge, overbearing 2 minute doodle was a sarcastic attempt to break the tension on what seems to be the tedious chore of creating a logo because so far I have not seen anything that is very impressive, in my opinion.
My real opinion on a Wedge logo would include a remake of the SMF logo. Not only would it piss them off but probably be trademark infringement as well.
Personally I think the wedge symbol itself should not be too overbearing but instead a small part of the logo. It is not really necessary for the wedge symbol to be a large part of the logo background.

 ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: (Ha)² on August 3rd, 2011, 05:04 PM
Quote from ARG on August 3rd, 2011, 04:51 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 3rd, 2011, 08:14 AM
@ARG> Err... Please :P
My real opinion on a Wedge logo would include a remake of the SMF logo. Not only would it piss them off but probably be trademark infringement as well.
This. Show them that, not only is Wedge above SMF, but it is above the law. :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 3rd, 2011, 06:10 PM
We're not above the law, but we will be ethical and measured in all that we do.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on August 3rd, 2011, 06:15 PM
What I am saying is that the wedge symbol does not need to be the majority of the background. You can have a basic logo next to the text. The text does not necessarily need to be overlaying the logo. The logo itself can be something as simple as one of these.
Of course these are just examples. The colors can be anything you want.
 ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Adonis on August 3rd, 2011, 07:20 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 3rd, 2011, 08:14 AM
@Adonis> The current logo's point is EXACTLY to be blander. It's easier to reach the right 'thing' if the font isn't too distracting. Here's an example with Kaffeesatz (the font in my sig.) And no, I don't like it in that sense.
That's what I was getting at though.  Quite a few 'big business' logos don't really have a 'thing' - it's just a unique font.

Take a look here(http://www.custombusinesslogos.com/eps_vector_sign_logos.htm) Most of them have some letter off-colour (Mobile, HBO) or a unique letter (Exxon, Dell, NOS).  Notwithstanding that a lot are custom commissioned fonts....

Those that do have a 'thing' (Walmart, Nike, BMW) it doesn't have to be fancy at all. 
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 3rd, 2011, 10:32 PM
ARG, I have no idea what this is supposed to stand for :P
Other than that, I understand you're suggesting something like #374, which I'm not super-excited about. As I said, 90% of all corporate logos use the same formula: a small symbol, and next to it the company name in a special font.
Thing is, I'm not a big fan of these. Most of the logos I see on the website Adonis mentioned fail to keep me excited. It's very rare to see a symbol that really stands by itself. The Apple and Nike symbols are some of the 'good' examples of this. They're well known, but mostly because it doesn't even say the company name next to it, and they promoted it a lot. There are other examples where a company logo is just its logo in a special font. It works well for Facebook (because of the strong color code, white on blue background, and a modified Klavika font). It doesn't work as well with Samsung for example.
We don't have the marketing power to afford a single symbol with no product/company name on it, so we'd have to go with symbol + name and settle on what most people do...
What I like in the current Wedge logo is that it focuses on the name, rather than the symbol. The symbol is only there to give more life to the name, not to represent it in whatever way.

One of the things I liked in the old header logo, was that the symbol was behind the 'w', slightly offset. It was visible and yet not the center of attention. I like that, but it's hard to reproduce in the new logo. Plus, the 'ship' logo wasn't so hot with most people here.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DoctorMalboro on August 3rd, 2011, 11:01 PM
I don't like the font... I think a hand-writting font would look great.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on August 3rd, 2011, 11:18 PM
As I stated, those are just examples. I was not suggesting that you consider using one of them.   :eheh:
A wedge is an object that forces one section into two sections or separates two sections from each other. My point here is that if one wants to use a wedge as a symbol then it should be shown as a wedge and not just a simple, out of skew triangle.
If you ask me I would put the actual wedge image to the side for a wile and try some alternate options to go along with the text. I mean, does the logo object really need to be an actual wedge?

 ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 4th, 2011, 12:12 AM
Quote from Arantor on August 3rd, 2011, 06:10 PM
We're not above the law, but we will be ethical and measured in all that we do.
retweeted by~DS~

+1 ,1 people +1’d this post

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Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 01:13 AM
Just for the kicks (Not Recommended)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 01:14 AM
Hahaha, made me laugh.

I really should give this whole logo thing a go, I think...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 4th, 2011, 09:49 AM
@DrMalboro> No, handwriting = unreadable. Even the most readable of all (like the official Noisen.com logo) aren't that great IMHO for a 'serious' software package. Well, unless you have anything to suggest.
Quote from ARG on August 3rd, 2011, 11:18 PM
A wedge is an object that forces one section into two sections or separates two sections from each other.
Not really. Well, it is, but Wedge has many meanings. This is just the original one -- its definition as a 'simple machine' after all. But to each their own: just because a wedge is a simple machine doesn't mean our logo has to be a simple machine.
I mean, in my own mind, I think of 'wedge' as an 'orange wedge', i.e. a slice. Anything that has 'the shape of a wedge'. So it's not a 'cale' as we'd say in French, but a 'quartier'. Which, amusingly (err, for me), would translate back into English as 'quarter'. So that's probably why I started calling boards and blogs 'wedges' at some point -- because they're 'quarters' for people.
Of course, being understandable only for bilingual speakers, it wasn't really that funny to begin with.

Still, my point is that I don't want to systematically use a wedge (simple machine) for a logo.
DirtRider had this strange one at some point: http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg249665/#msg249665
It's not a wedge at all. It still looks simple and nice.
Bloc made, on the page before that one, a logo where the 'w' was the start of a square root (√). Which I really like, because 'wedge' is also a mathematical symbol.

Now, if you look a bit below the page linked above, you'll find my first attempts at a 'symbol'. First, an Earth from which a *slice* was removed.

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=2550;image)

I liked it, but no feedback.
Then I made a cog.


(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=2567;image)

Again, no feedback.


Then, Bloc posted his original attempt with the wedge/ship: http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg249975/#msg249975
And it's the first thing that excited Pete.
From then on, we stayed in that direction and I lost interest progressively.
Meh.
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If you ask me I would put the actual wedge image to the side for a wile and try some alternate options to go along with the text. I mean, does the logo object really need to be an actual wedge?
Again, no :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 09:57 AM
It's not about being excited per se - more that, to me, it said what we were about by being more abstract than the original logo ideas. The others were good, but to me they seemed held back by the metaphors contained in them, the whole 'wedge' thing was too obvious, as opposed to something less absolute and more capable of being more things, greater than the sum of its parts if you will.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 4th, 2011, 10:09 AM
@Pete> Err... Well, I suppose the logic of it made sense by then. But right now I just hate that green logo :P


Oh, I forgot to say.

I have an 'idea' of a nice little symbol which would both represent Wedge as a simple machine *and* a forum (which SMF never did in its logo, eh.)

A speech bubble, where the tail is directed towards the word 'wedge', and the tail itself is a wedge coming out of the bubble. Or, alternatively, is a wedge going inside the bubble, but it's harder to make it stand as a speech bubble then.

Okay, here are some mockups... (Thank you Google Images :P)

:edit: Fixed the square one.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 10:13 AM
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@Pete> Err... Well, I suppose the logic of it made sense by then. But right now I just hate that green logo
Yeah, I'm the sort of person who habitually finds 'hidden meanings' in things. It's why I tend to overanalyse Doctor Who the way I do.
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I have an 'idea' of a nice little symbol which would both represent Wedge as a simple machine *and* a forum (which SMF never did in its logo, eh.)
The logo represents a simple machine; it's about them and their commitment to keeping it simple. I think. I think it's also related to the fact that they never planned to be just about forums.
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A speech bubble, where the tail is directed towards the word 'wedge', and the tail itself is a wedge coming out of the bubble. Or, alternatively, is a wedge going inside the bubble, but it's harder to make it stand as a speech bubble then.
Interesting idea. The problem is that it can look very generic and no amount of stylising it is going to change that fact.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 4th, 2011, 10:52 AM
Quote from Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 10:13 AM
Yeah, I'm the sort of person who habitually finds 'hidden meanings' in things. It's why I tend to overanalyse Doctor Who the way I do.
Ahah yeah.
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Interesting idea. The problem is that it can look very generic and no amount of stylising it is going to change that fact.
Well that's the point of the bubble: it represents a conversation (a forum), and it can contain anything. Well I suppose a couple of our talented artists around here will enjoy giving it a try at the very least. :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 11:03 AM
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Well that's the point of the bubble: it represents a conversation (a forum), and it can contain anything. Well I suppose a couple of our talented artists around here will enjoy giving it a try at the very least.
Sure, I got the reference from that. But when I first saw the second image, I immediately thought of the small similar icon in the Fugue icon set and wondered for a moment if it had actually been enlarged from that first.

While it provides interesting food for thought, I can't escape the feeling it will always be too generic and the stylising that indicates 'Wedge' wouldn't ever be too pronounced on it. Don't know, will have to see what the very creative people here come up with.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 12:47 PM
Here my attempt on the bubble.  The font I used was "Helvetica Neue LT Pro 75 Bold".
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 01:46 PM
Quote from Bloc on August 4th, 2011, 01:10 PM
You are right, Nao, that the logo I ended up with, was mix of many peoples output..I would recommend using JUST the letters, with some modications to make it stand out - or use a small wedge image. Using big image + text makes it too busy IMHO.
Something like this.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on August 4th, 2011, 02:12 PM
I quite like that design CJ - bit blue though  :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Thanks billy.

Here a slight redesign, space out between 'e' and 'd' and replace black with dark grey, so it stand out in dark background.

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 4th, 2011, 03:24 PM
@CJ> The font I'm using is 'Coolvetica'. It's not exactly the same as Helvetica but close enough.

As for the bubble, I was following on the conversation we had earlier -- i.e. trying out a 'symbol' for Wedge, that wouldn't have to be associated with the name itself. So, the name Wedge was never intended to be put *inside* the bubble, rather next to each (in the same direction as the trail.)
The bubble itself doesn't need to say anything. It's just... that anyone's free to add anything there.
Quote from Bloc on August 4th, 2011, 01:10 PM
Not to burst yer' bubbles lol, but using vector software, while good in itself, is still just a tool. Working in high resolutions with Photoshop have always given me the same freedom as using vector software, which I can't possibly be so creative with.
Does Photoshop give the ability to change the style of an element without undoing other elements? Like a 'personal' undo queue for all elements...
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The "wedge" I made, which you now use as a "boat" ? :)
As a ship, specifically a spaceship as it was how some people viewed it at a time. Probably because you added a Wedge Antilles picture just above the first appearance of the symbol :P
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was a 3d-lit triangular shape of a wedge(stylized) so I would not recommend using as it is now. The lighting is totally wrong(it was lit from the top originally) and it was made to be small(just above the text) and contrast with the text, not on its own. Being on its own require more detail and better shape on it.
I guess so.
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You are right, Nao, that the logo I ended up with, was mix of many peoples output..I would recommend using JUST the letters, with some modications to make it stand out - or use a small wedge image. Using big image + text makes it too busy IMHO.
Agreed, but I have to say that I still love the current header logo very much (the one with Helvetica.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Another attempt different colours, less spacing.

@Nao the Helvetica I got is something I suppose to pay for.  :niark:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 05:57 PM
At a smaller size, it's not clear if the third letter is a b or a d :/

Hmmm.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on August 4th, 2011, 06:20 PM
I am actually liking that last one CJ Jackson. Only on the lighter background though. I don't think it looks very impressive on a dark background.

 ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Quote from Arantor on August 4th, 2011, 05:57 PM
At a smaller size, it's not clear if the third letter is a b or a d :/

Hmmm.
Okay, I change the colour of the wedge, is it clear now?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 4th, 2011, 08:09 PM
This one's a bit more dynamic and metallic. Various color tests.
Posted: August 4th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Quote from CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 01:46 PM
Quote from Bloc on August 4th, 2011, 01:10 PM
You are right, Nao, that the logo I ended up with, was mix of many peoples output..I would recommend using JUST the letters, with some modications to make it stand out - or use a small wedge image. Using big image + text makes it too busy IMHO.
Something like this.
Similar to this, no...?
http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg249975/#msg249975
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 08:53 PM
Very nice Nao.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 4th, 2011, 09:10 PM
Well it looks a bit like the 'Milky Way' chocolate bar logo, come to think of it... :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 4th, 2011, 09:24 PM
Another attempt but I don't think it will shine off well on a bright background, but dark no problem.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on August 5th, 2011, 08:34 AM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 4th, 2011, 09:10 PM
Well it looks a bit like the 'Milky Way' chocolate bar logo, come to think of it... :lol:
pmsl, you are right  :lol:

CJs #414 looks really good.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 5th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Quote from billy2 on August 5th, 2011, 08:34 AM
CJs #414 looks really good.
What about "Helvetica Neue LT Pro 45 Light"?

EDIT: The great thing about the light version, it's not as often used as the standard version.  Seems to be a good compromise of Ariel and Segoe UI Light.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 6th, 2011, 11:59 AM
I don't think it has great readability. :-/

Okay, here's a logo I made a few days ago... It has a slightly curve reflection inside the text. The triangle/wedge is on the right, and it works 'well' because the text is skewed and thus it all makes it look like the Wedge text is running to the right. (Known issue: it's a bit dark overall. Adding a manually modified version.)

Other than that, err... I don't know, I still like the header logo best for now. :^^;: (Could use a few tricks though.)

Should I make a poll with all the available choices?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on August 6th, 2011, 02:00 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 6th, 2011, 11:59 AM
Should I make a poll with all the available choices?
:cool:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 6th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 6th, 2011, 11:59 AM
Other than that, err... I don't know, I still like the header logo best for now. :^^;: (Could use a few tricks though.)
Here one in "Helvetica Neue LT Pro 55 Roman" (Regular) font. Also I change the Illustrator preference and enabled "Scale Stroke & Effects" that include "Drop Shadow".

LT stand for LinoType, the current distributor of Helvetica (Non-Neue and Neue).
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 7th, 2011, 06:23 AM
Geez there are so...mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny. O.o
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 7th, 2011, 07:59 AM
Hence why I haven't compiled the list yet... :P

A 'regular' poll using the SMF system would probably not work here. I should make a post or web page with all of the items and a number, and ask for you guys to vote for your top 3 or something.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 7th, 2011, 12:12 PM
You can allow people to pick 3 in a regular poll but it'd be huuuuuuge.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 7th, 2011, 12:16 PM
Yeah but maybe a poll is a bit restrictive even so.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 7th, 2011, 12:27 PM
With so many options, there needs to be a way to shortlist some of them to cull the list to a manageable size.

Perhaps break them into groups by general style, then see which one of those is most favoured.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 7th, 2011, 12:51 PM
Well, how about you tell us your favorite logos, Pete? Your opinion is important, too :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 7th, 2011, 01:50 PM
I don't really have a favourite, to be honest. The current logo in use on wedge.org is nice, so is the older logo that Bloc worked on.

I guess a part of me really likes having the wedge shape in there, in a format visually separate from the writing, and the use of brown suits me; I tend to think of us as kind of grass-roots, earthy, that sort of thing. People of the clay, you might say.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Elvallie on August 10th, 2011, 05:50 PM
Hi, this is my first post. :)

And this is my contribution. It's made with tangram pieces, and except th square, they're all wedges in some kind. :P

I had thought to add a slogan, but it seems I forgot it: "Wedge, build your own".

Made with Inkscape and resized with GIMP. :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 10th, 2011, 06:17 PM
Hi. Welcome and thank you.
However I'm afraid this tends to break the #1 rule: readability :P

I myself am starting to get fond of the series of logos I built these days so I can't decide between the header logo, the one in my signature and the one in the footer. ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on August 14th, 2011, 12:18 PM
Yet one more? :)

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedge-trans2.png)

Actually I like this one.

The slight transparency gives some character for the text without making it stand out of place.
Posted: August 14th, 2011, 12:16 PM

Why does the text surrounding img-tags stay on the same row as the image no matter what?  :huh:

The text in editbox looks like this:In code box the img is on its own row, with one empty row before and after the tags.
Code: [Select]
Yet one more? :)

[img]ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedge-trans2.png[/img]

Actually I like this one.

The slight transparency gives some character for the text without making it stand out of place.
In code box too? What the duck?

(love the merge btw)

No matter how many rows there is between the img-tag and the text before or after it, the text is in the same row. Splitting the text rows works as normal.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on August 14th, 2011, 12:21 PM
Very hard to see clearly on iphone stackmouse
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 14th, 2011, 02:32 PM
Just for kicks, Part 2: Translations.  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 14th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Quote from stackmouse on August 14th, 2011, 12:18 PM
The slight transparency gives some character for the text without making it stand out of place.
Yeah, it's looking good I know... :P
It's not perfect though. I tried adding a gradient effect in addition to the transparency, but the result is a bit dull, especially at low resolutions.
Also, I'm not 100% happy with the wedge symbol behind it. That's why I'm giving myself some time to, uh... Grow new ideas or simply new habits. Maybe this one will stick. Or maybe I'll just go back to the old green logo.. :P
Quote
Why does the text surrounding img-tags stay on the same row as the image no matter what?  :huh:
Because I recently changed the img tag to be inline again, as opposed to a block, and forgot to remove the php code that actually removes whitespace around it to make the block look good.
Heck, at this point I don't know if it's important at all... I mean, I'm hoping to be able to convert Wedge.org to use Wedge by next month after all... (Yeah, there are plenty of Wedge.org features that will suddenly be gone, but I can always reimplement them later if I'm not too lazy...)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 15th, 2011, 01:32 PM
Another silly mockup, this time in the 'very simple' category... Don't bother with it :lol:

(Hmm yeah, the blue color should be a darker one to begin with...)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 15th, 2011, 01:37 PM
I like that. It's nice and for some reason makes me think 'old school'[1] when 88x31 banners were all the rage.
 1. Technically my reaction is neo-retro.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on August 15th, 2011, 01:59 PM
lol I thought the logo was sorted out long time back
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 15th, 2011, 06:09 PM
Quote from DirtRider on August 15th, 2011, 01:59 PM
lol I thought the logo was sorted out long time back
It came back to haunt us. :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 15th, 2011, 07:14 PM
Okay, here a different concept, just styled lines.

EDIT: Remind me of Pizza Huts :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on August 15th, 2011, 08:20 PM
Oh, that's pretty nice, but I think it lacks something. How about the above with color style like in this:
(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3017;image)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 15th, 2011, 09:35 PM
Interesting one, CJ. I'd never have the balls to make a 'dead simple' logo like this! I always need to add more... Meh!
It would probably gain to put less emphasis on the top of the logo, by turning the shape into more of a wedge than a triangle. I think. Having the 'd' cut through the line, and the top-left corner be a bit lower and to the left.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 15th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Cheers  :) ,

Something like this, Nao.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 15th, 2011, 10:32 PM
Hmmm yeah, but it doesn't look as good. Ah, bugger...
Maybe with the right corner of the triangle put a bit lower, and the top left corner slightly higher...? Dunno.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 15th, 2011, 11:10 PM
How about this one?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 16th, 2011, 07:00 AM
@CJ> Could you try a Stylize>Round Corners (something around 10pt) on it? I don't know if it'll work artistically but... I'd just like to try for something more 'human-made', and not too 'Nike' though.

@ncvettes> With all the love in the world to everyone who offered a logo and whom I didn't "call back": please, before you submit an idea, ask yourself whether you'd be willing to use your logo in the header/footer of your own site... :^^;:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 16th, 2011, 09:23 AM
Ok, I actually used brazier curve rather than round corners, I get more control that way.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 16th, 2011, 09:52 AM
Hmm that's possibly better, but what about without the top section... Let's try this way.....
(And again-- bit too crowded maybe.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 16th, 2011, 10:19 AM
Here is it, I think it's look better now.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 16th, 2011, 04:53 PM
Those last two are nice. Though I kind of liked the brown colour.

If only I had an idea I'd give logo-making a try myself.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 16th, 2011, 05:00 PM
Yeah, it's f'ing hard to come up with something that look cool, professional and is readable at any size and background color...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 16th, 2011, 05:01 PM
I'm comfortable with a one-size-fits-all approach personally. You can't please all of the people all of the time, etc.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 16th, 2011, 05:05 PM
Lets reword it. I am not 100% happy with any of the logos ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 17th, 2011, 07:41 AM
Okay. So what should I do? If I find a logo is not up to my standards, should I let you keep it in that way, and make you waste more time working on more mockups?

Ever heard about constructive criticism?

And what has this got to do with smf anyway?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 17th, 2011, 11:02 AM
Apparently being rude to people is either what problem SMF have with us, or more broadly the same problem that SMF has itself. It isn't clear which it is.

FWIW, the commentary was meant sincerely rather than rudely.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 17th, 2011, 11:16 AM
It certainly was.

I do appreciate any contributions, but people have got to admit they're not all on the same level of professionalism. Some contributions are only meant as jokes, some are meant as truthful suggestions and I don't know how to kindly refuse them, so it hurts even more to see more attempts 'in the same vein'. I thought I'd go ahead and try to help people save time by following the guidelines that were built progressively in this topic.

Apparently, it's not enough. I guess it comes down to self-esteem issues, for which I cannot help. My job here is to try and get the best possible logo. I'm not a great designer, and I never denied it. That's why the Wedge community has an opportunity to step up and provide some of their ideas where they can outdo my current skill set. I've seen some fantastic logo offers from Bloc and recently CJ Jackson, and eventually I'm positive we'll have a perfect logo for Wedge (if we don't already have -- sometimes it takes time to get used to something that's not in your usual 'play field'.) And I heartily encourage anyone to make offers. But I'm absolutely sincere when I think ncvettes's logo, while attempting new things, would never be used by himself on his own site. If what he offered was just a mockup (i.e. "I don't have any design skills, but I'm trying some ideas, here's one of them, what do you think?"), he should have said it. Unfortunately, he only said "Here's one".

So, yeah, my comment may not be inspiring. But it was not meant to be. It didn't mean to hurt, either, because it was really written with love for all of the offers that were made here.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on August 17th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Quote from ~DS~ on August 15th, 2011, 06:09 PM
Quote from DirtRider on August 15th, 2011, 01:59 PM
lol I thought the logo was sorted out long time back
It came back to haunt us. :P
Lol I see that, I will give it another go but right now I am a bit tired up in a project
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 17th, 2011, 01:29 PM
You don't have to feel forced to... Only if you have inspiration!
And read the last couple of pages for guidelines ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on August 17th, 2011, 03:19 PM
lol I am inspired and have started thinking about it  :)
Posted: August 17th, 2011, 02:33 PM

Just something I was thinking about, need a lot of refinement but I did not want to spend too much time on a no go one  :whistle:

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 17th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Thanks, but you didn't read the guidelines did you? :whistle:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on August 17th, 2011, 05:52 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on August 17th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Thanks, but you didn't read the guidelines did you? :whistle:
lol you noticed  :eheh: Ok when I get a bit more time let me look into it more. I just had a bit of spare time so I found myself just doing that  :whistle:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 17th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Replace Simple Math with "We Don't do Evil". :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 17th, 2011, 06:05 PM
That would put us in the same group as Google, not a comparison I'm favourable to, seeing how they're very firmly bending the definition of evil...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 17th, 2011, 06:08 PM
Quote from Arantor on August 17th, 2011, 06:05 PM
That would put us in the same group as Google, not a comparison I'm favourable to, seeing how they're very firmly bending the definition of evil...
Yeah, I read your blog. :p
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 17th, 2011, 06:12 PM
The thing is, not only did a bunch of people consider that that was a good idea, but the same bunch of people then convinced more people to build it, and then to convince everyone else that somehow tying all your data into their search engine isn't at least a little evil - and no-one questioned this at the time?! >_<
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 17th, 2011, 08:11 PM
I pretty much agree with Bloc here...
I'd just like for Google or Facebook to acknowledge people who *don't* want to mix two of their lives together. Allow for multiple accounts (even two would be a plus.) Allow for accounts that use a nickname -- add a checkbox where we can say, "this is a nickname". Heck, force us to add a real name if you want, but don't force us to show it. (I think Google+ does that, so that's cool.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: rawlogic on August 24th, 2011, 12:15 AM
So far, my favorites are #414 and #441, both from CJ.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Powerbob on August 24th, 2011, 10:12 AM
Quote from billy2 on August 14th, 2011, 12:21 PM
Very hard to see clearly on iphone stackmouse
Looks great on my iphone  :cool:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 24th, 2011, 01:01 PM
Revised version of #451, alter the tip slightly, so it's doesn't look like a staple from a stapler.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on August 24th, 2011, 02:06 PM
Quote from Powerbob on August 24th, 2011, 10:12 AM
Quote from billy2 on August 14th, 2011, 12:21 PM
Very hard to see clearly on iphone stackmouse
Looks great on my iphone  :cool:
You have younger eyes than I ;)

edited to say - wonder what other sh*te I can post - to get to 100  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Powerbob on August 24th, 2011, 08:10 PM

Looks great on my iphone  :cool:[/quote]You have younger eyes than I ;)

edited to say - wonder what other sh*te I can post - to get to 100  :eheh:[/quote]I'm sure you will find something :niark:

PS at 61 YY I must be getting on for the oldest member here :whistle:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 24th, 2011, 08:14 PM
Quote from Powerbob on August 24th, 2011, 08:10 PM
PS at 61 YY I must be getting on for the oldest member here :whistle:
Not even close :niark:

As for the logo... Well, I still like CJ's monochromatic implementation, but it freakin' won't work on dark backgrounds...
Plus, readability isn't at its best I'd reckon.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 24th, 2011, 10:21 PM
The great thing about simple logo is that it's doesn't have to come as one colour.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 24th, 2011, 10:41 PM
I boldly went to Ubuntu.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 24th, 2011, 11:35 PM
I see your point Chris, it's just that... I'm not in the mood for logos these days. I completely lack inspiration, and when I have no artistic feeling in me, I can't judge others' works either...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 28th, 2011, 09:45 PM
Just for kicks part 3, based on 2012, terrible I know!  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 28th, 2011, 09:49 PM
It's clearly not based on 2012, after all, there's no cartoon character giving head if you squint at it.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 28th, 2011, 09:51 PM
Quote from Arantor on August 28th, 2011, 09:49 PM
It's clearly not based on 2012, after all, there's no cartoon character giving head if you squint at it.
Too much information, hahahaha  :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 28th, 2011, 09:54 PM
I didn't tell you which cartoon character it was, especially since the character in question is 'technically' a minor :o
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 28th, 2011, 10:02 PM
I read it from a newspaper, the minor was Lisa Simpson.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 28th, 2011, 10:06 PM
NOW who's posting too much information :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on August 28th, 2011, 10:10 PM
In the newspaper it mentions someone describing the 2012 logo as Lisa Simpson sucking a...... you don't want to know!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 28th, 2011, 10:46 PM
2012... Olympics?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on August 28th, 2011, 11:01 PM
Yeah, the 2012 Olympics logo.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Jorin on September 8th, 2011, 05:52 PM
What about something like this?

At first I wrote "a better smf experience".  :whistle:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 8th, 2011, 05:57 PM
Quote
At first I wrote "a better smf experience"
:lol:

It's clean, and has a certain minimalist elegance about it that some of the other logos haven't, but I've personally grown fond of actually having the |> type shape in there somewhere.

It's a nice logo, but I think it's lacking something. The logos that are purely typographical (Microsoft for example) are distinctive in other ways like using a unique font, or that odd looking chip out of the O.[1]
 1. Somehow that explains so much, that there are bits "intentionally missing" and otherwise appear to be broken. :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Jorin on September 8th, 2011, 06:08 PM
No problem. Just a little logo I made in about 5 minutes. Seems I got the logo madness myself.  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 8th, 2011, 06:14 PM
Logo madness is good :) And me, I'm just a miserable critic, not having attempted a logo myself yet ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 8th, 2011, 06:31 PM
A few of my recent attempts... I didn't think they were worthy of being posted, but what the hell -- you don't have to comment anyway :P
(First one is best viewed on a darker background, obviously...)
:edit: Added a darker background on it.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on September 8th, 2011, 06:58 PM
I like 1st and 2nd. 2nd I think it's good on dark background..
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on September 8th, 2011, 10:32 PM
Quote from MultiformeIngegno on September 8th, 2011, 06:58 PM
I like 1st and 2nd. 2nd I think it's good on dark background..
+1, although I really dig the first one.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 8th, 2011, 11:48 PM
I think I came up with one that should work on all background.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 9th, 2011, 12:36 AM
It still reminds me of Nike at this point. :^^;:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 9th, 2011, 01:06 AM
Uploaded the first icon (with a stronger drop shadow) to the website header. What do you think...? Possibly a bit dull, but looks very professional.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 9th, 2011, 01:14 AM
I don't think it's dull at all, I like it a lot.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Asgard on September 9th, 2011, 01:17 AM
I like it Nao!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 9th, 2011, 01:35 AM
I been experimenting with 'Exclude' filters, see how it goes.

Edit: the header looks very nice actually.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on September 9th, 2011, 01:39 AM
Why does it remind me of an ace of spades? :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 9th, 2011, 01:40 AM
THIS kind of Ace of Spades :lol:

Motörhead - Ace of Spades - Songsmith Version(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg0l7f25bhU#)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 9th, 2011, 01:50 AM
It's does look a bit like ace of spades! :lol:

Here another version, does it look familiar now Nao?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on September 9th, 2011, 06:18 AM
Quote from Arantor on September 9th, 2011, 01:40 AM
THIS kind of Ace of Spades :lol:
The playing card  8-)

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 10th, 2011, 09:06 AM
Chris, can you try working from the same base as I do? I think we're onto something :P

I'm attaching it here. Play with the text's Drop Shadow settings (it's at 50% here but it gives better results at small sizes when setting it to 100%, for instance.)

Readability isn't great here, but you get to play with font colors, too!

PS: if you can't get the font to be like below, make sure 'PT Sans' is installed.
Posted: September 9th, 2011, 05:13 PM

Another one with the 'w' letter split. (Ungrouped)
Posted: September 9th, 2011, 05:36 PM

Or that...
Posted: September 10th, 2011, 08:56 AM

The last ones work well on dark backgrounds, too.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: baggeroli on September 10th, 2011, 07:44 PM
I think you're on the wrong path here. This little wedge shaped block is totally redundant, no need to illustrate the word "wedge" with a wedge. You're a coder, what do you do with redundant code? You cut it out.

I don't like the sans-serif "g" in this logo, I think the serif "g" would be much better.

Now colors appreciation is very personal I'm sure, but the blueish/brownish doesn't strike me as a particularly nice color combination.

I think you have to go back to Bloc's original logo's, with the sub-credo and take it from there. It's simple, it's edgy, it pops out more, it's instantly recognizable, it's all you want from a good logo IMO. Just loose the period after "really". Line up the top of the g to the top of the right e. Maybe make the g the same color as the right e (only the w slightly different). For very small versions you just take out the sub-credo.

Just my two cents FWIW.


(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=2607;image)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 10th, 2011, 08:02 PM
For the record, I like the wedge itself...[1]

Much as SMF has its own name trademarked as well as its logo, and they're used separately and independently, I'd like the option to do that.
 1. So it's at least partly my fault!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 10th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Ok, Nao the thing with 'Drop Shadow' is that it's focuses on the whole vectors, which can be problem while scaling from large to small, part of the shadow that was invisible while large, becomes visible while small.

What I did is copy the word wedge twice, one black, one white, black at the back, outline them, converted them into compound, group them, then subtract leaving the renaming black that I use for shadows (or cutting out the bits I don't need) and then I applied Gaussian Blur.  :)

EDIT: I added another version that does not have the Blur.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2011, 01:27 PM
Quote from baggeroli on September 10th, 2011, 07:44 PM
I think you're on the wrong path here.
I don't...
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This little wedge shaped block is totally redundant, no need to illustrate the word "wedge" with a wedge. You're a coder, what do you do with redundant code? You cut it out.
No, it's not the same.
Redundancy only comes if it's the same medium. There's a wedge word that says what the software is called, and a wedge shape to represent it, to symbolize it. Only, (1) not everyone speaks perfect English and knows what 'wedge' means, so it's important for me to have something that carries the idea graphically, (2) the point has always been to be able to show either the full logo, or only one part of it (the text, or the shape), separately.
For instance, what do you do with the favicon if you don't have any graphical representation? I tried with a 'we' icon, and it didn't look fantastic. It's barely readable, for starters...

When it comes to the text itself, I'd like to have it as simple as possible. At best, it should have two distinctive features. What never clicked with me in Bloc's logo, as good as it is, is that it has three distinctive figures -- the very specific font (Kaffesaltz, whatever the name), the horizontal line on the 'we', and the missing bottom on the 'g'. Three is too many.
As Pete said, the Microsoft logo works by itself, and it has only two distinctive features: the font, and the small bit of text that was removed from the first 'o'.
Some logos are too dull. For instance, the 'github' logo relies entirely on its distinctive font, nothing else. The Noisen logo has two distinctive features: the very peculiar font, and the color of the final 'n', that makes the 'noise' stand out from the rest. Heck, I made this logo in five minutes and never felt the need to change it -- it always was perfect in my mind.

Now, Noisen wasn't really a brand per se, just a hobby of mine. So it didn't really need a shape to represent it. It may not ALWAYS need one in any case. But I felt Wedge, because of its multiple meanings, could use the wedge shape in addition to it. But it has to be able to stand on its own, recognizable, even when removing the shape -- or only keeping the shape.

Wedge, the software itself, in its default theme, shows the shape alone, in the footer. It has no links or anything, just the shape. It's like a signature. It doesn't draw attention away, when anything saying 'Wedge' in a logo would do just that. I wanted a shape to strenghten brand recognition. It may be a mistake, but it's what I envision with it all.
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I don't like the sans-serif "g" in this logo, I think the serif "g" would be much better.
Serif is too detailed. It only works on logos with no distinctive features whatsover -- and then it's dull.
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Now colors appreciation is very personal I'm sure, but the blueish/brownish doesn't strike me as a particularly nice color combination.
Blue and brown are neutral colors in all cultures. We've already discussed how red might be offensive to some cultures. Even I, without reading about it, felt that way. Red is a strong color, it could even argued that it's another distinctive feature (so that would make four just for Bloc's logo...)

Oh, and Bjorn -- don't be annoyed by the shape. I actually always loved your shape and always wanted to use it. The shape right now is a bit different because when you never attached (AFAIK) a fullsize version so CJ had to remake it from scratch. I added the secondary color because I felt it would help make it recognizable even at very small sizes.

Believe me -- everything I did on that stupid logo was not by accident. It's all thought out. It's overthought. And because of the overthinking, I always encouraged others to give me their own variations on my logos, adding a little bit of 'weirdness' or just randomness to it. I'd still like to thank you and CJJ (and everyone else really) for your suggestions, your different views on the logo.
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I think you have to go back to Bloc's original logo's, with the sub-credo and take it from there.
The 'sub-credo' will probably come back at some point, but I removed it because I felt it was a bit inappropriate to advertise Wedge against SMF (even by just recognizing the legacy, it somehow strengthens the idea that it's "better than it"), when we simply don't have any download on offer.
So... It'll come back. But only when I feel confident enough to add it back.

Oh, and of course, as always the rule is that there's no rule. If you like a logo better than another and you want to give Wedge some publicity, just save the logo and put it into your signature. Chances are you may even get others to reuse it and potentially have it become the new official logo.
Posted: September 11th, 2011, 01:25 PM
Quote from CJ Jackson on September 10th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Ok, Nao the thing with 'Drop Shadow' is that it's focuses on the whole vectors, which can be problem while scaling from large to small, part of the shadow that was invisible while large, becomes visible while small.
I don't see what you mean. For what it's worth, my reduced logos are much more readable than the example you just posted...? Precisely because the shadow surrounds all of the characters, rather than just the bottom left or whatever...
It may work better on a dark background, but not on a white background. :^^;:

:edit: Adding the current logo here for archival purposes, because I'll be replacing it in a minute.

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedge-trans3.png)

:edit: Not entirely happy with the logo in the header but I have to go IRL -- be back in a couple of hours at the worst.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 11th, 2011, 02:08 PM
Ok, went back to drop shadow, trying different shades of blue.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2011, 02:44 PM
Pretty good variation :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 11th, 2011, 03:42 PM
Quote from Bloc on September 11th, 2011, 02:53 PM
A wedge shape is ok I guess, but it has to be more recognisable, now its just a pyramid(ish) shape. A real wedge is more flat...
Something like this.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Cassiel on September 11th, 2011, 07:07 PM
If you're going to have a more flat shape then it may be worth it to have it "underline" the 'we' part of wedge, Chris. Makes it seem like the project is more of a community-centered effort. ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2011, 08:13 PM
Quote from Bloc on September 11th, 2011, 02:53 PM
A wedge shape is ok I guess, but it has to be more recognisable, now its just a pyramid(ish) shape.
Well, it's not the function, it's what it inspires you... :P
If you see a pyramid in it, is it bad? No, a pyramid means something grand built to last for millennia. You see a spaceship? That's because Wedge explores strange new webs, to seek out newbies and new communities. You see a wedge? That's your problem :P
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A real wedge is more flat, for starters, and might even has a head, to bang the hammer on lol.
A real wedge isn't exactly very sexy :P
The only way it can 'work' is by using a wedge's shadow to extrude part of the text. But this wasn't very well accepted in this topic, so I gave up on the idea.
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But Nao, what you said about the credo or subtext on that logo, "simple math, really"..its not really against SMF is it? More like "count the features on this software and do the math". IMHO it was perfect - which is why I used it too.
Sure, it's our own personal slogan -- 'simple math'. The 'really' was just put there because we couldn't find an adverb that started in 'F'... :P Still, after all the recent (and not so recent) clashes with the SMF team, I'm not exactly eager to have ANYTHING in Wedge that looks like it's a stab at SMF.

And this allows me to discuss something you mentioned recently. Yes, we're not in touch with them, yes, we have problems with several of its members. But we're not fighting SMF, we're not fighting the SMF community, and we're not fighting the SMF team itself -- we're fighting back for what we received back in the summer of 2010. Anyone who was NOT involved in our issues has no reasons to feel concerned by our issues with the SMF team. I don't know how else to say it...! 'SMF team' is just a convenient term to describe those we had problems with.
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On the name itself..Wedge..wedge against what? I think that is probably more a reference to Simple machines more than anything else. Its a "simple machine" in itself, which signals more than a passing relationship with SMF.
Yes.
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About my logo..maybe the wedged "e" was too much.
I think it was fine. The font wasn't. Don't get me wrong, I love that font -- I wouldn't have built my first logo on it otherwise. But it just doesn't apply to 'wedge' well. Its 'g' is too strong, too weighted, which is probably why you unconsciously trimmed it.
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The g is really just an embellishment though and doesn't really say anything. Use a different font and it migth have a g that goes the other way. In that sense the wedged "e" is the REAL signal - not the g.
Agreed.
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About the fonttype, lol, that was your choice actually, back then at least.
And I stand by my choice... But I simply decided it wasn't as professional as I wanted it to look ;)
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It gives a bit laidback feel to the software, wheres the current font signals a office type of software, very straight and very respectable. Do Wedge want to be respectable? Certainly?
Not even close. Wedge is me and Pete -- it's not a 'business'. But it still doesn't mean it shouldn't be used by businesses and serious websites. What's that saying already..? Do everything seriously but don't take yourself seriously? Something like that...
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Is the current font something that people would not mistake for general text? Umm, I fear it would. I never use plain fonts for logos..well, if I do, I'll add something.
And that little something is what makes the difference.

Okay, so I tried to put CJ's logo online earlier, and it didn't work at all on the brownish background, so I gave up on that, tried other variations, gave up again, then changed the font to a light Helvetica again, and to improve readability I re-inserted it into the wedge shape... I've put it in the header. Doesn't look fantastic, but at least it doesn't distract too much.
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These things are not what you should decide first - that would be the concept. Then you can be technical.
I guess so. But what happens when you can't get the concept to work :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2011, 08:54 PM
I'd love that.
Get better soon! :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 11th, 2011, 11:35 PM
Modified derivative of Arial, I call it Arial Light, not sure if it better or worse, I let you be the judge!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron on September 12th, 2011, 12:14 AM
Quote from Nao on September 11th, 2011, 08:13 PM
Sure, it's our own personal slogan -- 'simple math'. The 'really' was just put there because we couldn't find an adverb that started in 'F'... :P Still, after all the recent (and not so recent) clashes with the SMF team, I'm not exactly eager to have ANYTHING in Wedge that looks like it's a stab at SMF.
'Frankly'? :P

I like CJ's minimalistic logo a few pages back a lot, btw.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 12th, 2011, 07:49 AM
Eheh.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 12:26 AM
Had some fun, err... Destructuring the logo.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 13th, 2011, 12:31 AM
Not so hot on the font, personally, other than that, that's a keeper, IMO.

From my perspective, the font seems too thin and spindly to me, don't know why. I do prefer fatter fonts, personally.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 12:40 AM
The font is the Apple corporate font actually :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 13th, 2011, 12:45 AM
*shrug* I like a number of things about Apple, I dislike others. Their choice of corporate font might be admirable generally, but I'm not sure it's suited to logo making :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 13th, 2011, 12:47 AM
Their Garamond is pretty kickass.

(http://puu.sh/5y6w.png)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 12:50 AM
The good thing here is that the magic of logo positioning makes it possible to change the font without any impact on the abstract logo ;)

Looking forward to feedback from Bjorn and CJ, too.

Norodo -- I never liked Garamond. Too busy a font for me ;)
Heck, even the Firefox font works better.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 13th, 2011, 12:55 AM
We can't all enjoy the same things. :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 13th, 2011, 01:00 AM
Garamond's nice for elegant things, but I'm the kind of person that likes bold and straightforward, not fancy ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 08:35 AM
Okay no other opinions on the latest logo...? Please :^^;:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on September 13th, 2011, 10:26 AM
Looking through all these logos has made me all wedged out so I really don't think much more that I could offer would make an impact to all of this. I just don't seem to feel this one so working on it would most likely be a wast of all our time.  >:(
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 13th, 2011, 11:04 AM
Look like stepping stones!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 11:27 AM
I really want a logo, in the sense that we have a small abstract image that can stand for the project.
It's like a Rorschach picture, you don't need to say what it stands for, it can create images of its own. Well, at least for me. Just like the 'ship' logo made me think of a spaceship and made others think of a pyramid, while it could also stand for a wedge...

Anyway. Here's another try with the logo resized to match the font size. As you can see, I played with the two pieces of the shape to give another result.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 13th, 2011, 11:30 AM
Like that the two parts of the logo look disjointed (the blue should be lower down and to the left), IMO. But it looks pretty good though.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 11:41 AM
It looks too generic when not disjointed, and I wanted to have the feeling of a puzzle game being assembled.

Let's put the shape aside for now and concentrate on the font.
Here's a selection from the ones I like most (or I feel you'll like most, for some.)

To be compared with

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3161;image)



(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3162;image)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 13th, 2011, 11:47 AM
I like all of those but in terms of pure preference, meta15/7[1] followed by myriadbold15/7, then vetica15/7, then metar15/7 and lastly lib15/7.

I grew up in a house where stocky build meant 'solid' rather than 'chunky' or 'overweight' and I suspect that's where my preference for solid rather than svelte comes from...
 1. In case of doubt, meta is the one directly before myriadbold, as opposed to metar which is the one before that.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 01:15 PM
Mine: myriad (first one), vetica. Then I find myriadbold acceptable and the rest leaves me relatively cold.
Posted: September 13th, 2011, 12:14 PM

Don't bother with the font, I tried with Tahoma (lol) and didn't think of resetting the font before saving. I'm really thinking of either Helvetica or Myriad for it anyway. I also forgot to remove the slogan for the small version.

Here's as far as I can go when trying to (1) have a professional logo, (2) give a hint of an actual wedge. I had to play with rescaling and I'm not sure it's best... But I like the end result.

The favicon, though, is a bit dull. Dunno if it'd been better with any other shape anyway...!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 13th, 2011, 01:17 PM
I really like that combination :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 01:21 PM
It lacks originality, though... And the wedge (i.e. the wedge mask) is a bit too subtle. It should be a tad wider.
I think I preferred the earlier version with the very small blue triangle, maybe I can find a good compromise between the two.

I guess at this point I can also ask for everyone else's opinions on the shape. I can attach the svg or ai version if you want.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 01:40 PM
Back to Coolvetica... Here's a version where the wedge actually broke the mould (:P), and the right side of the shape is now aligned with the left slope of the 'w' in 'wedge'.
Posted: September 13th, 2011, 01:34 PM

Put it into the header. I change the text opacity to 50% because I'm a wuss and 80% was already too much for me... :lol: (Probably 65 or 70% would be best.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 13th, 2011, 01:43 PM
Avenir is a decent Helvetica alternative if you want to look a bit different than every corporation ever.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 02:28 PM
Not a big fan of Frutiger's fonts myself (even though he used to live next door to me... Well, before I was born of course :P). I'm more of the Matteson school.
Anyway-- details later, now I'd like to know how everyone feels about the generic idea.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 13th, 2011, 02:39 PM
Somehow I like the logo combination less, it looks there as though it's misaligned somehow.[1]
 1. And this is why I'm not a designer.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 13th, 2011, 04:43 PM
Try Myriad Semi-bold  :D
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on September 13th, 2011, 04:59 PM
Quote from Nao on September 13th, 2011, 01:40 PM
...............................
This I like  :cool:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on September 13th, 2011, 05:18 PM
I really like this latest one Nao, and with the more transparent font (as per the page head) if I'm honest.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 06:59 PM
Quote from spoogs on September 13th, 2011, 04:59 PM
Quote from Nao on September 13th, 2011, 01:40 PM
...............................
This I like  :cool:
What?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on September 13th, 2011, 07:04 PM
He linked to the latest logo.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 13th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Quote from live627 on September 13th, 2011, 07:04 PM
He linked to the latest logo.
Yet, the link doesn't have logos in it, no?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on September 13th, 2011, 07:17 PM
Quote from ~DS~ on September 13th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Quote from live627 on September 13th, 2011, 07:04 PM
He linked to the latest logo.
Yet, the link doesn't have logos in it, no?
Er, spoogs' quote links to the latest logo http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg267326/#msg267326
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 13th, 2011, 07:22 PM
Quote from live627 on September 13th, 2011, 07:17 PM
Quote from ~DS~ on September 13th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Quote from live627 on September 13th, 2011, 07:04 PM
He linked to the latest logo.
Yet, the link doesn't have logos in it, no?
Er, spoogs' quote links to the latest logo http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg267326/#msg267326
I swear the logo wasn't there. :p

Still the quote wasn't in the quote post unless it's edited by Nao. :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 07:27 PM
All right.

Do you guys prefer the skewed or straight-square version? Regardless of the font etc.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on September 13th, 2011, 08:43 PM
I probably should have been a little clearer but as live pointed I was talking about the attachment to the post.

I prefer the skewed version.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 13th, 2011, 08:59 PM
Quote from spoogs on September 13th, 2011, 08:43 PM
I prefer the skewed version.
+1
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 09:50 PM
Just trying another.

:edit: nope, the text is too dark... It's either black or white, really.
The slogan works well, though. I used it a few months ago and then forgot about it.
I like that it actually says what Wedge does to non-SMF users, i.e. people who didn't follow our history.

:edit: Forgot to say I also made the logo slightly brighter. I like these colors a bit better but I'd rather know how to actually change the colors without adding a stylize effect... :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on September 13th, 2011, 10:41 PM
I have never seen a logo topic span 38 pages before.  :eheh:

I kind of like Bloc's concept.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 13th, 2011, 11:11 PM
I really like the general idea of the WeDGE one. :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 11:14 PM
Bjorn, it's nicely done but I did a similar design last year, a bit busier but it didn't excite anyone. :-/

http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg249671/#msg249671
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 13th, 2011, 11:29 PM
I think the colours are mostly open to interpretation, however I suspect I'm part of the reason for the focus on browns; I said before that I like deep rich brown colours. I like the colour anyway, but I also happen to think it's appropriate for us: it's strong, rich and earthy - solid and no-nonsense, which is really what I think we're like as a project and as people given half a chance.

Blue then just comes up at the natural complement (I know orange is the natural complement to blue but somehow the blue/brown combination has worked fairly well IMO)


Personally, I'd be all set with some of the examples posted especially in the last day or so using the blue/brown semi-abstract shapes, but I'm certainly not going to stand in the way of people trying out things.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2011, 11:49 PM
I also like brown a lot... So it's a shared taste. I usually associate it with green khaki though, and this blue thing was mostly an homage to Bloc's original ship design. (It was too dark compared to his own blue though.)
And it happened to work nicely... So I didn't even try the khaki variant.

Trying out is good. However at the current point I don't know if I'm not going to go crazy if we start from scratch again... :P

I've updated the header with the 'final' logo, i.e. what I'd *personally* like to settle on. I've tried so many variations, my pic file now weighs 5MB (!!!), when it was at 250KB 24 hours ago... The logo I see now makes me at least go, "wow, this looks like a professional product". I'm only asking for that at this point... :^^;:

Time for bed. Can't believe I spent yet another day on the logo!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 12:05 AM
BTW Bjorn, I'm seriously waiting for our feedback on the Skeleton topic... ;)

I'll sleep over the logo thing. If you feel like it, can you try seeing what it gives when trying to do a circle with a wedge like you did, but the wedge is thinner and penetrates the entire width of the circle? And possibly using the same orientation as on my square logo ;)

PS: Coolvetica works wonder in full size. Not so much in small size like in the footer here... I dunno.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on September 14th, 2011, 12:56 AM
So far I like the last one from Bloc and nice-scewed3 from Nao.
Looking a bit longer to them I found the full circle in the logo by Bloc a bit less oké and the logo by Nao a bit to "squarisch".
I felt combining in some way would do.
I am not great with grafics en only have Windows Paint on this computer, so only a raw mockup to get an idea.
It's up to others to make something out of it.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 07:48 AM
You like nice-skewed in particular or my latest logos in general, like the header one? :whistle:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on September 14th, 2011, 08:52 AM
 :whistle:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 09:18 AM
Does this add anything to the current header logo? :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on September 14th, 2011, 09:19 AM
and
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on September 14th, 2011, 09:39 AM
Did the hydraulic press fail a bit early? :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on September 14th, 2011, 11:03 AM
This is why I say I am out of the running with this one as I really don't get it  :hmm:

I mean what is wrong with this one

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedge-sqr.png)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Jorin on September 14th, 2011, 11:33 AM
I like it, but the "wedge"-letters should have the 3D effect too.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 11:38 AM
They have a gradient, and maybe it's even too much.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 14th, 2011, 02:40 PM
wondering if this shape appeals to you as a logo  :hmm:

(http://www.scubadivingforum.co.uk/wedgeimages/wedgeCV10.jpg)

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Jorin on September 14th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Looks like a "Karnevalskappe"!  :D
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 14th, 2011, 03:27 PM
you can draw similies from just about every shape.
I was looking at it and seeing a bent wedge to the shape of a tick/check - that kind of amused me.
 :P

Oh look - a cats arse when its lying down > Oo

 :niark:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 03:37 PM
I'd rather have you guys clearly state you don't like the latest icons, instead of offering new ones... That'd be clearer at least. (And how come did we spend months without a single suggestion, and suddenly there are plenty when I'm settled on the logo? :whistle:)

:edit: Comparing...

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedge-sqr.png)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 14th, 2011, 03:39 PM
I saw it as a scythe blade :o

Maybe I have too much Discworld (and Death, AND HIS SPEAKING IN CAPITALS[1] on my brain)
 1. Yes, I know it's not quite the right size but there isn't a way of adding font-variant:small-caps here.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on September 14th, 2011, 03:42 PM
lol I don't know why I thought you were asking for a new one as I liked this one and this is why I cannot get it. However with that said I have come up with the ultimate one for you.





Ooops ok I will stop now  :whistle:  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 03:57 PM
Quote from Arantor on September 14th, 2011, 03:39 PM
I saw it as a scythe blade :o

Maybe I have too much Discworld (and Death, AND HIS SPEAKING IN CAPITALS[1] on my brain)
 1. Yes, I know it's not quite the right size but there isn't a way of adding font-variant:small-caps here.
Trivia: in the French version, there's a translator's note about the fact that La Mort (Death) has a female name: "La mort est un mâle. Un mâle nécessaire".
That pun is worthy of Pratchett's actually :P
(Ask me if you need a translation!)

@DirtRider> Nah, I'm not closed to suggestions but as I said, I'd rather they stay in the same area as we have now: the two triangles, subtle font...

@Anyone> Any favorites in the few versions I posted above? (Feel free to say your favorite font is in one while your favorite font color is in another and your favorite logo angle is in yet another...)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 14th, 2011, 04:01 PM
Quote from Nao
I'd rather have you guys clearly state you don't like the latest icons, instead of offering new ones...
Its not that I hate (http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedge-skew.png) you have atm, its that it just isnt dynamic enough for *me*.
The only one who can decide on a logo for your forum is you, am I right?

I was fiddling around and ended up with that shape and thought I would throw it into the ring.
Cheers
 :)

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 14th, 2011, 04:01 PM
Personally, I like the one that breaks the layout above there, with the fatter lettering but I'm thinking maybe the font should be lighter compared to how that one has it, because it doesn't really stand out from the pale background here. (The mostly/completely white with shadow look would suit it, IMO)
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The only one who can decide on a logo for your forum is you, am I right?
It's not just a logo for the forum. It's for the software too, because it'll probably end up bundled in some form or another...


:EDIT: And of course once the Wedge logo is settled, I'm going to be out looking for a WedgeDesk logo :whistle: :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 14th, 2011, 04:03 PM
/meagrees
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on September 14th, 2011, 04:05 PM
I like this one about the best

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedge-sqr.png)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 14th, 2011, 04:10 PM
That's the one I was getting at. :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on September 14th, 2011, 04:12 PM
It has just got a very clean look and feel about it, it's cool
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 04:15 PM
Quote from Arantor on September 14th, 2011, 04:01 PM
Personally, I like the one that breaks the layout above there, with the fatter lettering but I'm thinking maybe the font should be lighter compared to how that one has it, because it doesn't really stand out from the pale background here. (The mostly/completely white with shadow look would suit it, IMO)
I don't get a word of what you're trying to say... :^^;:
Which logo(s) are you talking about? Please mention them by order (#1-#5) or IMG them into your posts... :^^;:
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The only one who can decide on a logo for your forum is you, am I right?
(And Pete, obviously :P)
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It's not just a logo for the forum. It's for the software too, because it'll probably end up bundled in some form or another...
Yeah. The shape, at least-- I'm considering using it as an (unlinked?) signature, much like WordPress blogs have a WP favicon at the bottom by default.
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:EDIT: And of course once the Wedge logo is settled, I'm going to be out looking for a WedgeDesk logo :whistle: :lol:
Well you can built on the Wedge logo, obviously... I don't know if the obvious 'drawer/desk' imagery would be adequate for a logo, though. Maybe using different colors for the logo or something...?



Okay, Pete, are you telling me you want a font that's light than Coolvetica? I thought you liked fat fonts :P
So, now everyone likes square better than skewed? (I prefer squared for its professional look but skewed certainly makes a 'difference', too.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 14th, 2011, 04:19 PM
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I don't get a word of what you're trying to say...
The reason I didn't link it is because I wasn't sure it'd stay being the one it is.

The one I like is the one in post 585, with the two triangles almost completely aligned, with the weightier text. My concern was that the text might not stand out enough on pale backgrounds like the body of a post - like above.

I like the font as it is, it doesn't need to change weight, it just needs to change colour.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on September 14th, 2011, 04:22 PM
Quote from Nao on September 14th, 2011, 07:48 AM
You like nice-skewed in particular or my latest logos in general, like the header one? :whistle:
The latest logo's are in my opinion definitly so far the best you made.
Personaly I like the grafics part of:
(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3195)

and the letter part of:
(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3177)

Oké mayby a bit lighter in color, but not to much.

[1]
 1. Damm, it's hard to express your feelings and emotions when your Englisch (especially writing) isn't to good.
Thank God voor Spell Check
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 14th, 2011, 04:25 PM
Quote from Nao
(And Pete, obviously :P)
Naturally
 :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 14th, 2011, 05:20 PM
The logo thing is making me sick, anyone kindly make me a new logo? :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 05:36 PM
Let's try these... One for the dark backgrounds, one for bright backgrounds.

Since there are fans of the skewed version and fans of the square version, I tried to do something halfway between the two. (The light version isn't very readable but I'm on an odd-numbered post so I've got a light background for it.)

:edit: Updated white version.
:edit: And again...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 14th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Quote from ~DS~ on September 14th, 2011, 05:20 PM
The logo thing is making me sick, anyone kindly make me a new logo? :P
your logo is ok ~DS~ ??
What do you want to change?

Not that I am volunteering mind you  :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Quote from ~DS~ on September 14th, 2011, 05:20 PM
The logo thing is making me sick, anyone kindly make me a new logo? :P
Sure!
Made with Paint Shop Pro in 8 hours.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 05:57 PM
Header & footer were updated with this new version. I also updated minilogo.png so that all of you guys with a logo in your signatures will have it updated as well. (I can reupload the old one if you'd like to keep it though.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 14th, 2011, 06:06 PM
I actually find myself really liking the header one even though the font is thinner than something I'd have chosen myself.
Posted: September 14th, 2011, 06:03 PM

And since I posted, it looks like the header image changed slightly, to use the one that had the triangles more offset. Either that or I'm imagining it :/
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 14th, 2011, 06:10 PM
Quote from billy2 on September 14th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Quote from ~DS~ on September 14th, 2011, 05:20 PM
The logo thing is making me sick, anyone kindly make me a new logo? :P
your logo is ok ~DS~ ??
What do you want to change?

Not that I am volunteering mind you  :lol:
My logo is ok but not that it excites me.

*minic Yoda*

Make logo me, you must.

:p

Nao, I am having second thought about the skew. :P
Posted: September 14th, 2011, 06:09 PM
Quote from Nao on September 14th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Quote from ~DS~ on September 14th, 2011, 05:20 PM
The logo thing is making me sick, anyone kindly make me a new logo? :P
Sure!
Made with Paint Shop Pro in 8 hours.
:lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 14th, 2011, 10:54 PM
Quote from Arantor on September 14th, 2011, 06:06 PM
I actually find myself really liking the header one even though the font is thinner than something I'd have chosen myself.
That's the magic of Helvetica.
Although I'm still debating whether I shouldn't be using Myriad... If I could find a version between Regular and Bold... Hmm. Or just another slick font.
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And since I posted, it looks like the header image changed slightly, to use the one that had the triangles more offset. Either that or I'm imagining it :/
As I said above, I chose to please everyone by ditching both the squared and skewed versions, and instead making a slightly skewed version that also looks square. Eh, TBOBW.

Also, since no one seems to be reading the Skeleton topic, I'll post here... :whistle: I fixed the problems with Wireless (it was my fault basically), but I found the origin of the problem for my server crash on ?action=do;sa=send2;xml... In fact, that URL is only used by the PM draft code, and from what I can see, the generic PM code isn't optimized for handling a XML version, at all. Thus, it tends to rewrite the XML template with the PM and GenericMenu templates, and it also initializes the menu entirely... At this point it'd probably make more sense to re-route the XML codepath to end much shorter in the process, what do you think?
Posted: September 14th, 2011, 09:20 PM

Also, it would seem that PMs sent to drafts via Ajax will go through the same codepath as with non-Ajax stuff...
Hence, if the PM has no recipient (i.e. I started typing my PM without specifying one), the XML codepath will return, instead of XML code, a HTML block saying that no recipient was indicated, etc, etc. All of the possible errors really...

It's actually surprising that the code used to work :P But I admit it's particularly annoying to debug Ajax code. I had to change all of the $_POST to $_REQUEST in saveDraft() just so that I could pass a dummy URL requesting to save a draft, and see the resulting code in plain view.
Posted: September 14th, 2011, 10:52 PM

Oh, and saveDraft defines a fatal_error('empty_draft'), when no language files have $txt['empty_draft'] in them. I've checked the original mod, it *is* in its language file. Just not in ours... Should we remove the error or add the error message back in?
There may be other strings missing but it's the only one I checked.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 14th, 2011, 11:14 PM
Hmm, I really can't remember :/

But I suspect we should really put that string (back) in, otherwise find an alternative solution for if the user presses save-draft when the thing is empty.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron on September 14th, 2011, 11:59 PM
Even though I thought the old logo looked fine, I really like this new logo. Well done. :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 15th, 2011, 01:32 AM
Pete, just so you know -- there were other bugs, like area=drafts used at one point in the PM area when it's sa in that area. Also, I noticed that if you don't have a recipient, it actually saves a different draft every 30 seconds... I left a PM send tab open for a copule of days and had a couple hundred pages of drafts... (Thankfully there's a delete all button now :)) After fixing the various bugs I tried again and it didn't do it, phew...

All in all I still have a few things to commit, notably in PersonalMessage.php, I'll do it tomorrow morning because it's very late here... (Plus, I'm trying to do thematic commits. The PM commits are only loosely related to the layer fixes.)

Oh and I hope it doesn't bother anyone that I decided to rebuild the skeleton array more often. I don't think it's a big deal to call, on most layer/block modifications, a recursive function with a simple isset() for each layer/block in the skeleton. I could probably get away with a few millions before I'd have to optimize actually... :P

@Aaron> Thanks :) I'm 95% happy with it, which is very high for me and as far as I'll be able to go I suppose. I was only 75% happy with the good ol' green logo ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 15th, 2011, 01:34 AM
Yeah, PM drafts wasn't thoroughly tested though I never had any such problems in my testing :/
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 15th, 2011, 01:47 AM
Blame the beta testers :niark:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on September 15th, 2011, 06:31 AM
Quote from Nao on September 14th, 2011, 05:36 PM
Let's try these... One for the dark backgrounds, one for bright backgrounds.

Since there are fans of the skewed version and fans of the square version, I tried to do something halfway between the two. (The light version isn't very readable but I'm on an odd-numbered post so I've got a light background for it.)

:edit: Updated white version.
:edit: And again...
Even on the light background the lighter one still looks better to me
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 15th, 2011, 08:04 AM
Yeah it looks great but it's less readable ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: DirtRider on September 15th, 2011, 08:31 AM
I don't think it is really so bad that you would not notice it or be able to read it really
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on September 15th, 2011, 11:54 AM
In the footer, what does it look like if you just use the image (wedges) no text? I ask because it would be nice to know how it "feels" representing the brand alone.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 15th, 2011, 12:14 PM
Don't worry, I've been working on the favicon and it works well as an actual logo... :)
Better than most other logos. Okay, not PERFECTLY maybe, but still well.

I was sorting through all of my old tests, and really, one of my favorites by far, as a stand-alone shape, along with the current one, has to be -- (http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3162;image)

I don't know, I just liked the font + 'puzzle' shape combination for that one, too ;) I also liked the fact that the blue triangle fit exactly the text height (same position, same height), and the brown triangle fit the height of the 'd' and 'g' together. Also, I tried removing the font and it was still quite distinctive. Still, it's not exactly something that's poll-worthy. Is it...?

tl:dr, as a square shape, it doesn't work as well in the Wedge software footer, for instance, like the ship design did. I've replaced it with a reduced logo with a plain 'wedge' next to it, and it works great. Once brand awareness is old enough, I suppose we can start doing the shape-only thing more ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 15th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Quote from Nao
(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3162;image)
Fk the poll ! - thats the nicest one by far   :D
Will look good as favicon also
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Jorin on September 15th, 2011, 01:48 PM
I agree!  :cool:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on September 15th, 2011, 02:21 PM
Quote from billy2 on September 15th, 2011, 01:38 PM
Quote from Nao
(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3162;image)
Fk the poll ! - thats the nicest one by far   :D
Will look good as favicon also
Oh, I like it! :D
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 15th, 2011, 02:31 PM
lol, right when I'm finished with my logo commit, I come back here and find these posts... :lol:
Where were you guys when I posted it(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg267311/#msg267311) and asked for feedback? :P

Anyway, if Pete vetoes it, I can't do much about it. I'll still look into making a proper poll between the two.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 15th, 2011, 02:36 PM
No veto :P

And for the very first time since I started the add-on manager and you with the block changes, I actually have an edit conflict to resolve in Load.php (which is quite amazing given that you've made major changes and I've made quite a few of my own in there...)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Jorin on September 15th, 2011, 02:58 PM
Quote from Nao on September 15th, 2011, 02:31 PM
Where were you guys when I posted it(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg267311/#msg267311) and asked for feedback? :P
Busy.  :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 15th, 2011, 04:02 PM
Quote from Jorin on September 15th, 2011, 02:58 PM
Quote from Nao on September 15th, 2011, 02:31 PM
Where were you guys when I posted it(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg267311/#msg267311) and asked for feedback? :P
Busy.  :lol:
Scotland :)
Posted: September 15th, 2011, 03:56 PM
Quote from ~DS~
*minic Yoda*

Make logo me, you must.

:p
I volunteer........ CJ  :niark:


p.s Who is pi55ing about with my posts - if I had wanted to merge them - I would do it myself  :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 15th, 2011, 07:53 PM
Added a poll...
First option is the 'old' logo that suddenly got popular :P
Second option is the same with the new logo's font.
Third option is the old logo's font with the new logo's shape.
Third option is the new logo.
Posted: September 15th, 2011, 07:16 PM

(BTW, the 'old' logo (the non-square puzzle one) is slightly darker and I'll definitely make it a bit brighter in the final version if we choose it.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 15th, 2011, 08:25 PM
I like #2 better but I'll consider myself a strategic voter and vote for #1 because it looks more likely to win.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 15th, 2011, 09:21 PM
Whereas I voted #2 in spite of tactical voting :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on September 15th, 2011, 09:30 PM
I actually like #1 and #2 - I voted for #2, just because I could!  :cool:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 15th, 2011, 09:52 PM
Noticed I could vote for both. :>
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 16th, 2011, 12:02 AM
Yes, you can vote for two entries if you want.
Asked for Milady's opinion. She doesn't have an account here but she'd vote for option #3, the only one that has had no vote so far... :lol: Well, she and I rarely share the same taste in terms of design. Not that anything's wrong with that.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 16th, 2011, 12:47 AM
Looks like kick-off time, what the score right now, so far I didn't vote, but I will do. :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 16th, 2011, 01:25 AM
Being able to change your vote as many times as you want to makes strategic voting even better.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 16th, 2011, 07:07 AM
Strategic voting or not, it's now clear that the 'old' shape is the winner. Now it's a lethal fight between the two fonts... (And I don't mind. I like them both anyway... The first looks a tad warmer and the second is a tiny bit more professional.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: mforum on September 16th, 2011, 07:31 AM
first one!!!!  :cool:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 16th, 2011, 11:58 AM
Just for comparison... Big logo, both versions.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 16th, 2011, 12:00 PM
PS: I removed the last two logos from the poll, given how they were trailing in the polls. I'm encouraging 0x, Dr. Deejay, toolnox and Aaron to vote for one of the two remaining logos and choose their favorite font. If any :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 16th, 2011, 04:36 PM
Hmm...
Posting my file in AI and SVG formats. The SVG version embeds the text as outlines AFAIK.
Feel free to... Improve it the way you want.

Did you feel something for the square logo, btw?

:edit: Sending by PM instead. Anyone who wants it, please PM me.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 16th, 2011, 10:10 PM
Quote from Bloc on September 16th, 2011, 08:16 PM
Well..the image you made doesn't remind me, at least, of a wedge or how a wedge works.
No, it doesn't. It's an accidental logo. As you can see on the topic, I took the ship, split it in two parts, and started moving them around and trying to find interesting positions. The first one was very 'organic' (I'd applied a large Rounded Corners effect to both parts), but it didn't pair well with the text. The second try was the current one - the idea was to join the two 'darker' (shadowy) parts together in a corner. Then after looking at the finished logo, I noticed that the empty space between the two objects could be seen as the 'wedge' separating them, so I put the emphasis on that, and created the square logo that I suppose you like better. And I still like it a lot, too -- but I'm also interested in the majority's opinion, and in this case it was clearly that most users felt the current one was the best one.
Just see, once again, the empty space as a wedge...

I tried to make a compromise between the two versions that puts the emphasis on the empty space, see below. But my guts tell me that it won't be seen as an improvement. People will mention how the blue triangle now looks like a tear, and others will say it's just a drop of water dripping from the amphora that the brown triangle is, and two clans will form, and I'll go crazy... :lol:
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Its looks more like two triangles being cut in 2/3 and 1/3. So no, it doesn't give me anything.Perhaps two slim triangles (or better yet 3) with the middle as the "wedge" would work better, I don't know. The font is ok, I guess, nothing to write home about, and certainly a bit thin IMHO.
I love both fonts. I have nothing to add ;) And there's probably even space for a third nice font to throw into the mess... :lol:
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But, many logos use just some abstract image that doesn't particulary say anything. Case in mind, the Envato "leaf"/"fruit" (?)
Very nice logo. Actually when I loaded your post in my iPod, the 'envato' part didn't show up (too big), so I only had the icon, and I thought it was a suggestion you made for Wedge and I immediately thought 'great, I have to try this'... :lol:
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I lean more towards symbols bearing some meaning in relationship to the product(and for all I know the envato might even do just that, at some more hidden level :D )
I completely agree. Although all logos have a relationship, sometimes it's not clear. It's what I call the Rorschach effect... Just like the ending of some obscure movie like Mind Game where you have to watch the movie several times and make your own opinion -- and whatever opinion you have, it's the 'right' one for you anyway.
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EDIT: something funky about img tag here, it won't place itself on a new line,  had to place br before and after.
I know I know, it's due to another bug I fixed earlier... This one is less severe I'd say. It'll all be fixed when Wedge.org runs on Wedge anyway...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 16th, 2011, 10:23 PM
That blue wedge almost looks like a guitar pick!  :D
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 16th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Yeah, a guitar pick for BLUES players!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 16th, 2011, 11:16 PM
So do we both need to get dark glasses, black suit/tie combinations and start belting out Chicago style tunes?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 16th, 2011, 11:23 PM
Are you sure you wanna be my John Belushi?!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 16th, 2011, 11:38 PM
As long as I'm not John Goodman, I think we'll be OK.

I mean... it's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses. ;)

(Yes, I like The Blues Brothers. Shame the "sequel" was so bad, really.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 17th, 2011, 12:02 AM
Quote from Arantor on September 16th, 2011, 11:38 PM
As long as I'm not John Goodman, I think we'll be OK.
BB2000 does NOT exist. :ph34r:
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(Yes, I like The Blues Brothers. Shame the "sequel" was so bad, really.)
First one was just perfect in its own right. Second one was more like a parody...?! Meh.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 17th, 2011, 12:08 AM
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BB2000 does NOT exist.
Just like the fact there was only one Matrix film ;)

And yes, BB2000 was basically a parody. Quite why Aykroyd agreed to do it, I have no idea.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 18th, 2011, 12:08 AM
The first Blues Brother was very good, I don't about 2k, because I haven't watched it!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 18th, 2011, 12:09 AM
Quote from CJ Jackson on September 18th, 2011, 12:08 AM
The first Blues Brother was very good, I don't about 2k, because I haven't watched it!
*cough* There is no Blues Brothers 2000.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 18th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Quote from Arantor on September 18th, 2011, 12:09 AM
*cough* There is no Blues Brothers 2000.
But it was titled Blues Brothers 2000!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 18th, 2011, 12:13 AM
Quote from CJ Jackson on September 18th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Quote from Arantor on September 18th, 2011, 12:09 AM
*cough* There is no Blues Brothers 2000.
But it was titled Blues Brothers 2000!
:ph34r: There is no Blues Brothers 2000.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 18th, 2011, 12:16 AM
Quote from Arantor on September 18th, 2011, 12:13 AM
:ph34r: There is no Blues Brothers 2000.
Made in year 1998, but yet it was titled Blues Brothers 2000! :p
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron on September 18th, 2011, 12:51 AM
Quote from CJ Jackson on September 18th, 2011, 12:16 AM
Made in year 1998, but yet it was titled Blues Brothers 2000! :p
That movie never happened.  <_<
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on September 18th, 2011, 07:16 AM
Quote from CJ Jackson on September 18th, 2011, 12:16 AM
Quote from Arantor on September 18th, 2011, 12:13 AM
:ph34r: There is no Blues Brothers 2000.
Made in year 1998, but yet it was titled Blues Brothers 2000! :p
I started watching 'it' once and quickly discovered that, no, it never happened........  :ph34r:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 20th, 2011, 11:37 AM
That poll is fun. Even though it's just about a 'small' detail, it still manages to divide everyone here :P
I'm just as divided as you all. If I changed my vote for the second one, which I'm strongly considering after extra tests on my install, it'd suddenly be a 50/50 split... :^^;: Although with both authors in one side, it'd be a sure win even when split, but I'm still wondering how it ended up like this... :lol:

I'm keeping looking for other fonts, BTW. And even modifying the logo itself... Although I'm clueless for now.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 20th, 2011, 11:46 AM
I actually like having polls like this. It might be a small detail but it is quite important in its own way, and it means that people do have a say in what comes next.

I like involving the community in things but I've seen what happens when too many people have a vote on important things, so it is with the most kindness and respect that I say that I don't want everyone to have a vote on 'big' things, because if we do that, we'll never get anywhere.

Far better, in the long run, is for us to discuss it - maybe even have the discussion in public - let people comment on it and have their feelings known, then we act on it as we feel best. I'm not about to declare that I know what you want better than you do (because I'm not an Apple rep) but I do think that we have the capacity to make decisions for the software better than doing it by collective polling, by doing what we're doing ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on September 20th, 2011, 01:24 PM
Benevolent dictatorships are alive and well, and most definitely have a place in the world of software production. Sometimes, the buck has to stop and start outside of committee, and a number of software projects could benefit from such (no names, no pack drill...)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 20th, 2011, 01:30 PM
Quote from PantsManUK on September 20th, 2011, 01:24 PM
Benevolent dictatorships are alive and well, and most definitely have a place in the world of software production. Sometimes, the buck has to stop and start outside of committee, and a number of software projects could benefit from such (no names, no pack drill...)
^^ Word. ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 20th, 2011, 03:36 PM
Interesting variation here... First the current logo (until now), then the new one (in test phase.) Uses PT Sans Bold, in case you didn't already know.

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgemath.png)   (http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgelevel.png)

PS: the logo itself was reworked to get a less flat appearance, i.e. the gradients are laid out in a way that makes the triangles look more 3D-like. I'm not sure it's for the best?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 20th, 2011, 05:15 PM
Is there a bevel around the edges of the triangles (and is there supposed to be)? Just because I see a slight bevel look on the brown triangle on the left hand image, and I can't see the same on the right hand image, and as a result the right hand image looks flatter to me.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 20th, 2011, 05:33 PM
@Pete> No, only a drop shadow... It's not centered though.

@Bloc> ........

Please do share your wisdom, dear Sir... I'm sure you can find the perfect logo for us and crush my timid attempts within an hour. Then you can laugh as much as you like on the 44 pages of this topic. ::)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 20th, 2011, 05:44 PM
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@Pete> No, only a drop shadow... It's not centered though.
Hmm, it definitely looks like there's a bevelled edge there.
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lol..I guess you guys want to take another year doing logos then.. ;D (to me this is just stalling. Make a choice and stick with it..)
It's not actually really affecting development, it's more a fun diversion in the scheme of things, until we get something both of us are happy with (I'm happy with most of the recent ones personally)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 20th, 2011, 06:34 PM
Changed the logo to move the shadow more to the center... It's a tad better but now it looks blurry (?!).

Good thing in all that -- I'm getting used to vector drawing, progressively... Learning the basics of the UI, some of the concepts, etc. I didn't know a 10th of what I know, before last month.

And yeah, it's definitely a diversion to me (except for a week or two ago when I spent my days trying to make a final logo... but now it's back to the hobby side of it. And learning vector.)
Posted: September 20th, 2011, 06:22 PM

More modifications. It's looking a bit better now, except for the blur... Happier with it though. Will leave it at that for today.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 20th, 2011, 08:01 PM
...."Learn", eh?
Learn what, vector graphics? Or learn that I'm bound to fail, and I'll end up using one of the logos you posted 6 months ago because you know better?

Just another opportunity to remind me you're a fantastic designer and I'm just shit, I suppose. I know that, now if you're going to do something and offer a logo that matches the requests we have, then please do it. Otherwise, there are other topics where your wisdom is just as welcome... -_-
Heck, I told you months ago that if you wanted to make the default theme for Wedge, you were welcome to do it, as extreme as it could end up being. You never did, and you still always make sure we know that you don't like my work on the Wedge theme.

(And again, I never criticized your work on Curve. I just wanted to move away from it -- not because of you but because I want to move away from everything SMF. Hence -- different-looking themes are my thing.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on September 20th, 2011, 10:24 PM
The "blobbish" wedges part of the current logo look clumsy to me. I'd go towards something like this :

(http://stackmouse.kapsi.fi/img/wedge-logoye.png)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 20th, 2011, 11:24 PM
We established that the current shape will be the quasi-final one, unless a much better one is found etc etc...
Look at how the 'level up' is nicely inserted below the shape, while on yours it's not balanced. Also, it's just a square with three colors and doesn't fit with the font. :^^;:
Posted: September 20th, 2011, 11:21 PM

Oh, I've updated the poll with the PT Sans version.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 20th, 2011, 11:36 PM
I'm not sure if I'd expect people to "change" their votes after the fact...

But, the new one is pretty slick too.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 21st, 2011, 11:03 AM
Yeah, and I'm not going to force anyone to change...
Pete likes it, I like it.
I went a bit far yesterday with my attempts to make it a bright text with drop shadow though. Went back to yesterday morning's version with the dark text. Also dropped the color changes on the shape. The old one was just perfect, no need to make it look more '3D' than it was...

Although I'm very happy with that big size logo, I'm not as excited with the small version. The font is too thick to cool 'professional', and if I use PT Sans Regular instead of Bold, it simply looks dull. I think I'll have to play with transparency and color...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 21st, 2011, 09:46 PM
Bjorn,
There's nothing I can say to make you stay -- because, yes, we're not equal until Wedge 1.0 comes out, because as I said, I'm adamant that Pete and I will be the only developers on the first release. It doesn't mean we can't and won't work with others, of course, but we have the final word. So yes, in a sense, you are right.

However, I never ever doubted your talent and ability to do something different, and to do something different *for a good reason*. I've spent more time than I'd like to admit analyzing your logo submissions, even the last one (which you probably assumed I promptly rejected -- it actually stands there in my list of possible logos.)

As I said, Curve was something I disliked at first, then learned to like better than Core (I think my fave 'default' theme for SMF is still Babylon...), and it actually helped me forge my design skills (among plenty other things -- my biggest influence being .net magazine screenshots, I'd say.) And I love your website's recent themes. Sure thing, I'd probably be ready to use one of your existing themes as the default theme in Wedge. I simply need time to adjust to your ideas.
But yes, in the end, Pete and I will have the final word, and as willing as I am to give you creative freedom and let you do things you couldn't even consider doing for Curve, I know we're going to fight over details eventually. Probably not a LOT of details, but I see we're both quite stubborn and I doubt such an endeavour would be realistic -- not with the amount of work it would require from you, and subsequently the amount of ego bashing you'd take even involuntarily. The only way to make it work would be to take one of your pre-existing themes, but that's pretty much all.

So, I understand your point. And I think I did a lot to accomodate for you (e.g. layer hints), and in the end I'm just running away from the truth -- I probably can't work alongside with you because I'm more conservative, as much as I hate thinking about myself as a 'conservative'. But I'm certainly not the innovator that Pete would like to think I am.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 24th, 2011, 11:56 AM
I was avoiding this topic for the most part because I don't like fights. I've been in enough to know that little good comes of them, and invariably when I do join them, things get worse because I always call it as I see it, without much in the way of restraint.

That said, I do want to add my $0.02 here.


"I'm adamant that Pete and I will be the only developers on the first release."

We've never shied away from this being the case. We'll listen to anything people want to suggest, but the end of the day is that it will be our decision what gets implemented. Some things have been suggested and implemented, some things have even had code posted that I'm willing to accept in to the core once I've looked over them again and tested them to make sure there aren't any odd side effects, but the end of the day we're still acting as benevolent dictators.

Interestingly only yesterday I commented about this to a friend of mine, with the observation that every single open source project I've ever known to be actually actively developing has an inner core of benevolent dictators calling the final shots, but wise enough to accept contributions and ideas from anyone.
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We are not equal in this project, and thats why i am being sarcastic in regards to spending so much lost time on a poor logo.
Therein lies the first problem: why do people feel the need to be equal to contribute? Yes, we're not equal, but that's ultimately because we want to have the final say in what goes on. There are multiple goals for Wedge over its life, and some of those really rely on maintaining a single cohesive vision, and given the direction of some of those discussions, it's clear that that's a goal that's never going to be achieved.

You've indicated more than once about the desire (and even pretty much making it a *need*) for the software to have themes as the single dominant control on look and feel, but frankly, I don't think that holds up in real life as I tried to get across more than once. There have to be boundaries on creativity on both sides (between add-ons and themes) so that the two can co-exist nicely, and from the point we had that discussion, it seemed pretty clear to me that we were never going to work together too well, because we're at polar opposites and neither of us is prepared to give too much ground.

Yet, I don't regard anything that's happened as lost time. It's shown limitations and weaknesses in the status quo, and great things have happened as a consequence of all those discussions. Whether you realise it or not, or care or not, you have shaped Wedge in your own way, with the template skeleton stuff. That's huge stuff, it's completely changed how I will be writing mods, and you helped inspire that, so despite our mutual stubbornness, something good came of it. Maybe not everything you hoped for, but more than - I suspect - you expected. Much really as I thought when looking over the discussion about themes supporting add-ons. There isn't a way to handle both perfectly, so either you favour one or the other, or compromise somewhere in the middle, which is what I believe we're doing.

Specifically on the logo, I have to say I wasn't that impressed with the comment about the logo. You might find it a waste of time, but I don't, on different levels. Firstly, it's a relatively harmless way to blow off a bit of creative steam for Nao. Coding is a creative skill, yes, but it's a particular kind of creativity, and he has other creativity to let out, so to speak - so it allows for that.

Plus, it helps do something that we can't otherwise do at the moment: involve the community. I'm acutely aware that we have chosen, thus far, to keep the community at relative arms-length by keeping the code private and even keeping the demo site private. Thus for me, it's one of the few ways we can actually reach out to the community in a way that includes them in what we're doing.

I just want to answer Nao's last point, in a way that does kind of answer it on both sides, if that's going to make sense.
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I probably can't work alongside with you because I'm more conservative, as much as I hate thinking about myself as a 'conservative'. But I'm certainly not the innovator that Pete would like to think I am.
Wedge has seen both Nao and myself with the freedom to do things that we've never done before, never been able to do before. It's a power, and it's sadly a little intoxicating. But with that power comes a responsibility.

There is one reason why we're conservative at times, it's because we know, deep down, we have to be. Yes, some things we can go nuts and really go to town on, like I'm doing with the admin panel and in particular add-ons. But I recognise that we can't just up-end things.

As much as I'd love to ignore the community and build our dream platform (which is, ultimately what Nao and I set out to do), we recognise that the community is going to use Wedge. That means it has to be usable, and at times it will have to fall back on the inconvenient truth that people don't always want what we want. They want what other software has. It means that we're bound by expectation to provide most of the same things as other packages, and it does restrict us from being too controversial particularly in the default look and feel area.

Therein lies the problem: you could design the single most innovative default theme ever, and we'd end up rejecting it or removing parts of it, not because it's you, not because it's not awesome: but simply because it's not what people expect, and it would reflect badly on all of us in that situation.

At the end of the day, though, the reason that Wedge is working the way it is, is because Nao and I have vision. It's mostly specific with some vagueness in places, but it's mostly a unified vision of where we want to take Wedge in the future, and the reality is that if someone wants to contribute something that doesn't really fit with that vision, no matter how good it is, the likelihood is that it's going to be kicked back, because that's life, and I know I've seen times where we've tweaked the vision to fit in with reality - but for the most part we have adhered to our vision.

Nao's right, when he says he's more conservative, but he doesn't give himself enough credit, because he didn't take the time to understand why he's more conservative, it's less about him wanting to be so and more because he knows, deep down, that he has to be.

As for being an innovator, I'd argue that by being prepared to buck the trend and go down roads that are less well travelled, or even untravelled, that does make you an innovator, Nao. I mean, what other system implements block management with the facility and ease of use that Wedge has?



The only reason I even came back to this topic today was that I was wondering if there was a bigger version of the current logo that I could pimp out my Twitter with. (Bigger version of the triangles, with the word underneath)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 24th, 2011, 05:49 PM
Quote from Arantor on September 24th, 2011, 11:56 AM
That said, I do want to add my $0.02 here.
Thanks, and I agree with 100% of what you said :)
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There have to be boundaries on creativity on both sides (between add-ons and themes) so that the two can co-exist nicely, and from the point we had that discussion, it seemed pretty clear to me that we were never going to work together too well, because we're at polar opposites and neither of us is prepared to give too much ground.
Still doesn't mean we can't bring anything to each other. It's important to keep one's options open.
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Whether you realise it or not, or care or not, you have shaped Wedge in your own way, with the template skeleton stuff.
IIRC, I built the skeleton code because I wanted to have one of my skins put the sidebar on the very left of the screen, because I was looking at one of my old sites that was built this way and had a feeling of nostalgia... eh eh :P
I thought hard, and first imagined I could make a 'string' that would tell Wedge where to put the sidebar. I just needed to give these 'blocks' a name and substance... Should I make a small HTML page that would call the template_functions by itself? Would it override the obExit code? And I think I quickly realized I could simply put together layers and blocks into that skeleton and call them normally from obExit & co.

Heck, the most surprising to me, is how natural this all is now. I mean, when it comes to templating, SMF is in the stone age for me. It took me only a day to implement a working prototype, and about a couple of weeks (among other projects) to make it work perfectly. Now I'm so happy with it, I'm actually working on splitting the index template into more items so that for instance a skin can push the language flags to the footer, things like that, without a single line of code... :)

Hmm, here's wondering if a plugin could do it by code easily... Hmmmmm... Either remove the block (removeBlock()) and then add it back where they want... Or just add it somewhere, and have Wedge automatically remove other instances... Although it could be possible that themers/modders would want to have a same block in two different places on the page.
Hmm... And what if I wanted to have a page index block... Problem is it takes params to work... Maybe I could improve the skeleton code to support something like <page_index:"base_url",0,100,10,false,true />

Or even conditional blocks...?

if (!empty($context['bottom_linktree']))
   template_linktree(false, true);

Could become...

<if:bottom_linktree:linktree:false, true />

Or just have the $context['bottom_linktree'] setter code go through something like this instead...

loadBlock('linktree:false,true', 'footer', 'before');

Oh, well... :)
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Specifically on the logo, I have to say I wasn't that impressed with the comment about the logo. You might find it a waste of time, but I don't, on different levels. Firstly, it's a relatively harmless way to blow off a bit of creative steam for Nao.
You know, I'm still not sure about either the logo shape and the logo font... :lol:
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Wedge has seen both Nao and myself with the freedom to do things that we've never done before, never been able to do before. It's a power, and it's sadly a little intoxicating. But with that power comes a responsibility.
Yes, true enough, when we started, we mainly saw Wedge as 'SMF for real men' (that was the original joke slogan), that is to say, a SMF for veteran admins who knew it well, and wanted to avoid its issues. I don't know when exactly we realized we'd started making Wedge targeted to just everyone. Our goal was never to be a 'real' SMF competitor, but I think that after spending a year of your life on something, you somehow want it to matter...
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Therein lies the problem: you could design the single most innovative default theme ever, and we'd end up rejecting it or removing parts of it, not because it's you, not because it's not awesome: but simply because it's not what people expect, and it would reflect badly on all of us in that situation.
There are two things in Wedge: themes and skins. I'm encouraging Bloc to both improve on the theme to make it more *universal* (i.e. more likely to help create stunning and original skins), and create skins for it. Given how small our skin files are, we can largely afford to provide several very different skins by default. As you can see, Warm and Wuthering don't require much attention from me. When I make a change to Wine, it's reflected automatically in the others, so it's like I only have one skin to maintain. I'm always considering making a barebones skin (which was my original goal with Warm, but honestly it was a failure, I just didn't go far enough and will something else about that in the near future.) There IS room for more skins, whether full skins or inherited skins. Really. The final choice over the 'default' skin will come later, and it can always change. Because people change, too. Ideas and tastes are not carved in stone, they evolve over time.
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As for being an innovator, I'd argue that by being prepared to buck the trend and go down roads that are less well travelled, or even untravelled, that does make you an innovator, Nao. I mean, what other system implements block management with the facility and ease of use that Wedge has?
I reckon I had plenty of ideas that the competition didn't have. I'm even a bit overprotective of them by now... I always let a sound out when I see John's fork (or another) is implementing a Wedge feature... (Well, that's mostly because he has access to the Wedge codebase and I don't have access to his own, so... I can't help but be a bit paranoid :P)
But I probably need to let these things behind me and focus on new things. There isn't any value in being 'attached' to your earlier achievements. Moving on is necessary at least when working on such a project.
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The only reason I even came back to this topic today was that I was wondering if there was a bigger version of the current logo that I could pimp out my Twitter with. (Bigger version of the triangles, with the word underneath)
Here's a version that I hope you'll find visually appealing ;) Attached filesize and picture size variations in the RAR file. The second logo is for use on DARK backgrounds, of course.
Posted: September 24th, 2011, 05:45 PM

Oh, and a last minute addition: a 50x50 version... Not in the RAR file though. It's not very good, I attempted to keep the font readable but I should have made the triangles a bit smaller.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 24th, 2011, 06:08 PM
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Still doesn't mean we can't bring anything to each other. It's important to keep one's options open.
Oh, sure. Just that when you have stubborn people on both sides of the debate, who are strong minded and fighting for their cause, they both have to realise that there must be compromise in a manner that benefits everyone.
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IIRC, I built the skeleton code because I wanted to have one of my skins put the sidebar on the very left of the screen, because I was looking at one of my old sites that was built this way and had a feeling of nostalgia... eh eh
And here was me thinking it was because Bloc was talking about something that would give themes more flexibility and make them work more nicely with mods :P
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Heck, the most surprising to me, is how natural this all is now.
*nods* I don't think there's any doubt as to this being what it was always wanting to be when it grew up :)
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You know, I'm still not sure about either the logo shape and the logo font...
In my own take on the logo (see avatar!!!!) I reused the same font and messed about slightly with the shape, and distinctly went for the bevel that I could have sworn I'd seen in yours.
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Yes, true enough, when we started, we mainly saw Wedge as 'SMF for real men' (that was the original joke slogan), that is to say, a SMF for veteran admins who knew it well, and wanted to avoid its issues. I don't know when exactly we realized we'd started making Wedge targeted to just everyone. Our goal was never to be a 'real' SMF competitor, but I think that after spending a year of your life on something, you somehow want it to matter...
When we started, it was SMF without the baggage that wound us up, at least in my head. But as soon as we realised that by dealing with the baggage, we'd encourage more people to use it... I think it was you, actually, who made me realise that my little 'building it for us' idealism didn't really work any more.
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There IS room for more skins, whether full skins or inherited skins. Really. The final choice over the 'default' skin will come later, and it can always change. Because people change, too. Ideas and tastes are not carved in stone, they evolve over time.
Very much so, yes.
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I reckon I had plenty of ideas that the competition didn't have. I'm even a bit overprotective of them by now...
You and me both. Fortunately for us, I have a few ideas in store that I haven't shared yet, some of which will be add-ons, some of which likely to become full core features, but it'll emerge over time exactly how and what they are :D
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But I probably need to let these things behind me and focus on new things. There isn't any value in being 'attached' to your earlier achievements. Moving on is necessary at least when working on such a project.
I still have attachment, emotionally, to my earlier projects, but not because I lament the situation they're in, or that I resent how sour things got. I have attachment because each project I've done in the forum ecosystem taught me something more, and each mod I've written (which is about 70) has in its own little way shaped how Wedge is being refined.
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Here's a version that I hope you'll find visually appealing
I like those but I'm still pretty attached to my own experiment as well... it does something different that reflects me in a funny way.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: and on September 25th, 2011, 12:47 AM
only I have a strange association?  :angel:

 :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 25th, 2011, 12:50 AM
Interesting association. Though yes, I guess, Wedge is like a heart pumping at the core of sites...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 26th, 2011, 07:56 AM
errrrr, isnt that your liver?
 :whistle:

Wedge - filtering out your forums cr4p  :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 26th, 2011, 08:49 AM
Well, I'm no biologist, but I thought the thing behind the 'heart' was the stomach...?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 26th, 2011, 08:53 AM
'tis sir.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 26th, 2011, 08:57 AM
Which makes that the heart because the liver's further down IIRC.

I'm a software, not a wetware, guru :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 26th, 2011, 09:12 AM
For interests sake -

(click to show/hide)
(http://www.scubadivingforum.co.uk/wedgeimages/human2.jpg)

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: and on September 26th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Well, that type of  :D
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 26th, 2011, 08:44 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 4th, 2011, 12:28 AM
Hmmm, I've wondered today about making badges based on my avatar-interpretation-of-logo, where I'd create a grey-scale base that would look like a base that supported the logo (as though the logo were placed into a slight recess in the surface).

Then, I'd write a PHP script to accept a colour, it would tint the background, insert the text I give it, then overlay the logo into place to make new badges. It seems like a lot of effort but that's the sort of crazy thing only I would do, because that way I'd be able to spin new badges out for whatever teams/colours we want :)

I think it would also probably necessitate a custom font renderer since I'd keep the same font but there's no really good way to outline the font we currently use cleanly (having already tried it) but that's not exactly a killer. Either I'd get the text and draw it or encode it into the script like I did for the CAPTCHA font.

/mehas funky crazy ideas late at night.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 4th, 2011, 07:18 AM
Quote from Arantor on October 4th, 2011, 12:28 AM
Hmmm, I've wondered today about making badges based on my avatar-interpretation-of-logo, where I'd create a grey-scale base that would look like a base that supported the logo (as though the logo were placed into a slight recess in the surface).
I have no freaking idea what you're talking about..... :^^;:
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Then, I'd write a PHP script to accept a colour, it would tint the background, insert the text I give it, then overlay the logo into place to make new badges.
Square badges...? I don't really see the point.
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It seems like a lot of effort but that's the sort of crazy thing only I would do, because that way I'd be able to spin new badges out for whatever teams/colours we want :)
Well, the current badge is easy enough to modify to add more... (Of course I still need to update it for our new logo... But I haven't settled on a final logo yet. Yeah...)
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/mehas funky crazy ideas late at night.
I can confirm... :P

While we're on this topic, I'm attaching a few stupid logos I 'tried' a few days ago. They don't 'perfectly' click with me, but I still think they're worth reposting. I liked reusing Segoe UI Light for these tests, too.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 4th, 2011, 08:52 AM
They'd be rectangular. I didn't explain myself that well, I'll try and mock up what's inside my head later on.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 8th, 2011, 10:33 PM
I like the 'petals' logo above, it looks nice.

Here's another attempt, this time I've made it all into an arc... Like it, too.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 8th, 2011, 10:37 PM
Nicely done :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on October 8th, 2011, 10:42 PM
Ooh I like that
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on October 8th, 2011, 10:45 PM
I'm liking the arc as well  :cool:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on October 8th, 2011, 11:01 PM
The Claw
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 9th, 2011, 12:41 AM
Lulz ;) I was thinking of the Phantom's mask in Phantom of the Paradise, myself ;)

Here's another one... Maybe not as good, but it's more organic. I think the brown shape is a bit too thick here.
Posted: October 8th, 2011, 11:08 PM

Or maybe this...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 9th, 2011, 12:51 AM
For me it's a toss up between the first one you posted and claw5, but I think the first one wins by a whisker.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 9th, 2011, 12:54 AM
Logo or logo+font-wise?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 9th, 2011, 01:02 AM
Logo primarily. I have to admit my eye is drawn far more to the logo than the font, but I do like the sturdier font of the comma and claw5 ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on October 9th, 2011, 10:39 AM
Oh, I think I like the one in #680, the comma. The logo-part of it doesnt really send me a message of what it is supposed to be, but it is clear and balanced, and easily identified. Overall one of the better ones seen in this thread, IMO.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on October 9th, 2011, 07:28 PM
I actually like the claw3 in #685.  ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 9th, 2011, 07:48 PM
Added a solution halfway between the others... Not super-convinced.

I like them all, though, but I like the 'square' logo, too. I'm just trying to find something that convinces me by being both organic (natural, chaotic) and ordered (straightened, professional).

Hmm... Might as well attach some of my latest .ai files. If any of you Illustrator addicts want to give it a try... You'll see how I created the latest logos -- by tweaking an 'Arc' effect, ah ah. Well, it still required some work.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on October 9th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Lol. Stuck with the old Photoshop 7.0 on this small, borrowed comp so I cant re-install my CS Suite until I finish building my new comp. Which = no Illustrator access.  -_-

 ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 9th, 2011, 11:03 PM
I'm not expecting anyone to do it -- just offering to all the ability to customize the logo to their liking and then suggest their version. If they want :)

Oh, while I'm at it... A message to those who can access the SVN. Do you remember Wedge's menu looking like THIS...?
Please note the huge vertical padding between the menu and the lower line representing the end of the menu area.
I don't remember ever seeing this -- but my current index.css is a bit modified and I don't want to revert my copy to test that.
So, to be clear: this will be fixed in the next commit... I'm just surprised this is happening to me in the demo site.
Posted: October 9th, 2011, 10:16 PM
Quote from Nao on October 9th, 2011, 10:16 PM
Oh, while I'm at it... A message to those who can access the SVN. Do you remember Wedge's menu looking like THIS...?
Looks like I'm getting this in Chrome and Opera 12, but not in Opera 11.51... (??)
Need confirmations!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on October 10th, 2011, 10:47 AM
claw3 for the image, claw5 for the font (it's the most "immediate" of those on offer, and the gradient works)

claw6 looks a little too parroty for my liking... :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on October 10th, 2011, 12:45 PM
I'm sorry, but all I can see is a parrot or puffin.
My initial impression was "thats nice", but after a second or two..... it was beaks.
This isnt meant to be funny but a constructive comment.
Billy
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 10th, 2011, 12:52 PM
Quote from billy2 on October 10th, 2011, 12:45 PM
I'm sorry, but all I can see is a parrot or puffin.
My initial impression was "thats nice", but after a second or two..... it was beaks.
This isnt meant to be funny but a constructive comment.
And now I can't stop seeing beaks either, especially the later ones... once seen, can't be unseen.

It's like the Nightwish song Wishmaster. Spoiler tag for nicety.

(click to show/hide)
The actual lyrics:
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Master!
Apprentice!
Heartborne!
7th seeker!
Warrior!
Disciple!
In me, the Wishmaster!
What I cannot stop hearing:
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Hamster!
A dentist!
Hardcore![1]
Steven Segal!
Warrior!
This rifle!
In me, the fish monster!
 1. Some hear 'Hard porn' here
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 10th, 2011, 01:28 PM
Beaks can be cool... As I said: Phantom of the Paradise.

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4oim2KvfBDUkOsagFip0HYujz-Iu27aArzpC-7j-XVX1kVSA0LsAVGW4O-w)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on October 10th, 2011, 02:08 PM
Never watched a musical apart from about a quarter of Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, which did absolutely zero for me. I am totally uncultured with regard to 'the arts'.
As far as the owl mask goes - I think I would have preferred seeing just the metal teeth. (I wiki'd PoftheP)

Yours uncouthly
Billy
:)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 10th, 2011, 02:12 PM
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Never watched a musical apart from about a quarter of Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
The film with Johnny Depp, or a stage version? Honestly, musicals are not meant to be put into films and television, they're there to be experienced. (I have been to a stage production of Todd, as well as We Will Rock You, Wicked and multiple showings of Rocky Horror Picture Show, and never would television do them justice.)


In other news, I had the slightly crazy idea that I might create logos in hand-written SVG (I am a programmer, after all! :lol:) and to see where that got me. I have a shiny new XML editor now (although I used it to validate the RelaxNG spec for plugins, that was a demo version, I today bought the academic/non-commercial licence for it, and I'm eager to use it properly rather than for my original, limited use)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on October 10th, 2011, 02:25 PM
Quote from Arantor
The film with Johnny Depp, or a stage version?
The film version.
My S-in-Law agrees with you on the filming of operas etc.
My wife is an avid reader and every 'film of the book' she watches gets the same "dreadful, not as good as the book" review.

Regarding your 'slightly crazy idea', isnt that how many great things happen?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 10th, 2011, 02:27 PM
Quote from billy2 on October 10th, 2011, 02:08 PM
Never watched a musical apart from about a quarter of Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, which did absolutely zero for me. I am totally uncultured with regard to 'the arts'.
PotP is not a musical, it's a movie with a few songs performed by the main characters. Per se, a musical is supposed to be a story played through songs, while PotP's songs have pretty much nothing to do with the story, it's just that they're singers, and they perform in front of an audience... But when they're not on stage, they just speak normally. ;)
Quote
As far as the owl mask goes - I think I would have preferred seeing just the metal teeth. (I wiki'd PoftheP)
The guy wasn't very pretty to begin with. But his stay at Sing Sing didn't improve things ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on October 10th, 2011, 02:35 PM
There is the confirmation.... I dont even know the difference between a musical and a film with songs in it,  :thanks:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 10th, 2011, 02:39 PM
Quote from billy2 on October 10th, 2011, 02:35 PM
There is the confirmation.... I dont even know the difference between a musical and a film with songs in it,  :thanks:
Most films have songs in :P Just the cast don't go around singing them...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on October 10th, 2011, 02:45 PM
Quote
Most films have songs in :P Just the cast don't go around singing them...
In Jason Stathams case - thats a good thing :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 10th, 2011, 02:47 PM
Some films aren't firmly set between one of the other genre. For instance, 'Enchanted' has, in homage to the Disney musicals, a few songs performed by the cast 'in situ', categorizing it as a musical, but 90% of the movie is spoken and not sung, so it's not really a musical either.
The Rocky Horror Picture Show is definitely a musical, while Phantom of the Paradise isn't. My 2 cents.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 10th, 2011, 02:57 PM
Thing is, most 'musicals' have a fair amount of spoken dialogue. RHPS certainly does, so does WWRY and Wicked.

The real difference is whether the story is told through the music or not. RHPS, WWRY and Wicked, plus Sweeney Todd do. Enchanted sort of does, but not fully - it's more how they express themselves and their feelings, and more background stuff.

My all time favourite Disney movie - Aladdin - has quite a few bits like that. You have the 'Riff Raff, Street Rat'[1] song as Aladdin has just insulted the princess' suitor and pushed back into the mud. Or the song where he is escaping from the guards with a stolen loaf of bread.[2]

It doesn't tell the story, but it adds to its substance, and it's why despite being so singable, Aladdin isn't - IMO at least - a musical.
 1. "One Jump Ahead (Reprise)": Riff raff, street rat / I don't buy that / If only they'd look closer / Would they see a poor boy? / Nosiree, they'd find out / There's so much more to me...
 2. "One Jump Ahead": Gotta keep / One jump ahead of the breadline / One swing ahead of the sword / I steal only what I can't afford / (That's everything!)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 10th, 2011, 03:19 PM
OK, so my progress so far with the logo.

Code: [Select]
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-SVG-20010904/DTD/svg10.dtd">
<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="100%" height="100%" preserveAspectRatio="xMidYMid meet" viewBox="0,0 205,205">
    <desc>The Wedge logo, by Arantor</desc>
    <defs>
        <linearGradient id="wedgeText" x1="0%" y1="0%" x2="0%" y2="100%">
            <stop offset="0%" style="stop-color:#4a4139;stop-opacity:0.6" />
            <stop offset="100%" style="stop-color:#000000;stop-opacity:0.6" />
        </linearGradient>
        <linearGradient id="wedgeBrown" x1="0%" y1="70%" x2="100%" y2="0%">
            <stop offset="0%" style="stop-color:#d1b699;stop-opacity:1" />
            <stop offset="100%" style="stop-color:#3f3932;stop-opacity:1" />
        </linearGradient>
        <linearGradient id="wedgeBlue" x1="0%" y1="70%" x2="100%" y2="0%">
            <stop offset="0%" style="stop-color:#6db3dd;stop-opacity:1" />
            <stop offset="14%" style="stop-color:#4db8ea;stop-opacity:1" />
            <stop offset="100%" style="stop-color:#49525f;stop-opacity:1" />
        </linearGradient>
    </defs>
    <polygon points="0,0 200,0 0,200" style="fill:url(#wedgeBrown)" />
    <polygon points="205,10, 205,160 55,160" style="fill:url(#wedgeBlue)" />
    <text x="65" y="195" fill="url(#wedgeText)" font-family="Verdana" font-weight="bold" font-size="35">wedge</text>
    <g alignment-baseline="baseline"></g>
</svg>

(That feels oddly hardcore, that I'm posting the code for the logo and it is simultaneously the logo as well)

I've attached it converted to a PNG in Chrome, rendering at 100px width and 600px wide, and it looks good either way :) Which, of course, it should.

Note that it's still a WIP, I'm not yet happy with it!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 10th, 2011, 05:04 PM
Quote from Arantor on October 10th, 2011, 02:57 PM
The real difference is whether the story is told through the music or not. RHPS, WWRY and Wicked, plus Sweeney Todd do. Enchanted sort of does, but not fully - it's more how they express themselves and their feelings, and more background stuff.
That's pretty much how I view it, too ;)

The South Park movie, for instance, is a musical because the lyrics make the story move forward.

Re: SVG, do you want a SVG version of the latest logos...?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 10th, 2011, 05:07 PM
No, I was trying to code it by hand just to get a feel for SVG ;) I got as far as putting in the curved corners at the right-angles of both images, but that's as far as I got without dredging up all kinds of maths that have rusted up in the corners of my brain.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 10th, 2011, 05:57 PM
Ah, it reminds me of the days when I would manually enter coordinates to generate my 3D objects in OpenGL for Kyodai Mahjongg... Was fun :P
Then I started generating my meshes with procedural methods. Just because I was unable to find a 'rounded corners cube' mesh on the Interwebs... Heck, I'm sure there are thousands of this online by now... But it wasn't commando-style!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 10th, 2011, 06:02 PM
I was doing that not too long ago trying to model some 3D objects on my iPad... not so successful.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 10th, 2011, 06:13 PM
3D's a bitch... It requires full attention. And it's not particularly fun to do, especially after a while...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 10th, 2011, 06:15 PM
*nods* I gave up after a fashion and when I have 5 minutes I plan to learn how to use Blender. But that relies on me having 5 minutes.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on October 10th, 2011, 07:14 PM
I like the sharper look in #707 better, as opposed to the beveled look.  ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 10th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Like... This?!

@Pete> Blender had the single work UI ever for 3D, back when I used it... But it was still more usable than 3DSMax, Maya and other bloated powerhouses... :^^;:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: ARG on October 10th, 2011, 08:16 PM
Quote from Nao on October 10th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Like... This?!
No, like this. http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg268912/#msg268912

 ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 12th, 2011, 11:58 PM
I really like the 'beak' logos on page 46...
Can't find a better one for now.
Here's something in between.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 13th, 2011, 12:47 PM
So... Maybe with another font and different colors...?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on October 13th, 2011, 02:09 PM
If you continue on that dark path, soon you will find yourself here:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/Pepsi_logo_2008.svg)

 :eheh:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 13th, 2011, 04:53 PM
What's wrong with that logo, globally?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 13th, 2011, 05:13 PM
Nothing. Just that there's the risk of gradually moving towards it.

I like all the ones you posted earlier; but I have no specific preference or bias about any individual one.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2011, 10:47 AM
Tried to go 'super simple'.
Even tried color variations...

Well, I love it. Simple is good.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on October 16th, 2011, 12:29 PM
simple2.png is very nice.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2011, 02:52 PM
Added variations of the 'flat' logo. Just because I had them under the hand...
I should try and make a tiny logo of the original color variant, but in flat mode.
Posted: October 16th, 2011, 12:49 PM

Any feedback?

I'm tempted to use this as the new default :P
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2011, 04:21 PM
As you can see, I loved it so much -- I simply got rid of the header section background and put everything into the sidebar... It's a bold move but one I'm very happy with.

Seriously, I think I have 'my' logo. Now I'm just left with convincing everyone else that it's theirs too... :niark:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on October 16th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Looking nice Nao :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2011, 07:21 PM
Thanks!

I'd have liked to know of pete's opinion on these logos. Matters a lot to me...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2011, 07:31 PM
I like the logo, not quite as much as the brown/blue combination personally, but it still looks really good.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2011, 07:52 PM
Added a few more variations then, with different color tints, with drop shadow and without, etc...
Just pick your favo(u)rites and the ones you dislike!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2011, 07:54 PM
I think 'simply-pete' is my favourite of those. I've gotten attached to the drop-shadow look (and prefer that to the flat look), and I do like the blue over the green. Bright greens always remind me of feeling a little ill (whereas darker greens feel good and natural and warm to me)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2011, 08:40 PM
I tried for a darker green in simply-pete.png but... Meh.

My fave is the sidebar one. Followed by simply-red/green. I'm not sure about the rest.

Drop shadow goes without saying in large mode. I'm just removing it for the favicon because it doesn't render well.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 16th, 2011, 08:43 PM
I do like the darker tint of simply-pete.

/meis just fussy :P
In all seriousness, the logo currently in use here is pretty awesome. If we were to wait until both of us hit that 'aha' moment, we'd never achieve anything. You love the new one - stick with that! :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on October 16th, 2011, 08:56 PM
I love the new layout, nice.  :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron on October 16th, 2011, 10:55 PM
The green doesn't do it for me, sorry.

I really like the petal-ish logos(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg268471/#msg268471), btw -- especially the first one. At the same time, their shape also makes them not quite 'wedgy', unfortunately.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2011, 11:09 PM
Quote from Aaron on October 16th, 2011, 10:55 PM
The green doesn't do it for me, sorry.
Any favorites in #722?
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I really like the petal-ish logos(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg268471/#msg268471), btw -- especially the first one. At the same time, their shape also makes them not quite 'wedgy', unfortunately.
Yeah, liked these too, but they didn't cut it for anyone else so I just went into another direction... (I liked the second one better, mainly because it fits in a favicon rectangle, which is one of the things I need for the final logo ;))
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron on October 16th, 2011, 11:21 PM
Quote from Nao on October 16th, 2011, 11:09 PM
Any favorites in #722?
simple2.png looks better, but then again, perhaps too much like the old one you were trying to move away from, heh.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 16th, 2011, 11:29 PM
Yup
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on October 16th, 2011, 11:51 PM
Try purple?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 17th, 2011, 12:11 AM
I guess I like the green because it reminds me of a leaf. I sort of reused my 'leaf/petal' idea from earlier, but with more realistic colors :P

Oh... A good question would be -- look at my signature. Doesn't the green version look cooler..?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on October 17th, 2011, 12:23 AM
I like the one in the side bar :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Cassiel on October 17th, 2011, 05:32 AM
I like the mix of green and brown. It gives it a very "earthly" quality to it, which I like a lot.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on October 17th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Quote from Nao on October 17th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Oh... A good question would be -- look at my signature. Doesn't the green version look cooler..?
Yes it's does actually look cooler, I would stick with it.  I actually like the new layout, it has a very contemporary feel.  :)

I was only joking about the Purple. :lol:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on October 17th, 2011, 01:52 PM
I like simple 15 and simply red!! :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Jorin on October 17th, 2011, 02:10 PM
And I thought chatting over 3 pages about the smfportal.de-logo with my team must be some kind of nerdy.  :lol:

Keep the logo as it is right now in the sidebar. It's perfect!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on October 18th, 2011, 06:03 AM
The logo in the sidebar is starting to grow on me :)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on October 18th, 2011, 08:25 AM
Simple 15 from #722

It has the 'green shoots' look to it which is very apt.

See it without the drop shadow?

Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Dragooon on October 18th, 2011, 08:41 AM
I am liking the current one on sidebar best.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 18th, 2011, 01:35 PM
I've updated post #722(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg269297/#msg269297) with more logos.
- wedgelogof is the current sidebar logo (still my favorite)
- petal3 and petal4 are variations of an earlier logo, using green this time. I also changed the font to Segoe UI which is slightly taller (you'd have to look close, though.) And the slogan is no longer in italics.
- I removed the logos that didn't really cut it.

If you think the current logo is perfect, then all is good. Other than that, you can say if you prefer the slogan's regular font, or the Segoe UI version of the wedge text, or one of the alternative petal symbols (they're the same, it's just that one has a small drop shadow on it.)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Jorin on October 18th, 2011, 01:55 PM
My favorite is simple_green, but wedgelevelf is also quite good. But the slogan seems a bit bold, could be a little lighter. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 18th, 2011, 01:59 PM
/meis still rooting for wedgelogof to be honest...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 18th, 2011, 03:08 PM
@Pete> That one isn't in the list..?
@Jorin> I take it you mean simply-green? It's pretty close to the current one indeed, with a slightly redder red, and no drop shadow. I should try and make a version with a very subtle drop shadow, I don't know... It used to be important because the logo was shown on top of a complex background, but I chose to go for a flat background now, so even the slogan doesn't have to be bold to be readable, so I should look into that as well.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 18th, 2011, 03:08 PM
Quote
@Pete> That one isn't in the list..?
You said that was the one currently in the sidebar... that's the one I like most compared to the other options that are there - but I can't tell you for why exactly.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 18th, 2011, 03:12 PM
The sidebar logo is wedgelevelf, not wedgelogof ;)

Sorry for all the silly filenames... My FTP connection usually logs me out after like 20 seconds of inactivity and it's very slow to navigate the top-level folder (because of the hundreds of files it has), so when I get to upload new files, I usually think of renaming them at the last moment and there you go, I can only think of stupid names in a few seconds ;)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 18th, 2011, 03:23 PM
Quote from Nao on October 18th, 2011, 03:12 PM
The sidebar logo is wedgelevelf, not wedgelogof ;)
Not according to post 748: :P
Quote from Nao on October 18th, 2011, 01:35 PM
I've updated post #722(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg269297/#msg269297) with more logos.
- wedgelogof is the current sidebar logo (still my favorite)...
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Sorry for all the silly filenames... My FTP connection usually logs me out after like 20 seconds of inactivity and it's very slow to navigate the top-level folder (because of the hundreds of files it has), so when I get to upload new files, I usually think of renaming them at the last moment and there you go, I can only think of stupid names in a few seconds ;)
Hrm, not sure what to suggest about that, other than putting it in another folder somewhere, and using SFTP rather than FTP (which expressly doesn't have the concept of chdir, you just set an absolute location instead)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 18th, 2011, 03:48 PM
- Oh... Sorry then ;)
- oh it's no biggie, I'm used to that, and it's only for uploading logos that I need to access the root...
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 26th, 2011, 02:56 PM
So the small logo was updated in the main files - perhaps the favicon needs updating as well?
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 26th, 2011, 03:27 PM
Yeah, and the badges too...

Although I haven't yet settled on the 'final' logo, hence my reluctance to update everything complicated like the badges or launching an icon editor to make the favicon :P

(Look at page 49, in the usual post... I added a few alternative font tests a few days ago. Didn't mention it because it looked better in the editor than resized in the browser I suppose :P)
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 26th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Quote
launching an icon editor to make the favicon
GIMP can save ico files :P

I have to admit I didn't notice the post had been updated, though I'm actually liking all the font combinations - they all work, with the one exception of the brown/blue colour pairing with the brown/green logo, that doesn't work so well, but all the fonts themselves do!
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 26th, 2011, 04:03 PM
Quote from Arantor on October 26th, 2011, 03:40 PM
I have to admit I didn't notice the post had been updated,
The point is precisely for me to test new logos without having anyone comment on them, or at least not within the next hour or so, leaving me enough time to remove those test logos I didn't like... :P (And yeah, I uploaded over there quite a good number of logos which I removed later.)
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though I'm actually liking all the font combinations - they all work, with the one exception of the brown/blue colour pairing with the brown/green logo, that doesn't work so well, but all the fonts themselves do!
Yup, the blue text one sucks, I only really like ca153.png in the list. And the small versions -- it's where it shines, I'd say. I think that particular font is better at small sizes than the Segoe UI I'm using in the current logo. However, the 'g' is a bit too busy for my taste. I tried using another font just for that particular letter (!) but didn't find anything convincing...
For what it's worth, my neighbor, who I discuss my logos with from time to time, likes petal3.png best. She hasn't seen the new font though. I'm still a bit torn between the two logos really. simply-green.png has my preference when it comes to color complementing themselves, but unfortunately I failed to saved that particular file so I'd have to rebuild it from a close color. Also, simply-green would need a subtle drop shadow at that size, but whenever I add one, even very transparent, it tends to ruin the other colors. Uh.

Not that it matters MUCH... :^^;:
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 26th, 2011, 04:10 PM
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Not that it matters MUCH...
It's no less important, really, than some of the hooks I've added today. Designing a logo is both art and science, because it reflects your creativity but it also indicates things to those observing it, and that early impression can be important too.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 27th, 2011, 11:26 AM
I'm not sure 'instinct' and 'creativity' always overlap... I trust my instincts more than my skills here.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 27th, 2011, 11:29 AM
Sure they do. Creativity is the manifestation of instinct.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 30th, 2011, 05:17 PM
Interesting idea to play with: http://iotic.com/averia/
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 30th, 2011, 05:37 PM
Looks like a blurry font as used in old typewriters... Funny.
Posted: October 30th, 2011, 05:37 PM

Actually 19th century style.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 30th, 2011, 07:04 PM
Well, it is a blurry font but because of how it was made, not because it was trying to be a 19th Century style by design. The story is rather interesting, actually.
Title: Re: [Archive] Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 5th, 2011, 12:32 PM
Post #722(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg269297/#msg269297) (the usual one) has a few extra logo attempts which I made in the last week or so... I figure it's time to ask for opinions since I've cleaned up the attachment list and removed the logos that really don't cut it for me.

- Variations on the text, using an Helvetica. There's also another font (in the two *ca153.png), Candara Italic (which is as close as I'll get to a Serif font), which doesn't look great in large size but looks quite a bit better in small format, so I only uploaded the small format version.

- The two-petal logo, still not giving up on this one...

- blocesque - A new 'orange wedge' logo (using our typical brownish color to stand for an orange so that we understand it's a "wedge" not a "slice" :P), inspired by Bloc's submission from last September. (I redid it in vector graphics.)

Any opinions...? Any faves?
Posted: November 5th, 2011, 12:27 PM

And completely unrelated, but... I'm pondering whether to simplify the sidebar by removing all backgrounds.
I like both... The complex version looks cooler on first look, but when the sidebar is very crowded, the simple version is probably easier to take. I can't make up my mind so... Maybe you guys have something to say about it :)

(BTW, the 'simple' version was done in two minutes. It can probably be tweaked.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on November 5th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Looking cool Nao :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 5th, 2011, 12:45 PM
What is looking cool, that's the question(s)... :^^;:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on November 5th, 2011, 12:50 PM
The thoughts feature and the simple sidebar :) I like the simple sidebar because it's more simple than the complex one :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 5th, 2011, 01:22 PM
I should probably mention that one of the alternative skins for Wedge already has a simplified sidebar-- Warm it is.

(Come to think of it -- it might be the first time I'm ever posting a Warm screenshot... ;) As you can see, the top bar is merged with the sidebar in this. And it only took a few seconds to do with the help of our new template system.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: and on November 5th, 2011, 02:00 PM
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Post #722(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/archive-logo-madness/msg269297/#msg269297)
Any opinions...? Any faves?
the last two - pacman  :lol: detected ?!........
Posted: November 5th, 2011, 01:48 PM

more like the one on complexside.png
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 5th, 2011, 03:00 PM
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I figure it's time to ask for opinions since I've cleaned up the attachment list and removed the logos that really don't cut it for me.
I still like simply-green and orig, as well as safe6, and any of those would be more than suitable, IMO. (The two tone text in safe6 sort of works for me depending on my mood, sometimes I like the emphasis on 'we' and sometimes I'd prefer the whole rather than a part to be emphasised)

*ca153 looks nice but the g seems out of place compared to the other letters.

I'm not a fan of bloceqsue, personally. I understand the mentality of the circle + wedge but it just doesn't really fit for me.
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And completely unrelated, but... I'm pondering whether to simplify the sidebar by removing all backgrounds.
I like both... The complex version looks cooler on first look, but when the sidebar is very crowded, the simple version is probably easier to take. I can't make up my mind so... Maybe you guys have something to say about it
As someone that's creating sidebar blocks pretty heavily in different projects I have to say that without some kind of visual cue between blocks, that's more than just a heavier header, it looks too jumbled together. The style on Noisen and here works quite well, I find.

I wouldn't be opposed to removing the border on the sidebar but leaving the bar headers in.

Note that I don't use Warm often and any time I've looked at it has been to look at the way the sidebar is outside the main content, as it were, not to look at how the sidebar blocks looked, though looking at your screenshot, the one thing I was getting at is taken into account: headers are not just heavier weight compared to the content but a different colour, which is important.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 5th, 2011, 03:38 PM
- Any opinion on the petals? I'm not sure...?
- simple-green works great as a favicon, BTW. So far it's the best result I've had when reducing a logo to 16x16 dimensions.
- The Candara font uses a classic 'g' that you'll find in pretty much every Serif font, where the upper circle is smaller and misaligned compared to the rest. This is something I always disliked, and the main issue with that font. I do like how its curves complement the petals, though.
- I wasn't too sure about blocesque. I like its simplicity, but perhaps it lacks a bit of 'soul'. Considering the 'orange wedge' was one of my original ideas... Maybe I just outgrew it. I mostly wanted to make various layouts with this logo (not simply 'logo followed with text'), but nothing struck me as interesting.
- I'll keep the sidebar the way it is for now, then. We can always rediscuss it later. Perhaps I'll make a Without Alcohol skin where I'm simplifying the overall style. (Who am I kidding... I'm already working on that :lol:)
- I don't use Warm a lot either, and that's mainly why I went crazy with it a few weeks ago. Plus, the whole 'sidebar put to the very left' thing was the perfect catalyst to start working on the template skeleton system. :)
- Actually it's Wuthering I like the least... It lacks personality. This is mainly because it started as Curve, then evolved progressively into Wine and I stopped halfway. I should probably make a REAL clone of Curve (perhaps using CSS3 only, like IIRC Fustrate very cleverly did a couple of years ago), and get rid of Wuthering. Then it would give me some extra space to make a 'Very simplistic skin' (à la WordPress default skins -- i.e. mostly white stuff, no backgrounds, no CSS effects, something to use as a base or something), and then another skin that would be used on Wedge.org exclusively. (Basically something halfway between Wine and Noisen...)
- I agree that just using bold on the headers is not enough. Warm not only uses a different color, but also a text shadow. Overall it's not THAT important though.

One of the things that's important, IMHO, is to be able to recognized the two main needs to change an ever-evolving skin or logo:
- actually prospecting ways to improve them...
- and being bored with the current version!

The latter can be tricky, because I've often seen a great design being given up in favor of something simpler that lacked personality. This is often a sign of boredom. It's not forbidden per se, but sometimes we designers need to be awakened :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 5th, 2011, 04:08 PM
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- Any opinion on the petals? I'm not sure...?
I dunno, they just don't quite work for me.
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- simple-green works great as a favicon, BTW. So far it's the best result I've had when reducing a logo to 16x16 dimensions.
Dooooooo eeeeeeet.
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- The Candara font uses a classic 'g' that you'll find in pretty much every Serif font, where the upper circle is smaller and misaligned compared to the rest. This is something I always disliked, and the main issue with that font. I do like how its curves complement the petals, though.
That's my point. The classic g in serif style is out of place in a sans-serif font, and as much as it looks out of place, it also looks like it's not meant to be there, as though it's an after thought not implemented cleanly.
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- I wasn't too sure about blocesque. I like its simplicity, but perhaps it lacks a bit of 'soul'. Considering the 'orange wedge' was one of my original ideas... Maybe I just outgrew it. I mostly wanted to make various layouts with this logo (not simply 'logo followed with text'), but nothing struck me as interesting.
It is an evolutionary process and I think you just outgrew it.
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- I'll keep the sidebar the way it is for now, then. We can always rediscuss it later. Perhaps I'll make a Without Alcohol skin where I'm simplifying the overall style.
Call it Tea. ;)
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- I don't use Warm a lot either, and that's mainly why I went crazy with it a few weeks ago. Plus, the whole 'sidebar put to the very left' thing was the perfect catalyst to start working on the template skeleton system.
As ever, necessity is the mother of invention ;)
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- Actually it's Wuthering I like the least... It lacks personality. This is mainly because it started as Curve, then evolved progressively into Wine and I stopped halfway. I should probably make a REAL clone of Curve (perhaps using CSS3 only, like IIRC Fustrate very cleverly did a couple of years ago), and get rid of Wuthering. Then it would give me some extra space to make a 'Very simplistic skin' (à la WordPress default skins -- i.e. mostly white stuff, no backgrounds, no CSS effects, something to use as a base or something), and then another skin that would be used on Wedge.org exclusively. (Basically something halfway between Wine and Noisen...)
To be brutally honest, I'd rather have a clone of 1.1's Core with a few subtle curves than have a clone of Curve. Don't get me wrong, Curve's nice enough but I'm just fed up of it, it just feels way too bland now it's sort of saturated. Core, though, never felt like that to me.

Having a unique site theme would be good, actually. I still miss the theme sm.org had back in 2009 before they updated and put Curve on it. It had some of the Curve vibe without actually being Curve.

Spoiler for anyone who doesn't remember. (It's the only picture I have, since I long since lost access to the theme files themselves...)

(click to show/hide)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt313/Arantor/Magic%20cards/SimpleMachines.jpg)

Yes, I designed this way back, as shown in http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=317545.msg2109090#msg2109090
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- I agree that just using bold on the headers is not enough. Warm not only uses a different color, but also a text shadow. Overall it's not THAT important though.
No, but it's the sort of detail that elevates a design from being good to great.
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One of the things that's important, IMHO, is to be able to recognized the two main needs to change an ever-evolving skin or logo:
- actually prospecting ways to improve them...
- and being bored with the current version!
If you're finding yourself unable to improve it in a given direction, it's usually a sign that the current direction is ultimately a dead end and that backtracking to find another direction is probably the answer.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Zootalaws on November 5th, 2011, 04:53 PM
I don't intend this to be a serious effort, but pissing around for 20mins produced this...

Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 6th, 2011, 01:22 AM
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- Any opinion on the petals? I'm not sure...?
I dunno, they just don't quite work for me.
Not at all? Too... girly, maybe?
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- simple-green works great as a favicon, BTW. So far it's the best result I've had when reducing a logo to 16x16 dimensions.
Dooooooo eeeeeeet.
The favicon is already done, I'm using it on my local install...
Do you mean uploading it on wedge.org?
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That's my point. The classic g in serif style is out of place in a sans-serif font,
In terms of typography history though, that 'g' is a staple, especially in the Humanist family. (Much less in Grotesque, except Franklin Gothic for instance.)
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- I'll keep the sidebar the way it is for now, then. We can always rediscuss it later. Perhaps I'll make a Without Alcohol skin where I'm simplifying the overall style.
Call it Tea. ;)
Well that wouldn't start with a W... :whistle:
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To be brutally honest, I'd rather have a clone of 1.1's Core with a few subtle curves than have a clone of Curve.
Hmm, sure... So, ditching Wuthering entirely and focusing on a Whore (sorry, Core :P) conversion...?
But I have to say, I haven't seen a Core in a long time... :^^;:
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Don't get me wrong, Curve's nice enough but I'm just fed up of it, it just feels way too bland now it's sort of saturated. Core, though, never felt like that to me.
The idea was simply to make it easier for SMF themers to start from a base they know well. I guess Core is also such a base...
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Having a unique site theme would be good, actually. I still miss the theme sm.org had back in 2009 before they updated and put Curve on it.
Heck, I miss the sm.org of yore... Circa 2003-2005 :lol:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050617025016/http://www.simplemachines.org/

Anyway...

I've updated the sidebar logo to use Helvetica + a slightly modified logo where the drop shadow is much, much more subtle. The slogan has also been updated to use Helvetica.
Go back to post #722 to compare with the earlier logo if you'd like. I'm taking a couple of days considering this one!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 6th, 2011, 02:09 AM
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Not at all? Too... girly, maybe?
No, it's not that, it's more that it just doesn't aesthetically work for me, and on a meta level, I get the feeling of things being misaligned (which usually means buggy)
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The favicon is already done, I'm using it on my local install...
Do you mean uploading it on wedge.org?
No, I meant making it the favicon in the main trunk :D
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In terms of typography history though, that 'g' is a staple, especially in the Humanist family. (Much less in Grotesque, except Franklin Gothic for instance.)
True enough - but it isn't in most sans-serif fonts and if it is, it's more subtle and understated than that.
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Well that wouldn't start with a W...
That's just not cricket!
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Hmm, sure... So, ditching Wuthering entirely and focusing on a Whore (sorry, Core ) conversion...?
But I have to say, I haven't seen a Core in a long time...
I still use Core on at least two sites, even though 2.0 is installed.
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The idea was simply to make it easier for SMF themers to start from a base they know well. I guess Core is also such a base...
It's no better or worse a base than Curve, and frankly it's not really that consistent to Curve anyway now with all the HTML5 and <we> changes.
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Heck, I miss the sm.org of yore... Circa 2003-2005
That's before my time but looks nice enough.
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Anyway...

I've updated the sidebar logo to use Helvetica + a slightly modified logo where the drop shadow is much, much more subtle. The slogan has also been updated to use Helvetica.
Go back to post #722 to compare with the earlier logo if you'd like. I'm taking a couple of days considering this one!
Yeah, I think I will leave it a few days to let it sink in.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 6th, 2011, 11:19 AM
(Please hover the logo in the sidebar to see the old one. I added this so they can be easily compared :P)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 6th, 2011, 02:09 PM
Quote from Nao on November 6th, 2011, 11:19 AM
(Please hover the logo in the sidebar to see the old one. I added this so they can be easily compared :P)
Nice :)

The shadow is less pronounced in the new one, which works for me, as well as the newer font (somehow the italics just didn't work quite as well as they might have)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on November 7th, 2011, 08:58 PM
I liked the forward movement of the old logo (more pronounced shadow and italics) however I am more drawn to the new slightly more subtle shadow and stronger font. Good work Nao.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron on November 7th, 2011, 10:04 PM
Quote from godboko71 on November 7th, 2011, 08:58 PM
I am more drawn to the new slightly more subtle shadow and stronger font. Good work Nao.
This. I really like the new logo's clean looks. Well done.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 7th, 2011, 10:34 PM
Logo or text?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 9th, 2011, 03:33 PM
Okay, now that we've established the text font, I've updated the 'hover' logo with the petal version.
Please comment!
(It's not pixel-perfect like the previous logo... That's because I re-used the old file, instead of making a new one. Too time consuming.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on November 9th, 2011, 03:44 PM
Definitely the default image for me.
The rollover image is not as tidy - but even if you modified it,  I prefer the default 'petals'.
Billy
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on November 9th, 2011, 05:39 PM
I like the default better, not sure why though.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 9th, 2011, 05:54 PM
Okay, two opinions is good enough, so I ditched it... I replaced it with a quickly made variation. The petals are now smaller, they fit the font's main text size, and I changed the font to something more 'natural'[1], to match the idea.
I think it's better than my previous attempt at using the petals. (Oh, and also I added a subtle inner glow on the lower petal.)
 1. Andika(http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Andika-Basic)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on November 9th, 2011, 06:03 PM
Now your getting somewhere with the petals. Part of me wants the text colors to be the opposite like in the default, however I almost think that's just because of the hover effect. I love the scale and sizing.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on November 9th, 2011, 07:43 PM
Good job, Nao
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: AngelinaBelle on November 9th, 2011, 09:11 PM
In http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgecal2.png, I like the subtle inner glow and all that, but I have to say -- it looks like a little moth with folded wings, not much like a wedge.

It is pretty, and the colors are "green".  This is a big change in attitude from the "big wedge splitting the entire world" you had once upon a time.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 9th, 2011, 09:16 PM
I'm a softie at heart. I cried at the end of the last Harry Potter.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 9th, 2011, 10:42 PM
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I'm a softie at heart. I cried at the end of the last Harry Potter.
OK, open time. Each year we watch The Snowman. Each year, I feel myself shedding a tear. Oh, and one almost got shed when Tennant regenerated. ALMOST.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 9th, 2011, 11:37 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 9th, 2011, 10:42 PM
OK, open time. Each year we watch The Snowman. Each year, I feel myself shedding a tear.
Hard not to shed a tear for this one. Especially after THAT song :P
(And yes it's a typical British tradition to watch The Snowman. It's totally unknown in France. Thankfully I've got one part British blood in my family-in-law ;))
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Oh, and one almost got shed when Tennant regenerated. ALMOST.
I wouldn't know where to start when it comes to making me cry systematically... The ending of Batman The Animated Series' Babydoll episode. The Quantum Leap scene with Georgia on my Mind. The last few minutes of The Killer (well, at the time at least.) And every other Saint Seiya episode. (You wouldn't understand. My entire youth is in Saint Seiya... I wouldn't be where I am without it.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 9th, 2011, 11:42 PM
A few comparisons...

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3354;image)



(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgecal2.png)



(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgelogo.png)

Any opinions? (The last two are what you see in the sidebar.)

First one has these differences: it uses the 'square logo' color set for the logo (I had some trouble getting it correct. It's still a bit too bright.) The logo is slightly skewed (now it'll either look more like a petal than ever... Or more like water splashing :P), and the font I used is Calibri Bold (as a test).
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 9th, 2011, 11:55 PM
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Hard not to shed a tear for this one. Especially after THAT song
If you're paying attention, they fly from somewhere just north of Brighton (and fly directly over Brighton)... which is virtually where I live...
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And yes it's a typical British tradition to watch The Snowman. It's totally unknown in France.
The British do strange things, but awesome ones :)
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I wouldn't know where to start when it comes to making me cry systematically...
Other than that episode of DW, I don't tend to cry much at TV.
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Any opinions? (The last two are what you see in the sidebar.)
I like the font on the 'petal' logo most, while I like the square logo most. The petal part itself makes me think as though the lower part seems more floppy and unable to support the upper part, while the middle logo looks like the pieces have fallen off the wall, as it were.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 10th, 2011, 11:11 AM
Quote from Arantor on November 9th, 2011, 11:55 PM
If you're paying attention, they fly from somewhere just north of Brighton (and fly directly over Brighton)... which is virtually where I live...
Okay, the only landmark I know of in Brighton, if I'm not mistaken, is that casino in the sea (?), or building anyway, connected to the land by a bridge... And I don't remember seeing that in HP. Was that in the bank escape scene? I thought they were dropped in Scotland or something... It always feels like Hogwarts is in the Highlands, especially given that in episode 3 they actually shot many scenes in the valley where Rob Roy fought battles or something, IIRC.
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The British do strange things, but awesome ones :)
Starting with great children's cartoons! I also loved The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe... That cheap BBC film from the late 70's. It had a really great soundtrack (and it was recently released on CD :)).
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I wouldn't know where to start when it comes to making me cry systematically...
Other than that episode of DW, I don't tend to cry much at TV.
That's what I'm saying... I'm the girlish one here :P
I didn't cry much during movies when I was a kid but they tended to stick into my mind (e.g. the final scenes in The Black Cauldron at the movies), but then when I turned 13 I started rooting for anime shows with a tendency for emotional scenes... For those who ever watched Captain Tsubasa/Olive & Tom, a silly football anime, there was this guy who actually had an heart attack during a match, the picture turned black & white, it was a very emotional couple of minutes. The guy recovered after that, but the show never did, it just turned into mindless matches. Then I had this show, Creamy Mami, about a girl who can magically turn into an adult singer singing cheesy songs (yeah................. even at 13 it felt a bit childish), it just had nice characters and halfway into the show, they had a few episodes where the girl lost her power while stuck in her adult form, it was a heart-breaking episode. Well, to me anyway. Then I discovered Saint Seiya... Well, I gave up on trying to interest you into anime (you never followed up on Paranoia Agent etc), but when it comes to anime soundtracks, you can't do better than StS. Just look at the 16:10 mark in episode 57(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyyX-Fk2t64#). You probably won't get what's happening because there's no English dub or sub available on YouTube (the blond guy is fighting the blue-haired guy and progressively removing his five senses, while the blue-haired guy tries to get him to understand he's fighting for justice blahblahblah), but the music...! My oh my. It still turns me into a wimp, even now. This particular episode, directed by Shigeyasu Yamauchi, turned me into the #1 French fan of him. He's greatly revered in the director community because he's as close to an 'innovator' as you could describe him, but sadly he's overseen by everyone else. Nowadays, he has to rely on his ex-assistants turned stars (thanks to his teachings), to give him a job. Sigh.

Anyway... End of my rant.
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Any opinions? (The last two are what you see in the sidebar.)
I like the font on the 'petal' logo most, while I like the square logo most. The petal part itself makes me think as though the lower part seems more floppy and unable to support the upper part, while the middle logo looks like the pieces have fallen off the wall, as it were.
Lol... I guess everyone here will have their own interpretation of the logo ;)
Okay, I tried for a monochrome version with a slight modification of the upper 'petal', and a different font (not that it matters much but I like this one, too)... How about that?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 10th, 2011, 11:26 AM
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Okay, the only landmark I know of in Brighton, if I'm not mistaken, is that casino in the sea (?), or building anyway, connected to the land by a bridge...
That's Brighton Pier. (It's in The Snowman, as is the Taj Mahal-styled 'Brighton Pavilion')
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Starting with great children's cartoons! I also loved The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe... That cheap BBC film from the late 70's
I must have missed that somewhere.
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And I don't remember seeing that in HP. Was that in the bank escape scene? I thought they were dropped in Scotland or something...
Hogwarts is implied in the books to be in Scotland, and principle filming of the castle in the films is at Alnwick Castle(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnwick_Castle) which is not far from the Scottish border.
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Okay, I tried for a monochrome version with a slight modification of the upper 'petal'... How about that?
It doesn't have the 'weak' feeling I was getting at before, nor the 'falling off the wall' feeling... I don't particularly like it but I can't tell you why :/
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 10th, 2011, 11:43 AM
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Okay, the only landmark I know of in Brighton, if I'm not mistaken, is that casino in the sea (?), or building anyway, connected to the land by a bridge...
That's Brighton Pier. (It's in The Snowman, as is the Taj Mahal-styled 'Brighton Pavilion')
Oh... Sorry, we were just talking about HP, I mixed it up.
Now I seem to remember that they fly by it in TS, indeed. It totally slipped my mind...
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Starting with great children's cartoons! I also loved The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe... That cheap BBC film from the late 70's
I must have missed that somewhere.
I'm not sure it'd have the same effect on you today as it had on me at the time... :P
It's that film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079474/
Although it doesn't seem to be from the Beebs in the end...
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Hogwarts is implied in the books to be in Scotland, and principle filming of the castle in the films is at Alnwick Castle(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnwick_Castle) which is not far from the Scottish border.
Couldn't have told it was the same castle as in Black Adder! :lol:
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It doesn't have the 'weak' feeling I was getting at before, nor the 'falling off the wall' feeling... I don't particularly like it but I can't tell you why :/
Because it's black? :P
I went for something drastically different, obviously...
And I kinda like it, BTW.

Not that it matters much. We have all the time in the world to find a logo. Holy cow, it's one of the few cases where, even though it could be annoying that it'll be finished either tomorrow or in 6 months, I don't mind at all and I really enjoy working on this. Plus I really appreciate being able to learn how to manipulate vector graphics. I read a lot of tutorials and I like that. I think that's the high point of my logo/typography training.
Posted: November 10th, 2011, 11:40 AM

:edit: with colouuurs...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 10th, 2011, 11:53 AM
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Oh... Sorry, we were just talking about HP, I mixed it up.
Now I seem to remember that they fly by it in TS, indeed. It totally slipped my mind...
Interestingly, if you look at the presents, one of the tags says Brighton on it :)
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I'm not sure it'd have the same effect on you today as it had on me at the time...
Probably not. But then again I'm strange anyway. People still find it hard to believe that I laughed hard at the Exorcist because it was just so ridiculous.
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Although it doesn't seem to be from the Beebs in the end...
The Beeb[1] did do an adaptation of TLTWaTW at some point and that was my first exposure to Narnia. I have the books, I have the recent film adaptation of TLTWaTW but I never seem to find the time to actually experience them.

Hmm, maybe I should try audio books.
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Couldn't have told it was the same castle as in Black Adder!
I certainly didn't realise because the shots are vastly different, and there's extra towers and CGI going on in HP. That said, there aren't exactly many long shots of the castle in TBA[2].
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Because it's black?
Although black is an awesome colour, pure black has no contrast, no subtlety, no variation. These things are needed, IMO.
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Not that it matters much. We have all the time in the world to find a logo. Holy cow, it's one of the few cases where, even though it could be annoying that it'll be finished either tomorrow or in 6 months, I don't mind at all and I really enjoy working on this. Plus I really appreciate being able to learn how to manipulate vector graphics. I read a lot of tutorials and I like that. I think that's the high point of my logo/typography training.
It helps to have some sense of style and art about you when doing such things but it sounds like you're really enjoying what you're doing; I know full well that if I were to try such things, I'd only end up getting very frustrated. With me, I can visualise many things but I lack the tools and/or the skill to realise them, and I don't know how to go about getting that skill. I can craft almost anything out of code but to draw a picture? Out of my league.
 1. Or, Auntie, as she is often known for some reason.
 2. First season is actually The Black Adder, while later ones are Blackadder II, Blackadder The Third and Blackadder Goes Forth. I'm not entirely sure why the name was changed to remove the space but I wouldn't be surprised if the change of writer was involved. Atkinson wrote the first season but 2-4 were co-written with Richard Curtis. There was also a Christmas special, parodying A Christmas Carol. But there was only ONE Christmas special, you hear me? ONE!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 10th, 2011, 12:18 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 10th, 2011, 11:53 AM
Interestingly, if you look at the presents, one of the tags says Brighton on it :)
I failed to watch TS last Christmas so I guess I only watched it once, at Christmas 2009... :^^;:
Will definitely re-watch it this year.
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Probably not. But then again I'm strange anyway. People still find it hard to believe that I laughed hard at the Exorcist because it was just so ridiculous.
I never watched the thing, so I wouldn't know. I never even bothered with the main tune. At the time. Heck, even today, I think it's by far the weakest part of The Tubular Bells... :^^;: (Probably the most interesting part of it, is the fact that it's loosely inspired by a rather interesting French composer who was recording at the Manor at the same time.)
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did do an adaptation of TLTWaTW at some point and that was my first exposure to Narnia.
Yeah, I think I have it somewhere but it has no subtitles or something, so I never watched it...
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I have the books, I have the recent film adaptation of TLTWaTW but I never seem to find the time to actually experience them.
Me neither. Anything that was made to offer counter-programming to Harry Potter doesn't strike me as made with love, unlike the animated movie I mentioned, which with its very tight budget managed to do something interesting.
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First season is actually The Black Adder, while later ones are Blackadder II, Blackadder The Third and Blackadder Goes Forth. I'm not entirely sure why the name was changed to remove the space but I wouldn't be surprised if the change of writer was involved. Atkinson wrote the first season but 2-4 were co-written with Richard Curtis. There was also a Christmas special, parodying A Christmas Carol. But there was only ONE Christmas special, you hear me? ONE!
I know about the names, hey I watched the show this year, I probably mentioned it :P
In France it's just called "Black Adder - La Vipère Noire(http://www.amazon.fr/dp/B000087JPW/)" for the entire show, and most promotional material actually spells it Blackadder. They... Are just unsure :P
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Although black is an awesome colour, pure black has no contrast, no subtlety, no variation. These things are needed, IMO.
'Pure' colors are good for size reduction, and particularly good to establish a brand, I'd say (Nike and stuff.) I'm still not a specialist though... Is it better in color?
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I can visualise many things but I lack the tools and/or the skill to realise them,
Because you think I had the tools and skills to begin with...? A few months ago I had never even touched a vector graphics program... ;)
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and I don't know how to go about getting that skill. I can craft almost anything out of code but to draw a picture? Out of my league.
The main point with vectors, is that you can work in an iterative way like in code: you start doing a rough drawing, then you add elements, remove others, essentially you add 'steps' to the picture, it's like coding. "Okay, first you draw this line, then you distort it with that effect, then you color it that way, then you add a mask around here to hide that bit, then you add a drop shadow at 50%... Oh, it's too much, I'll edit that step... 25%, that's better. Hmmn but what if I did the drop shadow before I added the mask? I'll just move it one step earlier... Good... And what does it do if I move the line this way?"

It's basically trial and error. And you just put the finger on it (probably just a French expression), I like this because it's like coding!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 10th, 2011, 12:30 PM
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I failed to watch TS last Christmas so I guess I only watched it once, at Christmas 2009...
It's about the most 'Christmassy' I get each year. I mean, while I have a 7ft tree in the house... it's BLACK. Not green, not sodding festive, it's black. It's imposing and awesome.
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I never watched the thing, so I wouldn't know. I never even bothered with the main tune. At the time. Heck, even today, I think it's by far the weakest part of The Tubular Bells...
*shrug* I prefer Tubular Bells II to the first album, III was fairly awful IMO, but the amusement factor for me wasn't the music at all, it's just the way the dialogue is written.
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Yeah, I think I have it somewhere but it has no subtitles or something, so I never watched it...
It's not bad, from what I remember of it.
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Me neither. Anything that was made to offer counter-programming to Harry Potter doesn't strike me as made with love, unlike the animated movie I mentioned, which with its very tight budget managed to do something interesting.
I don't think it was intentionally made as counter-programming to HP, but it was certainly up against it. Mind you, if you're going to play the vs-HP game, explain LoTR: FotR which came out in cinemas around the same time as HP1 did... :whistle:

That's the thing about the BBC, incidentally. Sure, yes, recent DW has relatively big budgets etc, but part of the appeal is that its budget isn't huge and the people involved do care about what they do, and the same is true of all the BBC drama productions, especially costume/period dramas (as opposed to contemporous dramas)
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and most promotional material actually spells it Blackadder. They... Are just unsure
All promotional material I can find after the second season debuted refers to it as Blackadder, it is only that first season.
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'Pure' colors are good for size reduction, and particularly good to establish a brand, I'd say (Nike and stuff.) I'm still not a specialist though... Is it better in color?
It's better in colour.
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Because you think I had the tools and skills to begin with...? A few months ago I had never even touched a vector graphics program...
No, but you get less frustrated than I do with trying new tools. No matter what toys I find to play with, I always end up coming back to my comfort zone.
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The main point with vectors, is that you can work in an iterative way like in code
You can do that in GIMP but my problem is precision. I don't like working particularly iteratively, as it were. I tend to think about the structure and overall parts first, then fill in the gaps, then iterate on what I had. The art equivalent is taking a landscape, dividing it up with composition, then painting small areas at a time rather than iteratively creating the whole thing.
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It's basically trial and error. And you just put the finger on it (probably just a French expression), I like this because it's like coding!
No, not just a French expression ;) Whereas I've tried working on vector images, and I find it easier to hack up SVG *by hand in code* than I do to manipulate it the same way in Inkscape. I tried.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on November 11th, 2011, 12:03 AM
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Starting with great children's cartoons! I also loved The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe... That cheap BBC film from the late 70's
Disney made their own version in circa '05.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 11th, 2011, 02:01 AM
Quote from Arantor on November 10th, 2011, 12:30 PM
*shrug* I prefer Tubular Bells II to the first album,
Who doesn't :P
Oh well, TB2 is 'easy listening' in comparison. But one thing that's worth listening to is TB2003, where Oldfield re-recorded the album with John Cleese as the instrument announcer. Works really well. But I'm a sucker for part 2 (side B) of TB1. I think it's more interesting, albeit less 'progressive'.
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explain LoTR: FotR which came out in cinemas around the same time as HP1 did... :whistle:
They shot all 3 movies before they released the first one... So HP1 wasn't first ;)
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That's the thing about the BBC, incidentally. Sure, yes, recent DW has relatively big budgets etc, but part of the appeal is that its budget isn't huge and the people involved do care about what they do, and the same is true of all the BBC drama productions, especially costume/period dramas (as opposed to contemporous dramas)
Of recent memory, I loved Jane Austen's 'Persuasion', the 2007 version. Probably mentioned it around here...
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'Pure' colors are good for size reduction, and particularly good to establish a brand, I'd say (Nike and stuff.) I'm still not a specialist though... Is it better in color?
It's better in colour.
Could you take a look at the black logo and try to color it the way you want...? Shouldn't be too hard...?
I'm still not convinced that the other attempt was any good. Too bright. Below is another attempt with darker colors and yet another font (the font was just for the fun of it.)
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No, but you get less frustrated than I do with trying new tools. No matter what toys I find to play with, I always end up coming back to my comfort zone.
And again... Me too ;)
Heck, haven't been to the doctor in 10 years, even though my health is at a low and has been for some time...
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The main point with vectors, is that you can work in an iterative way like in code
You can do that in GIMP
Really?

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgecal2.png)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 11th, 2011, 02:06 AM
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Oh well, TB2 is 'easy listening' in comparison. But one thing that's worth listening to is TB2003, where Oldfield re-recorded the album with John Cleese as the instrument announcer. Works really well. But I'm a sucker for part 2 (side B) of TB1. I think it's more interesting, albeit less 'progressive'.
Hmm, might have to go find that.
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They shot all 3 movies before they released the first one... So HP1 wasn't first
Didn't say it was, but it was certainly released at the time when Pottermania was pretty high generally and it did provide some stiff competition.
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Of recent memory, I loved Jane Austen's 'Persuasion', the 2007 version. Probably mentioned it around here...
Hmm, haven't seen that.
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Could you take a look at the black logo and try to color it the way you want...? Shouldn't be too hard...?
I'm still not convinced that the other attempt was any good. Too bright. Below is another attempt with darker colors and yet another font (the font was just for the fun of it.)
Am a bit tired right now, but will play with it.
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Heck, haven't been to the doctor in 10 years, even though my health is at a low and has been for some time...
I need to go see a physician at least, if not a regular doctor, I gotta see a chiropractor, my neck and shoulders are beyond a joke right now.

But that says to me you need to take a break.
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Really?
You can certainly work iteratively in GIMP with layers, and if you're really crazy you can script things with Script-Fu however learning Scheme is not in my to do list.

Heck, I'd rather work on SVG by hand or use PHP ahead of that...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: AngelinaBelle on November 11th, 2011, 05:20 PM
Please, you two, don't ruin your neck and shoulders by hunching over your keyboard all the time.
Wedge is great stuff, but not worth ruining your health!

Take care of yourself, both of you. Go outside and run around. Eat right. Sleep properly.
Now this is THOUROUGHLY off-topic. Sorry.

Best
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 11th, 2011, 05:42 PM
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Please, you two, don't ruin your neck and shoulders by hunching over your keyboard all the time.
My neck and shoulders have been damaged for some time, due to an activity I carried out years ago that distinctly did not involve computers... I'm actually better sat at my desk than I am - say - on the sofa, because I have a well designed chair.

I don't think me running around is a particularly nice sight either... and proper sleep, sadly, has eluded me for a long time. 6 hours is a blessing these days.

(Off topic is absolutely fine. :))
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: AngelinaBelle on November 14th, 2011, 09:42 PM
I apologize for assuming bad keyboard ergonomics were the cause of the problem. I was speaking out of ignorance.

The part about getting outdoors, tending to your health, eating properly, and making every effort to sleep properly -- that still applies, and is the same advice I give to my kids. Take care, both of you.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 14th, 2011, 10:52 PM
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I apologize for assuming bad keyboard ergonomics were the cause of the problem. I was speaking out of ignorance.
There's no need to apologise; it's an assumption that's commonly made and in most cases it's both justified and accurate, because most of the people who I used to regularly bump into at the chiropractors fell into three groups: those there because of some previous issue and they continue to go because they feel better for it, those that go because of a sporting or other physical trauma, and those who go because they don't know how to set up a workspace ergonomically. I find myself surprised how many people are in the latter group.

Mind you, my old chiropractor, before he left, was awesome. He didn't just treat people, he actually did spinal adjustments on dogs too. Then he left. >_<

As for me, I've been a computer user and student of ergonomics long enough to know by now what works and what does, to the point of spending £150 on a desk and almost £400 on a chair. It also helps that at one point in my old career, I was a health & safety assessor, temporarily, within the company's facilities department.[1]
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The part about getting outdoors, tending to your health, eating properly, and making every effort to sleep properly -- that still applies, and is the same advice I give to my kids. Take care, both of you.
The outdoors... that has light... the light it burns it burns!! Seriously, though, I go for a walk most days, and I have actually been eating better lately, but it's something of a conscious struggle because I've never been that bothered with food, as it were.

But, as I've privately opined lately, as much as I'm still busy as heck, I'm also consciously taking a break by playing games a lot more than I used to. The last thing I need is me burning out. I've been burned out before, took a lot to rekindle the flame.
 1. Long story, but although it was technically a demotion after a big company fuck-up which was at least partly my fault, I got moved to facilities. Best two months I had in the 5 years I was there, as it turned out. I learned so much that I still make use of now, several years on.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: AngelinaBelle on November 15th, 2011, 07:51 PM
Quote from Arantor on November 14th, 2011, 10:52 PM
..taking a break by playing games a lot more than I used to.
Games outside. Think of your vitamin D.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 15th, 2011, 08:00 PM
The amount of cloud cover and crappy weather in this country, it's almost not worth the effort.

Besides, at 28, I feel a bit old to be cavorting outside like someone less than half my age...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: AngelinaBelle on November 15th, 2011, 08:17 PM
Oh, I own shirts older than you are! Polo, frisbee-golf, footie, gardening, modern interpretive dance, cavorting. It's all good. Maybe your friend Bryan can help you find something suitably dignified to do out-of-doors.

And now that you know I'm nearly old enough to be your mother, it's time for me to drop the motherly advice.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 15th, 2011, 09:30 PM
But not old enough to be mine ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: AngelinaBelle on November 15th, 2011, 11:25 PM
Not so much, no.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on November 15th, 2011, 11:38 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 17th, 2011, 11:22 PM
Post #802(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/msg270484/#msg270484) has plenty of logos for you to look into...
I think it's time to ask if there's something you like better ;)
I'll give you my personal favourites, from best to the rest: safe82 (because of safe82s, which is the current minilogo in your signatures), wedgechroma, wedgech2, wedgechroma2.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: DoctorMalboro on November 18th, 2011, 03:18 AM
I'm loving the logo improvements!

Every new idea looks great, keep it like that CJ!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 18th, 2011, 08:36 AM


CJ?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on November 18th, 2011, 12:48 PM
Quote from DoctorMalboro on November 18th, 2011, 03:18 AM
Every new idea looks great, keep it like that CJ!
:lol: I didn't post any ideas or suggestion for a while.
Posted: November 18th, 2011, 12:41 PM

The current logo resembles Zend (http://www.zend.com/) .
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 20th, 2011, 12:52 PM
I don't think it does... (?)

@Bloc> I'm not surprised you like it. Same reasons for me :) And this particular logo has enough of a 'unique' shape to bear being shown in a single color.

@all> Bumping for more opinions... Also, I updated the sidebar logo (and its hover version) with the new font, and I'd like to get feedback on it, and the logo, etc... Anyway, anything that makes me go back to work on this would be good. :P

@OT: Currently working on finishing the Thought system's ajax interaction. It's 90% done but I'll be gone for the afternoon.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 20th, 2011, 01:43 PM
Actually, yeah, I can see the resemblance, especially if you desaturate the pieces, because then you get essentially a / shape in the negative space, which is the underpinning of Zend's logo - they also have the top and bottom bars of the Z, but also in negative space.

Like the new logo, prefer the non-hover version, font is awesome.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 21st, 2011, 08:06 AM
Okay, I'll be playing with it more...
I'm in love with the 'small' version (the one in your sig), not so much the large version, but it's probably something really tiny that's bothering me, I'll try to put my finger on it...
Got a strange one here... I'm sure it'll fall flat but whatever, it's funny enough ;)
Posted: November 20th, 2011, 11:13 PM

Bump :P

Maybe if I swapped the colors?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 21st, 2011, 08:47 PM
:P

Homescreen much? We need one.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on November 21st, 2011, 11:12 PM
Quote from Bloc on November 21st, 2011, 09:02 PM
Quote from Nao on November 21st, 2011, 08:06 AM
Okay, I'll be playing with it more...
I'm in love with the 'small' version (the one in your sig), not so much the large version, but it's probably something really tiny that's bothering me, I'll try to put my finger on it...
Got a strange one here... I'm sure it'll fall flat but whatever, it's funny enough ;)
Posted: November 20th, 2011, 11:13 PM

Bump :P

Maybe if I swapped the colors?
Colors doesn't do anything for me..but I like better these shapes, than the round(ish) ones.
(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3382;image)
Those shape sure like wedges, wedging each other (in a good way).
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2011, 08:37 AM
Just to let you guys know that I've grown tired of the current logos, and I've been reviewing the last 30 pages of this topic, and making a selection of my 'favorite' logos (including a few by 3 other members), and now I'm actually/currently exploring two directions: (1) the last few logos using the wedge ship (hey there), (2) WEDGE instead of wedge. Might end up finding a good one... Especially in the G department.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on November 28th, 2011, 12:55 PM
 :sob: Bet it feels a bit like -

Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel that's turning running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind!

 :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Oh, well, you know guys that you can make me stop anytime... :P

Plus, it's not like I'm preventing anyone from lobbying for their own fave logo!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on November 28th, 2011, 04:45 PM
Quote from Nao on November 28th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Oh, well, you know guys that you can make me stop anytime... :P
Plus, it's not like I'm preventing anyone from lobbying for their own fave logo!
Nope, you carry on Nao  :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: ethankcvds on November 28th, 2011, 06:19 PM
Quote from Nao on November 28th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Oh, well, you know guys that you can make me stop anytime... :P

Plus, it's not like I'm preventing anyone from lobbying for their own fave logo!
I've actually liked all the logo's I've seen so far.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2011, 06:33 PM
They're all good. But I keep thinking the Wedge logo should kick ass :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on November 28th, 2011, 07:16 PM
It should kick ass as much as Wedge does.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: AngelinaBelle on December 1st, 2011, 05:04 PM
Sounds painful
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on December 1st, 2011, 05:20 PM
SMF kicks ass in its own ways too... Just not as hard as perhaps it might.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on December 2nd, 2011, 12:46 AM
You mean arse? not ass!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on December 2nd, 2011, 12:56 AM
Sure I mean arse, but I was in a hurry earlier.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 15th, 2011, 10:22 PM
Posted a few new logo tests on the previous page yesterday... Meh, black text doesn't look good in large size -- only in small size. Anyway, my 'favorite' out of my recent tries is currently shown when hovering the website's logo in the sidebar. You can also see a small size version in my signature.
Any opinions?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron on December 16th, 2011, 01:36 PM
Hmm, my personal favourite is still (http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3377;image), though I like (http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3382;image) too ... Not a fan its the recent blue/grey variant, though, sorry.

Out of interest, what's the font used in the logos above? :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 16th, 2011, 04:43 PM
Well, you don't have to feel sorry for anything, on the contrary I'd much rather get negative feedback than no feedback at all... :whistle:
Anyway -- I understand about the colors, but the font choice?

Which brings me to this: the font you point out is DIN OT, a big classic of 20th century typography. It is, however, customized by myself. The 'w' is narrower than in the original and the 'g' is stretched vertically to match the size of the 'd' ring.
The font in the current test version is part of the humanist family, like Segoe UI or the older Frutiger. They all tend to look like each other after a while ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 17th, 2011, 09:11 AM
Bimp bomp bump. Font opinions.

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgech2i.png)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on December 17th, 2011, 11:24 AM
I like the fonts used in the last few - but I don't have anything specific to add. I'm just not that hot on typography :/
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 17th, 2011, 02:38 PM
Really, at this point all fonts seen in the last couple of months are 'good' in terms of typography -- whether it be Helvetica Neue, Coolvetica, Segoe, PT Sans, DIN OT, and many others... They're all 'established' fonts that work well in display (i.e. as logo fonts). The difference is made by subtle changes in the 'default' settings, such as slightly modifying the kerning. It can break or make a logo. For instance, the DIN OT version I have works wonders in small size, it's like the 'perfect' font, but in large size I think it's slightly not as effective as a humanist/grotesque font. While with my latest test, it doesn seem to work great in full size, and work pretty nicely too in small size... That's why I bothered to bump the topic after spending some time dormant :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 19th, 2011, 12:42 PM
Yesterday I uploaded a replacement of the current logo, where the DIN OT font is now replaced with the newer one. Hovering the logo uncovers the alternative logo (same font), and I have to say I really like it more than the square one... Which is a bit of a bother because the square logo works better as a favicon, but anyway, what matters is not 'what works best', but 'what feels right'. I'll still give it a few days of thought but I think I'm close to the end of my search...

In the meantime, I'd like you all to give your opinions and vote for your fave logo. If you really like one logo better than prefer the colors of the other logo, feel free to specify it. Otherwise you can just vote and not comment, as you like. ;) And of course, you can also change your mind later, like I often do :P

Thanks for participating!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on December 19th, 2011, 02:22 PM
I voted for the second logo. Even though the first would make a better fav.ico the second  is much more modern. Also, the colours seem to work better with the current Wedge skin. I see it as a wedge with a shadow which is far better than the petals I have voted for in the past.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 20th, 2011, 08:04 PM
(Bump for more votes. 20 would be good.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 22nd, 2011, 11:35 PM
Okay... So, unexpectedly, our clear winner is the second logo!

To anyone who voted-- is it mainly because of the color, or because of the shape? Just curious...!

I've updated the sidebar and footer logos to match the new choice. Also, Wedge is up to date with the logo because I committed it a few days ago already. ;)

As for the favicon, I think I'll stay with the current one on this website (it's our very first logo, it 'means' something too), not sure yet about the group badges -- Pete and I's is using the new icon, while all others are still using the old ship. I like the old ship, too, because of the shadow and all... Well, it doesn't matter THAT much anyway eheh.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: ['Daniel'] on December 23rd, 2011, 12:55 AM
I like both but I prefer the second one mostly because of the shape, the color is nice, more subtle, but the shape is what gets me.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on December 23rd, 2011, 01:47 AM
My choise is based on:
1e shape
2e color
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Marcus Forsberg on December 25th, 2011, 02:47 PM
Quote from Nao on December 22nd, 2011, 11:35 PM
To anyone who voted-- is it mainly because of the color, or because of the shape? Just curious...!
I love the shape off the second one, and the colour is subtle and nice, but it kinda reminds me a lot of Curve/SMF. That might be a good thing, considering, or it might not. Frankly I'm sick of that light blue from having stared at Curve a hundred billion times.

I'm a fan of the green colour on the first one, though, (I actually voted for it at first) so I'd love to see the second shape with the first colour scheme, if that makes sense. A little more subtleness may be desirable, though.

Just as a disclaimer I haven't followed all 57 pages of this topic. In fact I read barely none of them.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 25th, 2011, 03:40 PM
Quote from Marcus Forsberg on December 25th, 2011, 02:47 PM
I love the shape off the second one, and the colour is subtle and nice, but it kinda reminds me a lot of Curve/SMF.
I didn't even notice...
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That might be a good thing, considering, or it might not.
I think it's a good thing. Although it'd probably have been better if it had been voluntary :P
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Frankly I'm sick of that light blue from having stared at Curve a hundred billion times.
If you've seen the screenshots -- Wedge doesn't like Curve, by far...
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I'm a fan of the green colour on the first one, though, (I actually voted for it at first) so I'd love to see the second shape with the first colour scheme, if that makes sense. A little more subtleness may be desirable, though.
I think there are several similar versions of it in the latest few pages of the topic...?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Marcus Forsberg on December 25th, 2011, 03:47 PM
Quote from Nao on December 25th, 2011, 03:40 PM
I didn't even notice...
Might very well just be me, then.
Quote from Nao on December 25th, 2011, 03:40 PM
I think it's a good thing. Although it'd probably have been better if it had been voluntary :P
Heh, indeed!
Quote from Nao on December 25th, 2011, 03:40 PM
If you've seen the screenshots -- Wedge doesn't like Curve, by far...
Oh I've seen them, and I like that you moved away from Curve. I will wait 'till I get to see it live before I comment any further on the design and layout, but trust me, I have some things to note. ;)
Quote from Nao on December 25th, 2011, 03:40 PM
I think there are several similar versions of it in the latest few pages of the topic...?
Oops, as I said I haven't followed the topic at all, but I found this one:

http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/msg270975/#msg270975

It's kinda nice (the top one, obviously), I think it'd be my favourite alternative out of the available ones. There seems to be something up with the edges off the green bit, though, they feel a little fuzzy. I might just be unknowingly drunk or something, though, you never know.

That said the two logos at the bottom there share an interesting concept too, would have been cool to see that idea developed further.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron on December 25th, 2011, 11:21 PM
Quote from Nao on December 22nd, 2011, 11:35 PM
To anyone who voted-- is it mainly because of the color, or because of the shape? Just curious...!
For me, it was the shape that did it. I actually prefer the blue-brown combination myself, even though I initially disliked it. Grey-brown works, too, though.
Quote from Marcus Forsberg on December 25th, 2011, 03:47 PM
http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/msg270975/#msg270975

It's kinda nice (the top one, obviously), I think it'd be my favourite alternative out of the available ones.
I quite agree.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on December 26th, 2011, 11:09 AM
Nao,

Heres the first installment of the logos I promised.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/mat-rix/Spr1te-X2W-150H-Copy.png)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 26th, 2011, 01:21 PM
Well... Interesting colors, surely![1] The placement, too. Is that a glitch in the lower corner?
Overall, I like it. It's nice to see something that keeps in line with my own concept, and tries to explore slight variations that I didn't consider myself.

The software is just named Wedge, without 'Forums' or anything. The simplicity is as desired. And yes, it's easier to make an eye-catching logo when you have two words, which is why 'wedge' itself puts the emphasis on 'we', as if it was made of two words -- we and dge. Err, sorry, 'we' and 'edge'.

Not convinced with the font, though... It looks like a deformed version of a simpler font face. As you may be aware if you've followed this topic, I've always been quite typography-centric and these last few months it's even become something of an obsession -- especially with the logo, and the difficulties I'm meeting when trying to determine whether Wedge should sport a web-aware font by default, or go for a custom @font-face. (And even then -- my fave web-aware font is Segoe UI but it's not available on 50%+ computers, and my second favorite is Arial but the aliased versions suck. Then again, anything without anti-aliasing sucks, too...)
 1. Reminded me a bit of the Logitech logo. After double-checking, though, it's only loosely related.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on December 27th, 2011, 06:57 AM
Hi Nao,

Here are the other logos I promised. You have to remember theyre concepts only and may require some additional work if need be. The blemish you refer to occurred during conversion from original artwork to an alternative format. A minor fix. I figured Id put them up as is as they were already created @ time of our discussion.

I chose slightly darker coloring to compliment the boards existing scheme particularly, as I believe a websites logo should stand out as its the first object visitors relate to before viewing content. Not to mention the fact that its representative of your collective efforts and as such should not go unnoticed. Not saying thats the case but the more eyecatching your logotype is the better it will be for you in the long run. So yeah the one years deliberation is something you'd have to go through unfortunately.

Anyway, as for concepts I deliberately kept it close to the final as mentioned. You will notice theres slightly more subtle difference in coloring in "we dge" but its still visible, I also wanted to emphasise Wedge is a forked version of SMF....as in WE and them or EDGE. And to bring it home thats what I ended up with.

As for my indulgence in "Forum" subscript, I felt a more abbreviated approach was needed and to highlight the fact that it is exactly what this site stands for..."Forum Software"...Its more balanced in terms of logo presentation and gets to the point.

Ah the font..Eras - I find it pleasing to the eye and as professional a font as Helvetica, Arial and other industry standards. As I said the following examples are concept in nature but even so clean lines is what I get out of it. A matter of preference I guess. Can posssibly be reduced to 120px in height sos to blend in a bit more. Without further adu..I present the remainder.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/mat-rix/Nao1-Copy.png)

Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 27th, 2011, 08:12 PM
Maybe something like this...? Or maybe not. Applied a small 3D effect to the logo... (and now I just realized it looks a bit like an animal head with its tongue out :lol:)

(See end of the post.)
Posted: December 27th, 2011, 08:07 PM
Quote from Spr1te on December 27th, 2011, 06:57 AM
The blemish you refer to occurred during conversion from original artwork to an alternative format. A minor fix.
But, interestingly, I think it's a very nice feature... I don't like things being so clean, but never could find the perfect balance between clean and rusty.
I guess it also reminds me of Bloc's first logo attempt, with a small 'cut' in the first 'e'.
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I chose slightly darker coloring to compliment the boards existing scheme particularly,
...Which won't last forever (although I'm considering making a custom Wedge skin that will try to emulate the best features of Wedge.org's current theme.)
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Anyway, as for concepts I deliberately kept it close to the final as mentioned. You will notice theres slightly more subtle difference in coloring in "we dge" but its still visible, I also wanted to emphasise Wedge is a forked version of SMF....as in WE and them or EDGE.
The 'we' is either 'Pete and I', or 'Communities' as built with Wedge. It's not supposed to represent any links to SMF. ;)
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As for my indulgence in "Forum" subscript, I felt a more abbreviated approach was needed and to highlight the fact that it is exactly what this site stands for..."Forum Software"...Its more balanced in terms of logo presentation and gets to the point.
That's a possibility. There's also the slogan, though... ;)
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Ah the font..Eras - I find it pleasing to the eye and as professional a font as Helvetica, Arial and other industry standards.
But isn't it deformed, here?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on December 28th, 2011, 12:53 AM
Just for kicks part 4, I think.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Marcus Forsberg on December 28th, 2011, 01:59 AM
Quote from Nao on December 27th, 2011, 08:12 PM
Maybe something like this...? Or maybe not. Applied a small 3D effect to the logo... (and now I just realized it looks a bit like an animal head with its tongue out :lol:)
Actually... Hold on to that idea, I must say I kinda like it. It really adds a certain something to it, I say. I see what you mean with the animal head but I would not have thought of it unless you had mentioned it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on December 28th, 2011, 12:28 PM
Whitout the 3D effect they where plane shapes, now they resemble something.
They look like aks heads and a bit like, I know it's not your intention, hardware wedges.
But overall it has something to it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on December 28th, 2011, 02:57 PM
Quote from Nao on December 27th, 2011, 08:12 PM
Maybe something like this...? Or maybe not. Applied a small 3D effect to the logo... (and now I just realized it looks a bit like an animal head with its tongue out :lol:)
Loosening the grip a little NAO ?..Seem to recall you were fairly rigid in yr requirement re. introduction of additional effects to logotype. Your baby I guess...do what you will...You have my blessing.
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...I guess it also reminds me of Bloc's first logo attempt, with a small 'cut' in the first 'e'
Sent original via PM. - Let me know if you encounter any probs.
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...Which won't last forever (although I'm consid'ering making a custom Wedge skin that will try to emulate the best features of Wedge.org's current theme.)
Cant wait...When's the official release and will it incorporate a transparent backdrop - Just love what is able to be achieved with them. Can make a plain looking site so much more interesting.
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...The 'we' is either 'Pete and I', or 'Communities' as built with Wedge. It's not supposed to represent any links to SMF. ;)
I stand corrected!
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That's a possibility. There's also the slogan, though... ;)
Each to his own NAO...You have a slight EDGE on he final say :eheh:
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But isn't it deformed, here?
Not sure what you mean by deformed NAO, as far as Im aware Eras has been around for quite a while. Although its a derivative of early Roman linotypes which I assume is what you mean by deformed etc - A number of major players as referenced in the following link have utilized same in telecomunications, web and other forms of TV and other forms of general advertising. Im unaware of the ins and outs on the fonts suitability for your target audience. But from what ive read this doesnt appear to be an issue. -Is there something Im missing out on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eras

Posted: December 28th, 2011, 02:49 PM

Pssst!!!! - CJ - I love your work :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 28th, 2011, 05:03 PM
How about this...?

(http://wedge.org/?action=dlattach;topic=6271;attach=3421;image)




Certainly an interesting direction.
Quote from Spr1te on December 28th, 2011, 02:57 PM
Loosening the grip a little NAO ?..Seem to recall you were fairly rigid in yr requirement re. introduction of additional effects to logotype. Your baby I guess...do what you will...You have my blessing.
Oh... The only requirement is to get a great logo out.
The secondary requirement is to get most people to like it :P

My request about the logo shape is mainly due to having too many offers that just didn't ring a bell with me. In the end, yeah, I get to choose the logo (although I certainly wouldn't make the final decision without Pete), but it doesn't mean there's no way to convince me that 'something else' is better. Actually, I think I've acquired some ability to immediately spot the quality of someone's work. A year ago, I probably wouldn't have given a damn about Bloc's, Dziner's or CJ's works etc. Not that I would have dismissed them as bad -- I just wouldn't have seen the thought put into them.
How long have you been lurking here? Are you someone from sm.org with a different nickname?
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When's the official release
You mustn't have been lurking for a long time then... :P
There is no official release date planned, although I'm really starting to want to go through the alpha release. Actually I was a few hours away from converting Wedge.org to use Wedge, last month, and then Pete said that we should have the thought system ready to go because he used that a lot. So I started work on it and it took several weeks, then I wasn't happy with the thought privacy select box, so I decided to write a custom select box, and now I've probably got a few more weeks of work left just to make sure that all select boxes are correctly converted... Uh. There's also this annoying bit with the custom scrollbar -- I want to have one, but I can't seem to get it right for now. It's like, every day there's a new thing to do that I can't release Wedge without. Add to that the multiple bug reports I've had these last few days... I'd really like to go alpha as soon as possible.
Originally I wanted to have the attachment system use the Aeva Media code, but I don't think this will happen before Final is out (or even later). I've pretty much settled on writing an internal attachment -> media converter anyway. It's not like it's impossible to do, eh.
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and will it incorporate a transparent backdrop - Just love what is able to be achieved with them. Can make a plain looking site look so much more interesting.
What's a transparent backdrop...?
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Not sure what you mean by deformed NAO, as far as Im aware Eras has been around for quite a while.
I haven't given a look at Eras itself, but on the logo, it looks like the text is skewed/stretched vertically.
Posted: December 28th, 2011, 03:20 PM

Okay. I'm in love with my latest attempt. I wanna have its puppies.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on December 28th, 2011, 11:56 PM
Quote from Nao on December 28th, 2011, 05:03 PM
How about this...?

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3421;image)Certainly an interesting direction.
Not bad, not bad @ all. A slight reduction of axe OR (crown) perhaps?
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...but it doesn't mean there's no way to convince me that 'something else' is better.
Good that youve got an open mind on things.
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...I just wouldn't have seen the thought put into them.
Yeah imaginations a rare commodity but can be worked on. To be able to visualize a concept and turn it into reality, not unlike what Pete and yourself are doing with Wedge does take some doing. The rewards one can gain from completing a task successfully can be most gratifying. Practice makes perfect eh.
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How long have you been lurking here? Are you someone from sm.org with a different nickname?
Pretty much since you guys diverted...No a community member as I am here. Pixel Mansions a place I frequent among others. Essentially on the scout for some good forum software thats how I ended up here. Im even prone to diversions...Good pastime!
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... . It's like, every day there's a new thing to do that I can't release Wedge without. Add to that the multiple bug reports I've had these last few days... I'd really like to go alpha as soon as possible.
Originally I wanted to have the attachment system use the Aeva Media code, but I don't think this will happen before Final is out (or even later). I've pretty much settled on writing an internal attachment -> media converter anyway. It's not like it's impossible to do, eh.
Talk about not being fully aware of the thought one puts into into artworks etc...You guys are simply godlike in what you do. Takes some pretty special individuals to undertake projects of this magnitude. We're obviously all behind you on that score.
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What's a transparent backdrop...?
A weak moment is what it was..I overlooked the fact that whatever you were going to come up with it would be a core theme and not simply a mod... forget I asked
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I haven't given a look at Eras itself, but on the logo, it looks like the text is skewed/stretched vertically.
No I used the standard typeface without vector alteration. How was the latest PNG btw?

Posted: December 28th, 2011, 03:20 PM
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Okay. I'm in love with my latest attempt. I wanna have its puppies.
You sure about that. :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on December 29th, 2011, 12:41 AM
Oracle from PM?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 29th, 2011, 11:28 AM
Quote from Spr1te on December 28th, 2011, 11:56 PM
Not bad, not bad @ all. A slight reduction of axe OR (crown) perhaps?
Size reduction, not! It needs to be as big as possible to create sort of a triangle with the logo itself, that's what (to me) justifies putting it on top of the text, rather than on the left.
Meh, maybe it could even be bigger...
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Talk about of being not so aware of the thought one puts into into artworks, - imagination etc...You guys are simply godlike in what you do. Takes some pretty special individuals to undertake projects of this magnitude. We're obviously all behind you on that score.
I think anyone could do what we do, with a bit of experience... What we provided is mostly time and commitment.
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What's a transparent backdrop...?
A weak moment is what it was..I overlooked the fact that whatever you were going to come up with it would be a core theme and not simply a mod... forget I asked
I still don't know what it is...
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No I used the standard typeface without vector alteration. How was the latest PNG btw?
Err... Stretched?
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You sure about that. :lol:
Or at least marry it.
So... Another variation then. The gray/grey one is located just above the we|dge separation, but OTOH obviously it's not as well centered now.

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgetop0.png)(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgetop1.png)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on December 29th, 2011, 12:17 PM
Quote from live627 on December 29th, 2011, 12:41 AM
Oracle from PM?
Yop.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 29th, 2011, 12:38 PM
What is Oracle from PM? I only know of the Batman character and the 26 GB database my girlfriend currently has installed on one of my portable hard drives.
What is PM, anyway?

(Gosh, that logo looks so great...)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on December 29th, 2011, 01:18 PM
Pixel Mansion NAO - Where ALL logos look great! - Learn something every day. :cool:
Quote from Nao on December 29th, 2011, 11:28 AM
... maybe it could even be bigger...
When you look @ it with subtext it balances out I guess.
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I think anyone could do what we do, with a bit of experience... What we provided is mostly time and commitment.
I'll stick to my own beliefs on that score. "Special people"
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I still don't know what it is...
Let me explain - In my case I have a tendency to favour themes that offer a custom background which gives administrators the ability to tailor their websites with a more personalised feel. For instance whilst working on my site, I discovered it wasnt easy synchronizing the styling of my forum to homepage (particularly with my limited coding knowledge). Using two entirely different programmes with bridge isnt the way to go but it was the only way I could package what I had in mind, together. Coupling the  best blogging programme with best forum @ the time was the goal. Three years in the making and still going strong. The bridging was the obstacle. So yeah custom backdrops are a necessity for folks like moi. Tried the Joomla thing but ended up with WP.

I also wanted my blog or homepage to resemble a traditional webpage instead of the portal thing...I find that sites that tend to use portals all look the same...Wanting your websites look to be unique shouldnt be frowned upon and again not all themes offer this customisation. Its easy for coders to produce something @ will but we're relegated to grovelling. :)
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No I used the standard typeface without vector alteration. How was the latest PNG btw?
- Err... Stretched?
What do you mean stretched..I posted my samples on here without a hitch..maybe a little rough around the edges but in proportion..The PNG I sent you recently should have been pristine & scaleable. What the heck it doesnt really matter, each to their own..
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You sure about that. :lol:
Or at least marry it.
So... Another variation then. The gray/grey one is located just above the we|dge separation, but OTOH obviously it's not as well centered now.

(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgetop0.png)(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgetop1.png)
Theyre all good. Just got to take the plunge and settle on one. Lots more important things to worry about....Did I say that! :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 29th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Quote from Spr1te on December 29th, 2011, 01:18 PM
Pixel Mansion NAO - Where ALL logos look great! - Learn something every day. :cool:
Oh... Right! I remember now there were a few people from P.M. who came over here ;)
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Let me explain - In my case I have a tendency to favour themes that offer a custom background which gives administrators the ability to tailor their websites with a more personalised feel. For instance whilst working on my site, I discovered it wasnt easy synchronizing the styling of my forum to homepage (particularly with my limited coding knowledge). Using two entirely different programmes with bridge isnt the way to go but it was the only way I could package what I had in mind, together. Coupling the  best blogging programme with best forum @ the time was the goal. Three years in the making and still going strong. The bridging was the obstacle. So yeah custom backdrops are a necessity for folks like moi. Tried the Joomla thing but ended up with WP.
Custom backGROUNDS, then...?

Create a custom.css file
Add:

Code: [Select]
#main_content
    background: url($here/my_background.jpg)

Save the file to your Themes/default/skins/ folder. Put your my_background.jpg file over there as well.
Reload page. Done. No theme edits, since custom.css is only for 'you', the site owner, to modify.

I also wanted my blog or homepage to resemble a traditional webpage instead of the portal thing...I find that sites that tend to use portals all look the same...Wanting your websites look to be unique shouldnt be frowned upon and again not all themes offer this customisation. Its easy for coders to produce something @ will but we're relegated to grovelling. :)
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What the heck it doesnt really matter, each to their own..
There are plenty of fonts I love, but I'm not particularly drawn to Eras indeed, as French as it may be. To each their own, as you say ;)
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(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgetop0.png)(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgetop1.png)
Theyre all good. Just got to take the plunge and settle on one. Lots more important things to worry about....Did I say that! :lol:
Well... Here's another interesting try. And quite different from usual...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 29th, 2011, 04:53 PM
Hey guys... Anyone up for giving feedback on the last few logos.....? :unsure:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on December 29th, 2011, 05:25 PM
Ok, these look good to me... The wedgebox!.png is definitely my favourite of the logos seen here lately, but the wedgetop0 isn't bad either.

The orange/brown and green is a better combination anyway.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 29th, 2011, 05:40 PM
At last a comment :) Thanks!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 29th, 2011, 10:58 PM
Updated the poll with the current lot... :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 29th, 2011, 11:33 PM
Quote from Nao on December 29th, 2011, 11:28 AM
(http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgetop0.png)
This.

When will this madness end? :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 29th, 2011, 11:43 PM
Soon, friend, soon. :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on December 30th, 2011, 07:13 AM
Perhaps it's just me but..... the latest one reminds me of Sydney Opera House...  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 30th, 2011, 08:51 AM
Unintended but I like that. I love Sydney!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on December 30th, 2011, 09:48 AM
I like the third one very much. Don't know why, but it looks very professional and clean to me :) The other logos look awesome too, though.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 30th, 2011, 10:15 AM
Yeah... That's the thing: in my opinion, the third logo is very much a "professional" logo, in that it would look great on stationery. The other two look great horizontally and as a website header.
I'm actually tempted to keep the two, even though it's not 'clean' to have two different text styles. But I think what matters the most, is that the logo itself remains the same either way...

Heck, I'm surprised to say -- this is the first time I have a shot at a recognizable, cool logo like Firefox's. It's probably why it inspired me to have a bit of a designer flair with the third logo here.
It doesn't look as good as Firefox's 16x16 icon version, but then again I don't think ANY icon looks as good as it... It's, like, my mètre-étalon -- my standard meter.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on December 30th, 2011, 12:00 PM
I like the three of them.
#3 is too portrait IMO, but I still like the design.

Merry Xmas btw
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on December 30th, 2011, 01:23 PM
Lol, if you hover over the "your forum" part of the logo in the sidebar, it goes to the second logo, but as that one is smaller and you're not hovering over that logo, it goes back to the first logo, so it goes to the other logo every time. :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 30th, 2011, 01:36 PM
Yeah, I tried making it into a div and crap like that (it's only temporary) but failed to make it hoverable as a square (regardless of image size) within a single line of code, so I figured, who cares... As I said, it's only temporary anyway.
Plus, if you hover towards the alternate logo, it'll show up again... As long as the pointer is in the 165x97 area where that logo is shown, you're safe.

(The problem never occurred before because I always made sure to keep both logos in a 165x97 area.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Marcus Forsberg on December 30th, 2011, 02:28 PM
I'm very happy that you seem to be going with the green one, it's just beautiful!
I love the third one but seeing as I'm very picky when it comes to graphics I have a couple of things to mention, if you're interested:

I want more white-space around the text, particularly near the bottom of that box. Just to give it some extra air, y'know. I also personally think it'd be a better idea to keep the entire slogan ("Level up your forum") the same colour - the darker one - and size and all that, it'd look cleaner to me I think. Just a couple of thoughts, it looks very nice though, good job!

The other alternative is quite good as well. I was sceptic to the idea of having the shape thingy on top of the text at first but I must say it grew on me.

I'm not a fan at all of the idea to have two different text styles as you mentioned, but I guess as you said, as long as the shape remains the same it'd be a little more acceptable.

Really, I'm in love with the shape. In a very disturbing way I might add.

Random unrelated thought: You guys should use your Twitter account :P (yeah I know, I'm slowly becoming a Twitter addict...)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on December 30th, 2011, 04:45 PM
Quote from Marcus Forsberg on December 30th, 2011, 02:28 PM
Random unrelated thought: You guys should use your Twitter account :P (yeah I know, I'm slowly becoming a Twitter addict...)
They have a account expect for Rene being inactive. :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 3rd, 2012, 12:23 PM
(Bump for votes...)
Quote from Marcus Forsberg on December 30th, 2011, 02:28 PM
I'm very happy that you seem to be going with the green one, it's just beautiful!
Oh, I loved the gray one just as much... But it was obvious it wasn't as popular, so I just removed it from the poll.
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I want more white-space around the text, particularly near the bottom of that box. Just to give it some extra air, y'know.
Tried it, doesn't work.
Also tried various other fonts... Somehow, I "got" it to click with me with an Helvetica where WDG are in uppercase and the E is in lowercase (with size updated to fit the other letters, of course.)
See below...? (I still prefer the one in the poll, though.)
:edit: Removed -- it sucked.
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I also personally think it'd be a better idea to keep the entire slogan ("Level up your forum") the same colour - the darker one -
Also tried that -- looks bland. 'Your forum' is more important to me, than 'Level up'. It defines what Wedge is, while Level up really is the slogan -- and I won't be comfortable with the slogan until the software is out and people actually use it and love it... (Just having our Consultants to test it and love it isn't enough for me ;))
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The other alternative is quite good as well. I was sceptic to the idea of having the shape thingy on top of the text at first but I must say it grew on me.
It really works well. I have spr1te to thank for putting that back on track, I guess!
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Really, I'm in love with the shape. In a very disturbing way I might add.
Then that makes two of us... Do we have to fight over it? :P
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Random unrelated thought: You guys should use your Twitter account :P (yeah I know, I'm slowly becoming a Twitter addict...)
I've never liked Twitter... I only have an account there to point people to something if someone starts claiming they're me. Heck, even Google gets confused with my account... Used to be @noisen, and I thought it still was, and Google points to that, and it redirects to a @NoiseN that has nothing to do with me... So I logged in, and checked my account name, and it's @NaoGilles. Which makes more sense, I guess.
There's also @wedgeteam, but I simply don't even remember what our password is... Lol. (Otherwise I guess I'd have updated the logo by now.)
Posted: January 2nd, 2012, 10:18 AM

I *think* I've found a way to get a large icon with small text into the logo, without having to turn back to uppercase text, and thus be able to keep the overall effect. Of course it requires inverting the colors for the text, but I'm absolutely fine with that. That way, we can have the two different logos.
Also tried two different fonts. My all-time 3 faves in my designs have been Coolvetica, Segoe-likes and PT Sans Bold. Below are 5m (PT Sans Bold) and 6m (Segoe) tests. Dunny which font would be best...
(Also added a minor diffuse glow to the icon itself, to enhance the 3D effects with the text on top of it.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on January 3rd, 2012, 01:33 PM
Looks quite busy.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Marcus Forsberg on January 3rd, 2012, 01:49 PM
Quote from Nao on January 3rd, 2012, 12:23 PM
Then that makes two of us... Do we have to fight over it? :P
Oh that's fine, I wouldn't dare :unsure:
Quote from Nao on January 3rd, 2012, 12:23 PM
There's also @wedgeteam, but I simply don't even remember what our password is... Lol. (Otherwise I guess I'd have updated the logo by now.)
Yeah, I meant that account, heh.
Quote from Nao on January 3rd, 2012, 12:23 PM
Posted: January 2nd, 2012, 10:18 AM

I *think* I've found a way to get a large icon with small text into the logo, without having to turn back to uppercase text, and thus be able to keep the overall effect. Of course it requires inverting the colors for the text, but I'm absolutely fine with that. That way, we can have the two different logos.
Also tried two different fonts. My all-time 3 faves in my designs have been Coolvetica, Segoe-likes and PT Sans Bold. Below are 5m (PT Sans Bold) and 6m (Segoe) tests. Dunny which font would be best...
(Also added a minor diffuse glow to the icon itself, to enhance the 3D effects with the text on top of it.)
I kinda like that. Segoe is definitely the best of those two IMO, PT Sans Bold looks a little odd to me.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on January 3rd, 2012, 03:37 PM
Just a slight aside.......
side to side mouseover - the logos load fine.
up and down mouseover and the logos really dither/flash/whatever.
nearly set off an epilepsy attack

;)

Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 3rd, 2012, 04:01 PM
- Busy: yeah sure, it's busier... Not busy enough to bother me, though. I made busy logos before that I enjoyed. Actually I consider that once I added the gradient inside the icon, it might as well be a bit easier. The flat version works extremely well on flat environments. I'm not sure what I wanna do with this one for now.

- Added a slightly bigger version for you to look at the details. The font is back to PT Sans Bold, without the odd 'ripple' effect that was on the original (which is barely visible, but it's also in the logos in the poll.) Also made the contrast bigger between 'we' and 'dge'.

- The mouseover issue is known, and I discussed it before. It's only temporary... Just keep the mouse in the middle of the hovered logo.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 3rd, 2012, 07:19 PM
A difficult choice... Sober or busy? Hmm...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Marcus Forsberg on January 3rd, 2012, 07:26 PM
Seeing them like that, the right hand one, no doubt to me.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on January 4th, 2012, 12:38 AM
Quote from Nao on January 3rd, 2012, 07:19 PM
A difficult choice... Sober or busy? Hmm...
busy (one on the right)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on January 4th, 2012, 03:52 AM
Voted for the 2nd. ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on January 4th, 2012, 10:39 AM
Quote from live627 on January 4th, 2012, 12:38 AM
Quote from Nao on January 3rd, 2012, 07:19 PM
A difficult choice... Sober or busy? Hmm...
busy (one on the right)
+1
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 4th, 2012, 11:47 AM
It looks so incredibly good. Like the kind of thing I could wear a T-shirt of :P
However, I'm at a loss when it comes to readability... Just having one single-size icon isn't enough for me, it has to be adaptable, to all sizes and all background colors. Readability is extremely weakened when the logo is shrunk, so I tried to increase contrast by using dark colors for the font. The result can be seen in the footer but... "meh". It looks good, but not as awesome.

Also used the normal-size logo in the sidebar, so that you can switch between the different logos 'in context'. It's always better in context :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on January 4th, 2012, 03:14 PM
One in the sidebar (BUSY) - looks real neat NAO. Think your on a winner there.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 4th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Definitely. I tried it on dark backgrounds and it looks mesmerizing. Even if readability isn't fantastic, it actually makes you look at it and try to read it. I'm still going to make tries in the "sober" area though.

Updated the poll to let you vote for the new logo if you'd like to change your mind...

:edit: I see that Bloc went by after being absent for 1+ month... Apparently it was too tempting to just log in and vote that he didn't like the new logos... :P
Seriously, Bloc, as always your opinion is valued (I still think you're a way better designer than I am), and any suggestions to improve the current logo are welcomed. Nobody here has anything against you, so how about you swallow your pride and accept that, from time to time, someone will tell you that they're "not that excited" by one of your designs? I've been doing Wedge logos for over a year now because none of the logos were loved by everyone, where did you see me complaining? You gave up after two tries :^^;:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on January 4th, 2012, 05:30 PM
I voted for busy........ what would it look like with a darker border to the text?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 4th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Something like this..?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on January 4th, 2012, 05:57 PM
Yeah, thats nice
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 4th, 2012, 06:25 PM
wedgelight3 was done with two layers of drop shadows (a regular drop shadow, and a copy of the original layer, colored to black and gaussian-blurred to act as secondary drop shadow) because I felt even the strongest shadows weren't too obvious. It looks good on the sides, not so sure about the middle. Also added an inverted logo with light drop shadow, didn't look great so I cropped the background shadow so it only shows up around the sides... Meh, not good. I think I'll let go of that one... ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 4th, 2012, 11:59 PM
Quote from Bloc on January 4th, 2012, 09:41 PM
Hm, I am not sure how I should take that..as a challenge or just sarcasm?
Where do you see sarcasm?
Just because I'm put off by your tendency to request for account deletion, doesn't mean I don't understand the reasons behind your behavior. I won't judge you on that. I'm only interested in work, anyway. (I think you noticed the 24/7 thingy.)
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However, its tempting to vote again now when you put up a poll with new logos and I stand by it: you have done(and others) much better logos than the current ones, which lately have gone from a nice looking "leaf"(still not much to do with wedges) to a "plant" of sorts.
The leaf wasn't widely liked. So I cut the rounded corners and suddenly some people liked it. Then I added a 3D effect and they started loving it. Then I moved the text to the middle and even more loved it. Every time I make it 'busier', people like it more. It's not what I think they'll like -- it's what I see they like.
I've done countless logos I did *not* post, by the way... I'm only posting the ones I think deserve of being posted. Not all of them are worthy of being *used*, though. Just kept as a souvenir... Over the year, I posted dozens of logos, and I think I could pick a dozen of them and still be unable to decided which I like best.
And even then, it's not about what I like best -- it's about what gives Wedge a 'personality', if you may.

As a wanna-be designer, I know that simplicity is better than number of features. I also know that sometimes, you can get away with a beautiful busy design by ensuring nothing around it is busy. That's why I removed the slogan from the 'busy' logo, and why I worked mainly on readability.
Still doesn't stop me from having a parallel file where I'm testing variations on the 'sober' design. See my post just above, I edited it with my latest version (PT Sans + gradient icon.)
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It doesn't make sense to the name, it doesn't look particular nice either, just ..strange. The shape is very reminiscent of the Sydney opera house which I believe was meant as "sails" or perhaps "waves", can't remember.
It's what you want it to be. There's nothing 'true' and nothing 'wrong'. Went to Sydney back in '01 and it was the first flight I ever had, a fantastic memory and anything that reminds me of it is cool. The colors on the icon can also make you think of a plant (and the idea of tending to something beautiful.) The shapes can also make you think of two wedges meeting each other -- or two parts separated by a wedge. You can also see the two shapes as representing Pete and moi. (I'll also let you determine which is who.) You can see the most recent logo as a proud blazon(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazon). Or you can just see it as a random mass of pixels that doesn't make sense... Just like many people will probably be put off by my own design choices for Wedge in general.
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The font looks plastered on top of it without regard for its contrast with the shape,
Yet I put effort into it. So, how would you do it...?
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so you are left with that shape..and puzzling out what to make of it.
It's not the shape that matters... It's what you do with it :P
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Theres saying that often is the very first attempt you do, is the best one, and the further you work on it, the further you stray from that original idea. Well, I think that has already happened with Wedge's logo. The first attempts were great,
Which first attempts? The recent ones with the new icon, or the older attempts?
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just the logo and the slogan, which I still find very striking.
There are so many logos I found striking... Some were disliked by most people. Not that I would usually care, but I believe that after a year and a half of work on Wedge, I went from "doesn't care who uses it" to "hopefully it'll be successful."
So... Yeah, in a way, that logo matters to me. A lot. And it matters to me that people like it. No matter if I have to spend another year on it. It'll be a funny bed time story for my geeky grandchildren...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 5th, 2012, 04:08 PM
I really think that the logo is important. I see a tendency in web projects to fail when their logos suck. Every little thing that can help Wedge get more recognition is important to me.

You can, and may, delete all of your posts manually, AFAIK. And I would remove your account if you'd ask me. But you never do. I always find out about it when going through the admin area and happen to visit the Pending area for members. Then I'll say, "oh, that's why he stopped posting altogether...? Did he expect me to see that request if he didn't even mention he'd be going?"...
Anyway -- no, I don't want to see you go, it's always interesting to talk with you. But I'd also like for you to be a bit cooler when we discuss Wedge technicals, or at least not always take everything personal.. And finally, I'd appreciate that you're careful not to criticize(http://www.blocweb.net/index.php?topic=1157.0) us in our backs (you're free to criticize us obviously, but as long as it's something we may get to read.) I don't know about Pete, but I don't go to your site often, and I don't even have an account so I could hardly answer your remarks... I believe this is one of the reasons why Pete went AWOL these days (apart from RL issues.)

As for the Kaffe logo... Well, it's still a good logo. And there are still dozens of logos I've made since then, that I like more. Maybe I should do an actual compilation of my favorites in one post...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on January 5th, 2012, 04:45 PM
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Maybe I should do an actual compilation of my favorites in one post...
it could help to decide what's best. ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 6th, 2012, 09:24 PM
Sure...
Posted: January 5th, 2012, 05:51 PM

Pete, I'd like your opinion on the current poll ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 6th, 2012, 11:44 PM
Voted :) I like the 3D effect and I like the boxed look around the 'level up your forum'. I'm a sucker for well done 3D effects.

The logo is important, sure, but it can be figured out later if need be, it's not like there's a mass of marketing machinery attached to it at this point. But I'd like something that we both like and that we'll be able to at least 'put up with' for a while.
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I believe this is one of the reasons why Pete went AWOL these days (apart from RL issues.)
The conversation where I was trying to explain, badly, some of the things that will be encountered in trying to write a plugin system... it didn't end well. Public conversation, can't be arsed to find it. But suffice to say I felt better for burning the bridge.

Then I cut my ties with DZ too, this thread(http://www.dzinerstudio.com/index.php?topic=7383.0). Seems that subconsciously I was helping myself figure out what to cut back on in 2012... :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 13th, 2012, 10:24 AM
Anyway, back on track.

Seems to me that the current logo is the one people are happiest with and it's the most reflective of everything to date...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on January 13th, 2012, 11:11 AM
For post #860, the top one (wedgeboxlight7m.png).
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on January 13th, 2012, 05:04 PM
I'm rather liking wedgeboxlight9m.png
 :wow:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: U Wish on January 18th, 2012, 10:17 PM
 :whistle:  (thinks at least it isn't "cheesy")  :P :niark:

looks good Nao.. i like it.. mmm yea i'm digging thru posts i have missed..

(off topic!)
hope you guys had a good holiday.. and someone drop me a message, if anyone wants, and catch me up to speed on what i have missed out.... pwease? :angel:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 19th, 2012, 10:50 AM
Just a few notes...

- The current badge in the sidebar looks fantastic. However, I never got around to making it readable in small sizes. That's important to me -- we need to have a logo that is great in both large and small shapes.

- I actually never got bored of the 'simple' version (first choice in the poll). I tried doing more complex logos, but it's, once again, proving hard. I was satisfied with the 'framed' logo, too, but wanted a version that also worked horizontally. Hard, hard, hard.

- More annoyingly, the current logo in the bottom-right corner of the demo site (http://wedge.org/minilogo.png) still is my favorite when it comes to small logos. It has an extreme simplicity to it. I'll keep making tests around it, but I'm afraid I stupidly lost the original unresized file for it... :-/

- So, I made a few attempts that I posted above (unrelated to the minilogo). I didn't 'bump' my post because they weren't meant to be publicly debated (I will often post logos to see how they fare in a forum environment, then delete the attachments. This time I didn't delete them because they were referred to by later posts.)

- I'm posting my latest attempts. As you can see, they're only in SMALL sizes, that's because I want to stress-test their readability. The background color is subject to change, I may even remove it entirely although it's unlikely because it's important to the overall balance... As you can see, the idea was to get a compromise between text size compared to icon -- small text vs large icon in the sidebar badge (last poll choice), and large text vs small icon in the sidebar logo when you hover the badge (i.e. first poll choice). I also reversed the icon on its vertical axis, I feel it's an interesting variation. Finally, I made two versions: one with the lowercase text and drop shadow, one with uppercase text, and no drop shadow.

Do you think this is an interesting direction for the logo...?
They look *great* in the footer for the new skin (which I'm not making public, or even private, yet), but a bit disappointing on brighter backgrounds like here.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 19th, 2012, 11:02 AM
Hmm, I'm less enthused by those two than the previous ones. The blue seems to suck the life out of the text somehow.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 19th, 2012, 11:17 AM
What about the rest...? Reversed icon, preference between uppercase and lowercase, etc...

I also uploaded a version without background. Needs some work.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 19th, 2012, 11:52 AM
They weren't there when I posted ;)

Lower case text works better (for a variety of reasons, but most importantly because it's actually easier to read), and the lighter blue background certainly works better than the darker one but I still think it's taking something away from the text itself.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 19th, 2012, 12:03 PM
Quote from Arantor on January 19th, 2012, 11:52 AM
They weren't there when I posted ;)
"Rest" means "other features (design decisions) in the logo"...
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Lower case text works better (for a variety of reasons, but most importantly because it's actually easier to read),
Not sure, personally. Uppercase, in this case, was so much easier to read that I could afford to remove the drop shadow...
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and the lighter blue background certainly works better than the darker one but I still think it's taking something away from the text itself.
Always hard to find the correct balance.

Posting a few tries I made yesterday, so they're not the most recent. Maybe you'll like one..?

:edit: And another few tries... Meh.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 19th, 2012, 12:52 PM
Now, with the bigger variant, the blue doesn't take anything away from the writing so it works. Not a fan of the ! variant (both in terms of having the ! and the font it uses), the slightly serif version above it, also not keen on - the font doesn't quite work for me, and I'd rather have the lowercase version, because it's more readable and more interesting.

The variant on brown I don't like much - the font is the same one as the ! one (and I'm not keen on it for the same reason) but I think the brown takes something away from the brown in the main logo.

Of all the ones posted there in big, the one in the lower left is easily my favourite.

Of the smaller logos (10 and 11), I prefer the fact that 11 has more space round the writing but I prefer the emblem in 10.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on January 19th, 2012, 03:57 PM
Nao, I think you are going in a wrong direction here. The tight box around the text looks a bit messy, IMO.

I still like the wedgebox! best.

The (http://ttp://sorry-404-wedge.org/wedgebox!.png) For the win!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on January 19th, 2012, 07:16 PM
The wedgebox actually looks like something that goes nicely on the restaurant menu, I change my vote to the busy one. :D
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 20th, 2012, 12:25 AM
I have no idea who likes what at this point, and for what reasons ;)
I for one would be happy to see my logos on restaurant menus... :P

Here's another before I go to bed. Spent too much time on this freakin' editor... -_-
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on January 20th, 2012, 12:37 AM
Sound like you're taking vector imaging extremely serious, bloody hell. :lol:

I noticed the first three username on the vote for the current logo, "Alanthar and Arantor".  Are you three planning on doing a gig? :D
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 20th, 2012, 12:39 AM
And I'm in Hell, surrounded by Loki and Satan Narrow!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 20th, 2012, 01:01 AM
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I have no idea who likes what at this point, and for what reasons
I don't actively dislike any logo you've done, I think. I just know what ticks my boxes and what doesn't... and basically I like it nice and readable with the lowercase fonts.

The new two you've posted look good, though I think the background might not have quite enough contrast to the left logo (but then again, I'm no artist and my best attempt didn't exactly light anyone's fire)
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I noticed the first three username on the vote for the current logo, "Alanthar and Arantor".  Are you three planning on doing a gig?
Haha, that's awesome.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 20th, 2012, 11:44 AM
Okay, bit more contrast, and switching to a font I always liked but never tried for fear that it looked too much like a 'cool' font. (Don't ask.)
Readability is pretty good now. :)

:edit: Just for fun... A silly one ;)
:edit: This has got to be the simplest logo I've done since my monochrome one which Bloc liked so much... I'm sure he'd love that one, too! Still, did you notice how I tend to make something very sober, and then add stupid details to it until it becomes unbearable? And here it only took me 3 steps to reach that point... Eheh.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 20th, 2012, 11:06 PM
16 I like. The boldness of the text seems to counter my usual 'block of stone' view of densely package capitals. Colouring is nice, it's not overstated.

17 I like too, though to decide if the first E looks like it's tilted slightly, it seems out of line compared to the other letters.

18 is nice. Carries the effect of the wedge. Not sure about the green, and I'm getting a slightly 'vague' feeling about it. It's as though it's not wanting to commit to things a bit (like how I feel right now)

20 I'm not so keen on. There's too much background, not enough foreground and it just looks like two triangles in a big space; there's no 'wedge' feeling about it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 21st, 2012, 10:52 AM
Quote from Arantor on January 20th, 2012, 11:06 PM
16 I like. The boldness of the text seems to counter my usual 'block of stone' view of densely package capitals. Colouring is nice, it's not overstated.
Yeah, it's a pretty good logo really. I tried it as Worg's footer logo yesterday and it worked just as well as the current minilogo (which is hard to unseat!)
Oh, Worg is the codename for the new skin, it's just 'Wedge.org'...
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17 I like too, though to decide if the first E looks like it's tilted slightly, it seems out of line compared to the other letters.
It's the same font, Helsinki. You can look it up Fontsquirrel. It's definitely a bit tilted to the right -- not just the E, all letters.
What matters here is that... How to say it. I think Wedge needs a font that's both 'original' and 'classic'. Most successful logos try to distantiate themselves from Helvetica & co fonts, yet remain very basic to be both readable and not stand out too much. (Why does my spell-checker complain on the word 'distantiate'....? Doesn't that word exist in English? What should it be? Push themselves further away, or something...?)
I currently focus my work on Lato, which I found on Google Fonts. See the attached pic.
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18 is nice. Carries the effect of the wedge. Not sure about the green, and I'm getting a slightly 'vague' feeling about it. It's as though it's not wanting to commit to things a bit (like how I feel right now)
:lol:
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20 I'm not so keen on. There's too much background, not enough foreground and it just looks like two triangles in a big space; there's no 'wedge' feeling about it.
Definitely not good. (And 21, either.)
I made something in between 18 and 20 -- what do you think? Also went for 'as sober as possible' by getting rid of the nice little gradient effects, and choosing a more primary color. Maybe a bit too 'strong', though...

:edit: And another font I like... Sansation Bold. I realize it's a bit small to distinguish the letters and all, but you can always look it up ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 21st, 2012, 01:30 PM
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Yeah, it's a pretty good logo really. I tried it as Worg's footer logo yesterday and it worked just as well as the current minilogo (which is hard to unseat!)
Oh, Worg is the codename for the new skin, it's just 'Wedge.org'...
I actually figured that out before you got to explain it, heh. But yeah, it's hard to unseat that one!
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It's the same font, Helsinki. You can look it up Fontsquirrel. It's definitely a bit tilted to the right -- not just the E, all letters.
What matters here is that... How to say it. I think Wedge needs a font that's both 'original' and 'classic'. Most successful logos try to distantiate themselves from Helvetica & co fonts, yet remain very basic to be both readable and not stand out too much. (Why does my spell-checker complain on the word 'distantiate'....? Doesn't that word exist in English? What should it be? Push themselves further away, or something...?)
I currently focus my work on Lato, which I found on Google Fonts. See the attached pic.
I actually don't think there's a need to try merging classic and original styles at once, I think it runs the risk of being inconsistent by trying to be something it isn't.

(Distantiate isn't a word. The word you're after here is 'distance', which is one of those awesome words that's both a verb and a noun.)

But yeah, I see what you're getting at.
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Definitely not good. (And 21, either.)
I made something in between 18 and 20 -- what do you think? Also went for 'as sober as possible' by getting rid of the nice little gradient effects, and choosing a more primary color. Maybe a bit too 'strong', though...

 And another font I like... Sansation Bold. I realize it's a bit small to distinguish the letters and all, but you can always look it up
The font's nice - I'm not seeing a problem with the size, I see more problem with trying to read that green against the background (the 'we' is fine)

'Sober' is definitely carried through on both 22 and 23 and I'm getting the 'wedge' vibe from it, but more from 22 than 23; the brown just doesn't quite have the weight to it that the blue does.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 22nd, 2012, 11:44 PM
Quote from Arantor on January 21st, 2012, 01:30 PM
I actually figured that out before you got to explain it, heh. But yeah, it's hard to unseat that one!
I thought you weren't too fond of it...? ((http://wedge.org/minilogo.png))
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(Distantiate isn't a word. The word you're after here is 'distance', which is one of those awesome words that's both a verb and a noun.)
Oh... Right, thanks. French verbs ending with -cier or -tier, like Negocier, are usually translated to -tiate in English, like Negotiate... So, I figured that Distancier would be Distanciate or Distantiate ;)
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The font's nice - I'm not seeing a problem with the size, I see more problem with trying to read that green against the background (the 'we' is fine)
Later tries use a darker green.
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'Sober' is definitely carried through on both 22 and 23 and I'm getting the 'wedge' vibe from it, but more from 22 than 23; the brown just doesn't quite have the weight to it that the blue does.
Well, I tried to stay within the confines of our current color palettes ;)

What do you think about wedge24 and wedge26..? (Just added them.)
Posted: January 22nd, 2012, 11:08 AM

Bump, added wedge272. I also have another variation under work. It's fun. Definitely more fun than this week wasted on the wysiwyg editor... :whistle:
Posted: January 22nd, 2012, 07:18 PM

Added another sample, this time in both sizes (large and small).
Should I assume that the lack of feedback is due to no one being interested in that direction...? Or should I just change something, like the color palette or something..?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 23rd, 2012, 01:57 AM
I think it's just because there's been so many that people aren't sure what to look at next...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 23rd, 2012, 07:00 AM
And...? (Even you?)

Hint: http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/msg272411/#msg272411
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on January 23rd, 2012, 08:26 AM
My first "real" contribution to this topic. :ph34r:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 23rd, 2012, 08:46 AM
Why did you have to take my 'joke' logo as your basis... :lol: (see filename)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 23rd, 2012, 11:49 PM
As for me, I really just haven't had proper time the last few days. Lots of personal stuff, and spending some time doing support at sm.org which is helping me focus on another decision that needs to be made for us and I think I have an answer for you on it. (Will PM you about that.)

272 somehow makes me think of the Transformers for some reason, no idea why. The W doesn't really convey anything Wedge like.[1]

282 is better, has some of the 'wedge' aspect to it, and works as a favicon size too, but reminds me of WP's logo a bit too much.

30 strikes me much as 272 does.

weahah is actually kind of nice, even if it is a joke.

As for Live's ideas, I like them stylistically though they need polish to get rid of the jaggies.
 1. Which is kind of important to me, especially in light of MyBB's new logo/mascot, which is an astronaut suit.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 24th, 2012, 12:11 AM
My favorites: welogo24h (the small one), welogo26 (the big one), and welogo30.
My absolute favorite is welogo30 - because it works very well in all sizes, and it has a 'style' to it.
And has nothing to do with Transformers, but if it helps you like it... :P

weahah is okay I guess, but I've got it opened here, and each time I disable the white fill, I get the 'busy logo' again, on top of a blue square (making it even busier), and it just looks cooler... But what I'm looking for, is getting further away from the busy aspect of the logo. Hence my choice for a much simpler logo shape, but this time with visual effects (the glow effects).
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 24th, 2012, 12:14 AM
I don't dislike 30, it just doesn't grab me in any meaningful way. 24h/26 look good, though.

There is some value to the simpler logo shape - but there is also some value to having some 'busy' aspect to it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 24th, 2012, 12:22 AM
Just look at mybb since you pointed it out. Their logo is busy *and* doesn't mean a thing. Their mascot doesn't represent much (and it's a tad ugly may I say.)
Let's give it a couple of days :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on January 24th, 2012, 02:42 AM
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As for Live's ideas, I like them stylistically though they need polish to get rid of the jaggies.
Pixel-perfect design is a bit of a challenge with not the stillest hands. It's around the "petals", right? I could apply a small white glow to hide it.
Quote from Nao on January 23rd, 2012, 08:46 AM
Why did you have to take my 'joke' logo as your basis... :lol: (see filename)
Actually... I didn't. I started with wedgebox.
Posted: January 24th, 2012, 02:35 AM

Re Mybb logo: this?
(http://blog.mybb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mybb-new-mascot-2012.png)

lol, what's it supposed to mean? That they target the Man on the Moon? What about us Earthlings?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 24th, 2012, 03:14 AM
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Pixel-perfect design is a bit of a challenge with not the stillest hands. It's around the "petals", right? I could apply a small white glow to hide it.
It's more the petals but it does affect the letters too. Zoom on the browser might help? (Works for me)
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what's it supposed to mean? That they target the Man on the Moon? What about us Earthlings?
And the answer is...
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After numerous ideas, we finally decided on an astronaut, because we feel it best demonstrates the following attributes of our forum software: strength, power, friendliness and dominance.
Yeah, whatever.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: ethankcvds on January 24th, 2012, 04:51 AM
Quote from live627 on January 24th, 2012, 02:42 AM
Posted: January 24th, 2012, 02:35 AM

Re Mybb logo: this?
(http://blog.mybb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mybb-new-mascot-2012.png)

lol, what's it supposed to mean? That they target the Man on the Moon? What about us Earthlings?
[sarcastic] Maybe they support (Can't think of the persons username.).[/sarcastic]

@Nao The only thing that I can say is so far I like all the logo designs so far. To me even a pile of coal would look great compared to the stuff I'd ever throw together. 
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 24th, 2012, 11:22 PM
How 'bout this..?
The W is titled a bit more to the right, giving a feeling of a greek E like 'Eureka' :P
Font is changed back to Coolvetica, for now.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on January 25th, 2012, 12:21 AM
Wedge logo22 's perfect NAO..

Keep everything the same except rotate wedges 90 deg to vert position. 

Kind of like LIVE 627 's concept...Maybe play round with fonts but keep same colors as in logo22 - alter wedges in lives so their not 3D.

 
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on January 25th, 2012, 12:01 PM
I like welogo32 and welogo32 c a lot. :) They look beautiful yet clean. Awesome logos. :D
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on January 25th, 2012, 12:48 PM
I saw a logo the other day and thought it looked quite neat.
Not a good sample but something along the lines of -

(http://www.scubadivingforum.co.uk/wedgeimages/we1.jpg)

.tif looks a bit better but cannot u/l
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 30th, 2012, 10:11 AM
We seem to be in a situation where there are too many new logo concepts, and each of the new concepts has got its fans, but no consensus whatsoever... Am I right? ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 30th, 2012, 01:21 PM
Pretty much, yes.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 30th, 2012, 01:39 PM
Hmm... And what do you suggest we do?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on January 30th, 2012, 02:11 PM
I don't have the answers, only the smart-ass observations :/
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 30th, 2012, 03:22 PM
Well, I guess it can still wait.. ;) My priority is on the skin for now. And making sure I can safely use Wedge here.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on January 30th, 2012, 04:35 PM
You can ask about lots of logo designs and get a not so definitive shortlist.
Its all personal, really personal.
The only site your logo will be on is wedge.org; yours and Arantors site.
You two have to go with what you really like and stick with it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on January 30th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Well, a suggestion that may make things worse rather than better, but... A new poll, with one representative from each of the most recent "family"s of designs (three or four should be easy enough given your output Nao), and then use the result as a jump-off point for further refinement. (And... /me runs away and hides  :ph34r:)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on January 30th, 2012, 08:29 PM
Continue on with the skin and then see what works best. Perhaps inserting what PantsMan said in upper left corner of forum as group display or slideshow for selection purposes?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on January 31st, 2012, 01:11 AM
Whatever you've got going on with the logo right now doesn't work to well for me. If I hover in the "outskirts" of it, it keeps switching back and forth.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 31st, 2012, 06:00 PM
@billy2> Only on this site...? Well, I don't know about that... Our Facebook page, things like that... And anyone wanting to promote us... And whatever marketing material we could come up with.

As for the rest, hmm... Well, yeah, skin first.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on January 31st, 2012, 11:07 PM
Quote from Nao on January 31st, 2012, 06:00 PM
@billy2> Only on this site...? Well, I don't know about that... Our Facebook page, things like that... And anyone wanting to promote us... And whatever marketing material we could come up with.
I know it will be elsewhere Nao....but the point remains ; it's your site, your decision.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 15th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Hey guys... Added 3 more logos to post #907.
Anything catching your attention in that post? Font/color/logo/layout, anything you want to talk about...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on February 15th, 2012, 06:01 PM
Prefer bom1 and bom2 to bom3: something about 3 rubs me up the wrong way, think it's the lack of background on the graphic.

Close run thing between bom1 and bom2, but for me bom1 edges it.

Also, I much prefer the "logo above font" images to the "logo alongside font" images. Really like nwl4 for instance (big fan of darker things against lighter things...)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on February 15th, 2012, 06:02 PM
I missed #907 the first time around >_<

nwl1 seems more in keeping with the main logo in the current sidebar and that's grown on me so I like the image part, but I'm not keen on the font in nwl1-3, nor am I so keen on the triangles in 2 or 3 (but if it was a choice, 2 before 3)

nwl4 I like as a main logo, not so much the font. "All bold capitals" doesn't sit well with me.

nwl5, the capitals aren't as bad this time around, I'm guessing my eyes find the brown tone softer to look at, and there's consistency between the writing and the icon, but the triangles seem kinda vague.

nwl6, I like the fact the text has the colours to match the icon but I'm not liking the gradient behind it.

bom1, I like the logo itself, I like it a lot, but I'm not sold by the text.

bom2, less sold by the icon/logo, text much as before.

bom3, not a huge fan of the bendy triangles, and I'm just reminded of a sandwich toaster with the logo :/
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: TE on February 15th, 2012, 07:13 PM
my favorite is nwl4  :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 15th, 2012, 11:41 PM
No Pete, you didn't miss anything, I simply edited my post over time to add more stuff... nwl4 has been there since day one along with the first three though ;)

Okay, a couple more samples based on feedback.... I still like the green text the best. (Trying with a different font though.)
I think the 8_ logo looks great, as busy as ever though... But with the text outside of it, it works nicely. Perhaps I should try with the 6_ font and the 8_ logo. Not sure about the best font color.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on February 15th, 2012, 11:50 PM
I managed to miss the entire post, I hadn't seen any of them until I posted earlier...

I prefer 8 to 6 in the above.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 16th, 2012, 07:22 PM
In red or green?
And with this font?
I didn't post any logos when I first sent that post, eh. I only edited it a couple of days later...

Posted: February 15th, 2012, 11:59 PM

Added an amusing one with Bebas Neue (the default font in Worg's header, although it's not loaded through a webfont so you'll have to install it on your PC to see it), and an alternative version of the white logo I made yesterday. I went through more tutorials and this is the results of my research. Although it's definitely starting to look like the Nike logo, now that I'm looking at it... :lol:
Posted: February 16th, 2012, 11:06 AM

Added another with a larger Bebas Neue + simplified shape using the recent color set + rounded corners except on the Wedge text corner.

:edit: And another variation... Having fun :)
Posted: February 16th, 2012, 01:27 PM

......Bump, then?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on February 17th, 2012, 02:51 PM
The wedgebomije is nice :)


(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3591;image)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on February 17th, 2012, 03:01 PM
OK, guess it's time to look at these and comment :P

bomi9 and bomiab are nice, no problems with the fonts either (bomiab is better in that respect)

bomibb does give me Nike vibes <_<

bomice, I like the background particularly, I think it works well, but not as well as the shapes in 9 and ab.

The green text doesn't work with the blue background in bomide, and the same thing with the shapes as bomice.

bomige has the same issues with bomide, but with the smaller writing, the impact of the green vs blue is actually somehow more apparent.

I like the contrasting outline in bomihe, but same as previous comments re shapes.

bomiie resolves the issue with the background vs the green writing, but the white feels a bit harsh even compared to the background of the page it's on.

bomije doesn't have the harshness but I think the border gave it something.

As for bomike, I'm not sure about the shapes, the blue looks too insubstantial and like it's out of place.

/meis just fussy. Knows what he likes and doesn't like but can't actually create anything out of it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 17th, 2012, 05:43 PM
Hmm... Let's do it this way:

Try to determine (give me a filename for it) your:

- favorite background (I assume it's the blue one, but most are a bit different from each other, mostly in contrast)
- favorite font
- favorite font color (I assume reddish)
- favorite font position (center, right?)
- favorite logo images (I'm saying images because there are too many to find a good compromise I think :P mi9, mice and mide are the main ones.)
- favorite logo position (well inside the element, or overflowing like in the first couple?)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on February 17th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Well, the current logo in the sidebar and footer works pretty well for me on all counts... :whistle: But if we're going to go through the list...
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favorite background
nwl4 or bomihe
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favorite font
bomiab
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favorite font color
The two-tone in bomiab works for me.
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favorite font position
centered relative to the logo works pretty well for me.
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favorite logo images
Of the logo itself, bomiab, I think is my favourite (and mi9 is just a smaller version, no?)
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favorite logo position
Just overflowing looks good, or nicely inset - either go over the edge or have a decent border, and I think I'd rather have something overflowing.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 20th, 2012, 10:20 PM
Something like this, then, following your remarks..?
(Did the logo a few days ago but forgot to post...)

I think I prefer a 'simpler' logo, myself.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on February 28th, 2012, 03:11 AM
Didn't see this until now >_> bomine is nice, not sure the 'ship' goes with the writing.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 7th, 2012, 04:12 PM
Added simplest75 above. As the name implies... I tried to get rid of everything but the font itself. The logo is now just a little something that can be stripped from the image without hurting it. I also made it more 'dynamic' per se.
(Heck, that's the only logo I like among the dozen of logos I made in the past week without posting any of them.)

Also, I don't think I'll be using Bebas Neue in the final text. Not because of personal taste -- I do love it, but I noticed that it's being used on smcore.org, and I don't want people to think it's a reference :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 7th, 2012, 04:23 PM
It's only in use on smcore.org because the Citiez theme uses it - not because it was smCore's customisation of that theme.

It's a nice enough logo, I guess, but I'm just left with a slightly 'bland' feeling about it :( (Probably not what you wanted to hear.)

I'm actually comfortable enough with the logo currently in use (non hovered) here on wedge.org as it is, don't really feel a need to change it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on March 7th, 2012, 04:58 PM
Quote from Arantor on March 7th, 2012, 04:23 PM
I'm actually comfortable enough with the logo currently in use (non hovered) here on wedge.org as it is, don't really feel a need to change it.
+1
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 7th, 2012, 06:29 PM
Quote from Arantor on March 7th, 2012, 04:23 PM
It's only in use on smcore.org because the Citiez theme uses it - not because it was smCore's customisation of that theme.
It doesn't change the fact that they 'may' want to keep it that way... :P
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It's a nice enough logo, I guess, but I'm just left with a slightly 'bland' feeling about it :( (Probably not what you wanted to hear.)
Nah, it's destined to be bland... Because the blander it is, the lazier people will be to remove it if we ever happen to add it to the main template... :P
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I'm actually comfortable enough with the logo currently in use (non hovered) here on wedge.org as it is, don't really feel a need to change it.
It's always going to be that one eh? Sure it's one of my most popular outputs and I do like it too, but it's what it is -- usable here, in the sidebar, and nowhere else. Can't use it as a footer (see the demo site, it's not exactly readable...), can't use it in horizontal form (signatures etc.)

Here are a few others I was about to post yesterday and forgot to.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on March 7th, 2012, 07:02 PM
Bit slow off the block, but I like the tall lettering on wedgeship 1 & 2.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 7th, 2012, 11:31 PM
We all like it. But it's not the best for readability.
So am I the only one to like the smaller lettering? ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on March 8th, 2012, 10:51 AM
I like the with smaller lettering.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 8th, 2012, 04:15 PM
Let's just see how well/badly it takes if I force it into everyone's signatures... :P

(FWIW, the 'old' sig logo is now at wedgetops.png instead of minilogo.png)
Posted: March 8th, 2012, 11:27 AM

Bump, for Pete to tell me off :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on March 8th, 2012, 04:17 PM
/metitters
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 8th, 2012, 04:18 PM
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Bump, for Pete to tell me off
To that, I simply say: this video(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COYRxf13tIg#)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 8th, 2012, 04:22 PM
I'm the man. I'm the dev.

(Just a funny mockup, wrong colors obviously :p)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 8th, 2012, 04:23 PM
You are, as you say, The Man.

I like that badge too. While I wasn't overly sold on the blue/brown arcs like that, it works.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on March 8th, 2012, 04:58 PM
Quote from Arantor on March 8th, 2012, 04:23 PM
I like that badge too. While I wasn't overly sold on the blue/brown arcs like that, it works.
:cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 8th, 2012, 05:35 PM
So... I think I've found the right balance for badges (although they're probably a bit too bright on windowbg2 but it has to be seen whether it'll be the same on Weaving), what do you think of the new Dev and Friend badges..?
Do they look cool or do they suck? Are they boring, sad, exciting?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 8th, 2012, 05:52 PM
/mewould press the Like button if he had implemented it at this point.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 8th, 2012, 06:45 PM
So... Using these from now on? :)
Posted: March 8th, 2012, 06:27 PM

Updated all badges with the new style.
Not super-happy with Consultant (it lacks a bit of contrast with the background) and Moderator (green is too bright), but I guess nobody would notice without me pointing it out... I can always redo them later, as I've saved all of the needed files.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on March 9th, 2012, 02:34 AM
Can I ask you to make the 'n' in consultant badge black so as to properly spell out the first syllable?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 9th, 2012, 07:05 AM
Really?

Con in English = crook
Con in French = jerk...

I thought co (company, with...) felt better ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on March 9th, 2012, 04:00 PM
Lol, in Spanish "con" means "with" =P Nice badges though, I like them a lot :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 9th, 2012, 04:13 PM
Quote from Dr. Deejay on March 9th, 2012, 04:00 PM
Lol, in Spanish "con" means "with" =P
Si si, lo sabio, pero no voy a la playa con tù, entoncès no givos a shitos :P
Okay, haven't spoken Spanish since 1987 or so. Sue me!
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Nice badges though, I like them a lot :)
Good to know, I need as much feedback as possible... ;)
(Heck, even if it's a comment on the difference between the logo in badges and the logo in signatures, because yes they're slightly different on the left, that would be useful.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 10th, 2012, 01:24 PM
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Okay, haven't spoken Spanish since 1987 or so. Sue me!
I studied it briefly in the 1990s but don't remember very much except my amusement at discovering the word for cupboard is similar to a profanity.
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(Heck, even if it's a comment on the difference between the logo in badges and the logo in signatures, because yes they're slightly different on the left, that would be useful.)
I think it makes a difference having them in use vs having them attached to a thread, really.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 10th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Well at least no one seems to be complaining so far ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on March 13th, 2012, 02:26 PM
Studying Spanish taught me more about English than 12 years of school lessons :)

Are we still talking about the badges? If so then (now I'm used to them) I like them, and I like the two coloured things to the left of the words - kind of like the show-off feathers that some birds have.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 13th, 2012, 07:14 PM
I think we're talking about both, I'm not sure myself... ;)

I'm doing other tests with a similar font that has more... 'peculiarities' of its own. I still like the current one best, though...
As for the logo (the 'two coloured things on the left'), it represents whatever you want it to be -- a rainbow, water/dust in the trail of a text string moving very quickly in your imagination, feathers, wings, a mountain, a random object split in two by a wedge... Whatever suits you best :P

Pete -- looking at your latest commits... Can you confirm that you added no extra strings to the English version? I've checked them all and it looks like it's only about splitting strings into a string + subtext, and you did it all for the French version... (Thankfully :lol:)
Posted: March 13th, 2012, 06:42 PM

(Oh, and the <options> thing is broken... I've fixed it locally. Sorry.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 13th, 2012, 08:40 PM
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Can you confirm that you added no extra strings to the English version? I've checked them all and it looks like it's only about splitting strings into a string + subtext, and you did it all for the French version...
That's correct.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 13th, 2012, 08:42 PM
Good.

Ain't committed my changes yet... Having problems testing my local install on my iPod (dunno why but it no longer recognizes my direct IP, even though I haven't changed anything to the firewall setup and it's a static IP...). Still, I'll be done before tomorrow I think.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 13th, 2012, 10:45 PM
I'm looking forward to it! Meanwhile I'm still working on my changes which are going to clash.

Perhaps I should commit my changes now as the odds are strongly that it'll be easier for you to merge my changes in (as they are right now) rather than the other way around?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 13th, 2012, 10:46 PM
If they're not too many... ^^
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 13th, 2012, 10:48 PM
>_> I just replied on another thread about the scope of changes!

Meh, today has been a grind, need tea and possibly a donut now.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 14th, 2012, 10:27 AM
Quote from Nao on February 20th, 2012, 10:20 PM
Something like this, then, following your remarks..?
(Did the logo a few days ago but forgot to post...)

I think I prefer a 'simpler' logo, myself.
So, I guess the final logo (for now :lol:) is going to be something between the two main directions I went last month...

http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/msg273529/#msg273529

I removed the wedgeship logos from that post, and added variations on the current minilogo. You can see that variants 2 and 3 use a different font (Aller Display(http://www.fontsquirrel.com/utils/font_specimen.php?font=449/AllerDisplay.ttf)) that has more 'life' to it, yet is as neutral as the other font. The only issue I have is that it has strange letters like the 'R' and 'Q'. I'm open to (free) font suggestions, all I require is that they have similar weight and a 'G' that doesn't have the usual horizontal tail.

I need to know what the general thought about logos is.
- Because we need final badges...
- Because we need a final favicon...
- Because we'll probably get more exposure once the demo is online, meaning if we change the logo soon again after that, people will be confused and it'll only hurt our position. (I think.)

The first logo is definitely the 'looker'. There's a good balance in it, but I can hardly find a place where it looks good apart from the footer area, where it is right now in Wedge btw. The second (and third, and fourth) logo, while not as exciting, looks more mature, as in "this is the kind of thing that a company could get away with for decades without feeling out of touch". Which is why it also has my preference.
There are minor differences in the logo itself, you should notice them easily. The last logo (simplest77) is a bit narrower (although it's the same width as simplest75), it no longer looks like a trail of water (simplest76) or whatever, but as it's "squarer", it's probably easier to use in icon material etc. The first two versions are similar but the left side is not at the same angle.

So, please share with me your choices for the demo site!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 14th, 2012, 12:42 PM
simplest76 is what's used for the badges here, yes?

Whatever's being used in the badges currently, go with that.

/mewants to start arranging merch t-shirts ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on March 14th, 2012, 04:56 PM
MERCH!!!!

 :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 14th, 2012, 05:06 PM
Quote from Arantor on March 14th, 2012, 12:42 PM
simplest76 is what's used for the badges here, yes?
Yes.
Quote
Whatever's being used in the badges currently, go with that.
Isn't it too wide..?
I tried doing it as a vertical logo, and here's what I came up with. It looks nice enough. Looking a bit like this one --


(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/915/pub/6271/logo-madness/?action=dlattach;attach=3591;image)


Is that what you want on the shirts? :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 14th, 2012, 05:08 PM
But webelow is structurally what's on the badges so it really should be that! :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 14th, 2012, 05:25 PM
But the badges can be changed to accomodate any changes... ;)
That's the whole point. I got bit in the ass in the past by not keeping all of my assets. Now I have them all, sometimes in double, to give you an idea, my logo folder currently has 958 elements... :P

Added a mockup for a monochrome version of the logo (for use in Wine for instance.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 14th, 2012, 06:47 PM
Bump for opinions on the latest vertical logos!
(I understand your own, Pete, I'm just waiting to see if someone else than us actually cares about all that at this point :P)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on March 14th, 2012, 06:50 PM
There's a difference between webelow3 and 4? I can't see it...

/methinks that most people have just looked at this 64 page thread and gone "WTF" by now :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: U Wish on March 14th, 2012, 06:54 PM
not sure now if you guys should go with more than one wedge image..

wouldn't that become "wedges" or wedgies"??  :hmm:

:angel:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 14th, 2012, 08:21 PM
Quote from Arantor on March 14th, 2012, 06:50 PM
There's a difference between webelow3 and 4? I can't see it...
Just the background color... It's still important.

So... Which is best?

:edit: HA! Updated the poll! :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on March 14th, 2012, 08:38 PM
Quote from Arantor on March 14th, 2012, 06:50 PM
/methinks that most people have just looked at this 64 page thread and gone "WTF" by now :P
65 now
 :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 14th, 2012, 08:56 PM
Also added the full-size logo to the sidebar...
I decided to go for grayscale because a multi-color logo, at this size, just looks a bit silly. And, as the Joker says, Who so silly?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on March 14th, 2012, 09:22 PM
I think the current logo in the sidebar is beautiful :) I don't know why, but it looks very clean to me :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on March 15th, 2012, 12:51 AM
Quote from Dr. Deejay on March 14th, 2012, 09:22 PM
I think the current logo in the sidebar is beautiful :) I don't know why, but it looks very clean to me :)
I agree :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 15th, 2012, 12:58 AM
Bonus: attached the logo I've adopted for the Wine footer. It blends nicely with the... wine color.
I'm working on the Weaving/Warm version, but it's a bit harder to determine the right colors. (And yes, I'm shooting for the same color set as the badges.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 15th, 2012, 07:39 PM
I had a hard, very hard time removing the first logo from the Weaving header. I don't know why. Early on, I was fond of it but I figured it'd be easy to replace it.
Thankfully, the new logo is great too :)
And it seems that everyone agrees. Phew! ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on March 20th, 2012, 10:44 AM
Just for kicks part 7 (or whatever)!

(http://cj-jackson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/wedge-01.png)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 28th, 2012, 11:03 AM
Quote from live627 on March 9th, 2012, 02:34 AM
Can I ask you to make the 'n' in consultant badge black so as to properly spell out the first syllable?
So -- while I redid all the badges to use the new font, I changed Consultant to read 'Consul-tant', which should be nice enough... :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on March 29th, 2012, 01:49 AM
"Consul"? It doesn't fit! Seriously, we're not officials...

Consult-ant
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 29th, 2012, 07:54 AM
If it's a joke, it doesn't make me smile.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on March 29th, 2012, 07:59 AM
No joke.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 29th, 2012, 08:10 AM
When I think of consul, I think of The Consul -- a great character from the Hyperion series of books.
When I think of con/cons, I think of small time crooks.

Did you get bitten by an ambassador's dog or something in your childhood?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on March 29th, 2012, 08:26 AM
Quote from Nao on March 29th, 2012, 08:10 AM
When I think of consul, I think of The Consul -- a great character from the Hyperion series of books.[
Language barrier? A government official of sorts - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consul
Quote
When I think of con/cons, I think of small time crooks.
Same here.
Quote
Did you get bitten by an ambassador's dog or something in your childhood?
What the... are you implying that I don't like dogs?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on March 29th, 2012, 09:48 AM
Just saying I don't see why you desperately want to be seen as a crook more than as a representative entity of Wedge :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on March 29th, 2012, 10:15 AM
Look, when I made that first suggestion, the negative connotation didn't come to mind. Only after you pointed it out did I realise. Now I'm suggesting another alternative. Consult-ant. Does that emphasise a crook?

Screw this. You drive a hard bargain. I'm outta here.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: PantsManUK on March 29th, 2012, 10:34 AM
Quote from Nao on March 14th, 2012, 08:21 PM
So... Which is best?

:edit: HA! Updated the poll! :lol:
Where's the "PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, JUST PICK ONE ALREADY" option in that poll? :eheh:

Placed my vote and discovered I was with the majority (which was nice).
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on April 7th, 2012, 04:16 PM
Continued here.
http://wedge.org/pub/7328/bloc-madness/
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Shawn on April 8th, 2012, 03:15 AM
I like the black one myself :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 3rd, 2012, 07:30 PM
I've updated the minilogo.png file (which is used in many signatures here) to use the final font face (it was close enough, but not the exact one). Also, the logo itself was different from the final one, so I updated it to match the one in our team badges. Finally, I played with font colors. I've settled for an entirely black font for now, because I'm not sure it's that useful to have so many color codes in the logo+font... (at least not when WEDGE is not associated with another word, like in our badge.)

(http://wedge.org/minilogo.png)   -- current one
:edit: removed the old logos.

Opinions? :)
Posted: June 3rd, 2012, 01:25 PM

And by opinion I mean, do you prefer the new one or the alternative (bi-color) one?

:edit: Removed the old logo -- don't want Google to try and index it for too long...
Posted: June 3rd, 2012, 01:35 PM

Bump :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on June 3rd, 2012, 07:34 PM
I like both (hence the like :P) but the single colour writing works better, I think.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on June 3rd, 2012, 08:43 PM
Oh i didn't see the likes ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on June 3rd, 2012, 09:06 PM
I prefer the single color.. :)
Title: Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: Nao on August 25th, 2012, 12:30 AM
Well, right now I'm wondering if the relative success of Wuthering in the poll could be due to my using Segoe UI in it..?
Maybe if I changed it to Arial and I set Segoe UI here, we'd see a vote reversal immediately.

My #1 issue with Segoe is that it looks too Appleish to me these days...  :lol:
Oh, did you see the new Microsoft logo BTW? lol, probably the least innovative logo I've seen in years! Segoe UI + 4 solid color boxes! Woot!
Heck, and *I* am never happy with my logos! I stopped bothering you guys with my new tries, but I've still made tons, especially this week... See my favorite attempt of earlier today. (It's a bit small but I'm too tired to take time to upload a bigger version. It's not like I'm going to use it here anyway...)

:edit: Actually I had one around :P
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: lazyt on August 25th, 2012, 03:53 AM
I like 9.
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: stackmouse on August 25th, 2012, 09:06 AM
Quote from Nao on August 25th, 2012, 12:30 AM
Heck, and *I* am never happy with my logos! I stopped bothering you guys with my new tries, but I've still made tons, especially this week... See my favorite attempt of earlier today.
Damn, that wedgehc100.png looks very nice.
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: godboko71 on August 25th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Neato logo thingy mo bob.
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: Nao on August 25th, 2012, 11:38 PM
Should I make a showndown poll for these two then? :P

(http://wedge.org/pub/smf/6900/more-thoughts-on-smf-2-1/do/dlattach/?attach=3900;image)   (http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/do/dlattach/?attach=3672;image)

I already know the answer, though...!
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: spoogs on August 25th, 2012, 11:39 PM
Sure go for it... my vote is as the one on the right however
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: Arantor on August 25th, 2012, 11:44 PM
I like both but I've become somewhat used to the one on the right.
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: Nao on August 25th, 2012, 11:46 PM
Eh, as I said, I already know the answer :P

:edit:
Main problem with the one on the right is that without the text, there's no association with the word Wedge.
The one on the left implies both 'W' and 'E', depending on the position of your head ;)
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: Farjo on August 26th, 2012, 08:06 PM
Even if someone notices the one on the left's W and E, that doesn't necessarily say "Wedge". For either it's just a question of publicity - a certain tick means Nike, a certain green means Harrods... Give it 6 months and even Amazonian tribes will recognise the one on the right's graphic :eheh:
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: Nao on August 26th, 2012, 10:41 PM
Or maybe they'll recognize the one on the left the same way ;)

I'm still making tests internally. My current version has an additional drop shadow, distorts the lines and is a monochrome logo. It's... Interesting.
Posted: August 26th, 2012, 10:05 PM

My favorite of today's batch... Pretty much what I described above, except without the monochrome aspect.
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: emanuele on August 27th, 2012, 09:20 AM
Quote from Nao on August 25th, 2012, 11:46 PM
Main problem with the one on the right is that without the text, there's no association with the word Wedge.
The one on the left implies both 'W' and 'E', depending on the position of your head ;)
Or "M"...don't know why but "M" is the first letter that comes to my mind when I look at it.
And in terms of color it reminds of: http://socialeyezer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/stumbleupon.jpg (neither a good or a bad thing ;))
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: Nao on August 27th, 2012, 09:28 AM
That logo is too busy for my taste :P

Okay, I've uploaded the latest concept to the homepage and, to my own surprise, it seems to work well... (I'm using the Wine skin, though. Maybe it helps.)
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: agent47 on August 29th, 2012, 02:14 PM
Quote from Nao on August 27th, 2012, 09:28 AM
That logo is too busy for my taste :P

Okay, I've uploaded the latest concept to the homepage and, to my own surprise, it seems to work well... (I'm using the Wine skin, though. Maybe it helps.)
How come I don't notice it? It should be on the header, correct?
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: Nao on August 29th, 2012, 02:55 PM
You have to switch to French to switch the logo. This was an oversight on my part.
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: spoogs on August 29th, 2012, 05:36 PM
Hmmmm maybe I can be swayed to the new logo, looks nice in use :cool:
Title: Re : Re: More thoughts on SMF 2.1
Post by: godboko71 on August 29th, 2012, 08:28 PM
I like the text and logo box on the new logo and it does look very sexy on Wine, and looks nice on Weaving aswell. I like the logo on the English page as well, though think I would like it better if it was laid out more like the new one. Anyway great work on both!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 31st, 2012, 10:18 AM
(Updated the French page logo again... Fixed the small bug in the middle of the W shape, and freed the W from masking, thus covering the Wedge text as well. An interesting result. I should really move this to the Logo madness topic...)
Posted: August 31st, 2012, 10:12 AM

Okay, split the topic...

Oh, interesting layout bug caused by Lorenzo's blurb... Hmm.
It's actually due to his text reaching the internal limit of 255 bytes. Could be fixed either by better cropping or increasing the blurb size. What do you think..?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 31st, 2012, 10:32 AM
Logos...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 31st, 2012, 11:15 AM
This is the same discussion that's been going on for a few days now... I just moved it to the proper place. What's the problem?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on August 31st, 2012, 01:57 PM
I'm officially torn between 4 and 5
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 31st, 2012, 02:19 PM
You don't have to be torn...

1/ Right now, the official logo is the current one (the one in my signature and yours, etc), the other one is just a test.
2/ I'm not going to choose a final logo before the gold release -- and even then, I can always use a new one later. After all, maybe someone will come up with a better one ;)
3/ I only split the topic into this one because it's what we're talking about. Right now we're discussing new logos, we're not trying to determine if the new one is better. (I only added it to the poll for fun, but as you can see I didn't change my vote and I'm not expecting anyone to...)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on August 31st, 2012, 02:24 PM
Is it me? Or is page 40 of this topic screwed?? :wow:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on August 31st, 2012, 02:40 PM
Isn't for me.

Some pages will be screwed if they have MultiformeIngegno's posts on them, though -- I pointed out elsewhere that there was a problem with the hardcoded size of blurb elements that could result in breaking the HTML.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on August 31st, 2012, 03:37 PM
Screwed for me too I noticed it earlier but wasn't in a position to do a screenshot... I really should have taken a full screen shot but it would be really long.

Chrome 21.0.1180.89 m

Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 4th, 2012, 11:53 PM
Never saw that, I'm afraid... Does it still do it?

Oh, BTW, the French version has a new logo. This time it's the monochrome version. I find it... Interesting. I also did a lozenge vesion, it's interesting too, but a bit too busy[1]
 1. It even says "Wedge Forum" instead of the usual "Wedge"... :wow:), I won't bother posting it for now.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on September 5th, 2012, 12:10 AM
Yep still does it, same happened when viewing page 1 of http://wedge.org/out/6786/profile-fields-like-icq-msn-aim-etc/

Me liking that logo more and more each time I look at it :cool: looks nice in monochrome also.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 5th, 2012, 02:19 AM
Quote from spoogs on September 5th, 2012, 12:10 AM
Yep still does it, same happened when viewing page 1 of http://wedge.org/out/6786/profile-fields-like-icq-msn-aim-etc/

Me liking that logo more and more each time I look at it :cool: looks nice in monochrome also.
That page looks so fucked up for me.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 5th, 2012, 04:43 PM
This is exactly what I talked about -- Lorenzo's thought is broken.
As I said, the blurb field is limited to 255 bytes, and thoughts are as well. However, if you start using bbcode and smileys in them, the resulting HTML is stored, not the thought text (to save time processing it), so it may happen that the thought gets broken precisely while inside a HTML tag, which happened here -- and because that tag is never closed, HTML5 layout processing leads to breaking the page as it does.

This is something that can easily be fixed by setting the blurb field to a smallint instead (64KB), but I'm sure Pete has something to say about it ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 6th, 2012, 12:07 AM
A few fun variations I made yesterday and today, sorted from latest to earliest... (One of these is in my sig currently, as can be seen.)
Some logos aren't very readable, sorry about that, didn't really test.
Posted: September 6th, 2012, 12:03 AM

(And I'm not saying they're better than the current ones, either. I do like all of them :P)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on September 6th, 2012, 01:42 AM
weloh looks interesting
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 6th, 2012, 07:13 AM
It's the same as the others, only an horizontal version for sigs ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 6th, 2012, 11:42 AM
Added another one, just in case...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on September 6th, 2012, 01:29 PM
I like oddone (my taste apologises).
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on September 6th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Quote from Farjo on September 6th, 2012, 01:29 PM
I like oddone (my taste apologises).
+1
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 6th, 2012, 02:34 PM
What's odd is that I like it too, considering how cliché it is :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on September 6th, 2012, 02:43 PM
I like oddone and welov5 a lot. They all look great, though. :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dragooon on September 8th, 2012, 12:52 PM
welov6 with the "We" in green instead of blue.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 8th, 2012, 01:10 PM
The blue ain't thrilling, I'll grant you.

Oh, here's another one I made this morning... As you can see, I'm trying to make the W more 'dynamic', more bendy. Colors aren't perfect, they need to be blander I think (rather than complementary), but I like the idea of 4 colors on the logo.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on September 8th, 2012, 01:21 PM
Nice, I like it. :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on September 8th, 2012, 02:36 PM
Yes, weinf.png is nice. To my eyes the others look like an arrow pointing north east with some odd shapes around it, and then I see the 'W'. With weinf.pnd there is no such ambiguity :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 8th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Getting close to something I really, really like...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: CJ Jackson on September 8th, 2012, 06:09 PM
Reminds me of iPhone Apps, I don't know why! :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 8th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Apparently they got the copyright on squares with rounded corners!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dragooon on September 8th, 2012, 07:22 PM
winfinite all the way, hate the damn blue.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on September 8th, 2012, 07:25 PM
I prefer winfinite too, though they both look great.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 9th, 2012, 05:03 PM
What about this? Getting closer...

(http://wedge.org/infbent.png)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on September 9th, 2012, 05:06 PM
That one looks absolutely amazing, I like it a lot. ;D
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dragooon on September 9th, 2012, 07:54 PM
That's a winner :D
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: live627 on September 10th, 2012, 01:37 AM
Quote from Nao on September 9th, 2012, 05:03 PM
What about this? Getting closer...

(http://wedge.org/infbent.png)
Hey, looks nice! I like it :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on September 10th, 2012, 02:13 AM
Quote from Nao on September 9th, 2012, 05:03 PM
What about this? Getting closer...

(http://wedge.org/infbent.png)
Sexy little lady, nice curves and coluor.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 10th, 2012, 02:34 AM
I like it a lot, but in my head I keep hearing this voice from this(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yavK0mnE3wI#)... "BECAUSE I'M BATMAN!" from it. The blue part... because it's Batman.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 10th, 2012, 03:24 PM
So... Click the French flag on the homepage, and you get the very latest variation -- trying out a good ol' humanist lowercase italic, rather than uppercase neo-grotesque. Well, it works great in large format like there, but not as well in small format I'm afraid.
I made the center of the logo a bit less pointy, following a suggestion by a RL friend yesterday. And the right side of the W is slightly modified to be more symetrical with the left part. (I'm doing it manually, so please bear with me...)

Now compare it with the English flag. Do you think it's time to replace the default logo? :)
(Feel free to say 'no', obviously... It's just the homepage logo for now, anyway.)

PS: because I know we're all lazy bastards... :P

(http://wedge.org/w140.png)    (http://wedge.org/w108.png)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 10th, 2012, 04:26 PM
It actually fits in better with the colour scheme in Weaving than the previous iteration does. I'm still having the 'BECAUSE I'M BATMAN' vibe though :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 10th, 2012, 04:32 PM
It doesn't even have blue in it..? The top right corner is gray... (Just do a color peek on it!)

The only issue I have with the new logo is making an exciting favicon for it... But it'll come in time. I'll probably have to use some tricks, though.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 10th, 2012, 04:42 PM
I didn't say it had blue in it. But the grey does look like it's blue-ish. But it does look more consistent with the rest of the elements on the page - even if it doesn't share some of the colours.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on September 10th, 2012, 06:43 PM
The latest one looks good and sits well on the page. I still like the old one but the new one is looking better with every revision.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2012, 12:39 AM
Still haven't found a 'suitable' favicon version (16x16)...
Also, Milady told me she prefers the original logo. Just like her friend told me yesterday... Odd that people IRL are telling me they don't like it -- but they're the only ones! And I like the new one too much to get rid of it. I'm not going to be stopped by the favicon problem either... At worst, I'll just keep both logos. One will be for wedge.org, the other will represent Wedge.
Or something.

PS: I've updated the poll with the latest logo...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on September 11th, 2012, 03:09 AM
I voted for the third one however I like all four. I like the third and fourth best
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on September 11th, 2012, 12:00 PM
I prefer the old one too, because it's original.
Although it looks good, I find a "W" in a logo for Wedge so basic en predictable.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2012, 01:18 PM
But it's recognizable.

For every 'Nike' example I can give, I can find thousands of examples where a company logo is basically the name itself.
I've always been bothered with the logo, not because it's original, but because it's not THAT much original -- heck, it could be seen as a rip-off of the Nike logo after all... Or simply a 'wave', or 'flower petals', etc... Which is valid for everything, because, well, that's basically what I did: I took a bunch of paths and tried to turn them into something recognizable and inducing a sense of dynamism.
Fact is, I learned more about the tools (never stopped learning...), now I've becoming better at handling paths, and I was able to start from a more complex shape -- a W -- and turn it into something I like.

I still haven't managed to make a proper favicon for it, but it doesn't matter that much. I mean, Google's old favicon was horrendous, their new one may be even worse... It's not stopping them from being successful is it?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on September 11th, 2012, 05:19 PM
Quote from Nao on September 11th, 2012, 01:18 PM
But it's recognizable.
That's  true.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on September 11th, 2012, 07:06 PM
"At worst, I'll just keep both logos. One will be for wedge.org, the other will represent Wedge."
Or one for the free version and one for the paid :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 11th, 2012, 07:32 PM
There are no plans for a paid version...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 12th, 2012, 07:36 AM
No more votes?

Are you guys afraid I'll ban you for voting something else than me? :lol:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on September 12th, 2012, 02:16 PM
Just did..> First ones my favourite, coloring does it for me I guess.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 12th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Quote from Oracle on September 12th, 2012, 02:16 PM
Just did..> First ones my favourite, coloring does it for me I guess.
Can you elaborate please?
I'm always interested in knowing what makes people 'tick'.

Here's a variation with a different (rounder) shape and different color for the W. I don't like it as much, it's just that it's still a bit fun.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on September 12th, 2012, 04:49 PM
The first one would be nice, if not for two things;
- the way the upper "wedge shape" comes over the top border of the background doesn't look good to me, it looks like unfinished in a bad way
- the WEDGE text needs a sharper, more defined appearance

The middle one (the new one) is a "meh" for me, but I liked the wedgehc100 (@Reply #982)

The last one of the three is my favourite at the moment. It doesn't beg for attention, but it still gets it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 12th, 2012, 05:42 PM
It's hard to have 'sharp' text when you're trying for a small-size logo, really. It's mostly down to how thick and contrasted the text was in the first place (in its original size.)
The first one was a winner for me, especially in the footer, but when it was increased to large sizes, like the avatar on the Facebook page, it looked so horribly dull and bland, I couldn't go with that... So I went for a black background but then the main shape's colors looked even blander. At least I managed to make the 'right' favicon for it. But the new logo has exactly the reverse problem -- it looks a bit bland in small sizes, and gorgeous in large sizes.
I think I prefer that one situation, because it's more akin to my way of working. ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2012, 09:42 AM
It's hard making the old logo 'fit' into the new canvas...
Here's an example. Compare with the W in the poll just above this post. I think the W works better, although this one does have its nice points as well. What do you think?
(And it works even less in large format.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on September 13th, 2012, 02:19 PM
Oh, that's pretty nice. Then again (as has been proved here before) no one should use me as a judge on these :)

How about giving this one the same strong shadowy borders than the W on the poll version, and stronger colors, it seems a tad light compared to the W version.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Hmm... How 'bout this? It's about 10/20% more of everything you asked for.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: markham on September 13th, 2012, 05:43 PM
Your latest has my vote. It reminds me of Concorde - the finest aircraft ever to take to the skies and the brilliant cooperative effort of Britain and France. Just like Wedge!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 13th, 2012, 05:50 PM
Don't want people thinking that Wedge is prone to crashes :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dr. Deejay on September 13th, 2012, 06:36 PM
Quote from Nao on September 13th, 2012, 05:50 PM
Don't want people thinking that Wedge is prone to crashes :whistle:
LOL :P I like the second one a lot, so I voted for that one. :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dragooon on September 13th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Still prefer the second poll option.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on September 13th, 2012, 07:57 PM
Quote from Nao on September 12th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Quote from Oracle on September 12th, 2012, 02:16 PM
Just did..> First ones my favourite, coloring does it for me I guess.
Can you elaborate please?
I'm always interested in knowing what makes people 'tick'.

Here's a variation with a different (rounder) shape and different color for the W. I don't like it as much, it's just that it's still a bit fun.
Hi Nao,

Logos they’re time consuming, but fun nonetheless. I commented on colouring of option1 logo in latest poll for two reasons.

1.   I believe it’s something the majority of people overlook when dabbling in theme or logo design. It’s every bit as important as the layout itself and has the potential of either encapsulating the whole presentation giving it a CRISP overall look or conversely, to provide ones work with an air of blandness with no appeal @ all.
 
2.    The chosen colours are FLAT first and foremost; they’re bold but not overstated and actually compliment your themes appearance in more ways you could imagine.

The simple white backdrop in my view emphasises the plain or FLAT colours of the image more so than your latest logos, providing the one I have chosen with more presence which is what should be happening. The use of filters is `noise’ and can be done without.

The logo I have selected would work on dark backgrounds as in lower left footer area and equally as well on lighter shades throughout the theme particularly @ the top as a main image. It’s neutral, it’s SIMPLE and as pointed out can be used anywhere even as a background to your favicon BUT without rounded corners. They’re not needed. There seems to be a tendency toward complicating the other examples through use of filters. Keeping it simple through use of plain colouring is subtle but very effective. It also lends itself to reproduction should you require business cards T shirts, whatever -  images would be produced with greater clarity than logos with shades of varying degrees.

Nao How about you install option 1  in all three places favicon,header and footer and see the result? - Not bad eh,  ditch the rounded corners in favicon though. Plain colours on white right!

As for the newest creation I’m not a fan of it tbh. Just not fond of the styling or the W the way it is although it is more synonymous of the wedge brand than the one we’re discussing. Maybe truncated W is the answer? Viz...   \|/ Wedge...Simple remember!

The issue I had with my preferred logo was that the two wedge type images above the text didn’t really capitalize enough on the Wedge name. It somehow got lost in the translation but if you were searching for a more abstract feel that s entirely your prerogative. Maybe I’m wrong and abstract was the way to go?
 
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on September 13th, 2012, 09:53 PM
Quote from Nao on September 13th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Hmm... How 'bout this? It's about 10/20% more of everything you asked for.
That one is a beauty.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 17th, 2012, 12:26 PM
So... And mostly because the community is divided between the two logos... I gave it my best and made a new one.
This is a mix between the first logo's shape and the second logo's colors/style. It's now the default on the English homepage (although I can always come back to the old one.) I'm reproducing it below, between its parents:

(http://wedge.org/w140.png)   (http://wedge.org/w121.png)     (http://wedge.org/w108.png)

What do you think? (New font, too... I pretty much went through all of my collection and tried everything again until I found an italic variation that worked well, i.e. had something interesting like, in this case, the 'w'.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 17th, 2012, 12:40 PM
Any of them would work, but I think the leftmost one is easiest on the eyes.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 17th, 2012, 12:49 PM
Well, that logo is going away anyway, 3 votes weren't enough and the colors for the logo shape were probably too dark.

(4 votes now, but where were you when I asked for opinions :P)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: billy2 on September 17th, 2012, 01:59 PM
Middle one all the way Nao, (if you are doing away with the one I voted for).
I dont like the 'W' font - it looks like a feminine hygene logo or a bow. But I do like the graphic.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on September 17th, 2012, 02:55 PM
I like the blue and brown of the 'stripes' in the first, and the new-style W of the third has really grown on me.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 17th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Quote from Nao on September 17th, 2012, 12:49 PM
(4 votes now, but where were you when I asked for opinions :P)
Which time?

I feel I've voted in this thread so many times now... ;P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on September 17th, 2012, 06:07 PM
The middle one for me too!

The one on the left is too dark for my liking, and the 'w' one, ever since Pete mentioned Batman, that's all I see!! :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 17th, 2012, 06:28 PM
What, you don't like Batman? :P

And the middle one has the same colors :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on September 17th, 2012, 06:30 PM
It's not about not liking Batman,[1] it's just that what has been seen, cannot be unseen. ;)

I like them all.
 1. BECAUSE I'M BATMAN.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: stackmouse on September 17th, 2012, 07:40 PM
The new font works well with the middle one. I really can't choose from the two at the moment. The new one looks better here, but the dark wedge might be better in other environments.

Tought one, but I'm not changing my vote :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 17th, 2012, 07:45 PM
I already have a dark version under the hand, you know ;)
As for the font, I could also change the color, or put it on a white background.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on September 17th, 2012, 08:46 PM
Firstly for a proper poll comparison might I suggest you display ALL logos the same size.

Also - In your latest effort, ( Looking good in wine ) identical font and sizing as the W styled one would be nice as it is more pronounced. Maybe slightly more separation between the image and font as well.

Generally speaking I find the wedge lettering in all examples is too small in comparison to the image, theres not enough balance. - I know what your going to say about that. My answer....

Might have to stretch the wedges or reduce to accomodate!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on September 17th, 2012, 09:12 PM
(http://wedge.org/w121.png)

I like this one!

and

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/do/dlattach/?attach=3943;image)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dragooon on September 18th, 2012, 09:17 AM
W one all the way
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 18th, 2012, 03:53 PM
Headaches, headaches... I'm seriously at a loss. I think I should be making different polls for the logo shape, the font face, and general color sets.

Just look at this, for instance. I've made a custom version of the 'old' minilogos with the new font. Do you like the older one (Aller Display) or newer one (Sansation Italics) best?
(The dark one is exactly the same size as the footer version. The light one is a bit bigger, and I added a touch of a gradient to make it less dull. It works quite better although I've grown tired of the color blue in there.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on September 18th, 2012, 05:36 PM
In the graphic all is roundish and the old font had straight lines. I think Sansation Italics fits better.

My English isn't good enough to explain it better. Sorry
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on September 18th, 2012, 06:47 PM
Quote from Nao on September 18th, 2012, 03:53 PM
Headaches, headaches... I'm seriously at a loss. I think I should be making different polls for the logo shape, the font face, and general color sets.

Just look at this, for instance. I've made a custom version of the 'old' minilogos with the new font. Do you like the older one (Aller Display) or newer one (Sansation Italics) best?
(The dark one is exactly the same size as the footer version. The light one is a bit bigger, and I added a touch of a gradient to make it less dull. It works quite better although I've grown tired of the color blue in there.)
Nyrrr...Ditch the Sansation and use the typeface similar to Eras as used in W logo. It will match what you have done in the Warm skin. A tad more vertical spacing between logo and wedge lettering.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 18th, 2012, 08:01 PM
So guys... Let me guess: we're always going to have 50% of believers and 50% non-believers, no matter what the subject, precisely because beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and thus design is a very subjective matter :P

Anyway, I tried bolding out the wedge font (it doesn't exist in Sansation so I had to turn it into outlines and offset the path, which works well enough), and modified the 'w' to make the middle line less prominent, although I'm not sure this one's for the best.
Don't mind about the logo's color, I made some tests and saved the wrong one.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 18th, 2012, 08:28 PM
Just be the auteur Nao. We already know you know your way around this, and honestly I'd rather have what you chose than what 50%+ of the worlds population would choose when it comes to logos.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 20th, 2012, 03:47 PM
What do you think of this variation...? (Comes with two examples: a footer version I carefully built, and a homepage logo I quickly made without changing the background colors.)
I tried to simplify the W by simply taking it off the Sansation set -- a feeling of unity is in order.
And yes, I've finally found the way to make the small print readable... It wasn't a matter of size, rather simply a matter of spacing between letters. Ah ah, sometimes I'm a noob at this.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Drunken Clam on September 20th, 2012, 05:58 PM
Boobies!! :ph34r: :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 20th, 2012, 06:10 PM
You've never seen a naked woman before have you? :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on September 20th, 2012, 07:56 PM
Don't like them much (I mean, the logos).. :whistle: :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 20th, 2012, 10:16 PM
And this? Hmm no better...

The more I do logos, the less they're like.

In two weeks time I'll be going back to my very first ugly ones...! We'll see then :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on September 21st, 2012, 12:12 AM
It looks like balls.

Sorry, sorry, the comments on the last page gave me dirty thoughts.

Anyway I liked the last batch better.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Dragooon on September 21st, 2012, 07:30 AM
Still going to stick with W one in poll.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on September 22nd, 2012, 11:46 AM
Footer version of the W one... And alternative version of the popular one, using the last footer's color/style.
Posted: September 21st, 2012, 09:34 AM

Alternative bright version... Doesn't work well on this background.
Posted: September 22nd, 2012, 11:38 AM

Updated homepage logo to stop having the text stuck to the square...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 28th, 2012, 07:14 PM
We never really got to settle on a font...

What do you prefer between these two fonts? Please, only tell me about the font, not the logo itself :)

Aller Display -> (http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/do/dlattach/?attach=3672;image)

Sansation -> See previous post!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on October 28th, 2012, 08:02 PM
Aller Display for me - it's the W that puts me off Sansation.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on October 28th, 2012, 08:09 PM
^^ This.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 29th, 2012, 07:50 AM
And the W is the main highlight of Sansation IMHO ;)
Although I could modify it to have one of its branches invisible or something.

Okay, so... Should I be going for these? Or those?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on October 29th, 2012, 08:54 AM
Last 2 :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on October 29th, 2012, 10:53 AM
First two.
The flowing / curved lines of that font match the flowing / curved lines of the graphic better.

In the last two it's a mix of flowing / curved lines (graphics) with straight / angeled lines (the font) giving the impression there's no concept behind. Do we go for a business appearance or not?
Well let's compromise and everybody is happy.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 29th, 2012, 09:49 PM
Quote from Johnny54 on October 29th, 2012, 10:53 AM
First two.
The flowing / curved lines of that font match the flowing / curved lines of the graphic better.
See, that may be the reason why I unconsciously like the first set better... Although it can be argued that readability is better on the second set (because the type is bolder.)
Quote
In the last two it's a mix of flowing / curved lines (graphics) with straight / angeled lines (the font) giving the impression there's no concept behind. Do we go for a business appearance or not?
Depends...

(http://www.nike.com/content/dam/one-nike/en_us/season-2012-su/Touts/Sportswear/Social/Women/OneNike-NSW-FollowUs-NikeSportswear-Orange.jpg.dimg/80x80q80.jpeg)

Logo is a bit in the spirit of Wedge's. Font is angled. Can't accuse them of not being 'business-like'... ;)
Quote
Well let's compromise and everybody is happy.
Compromise where..?

Or, is this one 'rounder' for you..?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on October 29th, 2012, 10:16 PM
I like the first two better, flows better I guess, though I like the second set just as well.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Johnny54 on October 30th, 2012, 10:18 PM
Quote
Do we go for a business appearance or not?
Well let's compromise and everybody is happy.
These two sentences really belong together.
The first sentences as something you ask yourself and the second as the answer you gave yourself.
Meaning see the last two as a compromise between both directions.

In the Nike logo the angeled font makes it a bit less harsh and the graphics part is small in comparison with the total logo and it is a integral part of the logo.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on October 30th, 2012, 10:29 PM
I still don't get it...
Posted: October 30th, 2012, 10:25 PM

NB: I've reset the poll. Let's focus on the font right now. I'd post larger thumbnails for your convenience, but that's precisely it -- I'm looking for opinions on the font when it's really downsized a lot.
I'm allowing for 2 votes out of 3 options, in case you really don't know which one you like best, and just want to eliminate the one you like the least. If you have a favorite, of course just vote for it and only for it ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Norodo on October 31st, 2012, 12:24 AM
Top one still looks like boobs.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 8th, 2012, 09:38 AM
Ah, don't get me started on that...
Posted: October 31st, 2012, 06:57 AM

So... A bit of an update.

- After about a week, results were 8/11/5, so I've removed the last font which had 'only' 5 votes. The only person who voted only for the last one is Alanthar, so I'm inviting you to choose between the two remaining fonts now.

- I've replaced the small fonts with bigger versions. I tend to see the second font as the better one in small format because it's more readable, and the first font as the better one in large format because it's more lively. Votes aren't reset, you're free to keep your current vote as it is!

- I've added two more fonts that are of the 'very common' kind. I like common fonts because they feel natural to people :P You can vote for up to 3 fonts, I'll reduce the number afterwards. Hopefully faster than in the first batch. Say, in a couple of days.

- And you're also free to suggest any font I could have missed!

PS: And you're free not to participate in these polls if you don't care. :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 16th, 2012, 08:23 AM
Bump, fishing for more votes as this topic is now hidden in the mass. ;)

Bloc, I think you did vote at some point. Did you remove your vote or is it a bug due to my modifying the poll midway through it? (there IS a bug at least when it comes to positioning poll items.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: colby67 on November 16th, 2012, 06:45 PM
I did, but it vanished so it might be a bug there. Can't remember what I voted before lol,, but I like the current number 3. It just feels more balanced than the others, although there are little difference between them - save the font/style.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 17th, 2012, 12:28 AM
I'm really upset about that bug.

Although maybe last time you voted for the 3rd one, the one I removed in the meantime and replaced with the new #3 and #4...? In which case it'd make sense that your vote got removed.

The font/style is supposed to be the only difference between all these choices. Basically, the logo, square, colors etc. are pretty much final at this point, at least for the footer logo. I'm keeping my options open when it comes to the homepage logo...

Looks like the 2nd logo font is still the popular one, doesn't it?
Well, at least it looks good in small sizes ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: colby67 on November 17th, 2012, 04:33 PM
It does.

I like the "wamer" feeling of lowercase here..if that makes sense. Could be that when I first saw the logo last year(?) it was using lower-case and it just felt right for wedge when i dabbled with it too. Uppercase seemed so bombastic and still does I guess.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on November 28th, 2012, 11:23 AM
Quote from Bloc on November 17th, 2012, 04:33 PM
It does.

I like the "wamer" feeling of lowercase here..if that makes sense. Could be that when I first saw the logo last year(?) it was using lower-case and it just felt right for wedge when i dabbled with it too. Uppercase seemed so bombastic and still does I guess.
It totally makes sense...
Which reminds me, I had a logo under the hand which I liked, but felt it was too barebones... I had a quick look at it again, and thought, 'barebones? well that isn't a bad thing now is it..?'

So, you decide :) I'm not a huge fan, but I like it enough to think there might be potential once it's tweaked enough. If you're interested, I can also attach the original logo file for you to play with.

Watching it again also made me realize it looks a bit like the amazon logo, but it doesn't have the same history at all, so it's just a coincidence. :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 12th, 2012, 01:07 PM
Bump for the logo above... Right or wrong track?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on December 12th, 2012, 01:39 PM
The lettering is fine, if a bit bland; the tail of the g is nice, but I'm not entirely sure about it.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: spoogs on December 12th, 2012, 06:16 PM
Not really feeling that one Nao.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 12th, 2012, 10:06 PM
I personally like it because it's a throw back to the old logos... And it's simple enough to warrant not having to bother too much about details.

Here are a couple of variations... Different fonts, different colors. Second one isn't too good, was looking for a color replacement, but the font may be too light. As for the first... It's actually my original idea, which I then later tried to simplify even more. Works best when shown with a large border on its left, of course...
Posted: December 12th, 2012, 06:39 PM

Posting smaller version... with a border.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 12th, 2012, 10:37 PM
I think I prefer the first version I posted a few weeks ago, lol... ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Farjo on December 13th, 2012, 10:42 AM
I like the original, and the red-on-black one. The thing you've done with the g is nice however to me it looks a bit like the nike tick.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 14th, 2012, 11:05 AM
The Nike tick is not something that comes to mind.... It's thinner than my own tick, to begin with. And my 'tick' is actually a wedge, mind you :P They don't own the 'deformed triangle' shape, do they? ;)

Here's another test with a larger wedge and a small solid white halo around the logo...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Powerbob on December 14th, 2012, 03:08 PM
Quote from Farjo on December 13th, 2012, 10:42 AM
I like the original, and the red-on-black one. The thing you've done with the g is nice however to me it looks a bit like the nike tick.
+1 :cool:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 15th, 2012, 08:25 PM
Is the shape too big? Or it's just about the colors?
There's an infinity of possibilities... Just look at this, took less than two minutes to do. :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on December 15th, 2012, 08:37 PM
I don't think it's about the size or the colours, it's simply that it is just too reminiscent of the Nike swish and there's not a lot you can do about that without changing the fundamental idea.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 16th, 2012, 12:14 AM
What about the amazon logo?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on December 16th, 2012, 12:15 AM
I gotta say that the Nike logo came to mind long before you mentioned Amazon - I can see the similarity but it's still more Nike than Amazon.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 16th, 2012, 12:18 AM
So if i changed it to an Amazon logo ripoff that'd be better? :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Arantor on December 16th, 2012, 12:21 AM
Not really :P

Seriously, I'm not saying it would be better or worse, just that as it stands I'm reminded strongly of Nike, and vaguely (when prompted) of Amazon, not of anything forum related.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 16th, 2012, 02:08 PM
It's not supposed to make you think of a forum, rather of a wedge... Don't lose it :whistle:
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on December 22nd, 2012, 11:09 PM
Just in case, I've added the latest option to the poll, you can still vote for 3 items or less, but I doubt the current leader will be any different in a few days... So I guess we're staying with the uppercase version for now ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on April 15th, 2013, 12:13 AM
Nao,

Figured I'd throw my hat in the ring > Had some spare time on my hands and came up with this...
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on April 15th, 2013, 08:01 AM
Nice logo! The font not my cup of tea though.

Nevertheless, I doubt this will gather enough interest compared to the consensual current default so I won't add it to the poll.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on April 15th, 2013, 11:19 AM
No matter, I'm quite fond of it though.

If you look closely @ the letter "E" it kind of resembled a fork to me so thought it would be appropriate. If anything the logo colouring slots in nicely with the rest of the site > Quite striking I thought. The emblem in the logo was derived from one of the other fonts I toyed with. After some nifty manoeuvres the "W" emerged.

Ho hum back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: agent47 on April 15th, 2013, 11:24 AM
Nao, if you don't mind giving me a couple of the fonts you've used on the above logos so I can try working on a few myself.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on April 15th, 2013, 11:59 AM
@Oracle> I also played with the fact that 'W' and 'E' are similar in shape, but the results weren't particularly interesting. Well, I've made plenty of logos I find better than the current one, but that's the thing, it's something so frontal, it needs to be liked by most.

@agent47> Aller Display, Segoe UI, Helvetica (various types, such as LT or Neue...), and Sansation. I think these are all the ones used in the logos in the poll. Lato, Lobster, Meta, TheSans, Tin Doghouse, theeeese are a few of my faaaaavorite thiiiings... Errr, a few of my 'sanctioned' fonts, for attempts at doing a Wedge logo.
Not that you can't use another font... It's just that I've always wanted a 'professional' looking font.

I haven't worked on the logo for the last few months though. I lost interest, I guess, mostly after everyone else did the same... ;)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: godboko71 on April 16th, 2013, 04:58 AM
Quote from Oracle on April 15th, 2013, 12:13 AM
Nao,

Figured I'd throw my hat in the ring > Had some spare time on my hands and came up with this...
Design might be kinda neat on a shirt.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 18th, 2014, 08:19 PM
Old madness is fun!
It's been some time (soon after Pete left the project) that the wedge.org homepage has been using my personal favorite logo. I know it's not the most popular option, but I wanted to know if anyone (especially the new users here) had anything to say. I haven't tried making a new logo in nearly a year, and I'm not sure I'd be able to do better than what I did so far.
So, between these two logos, should I go for my favorite, or for the user favorite..?

(http://wedge.org/font1.png)

(http://wedge.org/wedge.png)

Or maybe one of my older ones..?

(http://wedge.org/w108.png) (same, different font)

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/do/dlattach/?attach=3601)

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/do/dlattach/?attach=3900)

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/do/dlattach/?attach=3899)

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/do/dlattach/?attach=3902)

(http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/do/dlattach/?attach=3928)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: kimikelku on January 18th, 2014, 09:17 PM
The one that is being use is pretty good,
i think this one
(http://wedge.org/font1.png)
Should be use maybe for credits only, since it looks like a badge
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Aaron Smith on January 19th, 2014, 08:39 AM
I like the second one.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on January 19th, 2014, 10:29 AM
Nao, Just a suggestion...Why the restriction?

Wouldn't it be better if we had a competition of sorts...most favoured option gets the nod. I'm talking main logo here.

As for font in above poll I prefer the third option due to clean lines and the fact it blends in with content more readily. If you stick with sepia style badge perhaps not truncating the wedge emblem would be the go. ie Image not chopped. In fact why not use same font as main wedge header above now that looks real neat!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 19th, 2014, 11:40 AM
It's always back to this for me: simplicity vs beauty...
Beauty works best on huge logos, such as on the homepage, or the github account.
Simplicity is better most everywhere else.
But I've never been able to find a logo that works in both large and small sizes. Not fun... ;)

Anyway, logo choice isn't gonna delay anything else, it's just the kind of thing I like coming back to, from time to time.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 26th, 2014, 08:39 PM
How about... This one? :)
I made it small so as to intrigue you... :P
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on January 26th, 2014, 10:16 PM
Uhm, I like the actual one more. :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Oracle on January 27th, 2014, 12:44 AM
Quote from Nao on January 26th, 2014, 08:39 PM
How about... This one? :)
I made it small so as to intrigue you... :P
Nyerrrrr????

Nao,

As always, whatever I create in the way of a logo is yours exclusively to use as you see fit.

I can see you require something in the way of a main logo which would signify your Wedge project in its entirety, incorporating an image that is able to be enlarged or minimized with optimum resolution for all uses including a favicon of say 24px.

If you consider the avatar I'm currently using, - it incorporates all elements you require for your site.

1. Leaving the wedge header as is. > My avatar has matching wedge font injected with some tasteful pizaz
2. The main logo would be as I have prepared. - The "W" FYI was created to resemble a weaving pattern to signify your aspirations of weaving communities etc. Its fresh,bold, simple and able to be dismantled in the following way.
3. Instead of coming up with an entirely new logo for footer area as you have done, you would simply use the black button with white "W" on its own reduced to the appropriate size.
4. The favicon itself would be the same image as in point 3 but 18px

All in all you'd end up with an entirely cohesive approach to the presentation of your site which I believe just isn't quite there @ present.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on January 27th, 2014, 08:44 AM
Nah.
Sorry to dismiss it like that. It just doesn't strike me as usable.

So what do you guys not like in this small logo? The symbol? Its color? The Lobster font? (Overused? Never bothered Helvetica) its color?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 12th, 2014, 04:06 PM
A few months ago, I posted two logos on a private topic, I'm not posting the direct link because I don't like Google attempting to follow non-followable links. (Type a slash and then ?msg=291216 after wedge.org, and you should reach the page.)

This wasn't the right place to post them, and they're not accessible to 'regular members' (sorry), but I got some positive feedback on them and I put them aside because I was busy on other things.

Then I remembered the tests, and I did some extra work on them.
The result is at https://github.com/Wedge/, where you can see a higher res version of the one I'm thinking of using.
(http://wedge.org/lo64.png)
I also have alternative versions, like these:

(http://wedge.org/altlo.png) (http://wedge.org/altfr.png)

Do you find any of these to be worth it..? I like their simplicity, really. I also like my fixed Lobster font. My original attempts with this (rather ubiquitous) font were a failure mostly because I used an earlier version of the font, and the new version has better weights, with thinner vertical lines. The handwritten aspect compensates fairly for the guttural sound of the 'Wedge' name. I think it also works better in a wider variety of forum footers (unless maybe on a hard-rock oriented forum... Well, even then :P)

My only issue with simplicity is that it doesn't catch attention as much as the current official logo, of course. (The one on the wedge.org homepage.) But I like it at least more than the current footer logos.
Also, a few days ago I replaced the badges with simpler, more discrete versions based on this new logo. I think they're so discrete, nobody noticed them, but at least it's more in line with the Wilde style... :lol:

So, I'm now officially fishing for opinions...! (For those new to this topic: don't bother with the poll, it's old and outdated.)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: agent47 on February 12th, 2014, 05:07 PM
Wow, @Nao, I really really like the new ones. The colors are spectacular; they really stand out and give life to the logo. I don't know about the rest but I find it extremely elegant.

@Oracle, why not try to keep it simple? Find a unique but simple font, choose the right colors and you can nail it. Your designs are too funky. For Wedge you've got to try to keep it as professional as possible.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 13th, 2014, 12:07 AM
Really like them too of course, but I've gotten use to resilience from my user base when it comes to simpler logos... I'm part of these, too, but I'm really convinced I should get rid of the Aller Display font for the Wedge logo. (Of course, everyone feel free to keep using it in your sigs or whatever, I really don't mind that Wedge has multiple visual identities, because it's kept evolving over the years anyway... The first logos really sucked with their use of the Kaffeesatz font or something, it's funny that one of my recent tests used François One which is a similar looking font... :lol:)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Xarcell on February 13th, 2014, 02:46 AM
I usually take branding pretty serious. When my clients come to me, I always request a business plan(which always includes branding info). This helps not only you, but those trying to help you, and fans of your brand. Of course, branding can change from year to year, but you don't need multiple flying about at one time. SMF has wasted a bit of my time because they don't have any branding information available. I'm not saying it's their fault, but I was just trying to help.

By having proper branding, it helps you, and those trying to help you.

In this post: In this post: http://wedge.org/pub/6271/logo-madness/msg293950/#msg293950
I like the first one of the three you posted. Although I have to ask, do you intend to use that shade of purple in your default theme design? You should, and if you are not planning on it, then it should be changed.

In the poll, I like the fourth one the best. Since Wedge has been around, I've always imagined wedge in earth tones. I actually like the logo at the bottom of this page best of all.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Xarcell on February 13th, 2014, 02:48 AM
Quote from Nao on January 26th, 2014, 08:39 PM
How about... This one? :)
I made it small so as to intrigue you... :P
I actually like that one too, kinda looks like an green apple slice.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: agent47 on February 13th, 2014, 05:01 AM
@Nao, please send me a bigger version of the purple wedge.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 13th, 2014, 07:46 AM
Well it's on github... ;) as indicated.
Since it's a gravatar you can easily increase its size by changing a param in the link. Original was 1770px in width or something.
I'll repost it if you want later.
Posted: February 13th, 2014, 07:35 AM

@Xarcell I don't know what you're asking about. Purple? Yes? What?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on February 13th, 2014, 09:22 AM
Aren't these vectorial?
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: agent47 on February 13th, 2014, 11:30 AM
Yes, please send it to me 'cause I don't know in which directory exactly it's located. Or if you just told me which directory I can find it in, I'd grab it myself.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 13th, 2014, 02:21 PM
No, my vector files aren't in any folder, I never posted them anywhere...
Yes Lorenzo, all of my logos since July 2011 were done with vector graphics exclusively. Sometimes, I made some tweaks to the PNG versions, but that was mostly because I didn't know how to do them in vector. Last versions had files in the vicinity of 2MB, they were getting slow to load and edit... Latest logo was remade nearly from scratch, with the purple part being redone with points rather than multiple transforms.
I'm attaching it if you want.

Also, for fun, one of my first vector logos, the file is dated from September 9, 2011.
Funny! And not bad altogether (although it was made for a dark background; I had other files for a white background, but they don't use the Helvetica font.)[1]
It was probably posted before in this topic, around that date.
 1. Just right click this message, Inspect Element, and add style="background: black" manually to it!
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: agent47 on February 14th, 2014, 10:13 AM
@Nao, I don't have Adobe Illustrator installed. Just send me the biggest version of the image that's on the footer of this site.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on February 14th, 2014, 10:34 AM
Use Inkscape.. :)
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 14th, 2014, 11:21 AM
Here's an Inkscape-compatible SVG version.
You'll notice that it's actually only 10KB (and 2.7KB gzipped), making it a very worthy image to use on mobile devices, I guess...
I actually worked on adding SVG support to data URI embedding last night. It's working fine, but only if I embed it in base64, even though it's supposed to work in plain text mode. And embedding a svgz file wasn't working either, but at least that particular 'bug' is documented.

And a PNG version, but meh... Too big! Click the thumbnail to get a cool animation with the full version.
Title: Re: Logo Madness
Post by: Nao on February 15th, 2014, 08:46 AM
Bump for Xarcell (you have yet to explain yourself).